Fur you wear it or you are against?

[fucktopgirl]

You wear it, you think it is alright to kill animals and to put them on your body and it look sharp?

Or you think it is cruel and show how much human are inhuman?

[Bob]

well answer it yourself first!

[fucktopgirl]

I did check the pole.

[Bob]

oh but it's not public! i can't tell how you feel about this issue

[TurdBerglar]

all my shoes are leather



i like leather

[QueenAdrock]

I don't agree with wearing fur, so I don't do it, but I'm not one of those people who is going to go throw paint on people who do. I'm not against killing animals if the entire animal is used (for example, killing a cow for meat and leather), but killing for sport is pretty pointless and stupid.

[fucktopgirl]

I am talking about that kind of approach to gain fur.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8280234822897443841&q=fur++farm&total=159&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3



Beware people, it can be really fucking painful to watch!

I dont think we have to right to call ourselves human anymore, more greedy son of a bitch....all in the name of$$$, how sweet!

[Randetica]

only hairy assholes wear fur

[TurdBerglar]

i wish my asshole would wear leather instead


it's like trying to clean peanutbutter out of a shag carpet

[Auton]

hahaha that totally almost ruined my delightful BLT. almost

[ms.peachy]

I don't really have an opposition to rabbit fur. I don't own any, but I do eat rabbit, and I think, you know, it's only appropriate to use as much of an animal as possible if it is going to be killed; to throw useful parts away would be wrong. But I am quite opposed to the farming of animals like minks and chinchillas that are just reared for fur.

[Randetica]

I think, you know, it's only appropriate to use as much of an animal as possible if it is going to be killed; to throw useful parts away would be wrong. But I am quite opposed to the farming of animals like minks and chinchillas that are just reared for fur.

yeah thats how i always thought about it

[QueenAdrock]

My good friend had two chinchillas and they had a little baby chinchilla and they all died of heart attacks and she buried them but secretly I wanted to ask her if I could make mittens before she did. :(

[jammytastic]

my mother has a few furs. ive tried them on and feel all snazzy wearing them about the house for a couple of minutes then i kinda start to feel ill and start thinking i can smell rotting flash.

wear it or dont wear it. whatever you like. nobodies opinion is going to stop the poor little creatures from being bopped on the noggin and skinned alive.

[fucktopgirl]

^ conscientisation of the problem can help a bit , then people can maybe stop encouraging this practice.


I just think we are so cruel and feel superior to everything that is nature on earth and need to abuse it, but that why we are so much deep in shit,we have no fucking respect. This animal cruelty is nothing, i mean, we do that kind of shit to human being too, maybe not skinning them alive , but yea, bombing innocent people, destroying countries because they have a different vision, ideology, of the world.

Anyway, we are one fucking cruel civilization and some laws should be implemented to not let that kind of behavior develop. But we have international laws that suppose to regulate human condition and State relations (ONU) , that does not change a thing.

So yea...:(

[Kid Presentable]

Outlawing the internet would be a good start.

[fucktopgirl]

^ how so?

[Kid Presentable]

S'fucked. Fuck the internet.

[fucktopgirl]

ha

[AceFace]

i get nauseous when i see someone wearing fur close to me. i've come close to blacking out before.

don't want it. don't like it. think it's cruel and sometimes i DO wish i had red paint around (or any other color).
my feeling is... there's plenty of coats running around on people's backs that are 100% not animal.
fur is no longer a necessity to keep us warm. there's no reason other than indulgence to have fur coats or
fur anything else.

also: why is it that some animals seem to "deserve" the fur killings? a lady i work with LOVES dogs,
but she sports a fox fur. that makes NO sense to me. and that little fox head just looks at me all
sad and stuff.

[camo]

I'm for the concept of killing an animal and getting the very most from it ie cow - food, leather etc but killing an animal for fur seems kinda barbaric, especially when they keep the head as part of the ensemble. And it's all kinds of wrong when that animal is endangered.

Besides who in todays society things that fur is fashionable apart from the toffs?

[abcdefz]

If the animal's not endangered, I have no problem with humans using it for clothing.

[Yetra Flam]

Besides who in todays society things that fur is fashionable apart from the toffs?

lots of people

[camo]

lots of people

thats lots of people I haven't seen then

:)

[abcdefz]

Fur is still a status symbol to a lot of people.

[abcdefz]

Don't a lot of men and women wear fur-lined hoods, too?

