uh-oh someone reported me to tpk

[drizl]

awwww, come on guys you know i love you all.


its funny that on a message board like this, that people think they have the right to dump your freedom of speech because you stir up too much shit that people dont want to hear. sadly, i cant believe it actually took this long. and in the "political forum"...when talking politics is slapstick, go-nowhere, jerk eachother off on the merry go round, it goes nowhere. this is a political forum. its going to get heated, peoples feelings might get hurt, but its about standing up for what you believe in. i didnt start the reign of insults, and perhaps im no better a person for playing the game, but thats not what its about.

so i got a message from tpk telling me that i have to tone it down, or he/she would do it for me. what is that? tpk you can shove it, you cant shut me up or tell me what is acceptable or not. that is up to me. if im in poor taste, so be it, it is my decision, and if other people cant handle it, then that is there problem. i doubt your randomly sending messages out to other folk who have ranted about how ignorant and big of an asshole i am. at least, im not about to go cry to the message board nanny about it.

bring it. kick me out if you want to. afterall, i guess its your job, to protect the self esteem of queenadrock, yeahwho, schmeltz and the rest of the fanclub. i'll be in new zealand by the end of january, far from any computer, from anyones feelings that might get hurt. it will be a lot quieter then, i promise.

love,
driz

[QueenAdrock]

i didnt start the reign of insults

Tell me where I insulted you, because from what I recall, you called me a bulldyke for no reason.

You're stifling political discourse with petty, mean insults. Freedom of speech I'm for. Ignorance and hatred (especially with no reason or justification for said actions) I'm not for. MLK didn't change the world by throwing out insults, he changed it by trying to get others on his side and see his way. If you honestly want people to see your side and start this "revolution" you talk about all the time, perhaps try to actually engage them in debate, talk with them and try to convince them of your point, instead of being offensive. It's unnecessary.

[QueenAdrock]

Interestingly enough, this is under the rules of the forum too:

Freedom of Speech does not apply to posting on BeastieBoys.com. We are a private community and may remove you as a member of our site for any number of idiotic statements, including but not limited to: sexist statements, racist statements, threats of violence, attacks upon the staff, and just good old fashioned idiocy. If you think this rule in some way infringes upon your liberties or freedom of expression we suggest you read On Liberty by John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873), a critically important exploration on the ethics of tolerating opinions that you find repugnant and what a private citizen is obligated to do in the face of speech they disagree with. Mr. Mill suggests that private publications and people may not use the law to surpress other's opinions but they have no obligation to promote or associate with people who hold those opinions.

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/faq.php?faq=vb_read_and_post#faq_freedom_of_speech

[drizl]

nice, lord of the boards read a book by john stuart mill and chose to adopt its freedom-limiting concepts. i never really thought of the boards here as a private community...i mean, i know you have to sign up and register, and that people can be kicked out, but i always found it a place to speak your mind. i guess if the community doesnt want you around, they can boot you. exclusivity, register, play by the rules or you're out. whatever, fuck all of that.

" Mr. Mill suggests that private publications and people may not use the law to surpress other's opinions but they have no obligation to promote or associate with people who hold those opinions."

fuck that person too, whoever wrote that. its totally contradictory. its basically saying i have free choice to kick you out of my club. this shit is totally changing the way i look at these boards. how can you cite this asshole? kick me out of your club, no sweat off my sack.

queen, i can go back and recount several occasions where you insulted me, but to be honest, it doesnt really bother me that much to waste the time to go back and recall each time. if you are concerned about it, and have the time, go for it, search in the forums. theres lots of bullying, bullshitting, and bulldyking going on around these parts.

[QueenAdrock]

No, I may have said some of your ideas I don't agree with, I think are wrong, whatever else, but I have never insulted anyone on this board. I don't throw around insults, it's not my style.

If you can find one time where I call you an idiot, fag, whatever else, I'd like to see it.

Edit: I have found one insult in the past 6 months, directed to our good ole buddy gmsisko, if you were around at that time you'd know why it happened. Imagine a backwoods southerner with a 4th grade education who comes on here and posts Bush-agenda propaganda 20 times a day.

Either way, I've searched for over a year and have yet to come up with an insult directed towards you or anyone else.

[DroppinScience]

Dude, it's simply called not being a douchebag. You're more than welcome to share your idiotic, half-baked, unreliable, poorly sourced, delusional opinions or conspiracies for the world to see. We, the readers, will read your stuff and decide whether or not it's of substance (hint: there's no substance).

