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cookiepuss
11-20-2007, 11:08 PM
yeah, that's right. a study has predicted that the internet will run out of spaces in approximately two years. So I'm going to have to ask you all to limit your post count to really important things because we really need to conserve space. The next time you post I'd really like you to think about what you are about to post and ask yourself: "Is this good for the internet." Umkay? yeaaaaaaahhhh.


Warnings of 'internet overload'

By Spencer Kelly

As the flood of data across the internet continues to increase, there are those that say sometime soon it is going to collapse under its own weight. But that is what they said last year.

Back in the early 90s, those of us that were online were just sending text e-mails of a few bytes each, traffic across the main US data lines was estimated at a few terabytes a month, steadily doubling every year.

But the mid 90s saw the arrival of picture-rich websites, and the invention of the MP3. Suddenly each net user wanted megabytes of pictures and music, and the monthly traffic figure exploded.

For the next few years we saw more steady growth with traffic again roughly doubling every year.

But since 2003, we have seen another change in the way we use the net. The YouTube generation want to stream video, and download gigabytes of data in one go.

"In one day, YouTube sends data equivalent to 75 billion e-mails; so it's clearly very different," said Phil Smith, head of technology and corporate marketing at Cisco Systems.

"The network is growing up, is starting to get more capacity than it ever had, but it is a challenge.

"Video is real-time, it needs to not have mistakes or errors. E-mail can be a little slow. You wouldn't notice if it was 11 seconds rather than 10, but you would notice that on a video."

Spending our inheritance

Perhaps unsurprisingly, every year someone says the internet is going to collapse under the weight of the traffic.

Looking at the figures, that seems a reasonable prediction.

"Back in the days of the dotcom boom in the late 90s, billions of dollars were invested around the world in laying cables," said net expert Bill Thompson.

"Then there was the crash of 2000 and since then we've been spending that inheritance, using that capacity, growing services to fill the space that was left over by all those companies that went out of business."

Router reliability

Much more high-speed optic fibre has been laid than we currently need, and scientists are confident that each strand can be pushed to carry almost limitless amounts of data in the form of light.

But long before a backbone wire itself gets overloaded, the strain may begin to show on the devices at either end - the routers.

"If we take a backbone link across the Atlantic, there're billions of bits of data arriving every second and it's all got to go to different destinations," explained Mr Thompson.

The real issue that people are going to face, and are already noticing at home, is that ISPs are starting to cut back on the bandwidth that is available to people in their homes
Bill Thompson, net expert
"The router sits at the end of that very high speed link and decides where each small piece of data has to go. That's not a difficult computational task, but it has to make millions of decisions a second."

The manufacturer of most of the world's routers is Cisco. When I pushed them on the subject of router overload, they were understandably confident.

"Routers have come a long way since they started," said Mr Smith. "The routers we're talking about now can handle 92 terabits per second.

"We have enough capacity to do that and drive a billion phone calls from those same people who are playing a video game at the same time they're having a text chat."

Congestion

Even if the routers can continue to take what the fibre delivers, there is another problem - the internet is not all fibre.

A lot of the end connections, the ones that go to our individual home computers, are made of decades-old copper.

"The real issue that people are going to face, and are already noticing at home, is that ISPs are starting to cut back on the bandwidth that is available to people in their homes," said Mr Thompson. "They call it bandwidth shaping.

"They do this because they have a limited capacity to deliver to 100 or 200 homes, and if everybody's using the internet at the same time then the whole thing starts to get congested. Before that happens they cut back on the heavy users."

Obstacles

But digital meltdown is not the only threat facing the net. There are other, more sudden, real world hazards which the net has to protect against.

Anything from terror attacks to, would you believe it shark bites, can and have taken out major links and routers.

It only takes an earthquake, as we saw at the end of last year, to take out a significant segment of internet infrastructure
Paul Wood, MessageLabs
"There's a perception that the internet is very resilient," said Paul Wood, senior analyst of security firm MessageLabs. "The way it was designed means that if any particular part of it is disrupted then the traffic will find another route.

"It only takes an earthquake, as we saw at the end of last year, to take out a significant segment of internet infrastructure. Then the traffic finds another route, but it goes over a very slow route, which then becomes saturated and can't handle the bandwidth. Then you lose the traffic and that part of the world goes dark for a while."

For decades the internet has kept pace with our demands on it. And demand continues to grow.

And the service providers will continue to insist that the net will survive, and the doomsayers will continue to insist that it is just about to collapse.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/programmes/click_online/6756899.stm

benchillin
11-20-2007, 11:11 PM
another reports suggest that it is more like a Tree, and yet a 3rd implies that it stretches out like a rubberband.

cookiepuss
11-20-2007, 11:14 PM
Until now I never thought about the internet getting full. it's seemed...well.... infinite.
I'm so disillusioned now....