[camo]

Fur is still a status symbol to a lot of people.

yeah sorry, I'll clarify: Toffs means upperclass

[MC Moot]

I think it's allright in First Nations regalia or attire and I think aboriginal Canadians should retain the right to harvest it for traditional useage and commercial purpose....I can't support "fur farms" or European furs and I think anyone who wears a full mink is a bourgeois vanity pig and I'd like to toss a gallon of red paint on them...:mad:

[abcdefz]

Yeah, but I think it's a status symbol for more than just the rich. Maybe even more so for the less wealthy -- like, sometimes people
who can really afford to throw money around are less impressed with status symbols than people for whom those things are more likely
to be out of reach.

[MC Moot]

Don't a lot of men and women wear fur-lined hoods, too?

It's been a big trend in winter jackets up here in the past 3 years...but the vast majority are faux...

[camo]

I'm just not seeing people on council estates rocking any mink. Yet.

[abcdefz]

It's been a big trend in winter jackets up here in the past 3 years...but the vast majority are faux...



Faux sho.

I thought some of that came from imitating rappers who wear the fur-lined hoods.

[camo]

Faux sho.

awesome. I love it when people stare at me for laughing at my monitor

:D

[Yetra Flam]

anyway, regarding the fur issue, it bothers me but i wouldn't say anything about it. as a vegetarian, i've learned that everyone hates an animal activist, and that i should keep my opinions to myself. Furthermore, i feel like i should have to both explain my reasoning behind my eating habits AND apologise for them, because so many people find my lack of meat-eating inherently offensive.

[AceFace]

anyway, regarding the fur issue, it bothers me but i wouldn't say anything about it. as a vegetarian, i've learned that everyone hates an animal activist, and that i should keep my opinions to myself. Furthermore, i feel like i should have to both explain my reasoning behind my eating habits AND apologise for them, because so many people find my lack of meat-eating inherently offensive.

i'm gonna agree with you on many levels there. i might FEEL like i want to say something, but i know i'll get verbally beat up for having a heart for all animals (except big hairy spiders that jump on me).

[Yetra Flam]

I don't even advertise the fact that I don't eat meat, it only comes up when food is involved and i have to embarrassingly mention that i'm a vegetarian and profusely apologise and then prepare myself for the onslaught of "how can you not eat meat i love meat humans need to eat meat you're not healthy that is not normal i want you to tell me why you think you can live like that we have canine teeth for eating meat you'll grow out of it eventually"

[ms.peachy]

Yeah, but I think it's a status symbol for more than just the rich. Maybe even more so for the less wealthy -- like, sometimes people
who can really afford to throw money around are less impressed with status symbols than people for whom those things are more likely
to be out of reach.

I remember reading, in the late 80' or early 90's, as fur had fallen out of fashion with the well-to-do crowd, that furriers in the US were pitching their products at young black and hispanic women, because they were the demographic most likely to view them as a status symbol, and emblem of having 'made it' in the world (or at least hooked up with a guy who had cash to spend).

[abcdefz]

I remember reading, in the late 80' or early 90's, as fur had fallen out of fashion with the well-to-do crowd, that furriers in the US were pitching their products at young black and hispanic women, because they were the demographic most likely to view them as a status symbol, and emblem of having 'made it' in the world (or at least hooked up with a guy who had cash to spend).



That's kinda the sort of scenario I was thinking of. (y)

[fucktopgirl]

yea, it is a sign of a hight status for the rich fuckers and, of course, the most important,it show the superiority over the animal.

Like , Man is on the top of everything. Always that power trip!

[Randetica]

My good friend had two chinchillas and they had a little baby chinchilla and they all died of heart attacks and she buried them but secretly I wanted to ask her if I could make mittens before she did. :(

haha, yeah it's kinda a waste to throw the fur of some animals away

If the animal's not endangered, I have no problem with humans using it for clothing.

i hate when people think like that

'let's get it and beat the fucking life out of it, doesnt matter cause theres still plenty left'

each animal is more individual than you think so no animal generalizing please
only cause theres a mass of it doesnt mean its not worth shit

[TurdBerglar]

someday they'll figure out how to "grow" animals without a brain(aka soul). they'll just grow attached to some life support mechanism like tomatoes on a vine and you nutty activists will still have something to complain about.