But that's not what you're being reported for. You're being reported for being needlessly insulting. If you're in any debate club, you're going to quickly learn that calling people a "dipshit pussy" or a "fucking idiot" will not only make your arguments or rebuttals completely unpersuavive, but you're just going to get kicked out or completely socially alienated. You're making not only a disgrace of yourself, you're making a disgrace of your viewpoints as well.

If you're to survive in this world, you're going to have to learn that not everybody shares the same opinions as you, and low-brow insults will not convert a single person to your belief system.

By all means, speak your mind. But junior high school insults isn't conducive to a constructive dialogue.

I know this is all completely beyond you, but hey, somebody's got to try, right?

[yeahwho]

Inevitable and sad. If a serious attempt at kindness were made I think perhaps you could stay. I know I didn't report you, I just ignore you. You and ericq, that is when I noticed you two get along quite well. The two ignores inter lap each other without any interruptions. Maybe if you try and get a conspiracy theory section on the board you'll be able to prosper here.

[Bob]

that people think they have the right to dump your freedom of speech because you stir up too much shit that people dont want to hear.

that's not why we don't like you

i didn't report you for the record, but i can pretty safely say that that's probably not why you were reported

[drizl]

droppingscience: fuck you:)

yeahwho, once again you prove that you are a huge vagina that can type.

[Randetica]

aww drizl is growing up

[JohnnyChavello]

nice, lord of the boards read a book by john stuart mill and chose to adopt its freedom-limiting concepts.

" Mr. Mill suggests that private publications and people may not use the law to surpress other's opinions but they have no obligation to promote or associate with people who hold those opinions."

I remember having a thread blocked for some inane reason on the Board and I was pissed about it for sure. One of the administrators also sent me this message about John Stuart Mill.

I've read "On Liberty," and I'm familiar with the principles and philosophies of traditional liberalism: I think TpK, or whomever wrote to me, fundamentally misunderstands them.

Sure it's true that private individuals have no obligation to promote or associate with opinions that they find objectionable, but that really misses the point. Nobody assumes that the administrators promote or associate with all of the content on this message board. The important point, to my mind, is that this message board, and the internet more generally, resembles the traditional public forum. Although the message board itself is under no legal obligation to conform to the government limiting principles of the First Amendment, again, that sort of misses the point. There is free speech law and there are free speech principles and all of us do well to understand that promoting the principle of free expression is nearly as important as ensuring that the "Congress [or the States] pass no law..." abridging free speech.

Mill wrote, in "On Liberty," that "the object 'towards which every human being must ceaselessly direct his efforts, and on which especially those who design to influence their fellow men must ever keep their eyes, is the individuality of power and development’; that for this there are two requisites, ‘freedom, and variety of situations’; and that from the union of these arise individual vigour and manifold diversity’, which combine themselves in ‘originality’." Without the requisite freedom, no community can claim to be liberal.

[Schmeltz]

Nobody assumes that the administrators promote or associate with all of the content on this message board.

I think there must be much more to it than that. In fact I'm certain that there are situations or circumstances under which the administrators of this or any other board could be held legally culpable for statements that could be construed as hate speech, or material that could be considered pornographic, if it is posted on their board. I seem to recall an explicit warning that was stickied for some time at the top of this Political section, warning members not to post threatening statements about President Bush. Surely that wasn't done for no reason.

The important point, to my mind, is that this message board, and the internet more generally, resembles the traditional public forum.

The traditional public forum, in every society in history, has always been subject to rules and regulations that dictate the limits of what may be freely expressed, however those limits might be defined. Why should the internet or any message board found on it be any different?

There is free speech law and there are free speech principles and all of us do well to understand that promoting the principle of free expression is nearly as important as ensuring that the "Congress [or the States] pass no law..." abridging free speech.

Yes, but it's a two-way street: equally, all those who wish to participate in the benefits of the principle of free speech should acquaint themselves with the responsibilities attendant to those benefits. Those who fail to acquiesce in this arrangement - people who abuse the principles of free speech by making them a pulpit for insulting, derogatory, or hateful material - lose their benefits in proportion to their failure to fulfill their responsibilities. Free speech is not a ticket for the espousal of any profane remark that comes to mind, it is a privilege to be exercised by those responsible enough to use it properly - a distinction drawn by the authorities who sacrifice their time and effort in the maintenance of the forum where we gather to express our views.

