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TurdBerglar
11-30-2007, 12:33 PM
KHARTOUM, Sudan - Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."

In response to the demonstration, teacher Gillian Gibbons was moved from the women's prison near Khartoum to a secret location for her safety, her lawyer said.

The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gibbons, who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.

They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.

"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.

They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."

Gibbons' chief lawyer, Kamal al-Gizouli, said she was moved from the prison for her safety for the final nine days of her sentence.

"They moved this lady from the prison department to put her in other hands and in other places to cover her and wait until she completes her imprisonment period," he said, adding that she was in good health.

"They want, by hook or by crook, to complete these nine days without any difficulties, which would have an impact on their foreign relationship," he said.

Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched from the square to Unity High School, about a mile away, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then headed toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.

The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.

Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes — but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.

A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.

"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.

"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.

Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.

"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.

Most Britons expressed shock at the verdict by a court in Khartoum, alongside hope it would not raise tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain.

"One of the good things is the U.K. Muslims who've condemned the charge as completely out of proportion," said Paul Wishart, 37, a student in London.

"In the past, people have been a bit upset when different atrocities have happened and there hasn't been much voice in the U.K. Islamic population, whereas with this, they've quickly condemned it."

Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, accused the Sudanese authorities of "gross overreaction."

"This case should have required only simple common sense to resolve. It is unfortunate that the Sudanese authorities were found wanting in this most basic of qualities," he said.

The Muslim Public Affairs Committee, a political advocacy group, said the prosecution was "abominable and defies common sense."

The Federation of Student Islamic Societies, which represents 90,000 Muslim students in Britain and Ireland, called on Sudan's government to free Gibbons, saying she had not meant to cause offense.

"We are deeply concerned that the verdict to jail a schoolteacher due to what's likely to be an innocent mistake is gravely disproportionate," said the group's president, Ali Alhadithi.

The Ramadhan Foundation, a Muslim youth organization, said Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir should pardon the teacher.

"The Ramadhan Foundation is disappointed and horrified by the conviction of Gillian Gibbons in Sudan," said spokesman Mohammed Shafiq.

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world's 77 million Anglicans, said Gibbons' prosecution and conviction was "an absurdly disproportionate response to what is at worst a cultural faux pas."

Foreign Secretary David Miliband summoned the Sudanese ambassador late Thursday to express Britain's disappointment with the verdict. The Foreign Office said Britain would continue diplomatic efforts to achieve "a swift resolution" to the crisis.

Gibbons was arrested Sunday after another staff member at the school complained that she had allowed her 7-year-old students to name a teddy bear Muhammad. Giving the name of the Muslim prophet to an animal or a toy could be considered insulting.

The case put Sudan's government in an embarrassing position — facing the anger of Britain on one side and potential trouble from powerful Islamic hard-liners on the other. Many saw the 15-day sentence as an attempt to appease both sides.

In The Times, columnist Bronwen Maddox said the verdict was "something of a fudge ... designed to give a nod to British reproof but also to appease the street."

Britain's response — applying diplomatic pressure while extolling ties with Sudan and affirming respect for Islam — had produced mixed results, British commentators concluded.

In an editorial, The Daily Telegraph said Miliband "has tiptoed around the case, avoiding a threat to cut aid and asserting that respect for Islam runs deep in Britain. Given that much of the government's financial support goes to the wretched refugees in Darfur and neighboring Chad, Mr. Miliband's caution is understandable."

Now, however, the newspaper said, Britain should recall its ambassador in Khartoum and impose sanctions on the Sudanese regime.


what kind of civilian idiot simple school teacher voluntarily goes to that part of the world? DON'T GO THERE MORON

TAL
11-30-2007, 12:41 PM
Why don't they wanna kill the children?
They're the ones who came up with the name according to the story.

Freebasser
11-30-2007, 01:18 PM
If there's one thing I can't stand it's religion, and the religious fuckwits that it breeds. Ok, that's two things, but I digress... Just because you believe in a fucking fairy story, that's no excuse to go forcing it down other's throats. You don't get the Atheism Army or the Anti-God Squad knocking on your door at night to preach to you about how God doesn't exist.