[Schmeltz]

i've learned that everyone hates an animal activist

You got that right. It's ridiculous how some people bitch and moan about how bad animals have it when there are something like two billion human beings living on less than five dollars a day.

[Randetica]

humans have a bigger chance to dig themselves out of shit

but animals in humans hands are fucked or wanked or whatever

[TurdBerglar]

someone should come up with sanctioned and regulated predator sports. like on some massive game reserve have televised lion hunts and pit the seprerate prides of lions against eachother to see who can come up with the most amount of successful kills. there can be like a point system depending on the size and dificulty and the amount of prey taken down in a certain amount of time.

i'd watched that shit.

[Schmeltz]

So cashmere sweaters are a bigger problem than global poverty. I hope you can see why that kind of wackjob animal activism invariably provokes a hostile reaction.

[Schmeltz]

The Romans used to put on just those kind of shows, Turd. And the best part was that the prey was Christians! Now that's my kind of entertainment. (y)

[TurdBerglar]

this time around we can use animal activists instead of christians

[Randetica]

So cashmere sweaters are a bigger problem than global poverty. I hope you can see why that kind of wackjob animal activism invariably provokes a hostile reaction.

pretty idiotic comment

atleast animal activists care for a change, you shoud blame all the people who just lay back and dont give a shit about anything

so animal activists should lay down their shit only cause some people like you think it's not as important than some other things in this world and stop wasting their time and support idiotic politicans instead

[Yetra Flam]

i'm not an animal activist, by the way. i don't like when people assume that i came from peta to convert them. i don't give a shit what other people eat, wear or do with their lives.

[russhie]

So cashmere sweaters are a bigger problem than global poverty. I hope you can see why that kind of wackjob animal activism invariably provokes a hostile reaction.

Ohhh, boy oh boy.

Cashmere is wool, for starters, and a sweater made of cashmere isn't really in the same league as a coat made from the skin of an animal.

You say "activists" who care about fur farming are whackjobs? So people who bleat about global poverty are fucking saints, right? It's exactly the kind of dopey reasoning you display that makes me wonder why I should give two shits about global poverty.

Issues concerning global poverty are complex, and I'm not going to pretend I know anything but the basics about it - but I do know that animals filled the bellies of our predecessors, provided clothing and shelter, and without animals, we probably wouldn't have been able to survive and thrive as a species. Now we have a choice as to how we treat them, and I'm constantly disapointed by the choices people in general make.

"Animal activists" aren't blind to global poverty - to suggest they are is ridiculous.

Animals simply aren't motivated by greed, power, and substance abuse, nor are they exposed to the mental and physical tramuas that can render humans homeless/in poverty. What happens to them ultimately is up to us - I'm yet to hear a decent argument as to why that makes them any less important.

[Randetica]

yeah, what russhie said :D

[fucktopgirl]

Anyway, it all come down to the same thing, the respect toward other being, animal or human, we lack , as a race, compassion and humanity. Fur farming is the product of globalization, mass production, profit, money, it is in the same boat as human poverty, deterioration of nature.

So there, this is a proof that something is quite fucking wrong in the system , and all suffer from it.

I am not an animal activist, i am just really disappointed with human behavior, and it goes to animal cruelty to human poverty and suffering. Like some people mention, killing an animal and eating his flesh, using his skin to be warm, is ok, the first nation did it with respect. Nowadays, we don't need that, we have plenty of textile to be warm. It is basically a futile, vain fashion statement that tell other people how much you fucking suck and are superficial.

[TOY]

I don't go making a mission out of buying something fur. But if I'm given a $$$$ $$ coat, fuck yeah, I'm gonna wear it.

I guess my opinion is the same as of most of you. Killing an animal for sport is wrong/stupid. Killing an animal/HUNTING and actually USING it for meat, fur, etc.- okay.


PETA are fucking nuts. And if it meant wearing fur just to spite them, I could see myself doing that.

[Schmeltz]

So people who bleat about global poverty are fucking saints, right?

No, but they do have their priorities straight. What makes animals less important is the fact that they are just animals - as you pointed out yourself, they're just another resource to be exploited for our own benefit. Of course there's different degrees of right and wrong involved in doing that, but those sorts of questions are insignificant compared to the need to alleviate the suffering of other human beings.

