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TimDoolan
11-17-2007, 02:19 PM
As a criminal justice major this story interests me. Any thoughts?

His name was Josh Evans. He was 16 years old. And he was hot.

"Mom! Mom! Mom! Look at him!" Tina Meier recalls her daughter saying.

Josh had contacted Megan Meier through her MySpace page and wanted to be added as a friend.Yes, he's cute, Tina Meier told her daughter. "Do you know who he is?"

"No, but look at him! He's hot! Please, please, can I add him?"

Mom said yes. And for six weeks Megan and Josh - under Tina's watchful eye - became acquainted in the virtual world of MySpace.

Josh said he was born in Florida and recently had moved to O'Fallon. He was homeschooled. He played the guitar and drums.

He was from a broken home: "when i was 7 my dad left me and my mom and my older brother and my newborn brother 3 boys god i know poor mom yeah she had such a hard time when we were younger finding work to pay for us after he loeft."

As for 13-year-old Megan, of Dardenne Prairie, this is how she expressed who she was:

M is for Modern

E is for Enthusiastic

G is for Goofy

A is for Alluring

N is for Neglected.

She loved swimming, boating, fishing, dogs, rap music and boys. But her life had not always been easy, her mother says.

She was heavy and for years had tried to lose weight. She had attention deficit disorder and battled depression. Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist.

But things were going exceptionally well. She had shed 20 pounds, getting down to 175. She was 5 foot 5½ inches tall.

She had just started eighth grade at a new school, Immaculate Conception, in Dardenne Prairie, where she was on the volleyball team. She had attended Fort Zumwalt public schools before that.

Amid all these positives, Tina says, her daughter decided to end a friendship with a girlfriend who lived down the street from them. The girls had spent much of seventh grade alternating between being friends and, the next day, not being friends, Tina says.

Part of the reason for Megan's rosy outlook was Josh, Tina says. After school, Megan would rush to the computer.

"Megan had a lifelong struggle with weight and self-esteem," Tina says. "And now she finally had a boy who she thought really thought she was pretty."

It did seem odd, Tina says, that Josh never asked for Megan's phone number. And when Megan asked for his, she says, Josh said he didn't have a cell and his mother did not yet have a landline.

And then on Sunday, Oct. 15, 2006, Megan received a puzzling and disturbing message from Josh. Tina recalls that it said: "I don't know if I want to be friends with you anymore because I've heard that you are not very nice to your friends."

Frantic, Megan shot back: "What are you talking about?"

SHADOWY CYBERSPACE

Tina Meier was wary of the cyber-world of MySpace and its 70 million users. People are not always who they say they are.

Tina knew firsthand. Megan and the girl down the block, the former friend, once had created a fake MySpace account, using the photo of a good-looking girl as a way to talk to boys online, Tina says. When Tina found out, she ended Megan's access.

MySpace has rules. A lot of them. There are nine pages of terms and conditions. The long list of prohibited content includes sexual material. And users must be at least 14.

"Are you joking?" Tina asks. "There are fifth-grade girls who have MySpace accounts."

As for sexual content, Tina says, most parents have no clue how much there is. And Megan wasn't 14 when she opened her account. To join, you are asked your age but there is no check. The accounts are free.

As Megan's 14th birthday approached, she pleaded for her mom to give her another chance on MySpace, and Tina relented.

She told Megan she would be all over this account, monitoring it. Megan didn't always make good choices because of her ADD, Tina says. And this time, Megan's page would be set to private and only Mom and Dad would have the password.

'GOD-AWFUL FEELING'

Monday, Oct. 16, 2006, was a rainy, bleak day. At school, Megan had handed out invitations to her upcoming birthday party and when she got home she asked her mother to log on to MySpace to see if Josh had responded.

Why did he suddenly think she was mean? Who had he been talking to?

Tina signed on. But she was in a hurry. She had to take her younger daughter, Allison, to the orthodontist.

Before Tina could get out the door it was clear Megan was upset. Josh still was sending troubling messages. And he apparently had shared some of Megan's messages with others.

Tina recalled telling Megan to sign off.

"I will Mom," Megan said. "Let me finish up."

Tina was pressed for time. She had to go. But once at the orthodontist's office she called Megan: Did you sign off?

"No, Mom. They are all being so mean to me."

"You are not listening to me, Megan! Sign off, now!"

Fifteen minutes later, Megan called her mother. By now Megan was in tears.

"They are posting bulletins about me." A bulletin is like a survey. "Megan Meier is a slut. Megan Meier is fat."