The kids obviously don't have a problem with it, as they named the damn thing, so why should a mature, reasonable adult not be ok with it? Simple answer - there's no such thing as a mature, reasonable adult where religion is concerned. On the BBC some Christian guy said "I'd be a bit annoyed if people started naming things after Jesus". That fucks half the population of Mexico from the get-go then!

Fuck off, you fucking simple-minded twats who have to believe in a mystical guy with a beard because you are fucked in the head and who kill each other because you disagree over what he looked like and what he believed in, because you have nothing better to do with your time.

*Names everything in his room Muhammad*

roosta
11-30-2007, 01:33 PM
Angry Atheists are every bit as annoying as angry religious people.

And just as nonsensical.

Bob
11-30-2007, 01:38 PM
Angry Atheists are every bit as annoying as angry religious people.

And just as nonsensical.

i agree (except for maybe the nonsensical part because usually they're basing their beliefs on something believable, but they're still fucking annoying).

i don't have a problem with religion, i have a problem with fundamentalism, because stupid shit like this incident happens.

they're pissed off because the kids named the teddy bear mohammed, that's absurd. they didn't even name it "the prophet mohammed", i'm sure i've met muslim people named mohammed before, and i don't think anyone called for their parents' execution. this is just stupid

roosta
11-30-2007, 01:42 PM
what would have happened if she DIDNT let them name is Muhammed? They would have gone home and told their parents that their teacher wouldnt let them call it after the Prophet and she would have got done for denying Islam or something

Ya just can't win.

cookiepuss
11-30-2007, 01:43 PM
rather than not go there...

educate yourself about the customs and laws of the place you are going before you go there or find someone to clue you in as soon as you get there. I'm sure there was a superior at the school that had she run this by them would have told her that it was a bad idea.

she's getting in trouble for pure ignorance.

Bob
11-30-2007, 01:48 PM
rather than not go there...

educate yourself about the customs and laws of the place you are going before you go there or find someone to clue you in as soon as you get there. I'm sure there was a superior at the school that had she run this by them would have told her that it was a bad idea.

she's getting in trouble for pure ignorance.

lol that would require quite a bit of research, wouldn't it? i've never read the koran, but i don't think "thou shalt not name teddy bears mohammed" is very prominently featured. i mean i know at this point that islam forbids you to put the prophet in cartoons, but i was not aware that you were forbidden from ever naming any inanimate object "mohammed", even if it's not referring to the prophet.

and besides, it wasn't like she said "hello class, say hello to mohammed the teddy bear!" no, she asked them to vote for a name, they came up with "mohammed", and she said "sounds great"

cookiepuss
11-30-2007, 01:48 PM
they're pissed off because the kids named the teddy bear mohammed, that's absurd. they didn't even name it "the prophet mohammed", i'm sure i've met muslim people named mohammed before, and i don't think anyone called for their parents' execution. this is just stupid

no. naming a person mohammed is probably different. they probably wouldn't allow a dog to be named Mohammed either. it would be insulting to insinuate that a dog has any likeness to thier prophet. just as it's insulting to name an inatimate object..like a teddy bear that. it probably has to something to do with not worshiping false idols I'm guessing.

don't critize it unless you truly understand it. and unless you are muslim or have been very educated in muslim religon you probably aren't going to understand it.

TurdBerglar
11-30-2007, 01:48 PM
rather than not go there...

educate yourself about the customs and laws of the place you are going before you go there or find someone to clue you in as soon as you get there. I'm sure there was a superior at the school that had she run this by them would have told her that it was a bad idea.

she's getting in trouble for pure ignorance.


no

don't go there


why on earth would you willingly go to sudan? especially if you're originally from the uk????

that's like going from first class to being towed from the back of the plane with with cardboard wings attached to your arms.