It's ridiculous to devote time, energy, and resources to improving the conditions of a few thousand minks and beavers when hundreds of millions of people have it a lot worse than these animals do. Once we've resolved the deficiencies that produce inequality and injustice among ourselves, we can turn our attention toward improving the lot of our future hamburgers and jackets. But the fact is that no animal will ever be considered equal to a human - except in the minds of weirdo animal activists latching onto fashionable causes.

[ms.peachy]

humans have a bigger chance to dig themselves out of shit

Well, white Western ones do, I suppose.

[fucktopgirl]

Once we've resolved the deficiencies that produce inequality and injustice among ourselves, we can turn our attention toward improving the lot of our future hamburgers and jackets. .

Well, this is the main thing, one thing is relate to the other, people who are farming animal for fur are doing it for survival, if they would not do this, they would be starving. This is all the effect of globalization, like i said earlier.

All this insanity is the product of this wild capitalism. So therefore, if people want to fight animal right , why not, they are fighting something that is outrageous too. The major thing is to be able to have a global vision and see that It is a domino effect, one problem is the root of the other and so on.

So , you cannot dissociate animal cruelty with human poverty, because there is a correlation between them: the world system is fucked and create all sort of subordinate problems.

[abcdefz]

So do you think we have a moral obligation to intercede in the food chain altogether?

[Schmeltz]

This is all the effect of globalization, like i said earlier... So , you cannot dissociate animal cruelty with human poverty, because there is a correlation between them: the world system is fucked and create all sort of subordinate problems.

That correlation is much, much too broad to be meaningful - basically you're saying that any event or trend that takes place in the world is related to every other thing that happens in the world, but that isn't actually saying anything. You might as well say that we cannot dissociate animal cruelty from the AIDS epidemic, when in fact we absolutely can because although globalization affects each of these things, they have nothing to do with each other. If nobody ever bought a fur coat ever again, there would still be rampant poverty in Africa and AIDS would still be an epidemic.

Blaming all the world's ills on "globalization" is lazy thinking, exactly the type of emotive, insubstantial pandering that makes up most of what you read from animal activists.

[fucktopgirl]

We have a moral obligation to stop being immoral and stupid and act with ethics and better values.

[abcdefz]

Whose values? Who gets to decide that?

What I'm saying is: if you think it's unethical to kill animals for useful reasons, isn't it unethical to allow animals to kill animals? Don't we
need to help animals make better choices? And what about plants? Plants are living things also. Are we being discriminatory just because
they don't have brains? Who are we to make such judgments?

[fucktopgirl]

That correlation is much, much too broad to be meaningful - basically you're saying that any event or trend that takes place in the world is related to every other thing that happens in the world, but that isn't actually saying anything.

Hey, i am not gonna write a fucking thesis here, but yea, it make sense and there is a correlation, like it or not.

fur farmer that treat animal like shit are doing it because they cannot fucking grow shit in their own land, which are stolen by multinational, therefore they need to eat and make money, which i am sure they are paid peanut for the fur, another great thing about globalization. But anyway, it has an impact, everything is interconnect, it has nothing to do with a lazy explanation but more with common sense and a capacity to see that sometime things are not obligate to be complicate to make sense.


the massive fur farmer are doing it because they is a high demand in the western world ,in majority. It is not by choice but by imposition which is quite unhealthy.

[fucktopgirl]

Whose values? Who gets to decide that?

What I'm saying is: if you think it's unethical to kill animals for useful reasons, isn't it unethical to allow animals to kill animals? Don't we
need to help animals make better choices? And what about plants? Plants are living things also. Are we being discriminatory just because
they don't have brains? Who are we to make such judgments?

wow, what a strong argumentation, keep it up! I enver said it was unethicla for useful reason, fucking read man. Fur are mainly superficial statement, nobody need that shit to live. farming animal to eat ok, but once again, it has to be done properly and with good living condition for the animal.

It is unethical to kill and and use animal without respect only for this fucking system of consumerism .

[TurdBerglar]

my uncle has fur lined mittens and one of those fur hats with the ear flaps for when he goes on his wid winter hikes with his wife. those things keep you warm as fuck.

[NoFenders]

I don't care what ya wear. I don't have a fur coat, and I'm not planning on buying one anytime soon. I do however have some nice alligator boots. Also, I love leather. Can't get enough. I need it in my car, in my house and on my body. I love it!! I was thinking of nice mink car seats though. Or maybe even the ostrich head liner. Having fun with animals is awesome!!!