Megan was sobbing hysterically. Tina was furious that she had not signed off.

Once Tina returned home she rushed into the basement where the computer was. Tina was shocked at the vulgar language her daughter was firing back at people.

"I am so aggravated at you for doing this!" she told Megan.

Megan ran from the computer and left, but not without first telling Tina, "You're supposed to be my mom! You're supposed to be on my side!"

On the stairway leading to her second-story bedroom, Megan ran into her father, Ron.

"I grabbed her as she tried to go by," Ron says. "She told me that some kids were saying horrible stuff about her and she didn't understand why. I told her it's OK. I told her that they obviously don't know her. And that it would be fine."

Megan went to her room and Ron went downstairs to the kitchen, where he and Tina talked about what had happened, the MySpace account, and made dinner.

Twenty minutes later, Tina suddenly froze in mid-sentence.

"I had this God-awful feeling and I ran up into her room and she had hung herself in the closet."

Megan Taylor Meier died the next day, three weeks before her 14th birthday.

Later that day, Ron opened his daughter's MySpace account and viewed what he believes to be the final message Megan saw - one the FBI would be unable to retrieve from the hard drive.

It was from Josh and, according to Ron's best recollection, it said, "Everybody in O'Fallon knows how you are. You are a bad person and everybody hates you. Have a ****ty rest of your life. The world would be a better place without you."

BEYOND GRIEF INTO FURY

Tina and Ron saw a grief counselor. Tina went to a couple of Parents After Loss of Suicide meetings, as well.

They tried to message Josh Evans, to let him know the deadly power of mean words. But his MySpace account had been deleted.

The day after Megan's death, they went down the street to comfort the family of the girl who had once been Megan's friend. They let the girl and her family know that although she and Megan had their ups and down, Megan valued her friendship.

They also attended the girl's birthday party, although Ron had to leave when it came time to sing "Happy Birthday." The Meiers went to the father's 50th birthday celebration. In addition, the Meiers stored a foosball table, a Christmas gift, for that family.

Six weeks after Megan died, on a Saturday morning, a neighbor down the street, a different neighbor, one they didn't know well, called and insisted that they meet that morning at a counselor's office in northern O'Fallon.

The woman would not provide details. Ron and Tina went. Their grief counselor was there. As well as a counselor from Fort Zumwalt West Middle School.

The neighbor from down the street, a single mom with a daughter the same age as Megan, informed the Meiers that Josh Evans never existed.

She told the Meiers that Josh Evans was created by adults, a family on their block. These adults, she told the Meiers, were the parents of Megan's former girlfriend, the one with whom she had a falling out. These were the people who'd asked the Meiers to store their foosball table.

The single mother, for this story, requested that her name not be used. She said her daughter, who had carpooled with the family that was involved in creating the phony MySpace account, had the password to the Josh Evans account and had sent one message - the one Megan received (and later retrieved off the hard drive) the night before she took her life.

"She had been encouraged to join in the joke," the single mother said.

The single mother said her daughter feels the guilt of not saying something sooner and for writing that message. Her daughter didn't speak out sooner because she'd known the other family for years and thought that what they were doing must be OK because, after all, they were trusted adults.

On the night the ambulance came for Megan, the single mother said, before it left the Meiers' house her daughter received a call. It was the woman behind the creation of the Josh Evans account. She had called to tell the girl that something had happened to Megan and advised the girl not to mention the MySpace account. (lb)

ms.peachy
11-17-2007, 02:59 PM
I read about this a few days ago on a parenting board. Disgusting behaviour on the part of some supposed 'adults'. That poor little girl.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 03:24 PM
that girl would have probablly killed herself eventually even without the myspace account. she seemed pretty well fucked already.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 03:28 PM
and why was this written like a short story? did this actually happen?

DandyFop
11-17-2007, 03:28 PM
Sounds like an urban legend in the making to me.

Yeah the way it's written makes no sense. Oh btw the FBI couldn't retrieve that message!! That's bullshit.

Randetica
11-17-2007, 03:48 PM
what? does that mean i closed my MS account for a fake shit?