Bob
11-30-2007, 01:49 PM
no. naming a person mohammed is probably different. they probably wouldn't allow a dog to be named Mohammed either. it would be insulting to insinuate that a dog has any likeness to thier prophet. just as it's insulting to name an inatimate object..like a teddy bear that. it probably has to something to do with not worshiping false idols.

don't critize it unless you truly understand it. and unless you are muslim or have been very educated in muslim religon you probably aren't going to understand it.

nah, it's stupid

i'm sure many muslim people would agree, actually

Bob
11-30-2007, 01:55 PM
my issue isn't even with the "no naming things mohammed" rule, i don't really care about that. what i'm criticizing is the 1,000 or so knife-wielding protesters demanding this woman's execution because she allowed her second grade class to name a teddy bear

you're really giving me shit for this position?

cookiepuss
11-30-2007, 01:57 PM
nah, it's stupid

i'm sure many muslim people would agree, actually

it's dumb to us and to some more relaxed muslims it might be too...but obvously it's no laughing matter to these radical devout muslims in sudan.

dude if you're going somewhere and you know they have harsh rules, harsh punishment and are extremely religious, and your class wants to give a teddy bear a religious name..wouldn't you run that by someone? I probably would.

the muslims are upset because they are thinking that if she is teaching thier children, she should know thier customs well enough to know that she shold teach the kids that the name mohammed is not to be used lightly and should be treated with the utmost respect.

but then I'm guess i'm just playing devils advocate here.

TurdBerglar
11-30-2007, 01:58 PM
i also can't stand those idiot journalist that go to the middle east and get abducted and it becomes a big fucking deal. DON'T GO THERE BITCH.

cookiepuss
11-30-2007, 02:01 PM
also one thing you probably haven't considered is...

maybe these little Muslim shits KNEW it would get her in trouble. You probably remember your class giving the subsitute teachers a hard time in school, don't you? Switching seats and playing practical joke on him/her? Well maybe they thought it would be real funny to get the new teacher stoned to death. maybe thats real funny where they come from, eh?

abcdefz
11-30-2007, 02:04 PM
She's an idiot for not knowing better than that, but -- despite my occasional impulses toward it -- I don't think idiots should have to die for it.

Yeah, it would be nice if fanatics had a sense of proportion, but they don't.

Audio.
11-30-2007, 02:09 PM
idiots like these is what causes wars and I base that from some of the past wars in this world. I mean why couldn't just one person take the decency to educate the teacher about the issues a class room or a phone talk meeting than start a massive riot fuss with instant punishment (40 lashes:eek:SHIT!!) and a death sentence!?

I can understand if their beliefs are that strict and strong but punishing someone who is not costume to their lifestyle shouldn't be punishment. in fact there shouldn't be punishment in this world. I think its just best to educate or deport her ass out. Doesn't seem she was ignorant in the report though. dunno could be bias opinion.

roosta
11-30-2007, 02:13 PM
alot of muslims are embarrassed by this situation i gather.

Freebasser
11-30-2007, 02:28 PM
Angry Atheists are every bit as annoying as angry religious people.

And just as nonsensical.

True. I was being a bit over dramatic, mainly because yes, I am angry, and for that outburst I apologise.

I'm a very tolerant person in general. I don't agree at all with religion but I keep myself to myself 99% of the time and let others get on with whatever it is that they want to do. If people want to be religious I have no problems with that, I just tend to find that I have little in common with them. I fully agree that the woman was perhaps a little ill-versed in the ways of religious ettiquette, but that is no excuse to demand somebody's death - something like a basic lack of human rights tends to get me pretty on edge.

I just happen to see religion as an easy way for several thousand of the world's nutters to get a say on what goes on in the world. Obviously, not all religious people are pyscohpathic killers and many people who are psychopathic killers are not religious, but I truly believe that religion is a huge fucking springboard for those who are a little bit lacking in the brain cell department and who are a bit trigger happy. Sometimes at night I watch the God Channel and i genuinely fear for the future of the planet.

roosta
11-30-2007, 02:33 PM
If there was no religion those nutbags would find a different reason to excuse their acts.

Put it this way, if the muslim world had the same level of wealth and prosperity as "the West" they probably wouldn't be as angry.

abcdefz
11-30-2007, 02:37 PM
They would be gangstas.

"YOU STEPPED ON MY SHOE! 40 LASHES!!!"

mathcart
11-30-2007, 02:46 PM
alot of muslims are embarrassed by this situation i gather.

This is what confuses me. I have a very western(outsider view) of the Muslim faith, but their doesn't seem to be a "reformed" (ala Judaism) strain of the faith. The more liberal Moslem's seem to be akin to like, evangelical Christians here with the more fanatical element seeming to be a darker skinned KKK. There isn't a lot of open-mindedness in either corner, so I don't see who would be embarrassed.