I can't see what drizl writes, but apparently he has foresaken the responsible and coherent expression of his views in favour of dispensing misogynystic insults (alongside his usual paranoiac fantasies of grand conspiratorial undertakings). I see no reason why this should not earn him censure, especially since he is seemingly more keen on setting himself up as some kind of martyr instead of expressing remorse for his transgression. When a bratty little kid pisses in the pool, he doesn't get to swim, and there's no reason the rest of us should put up with it either.

[Drederick Tatum]

I've seen at least a dozen computers here in New Zealand and we possibly have more.

[yeahwho]

Trizzle Trazzle Trozzle Trome

[drizl]

johnny c good points you bring up.


i dont think anyone anywhere has any rights at all. i refuse to accept that i am born in this universe to abide by rules and regulations dictated through any government or corporation which is undoubtedly controlled by rich dipshits who have the illusion of being powerful.

and besides all of that, this is cyberspace....give me a fucking break!

[ericg]

in all of life - so far past the tipping point in the most pivitol time of the whole world, who would've thought they would ever find run of the mill static here!?!

there is something to be said for what really applies to the 'beastie boys'. with virtually no integral and key forces around amidst all the counter-balanced revelations of babel, the stakes are raised and the value's lost where the meaning of everything is concerned. human life continues to lose much for the angled fronts and unreliable, insufferable fools who can't comprehend it, but play it like a rigged lottery.

discredits to human life such as spitefull provocateurs, tag-along 'front' runners, bulldykes, and utterly fake people should be directly discharged from the ao when they only seek to undermine well meaning people and things that add up - not provided a 'mock sanctuary' to trifle and confound as much shit as they can in 'compensation' for their own 'shortcomings'/ 'misgivings'.

like life... maybe this medium isn't taken with due diligence and sincerity by powers that seek to usurp the state of being - hence another breeding ground for bad seeds and next year's devil's advocates slingin' fake rolexes while the place goes stale..

it's been good havin' you here drizl - you'll rep the us well and be a credit to new zealand.

[drizl]

it is interesting that when you go to other countries and travel, and experience different places, you see there are many places around the world that have a lot of anger and are in despair over what takes place in this country, and how it adversely affects everyone else in the world. i remember being in rome a year or so into the iraq war, everyone had "pace" (pah-che) flags hanging out of their windows, their were protestors daily in the streets, and for one protest, the entire city shut down as people peacefully walked through the heart of the city, all day long....

what strikes me is how regular these people were, but how well informed and mindful they also were. regular folk around here are pretty fucking ignorant when it comes to politics and truth. we are lead, and perhaps lead ourselves to believe that we are right, true and in the best interest of everything...

im sure it has a lot to do with media, and corruption (just watched "why we fight" today, EVERYONE should see that film). and it has a lot to do with the way we are raised and the brainwashing that occurs in schools and propaganda that we are taught. when you really look at the US, and see beyond all the bullshit, you see that we are a country addicted to war. we are run on exploitation of resources, of innocent people and of our own corruption which bleeds through every hallway of congress.

there is hope though...things are coming together from many angles. and, i truly believe that in the end, we are headed towards something good and beautiful. that is the basic nature of life- at least 51% good, or we wouldnt be here. and i have faith we will one day understand that, or at least find something else that leads us towards a similar inescapable truth. and we are all capable of recognizing the truth. we might not use the same words to describe it, or the same path to get there, but it is there, always.

so, FUCK THE BULLSHIT! FREE YO MIND AND YO ASS WILL FOLLOW

[drizl]

thanks ericg, good to share some space with you. fuck the bullshit, keep spreading the truth.

[yeahwho]

drizl drazl drozl drome

I think much of the problem Mr. drizl is the Archie Bunker syndrome, a thinly veiled belief in what is wrong with all the world and how it can be fixed with folks like Ron Paul and ericq. If you throw out what is wrong with everything (and drizl you've found problems here on the Beasties Boys Message Board) then somebody disagrees with you, you become an ass. A complete and total ass. Your still doing it, I thought it was just me, but no, it's anybody but ericq. (whats up with that? something going on you two?)

In a way though your total assness is entertaining too many, because one can never tell how much of an ass somebody can be....and it looks like your going for some sort of record. (y) hey, good luck with that drizl. That ass part.

[drizl]

im out, peace.

[tpk]

drizl you were warned because we received complaints about an offensive remark made by you. it is standard procedure for us to go ahead and warn/ban this person when a situation like this occurs. if you don't think this type of moderation is fair i can only suggest for you to leave or accept it cause for the last 8 years it's been working out pretty good with most people having an understanding of the rules and our way of moderating. unfortunately we can't please everyone but i hope you somehow can accept this and i'm sure you wouldn't have to deal with us admins anymore.