Whatitis
11-17-2007, 03:59 PM
Kids can be cruel to eachother but the parents need to stop spreading the blame and be a parent and teach thier kids better ways to deal with life. The kid shouldn't have been on Myspace anyways(my opinion and the fact that she started an account at 13). I feel sorry for the girl and her family but to blame Myspace is a bit far fetched.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 04:43 PM
i don't even think the other adults that created the josh account should be held accountable for anything other than bad taste. if your so fragile that something as trivial as internet can have the possibility to make you decide to commit suicide, i think you're unfit for society and need to fix yourself for the sake of the rest of society.

ms.peachy
11-17-2007, 04:45 PM
I'm really rather glad there's little chance of you ever being a parent.

kaiser soze
11-17-2007, 04:54 PM
i don't even think the other adults that created the josh account should be held accountable for anything other than bad taste. if your so fragile that something as trivial as internet can have the possibility to make you decide to commit suicide, i think you're unfit for society and need to fix yourself for the sake of the rest of society.
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I disagree, it is well known that young teenagers are very influential and most importantly by popular media, technology, and their peers. Obviously this girl had self-image issues (which many young girls...and women have), and the parent(s) posing as the imaginary kid preyed on this girl's emotions (we have no idea what she expressed to "Josh" on the internet), but I'm sure the people posing as him online did know about her personal crisis through their daughter.

The adults posed as a boy online and led on a teenager, this is undeniably predatory and should be considered illegal and a major part of this case.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 04:56 PM
I'm really rather glad there's little chance of you ever being a parent.




and you're a big pussy.


that kid had no chance at life. if you're in thrid grade and considering suicide there's little hope for you. nothing could have been done for this kid and if there was something that could have been done the parents didn't do it. if anyone is responsible it's the kids parents for not doing things to fix/cure her more than anyone. if she was not fixable than shit happens and life takes its course.

what those other adults did with the josh account i see as very trivial. no one should care that much about internet shit like that. if you do then something is wrong with you.

Laserface
11-17-2007, 05:13 PM
that kid had no chance at life. if you're in thrid grade and considering suicide there's little hope for you. nothing could have been done for this kid and if there was something that could have been done the parents didn't do it. if anyone is responsible it's the kids parents for not doing things to fix/cure her more than anyone. if she was not fixable than shit happens and life takes its course.

what those other adults did with the josh account i see as very trivial. no one should care that much about internet shit like that. if you do then something is wrong with you.

i don't think it was that trivial; i mean, here was a person she thought was cute guy who supposedly appreciates her, and she seemed to grow really attached to the fake person. she rushed home everyday just to log on to myspace - i think she got really attached to this fake person. i don't think that's wrong. just because you don't know them in the flesh doesn't mean you shouldn't grow to love them.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 05:28 PM
well i feel the internet should be viewed as almost entirely fake. there is no way online can imitate real life to any degree worth mentioning. the internet is a very false and absurd excuse for real life. if you're gonna take it seriously you're just setting your self up to be placed into the twilight zone full of fallacy and absurdity.

i feel kids should not be online at all. there's too much bullshit that they can take seriously. i don't even like the fact that there's kids on xbox live talking to adults more than twice their age. and i mean actaul talking with a headset. that shit is just plain fucking creepy. communicating through type words is bad enough but with actual voices just makes it even weirder. no 13 year old should be talking to a 35 year old complete stranger no matter what the situation.

Lex Diamonds
11-17-2007, 05:40 PM
Sounds made-up to me. TMI tbh

Laserface
11-17-2007, 05:40 PM
if the girl were over 18 than i'd agree with you that she was a stupid bitch. but she wasn't even 14. someone at that age is impressionable and might not know any better.

so was it the parent's fault? because they already monitered the hell out of her myspace. if i was a parent, i don't think i'd even care what my kids look at.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 05:46 PM
of course it was the parents fault!


christ!

ms.peachy
11-17-2007, 06:00 PM
and you're a big pussy.


:rolleyes: yeah, you're so right. Having empathy is so lame. I should totally stop doing that.

DandyFop
11-17-2007, 06:08 PM
Jesus christ Turd, what gives you the right to say she's fucked already if she's been having these issues so long? She's a fucking human being (if this story is even true which I doubt it is)

Is it her fault she was born with chemical imbalances? No. It's not easy to treat someone so young and her parents probably don't want to just stick a bunch of medication into her and see what happens.

Coming from personal experience of knowin someone who was born with extreme chemical imbalances and came to terms/finally feels normal now only at the age of THIRTY FIVE, you can't just automatically disregard something like that. Dumbass. (and yes, her parents did everything in their known power to help her, and she would undoubtedly have ended up in a ditch somewhere without their help all these years)

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 06:12 PM
:rolleyes: yeah, you're so right. Having empathy is so lame. I should totally stop doing that.




shutup

you're a typical irrational overprotective mom putting blame on the wrong shit. if the world was a utopia your views would be perfect but since this world is not a utopia a lot of your views just clash with what how things really are.