The Notorious LOL
11-20-2007, 11:18 PM
it sort of takes this approach almost like there is one central location for INTERNET that all points lead to. It wont get "full" and its ridiculous to imply as such.

benchillin
11-20-2007, 11:24 PM
this could be some serious 10th deminsion bullshit.

Waus
11-21-2007, 12:03 AM
Interbutts will never be full. That doesn't even make sense.

ISPs might limit individual user's bandwidths while they upgrade the system (which is bull) - but it can't get full.

The Notorious LOL
11-21-2007, 12:29 AM
not to mention that as wireless technology is developed more (give it another five or ten years), the wired connection will become more of a failsafe. As of right now I aint fuckin with slow ass bullshit ass wireless but yeah...the internet cant fill up and whoever suggests as such doesnt know what the fuck they're talking about.

Cisco develops some insane shit anyway. They pretty much control the internet and how it gets from the internet factory to your home.

Waus
11-21-2007, 12:34 AM
As of right now I aint fuckin with slow ass bullshit ass wireless but yeah...

THANK YOU! Some people I used to live with were all on the tip of wireless connections, and I always got pissed because they were slow and finnicky. Only 1/4 of them could understand my hatred of it.

QueenAdrock
11-21-2007, 12:34 AM
They're working on 3rd version internets, too.

The Notorious LOL
11-21-2007, 12:45 AM
THANK YOU! Some people I used to live with were all on the tip of wireless connections, and I always got pissed because they were slow and finnicky. Only 1/4 of them could understand my hatred of it.




yuuuuup. I have to figure out how to wire my connection from the coax running to the modem in the office to the Wii and 360 in the living room in some fashion. Theres no way in hell Im using wireless on either/or, but I also dont want cable running down the hallway.

TurdBerglar
11-21-2007, 12:48 AM
get some ethernet outlets and and run that shit through the walls

The Notorious LOL
11-21-2007, 12:52 AM
unless the landlord is willing to pay/do the work, fuck that.

mickill
11-21-2007, 12:57 AM
This here is the stupidest shit I've ever read. And I tend to read some dumb shit.

HEIRESS
11-21-2007, 01:01 AM
mickyyyyyyyyyyyy

mickill
11-21-2007, 01:09 AM
AIIIIIIRRRRRZZZZ!

paul jones
11-21-2007, 01:22 AM
It's all that Porn

tracky
11-21-2007, 01:44 AM
i'm on wireless here at home now, using it for my laptop and media center computers. I play games, download shit, etc. and not once have a i had a problem. The only time it has been slower than a wire is copying large files, but even then it's fast enough to copy a couple of movies to my laptop before i leave in the morning. If I want speed i just run a cable. Just make sure you go with the best security your hardware supports and make your keys random giberish like $j*7fds*34.gK\. I have a couple of mates who like to think they're hackers and they couldn't get in to mine. I've seen them get into a lot of other peoples tho (!)

aside from that nlol just get a hub/switch, put the cable from the modem into one of it's ports and run cables from it to each device. You could put it with the modem or run a cable and have it nearer the devices. Or buy a new modem with a built in router and run cables. Even better use wireless. The ultimate is in the walls but i wouldnt be doing that in a rental place either. We used to just run cables along walls and under rugs. I've been thinking of doing my place with wall sockets but it's a hassle for not much really. The wireress is working great, seriously (y)

insertnamehere
11-21-2007, 02:34 AM
my school's internets are pretty amazing. its like we have our own special seperate internets. but its really really really fast. and like, i use wirless all the time and everything still works pretty seamlessly. i dont notice a difference between hooked to the wall and using my wireless, except that sometimes the wireless goes out, but i think thats my roommate's router is all.

i think of it as kind of like fractals. if you need more internet space you can just make another small branch. like how my school has its own self sustaining network that connects to the internet at large. actually im talking out of my ass and have no idea how internets actually work, but it seems to be something like that, and if my school ran out of space it could just make another subsystem of servers or something, right? and things can just keep getting broken up infinitley small. im really sleepy.

roosta
11-21-2007, 12:05 PM
the only thing that might be remotely true about that is ISP's throttling some services, but that threat is always bandied about.

DeeJayZap
11-21-2007, 12:43 PM
thats one of the stupidest things ive heard in a while.

cookiepuss
11-21-2007, 12:45 PM
it sort of takes this approach almost like there is one central location for INTERNET that all points lead to. It wont get "full" and its ridiculous to imply as such.

yeah that's what I thought too (about the implication of a central location.)

I tend to agree with you all on the sillyness of this article, but it's not the only one out there on the subject, so certainly there are more than a few groups of people that really thing the fibers are gonna overload. or whatever. heh. interesting.

as the end of the article says..there are those that insist it won't colapse and those that insist it will....

DeeJayZap
11-21-2007, 12:49 PM
well the data online, it's all stored on servers, right? servers are basically groups of hard drives. it doesnt look like hard drive manufacturing is slowing...

skinnybutphat
11-21-2007, 01:14 PM
Won't extending IP addresses give millions of new locations?