:cool:

[Schmeltz]

fur farmer that treat animal like shit are doing it because they cannot fucking grow shit in their own land, which are stolen by multinational, therefore they need to eat and make money, which i am sure they are paid peanut for the fur, another great thing about globalization.

Do you have any evidence for this at all? It sounds like a whole lot of assumptive crap to me. Furriers are not like slash-and-burn subsistence farmers in the rainforest; most fur farming takes place in Northern Europe and North America, through relatively sophisticated and complex operations. You would know that if you had done any actual research on this topic, like the few minutes I just put into it. Your position has nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with your inability to process the notion that things are typically more complicated than Google video would have you believe.

And do you have to curse so much? It makes you sound very juvenile.

[fucktopgirl]

Do you have any evidence for this at all? It sounds like a whole lot of assumptive crap to me. Furriers are not like slash-and-burn subsistence farmers in the rainforest; most fur farming takes place in Northern Europe and North America, through relatively sophisticated and complex operations. You would know that if you had done any actual research on this topic, like the few minutes I just put into it. Your position has nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with your inability to process the notion that things are typically more complicated than Google video would have you believe.

And do you have to curse so much? It makes you sound very juvenile.

Once again this goes as an attack toward me, can you , if you are so FUCKING wise, bring something to the table other then dismissing my opinion and try to denigrate me. When somebody have nothing to say, they try to bring down the other, something that politician do a lot. Well done HomoAnus.

You assumption of me only collecting my info with google video show your lack of intelligence whatsoever. Not because i put a video in the thread that mean that is my only resource of info that build my opinion.

By the way, china is the biggest producer of fur. And i was attacking their fur farming practice to keep you in context.

[abcdefz]

fucktopgirl -- you make sweeping generalizations, your command of the English language isn't the greatest, and rather than make specific,
unemotional citations you say "i am not gonna write a fucking thesis here." What the fuck do you want? How the hell do you expect to
have any credence whatsoever?

[Schmeltz]

If you had done any research you would know that Denmark is actually the world's biggest producer of furs, and that fully 64% of marketed furs are produced in Northern Europe. And you would never have posited the ridiculous notion that fur farmers are destitute people forced off their land by power-hungry multinational corporations. If you want respect, you should try expressing yourself better and supporting your opinions with accurate information.

I mean, if you're attacking the Chinese fur industry, which does indeed have a record of substandard and inhumane practices, why didn't you specify that at the outset of the thread? This is the first time you've mentioned China, but you've made post after post saying how disappointed you are with humanity in general, with rich people, with globalization... the usual cabal of straw men called out by any ideologue with an axe to grind and a poor grasp of how to do research and form an opinion. And then, of course, once somebody dares to point out how insubstantial your position is, you're suddenly a victim of outrageous mistreatment.

Everyone wants to be a martyr, that's the problem.

[AceFace]

It's ridiculous to devote time, energy, and resources to improving the conditions
of a few thousand minks and beavers when hundreds of millions of people have
it a lot worse than these animals do.


do you REALLY think those fur farmers are devoting their extra time,
extra energy and extra resources to help those people in need?
most of those farmers, not all but pretty close to all, give those
animals a horrible life before they are eventually terminated.
just b/c they're guilty of being soft and furry. i just can't get with that.

i just don't think we as "higher beings" have any right to be cruel to
any person or any animal. we have a choice, to treat animals well or
to treat them poorly. i'm in the "treat them well" camp.
i don't expect everyone to be there. i'd just like to be respected for
my opinion and not looked down on b/c i care about furry beings.
i care about people too. i give to the local food bank and clothes
to the local shelter. i also give money to organizations that help animals,
such as the aspca.

there are so many causes and bullshit going on in the world that you
can't devote your whole time to it all. i feel strongly against animal cruelty,
and that, as a human, is what i stand against.

FYI: treating animals poorly can mean lots of things to me, but killing them is the ultimate.

[fucktopgirl]

[QUOTE]If you had done any research you would know that Denmark is actually the world's biggest producer of furs, and that fully 64% of marketed furs are produced in Northern Europe. And you would never have posited the ridiculous notion that fur farmers are destitute people forced off their land by power-hungry multinational corporations. If you want respect, you should try expressing yourself better and supporting your opinions with accurate information.


China is the biggest fur provider for the USA. There, are you more happy.

[NoFenders]

Well, look at the bright side. Protestors will no longer have to throw paint since most furs from China will be laced with lead based paint.