Laserface
11-17-2007, 06:16 PM
of course it was the parents fault!


christ!

i never thought you'd be the kind of parent who wouldn't let their kids get myspaces

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 06:18 PM
Jesus christ Turd, what gives you the right to say she's fucked already if she's been having these issues so long? She's a fucking human being (if this story is even true which I doubt it is)

Is it her fault she was born with chemical imbalances? No. It's not easy to treat someone so young and her parents probably don't want to just stick a bunch of medication into her and see what happens.

Coming from personal experience of knowin someone who was born with extreme chemical imbalances and came to terms/finally feels normal now only at the age of THIRTY FIVE, you can't just automatically disregard something like that. Dumbass. (and yes, her parents did everything in their known power to help her, and she would undoubtedly have ended up in a ditch somewhere without their help all these years)

no, of course it's not her fault for being screwed up. im not saying she deserved what she got. but the treatment she received should be a non issue. what im saying is that the people behind the josh profile are not at fault for her suicide. if anything it's her parents fault. which i can agree that there might have been nothing they could do about her suicidal tendencies. so if it's not the parents fault since there was nothing that could have been done for her than it nature's(god's if you beleive in god) fault for producing such a messed up being.


and don't even try to say she wasn't messed up because she obviously was

DandyFop
11-17-2007, 06:20 PM
When did I say she wasn't messed up?

oh, nature? Yeah. That'll go over great in court.

Man think of all the fucked up people that could get off on account of "well it was nature" - all the murderers, rapists, etc.

blah, whatever, you aren't worth getting worked up over

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 06:23 PM
she was messed up. she over reacted to a non issue. how are the other adults at fault for a suicide? that's like saying you're at fault for making a lunatic go on top of a clock tower and start picking people off with a rifle.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 06:24 PM
Man think of all the fucked up people that could get off on account of "well it was nature" - all the murderers, rapists, etc.


they're messed up too. they need to be fixed or dealt with.

DandyFop
11-17-2007, 06:26 PM
Okay, sure. I'm so for that. What's your solution?

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 06:29 PM
what it all boils down to is that whatever produced her disabled mind beforehand is what's at fault for her to want commit suicide. maybe the parents could have done something about it. i feel they could have stopped this type of mentalilty that she developped. or maybe they was nothing ANYONE could do for her and it is what it is... a poor child with a severe disability that no one could help.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 06:32 PM
Okay, sure. I'm so for that. What's your solution?

how the fuck should i know?


if they can't be fixed they need to be put into a situation where they cannot harm themselves and especially OTHERS.

Lex Diamonds
11-17-2007, 06:32 PM
LOL

I can't believe Dandy is falling for this.

DandyFop
11-17-2007, 06:34 PM
For what, Turd? Or the (fake) story? I'm done. No point.

The Notorious LOL
11-17-2007, 06:44 PM
"one the FBI would be unable to retrieve from the hard drive"

haha christ with language like this its pretty obvious this is a crock of shit.

First why would the FBI investigate this? Second, your messages are not saved to your hard drive. At best, theres some shit in your browser cache but that would require knowing your username and password.

DandyFop
11-17-2007, 06:51 PM
Yeah that was the biggest red flag. That and the glossing over that the chick fucking HUNG HERSELF. It's like "oh yeah and btw that girl died lol"

The Notorious LOL
11-17-2007, 06:53 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/chi-suicidenov17,0,2946138.story?coll=cs-home-headlines


well maybe it is real. I dunno...either way, yes bullying...people are fucked up....tragic, etc

This is why all suburbanities should just kill themselves. Once you move out of the city you're all ready to create myspace profiles to pry into your neighbors teenage daughters life.

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 07:17 PM
and once you move into the suburbs you forget to do some decent parenting because you feel that since you live in the suburbs everything will be perfect.

Randetica
11-17-2007, 07:18 PM
turd definitely doesnt see life in a censored kind of way
nothing gets covered with pink cotton balls, he is a cold realist who doesnt want to waste his time with people who think with thar harts

omg i figured the obvious shit out



back then i was way too emotional/immature for the net and i was already 17! i took every shit too personal


many net places/people are poison for unstabled people and especially kids

say what!

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 07:22 PM
you're suppose to think with your head

leave your heart for loving, not the thinking

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 07:24 PM
and once you move into the suburbs you forget to do some decent parenting because you feel that since you live in the suburbs everything will be perfect.

im not sure if moving into the suburban environment causes this type of behavior or the people predispose to this kind of behavior naturally gravitate to the suburban environment

Randetica
11-17-2007, 07:25 PM
you're suppose to think with your head

leave your heart for loving, not the thinking


yeah, idiots should stop abusing their own guts

TurdBerglar
11-17-2007, 07:26 PM
hahahahaha

TimDoolan
11-18-2007, 12:29 AM
well i feel the internet should be viewed as almost entirely fake. there is no way online can imitate real life to any degree worth mentioning. the internet is a very false and absurd excuse for real life. if you're gonna take it seriously you're just setting your self up to be placed into the twilight zone full of fallacy and absurdity.

i feel kids should not be online at all. there's too much bullshit that they can take seriously. i don't even like the fact that there's kids on xbox live talking to adults more than twice their age. and i mean actaul talking with a headset. that shit is just plain fucking creepy. communicating through type words is bad enough but with actual voices just makes it even weirder. no 13 year old should be talking to a 35 year old complete stranger no matter what the situation.

I totally agree with you turdman, on all aspects

insertnamehere
11-18-2007, 12:35 AM
i think that the adults should feel like fucking idiots for being so petty as to harass a kid online for fun. just that i typed that i realized that i sometimes harass kids online for fun... but i digress...


that girl was fucked up. i think it was a ticking time bomb sort of thing. kids say mean nasty things, and eventually someone was gonna say what "jeremy" or whatever the fuck the name was, said, and she was gonna hang herself.

the way i see it, if people want to kill themselves, thats kind of their own thing. not to say i dont feel bad for her family.


if i were gonna kill myself i'd try to go for a really interesting way to do it, personally. not that im trying to rag on the girl's hanging. just, you know, i would handle it different. but then, i woudlnt kill myself, cause im a pussy and i fear death.

Lex Diamonds
11-18-2007, 07:08 AM
If I was her I woulda just replied "Oh U mad cuz im stylin' on you! :D", not gone and hung myself like a chump.

ms.peachy
11-18-2007, 07:45 AM
shutup

you're a typical irrational overprotective mom putting blame on the wrong shit. if the world was a utopia your views would be perfect but since this world is not a utopia a lot of your views just clash with what how things really are.

Yes, you're right. You've totally described my parenting style to a T. Because you know me that well. Puh-leeze, I am a parent who has decided to raise her child in a city because I think it's important not to hide kids from the realities of the world by hiding in some suburban cocoon.

This is basically just a rehash of that other bullying thread anyway, and I think it's clear where each of us stands on the issue, so I don't really see any point to further discussion.

TurdBerglar
11-18-2007, 11:13 AM
bullying didn't end this girl's life. she was fucked up to begin with. like i said before, if some kid is having suicidal thoughts in third grade(8 years old?) then that kid is fucking doomed. it's like if she was borned with a lethal birth defect. she couldn't handle normal life at all. what happened with the josh character was so inconsequential. it's even less meaningless that it happened online. she just couldn't handle it.

Randetica
11-18-2007, 11:17 AM
i was pretty normal till i got thrown into the civilization pool

Lex Diamonds
11-18-2007, 11:27 AM
I think Ice Cube said it best when he said "Chikkity check yourself before you wrikkity-wreck yourself, cuz big dicks in your ass is bad for your health". (y)

Randetica
11-18-2007, 11:47 AM
sounds like he wrote those lyrics while someone was fucking with his health

TimDoolan
11-18-2007, 12:14 PM
"one the FBI would be unable to retrieve from the hard drive"

haha christ with language like this its pretty obvious this is a crock of shit.

First why would the FBI investigate this? Second, your messages are not saved to your hard drive. At best, theres some shit in your browser cache but that would require knowing your username and password.

This story is real. It was on 360 a few days ago, with interviews with the parents and family. I don't know who wrote what I posted, I just googled the story after I watched the report on tv. Next time I'll read what I post

TurdBerglar
11-18-2007, 12:24 PM
that story was written to add more emotion towards the girl

TurdBerglar
11-19-2007, 03:55 PM
and what normal parents would let a 16 year old mack it on their 13 year old?

i was a senior when i was 16. aren't most 13 year olds in 8th grade? that's fucking weird.

insertnamehere
11-19-2007, 04:16 PM
i turned 17 while i was a senior, so turd's situation isnt all that strange.

due to my being a fucking genious they wanted to skip me a grade but my parents felt that it was a bad idea given that i was younger than most everyone in my class already.

but, yeah, so a 16 year old *probably* isn't a senior, but still, the difference between most 13 year olds and most 16 year olds is pretty significant

TurdBerglar
11-19-2007, 05:18 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21882976/?GT1=10547