I did realise that I have a real racoon hat with tail and all as well. Just sayin.

:cool:

[fucktopgirl]

fucktopgirl -- you make sweeping generalizations, your command of the English language isn't the greatest, and rather than make specific,
unemotional citations you say "i am not gonna write a fucking thesis here." What the fuck do you want? How the hell do you expect to
have any credence whatsoever?

it is true tho, i am not gonna write a fucking thesis , or an essay , lose my time because you guy are so stupid not to comprehend the simplicity of my statement.

I dont like people who treat animal like they were shit, exploiting them as they were just ''ressource'', that say a lot about human and their power trip and superiority.

And i also say that this mess is a consequence of this modern era of globalization , free market , access to cheap resources. There is a major failure in the system and that is WE think we own everything that in on this earth and that we have the right to abuse , exploited until , until when?

So, my fucking point with the fucking fur farming is that it is fucking stupid and need not to exist. Fashion statement with fur is the apogee of human domination over the animal reign and that just fucking disgust me. We don't have the right to lack respect like this.

fact: human have a cruel nature and are money hungry.




do you fucking comprehend the fucking point.

[fucktopgirl]

Well, look at the bright side. Protestors will no longer have to throw paint since most furs from China will be laced with lead based paint.

I did realise that I have a real racoon hat with tail and all as well. Just sayin.

:cool:

you should wipe your ass with it, that would be so cool too!

[abcdefz]

it is true tho, i am not gonna write a fucking thesis , or an essay , lose my time because you guy are so stupid not to comprehend the simplicity of my statement.

I dont like people who treat animal like they were shit, exploiting them as they were just ''ressource'', that say a lot about human and their power trip and superiority.

And i also say that this mess is a consequence of this modern era of globalization , free market , access to cheap resources. There is a major failure in the system and that is WE think we own everything that in on this earth and that we have the right to abuse , exploited until , until when?

So, my fucking point with the fucking fur farming is that it is fucking stupid and need not to exist. Fashion statement with fur is the apogee of human domination over the animal reign and that just fucking disgust me. We don't have the right to lack respect like this.

fact: human have a cruel nature and are money hungry.




do you fucking comprehend the fucking point.




It's not I can't understand what (I think) you're saying, it's that you just make wild generalizations about an entire
industry with zero substance to back it up.

It's impossible to take your opinions seriously, and yet you get self-righteous about it.

[fucktopgirl]

''China has become the world’s largest exporter of fur garments in just a few years. Many of the international fur traders, manufacturers, and fashion designers have shifted their business to China, where they can exploit China’s cheap labor and the absence of restrictive animal welfare regulations.''


http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/02/24/dogs-and-cats-skinned-alive-for-their-fur-in-china/

[fucktopgirl]

.

(y)

[fucktopgirl]

i gotta say something that will help with my credibility!




fuck

[abcdefz]

i gotta say something that will help with my credibility!




fuck



Hopefully you can rise to the challenge.

It's funny that you're all up in arms about treating animals respectfully and railing against human cruelty, and yet you're the most
abusive poster in this thread.

Physician, heal thyself, you know?

[fucktopgirl]

Hopefully you can rise to the challenge.

It's funny that you're all up in arms about treating animals respectfully and railing against human cruelty, and yet you're the most
abusive poster in this thread.

Physician, heal thyself, you know?

hahah c'mon, because i said fucking and fuck, i am abusive,do i offense you?

You are abusing me too, you also said the word fuck,hehe. Dammit.:rolleyes:

Anyway, it does not take you a lot to become distress or offense.

you should chilled out, i should put this fucking face:D while saying fuck.

[NoFenders]

you should wipe your ass with it, that would be so cool too!


I never said it was cool!!!!!!
Wouldn't that be dead animal cruelty anyway????

:cool:

[Schmeltz]

This is like talking to a four-year-old who just learned the word "fuck." I'm outta here.

[russhie]

No, but they do have their priorities straight. What makes animals less important is the fact that they are just animals - as you pointed out yourself, they're just another resource to be exploited for our own benefit. Of course there's different degrees of right and wrong involved in doing that, but those sorts of questions are insignificant compared to the need to alleviate the suffering of other human beings.

It's ridiculous to devote time, energy, and resources to improving the conditions of a few thousand minks and beavers when hundreds of millions of people have it a lot worse than these animals do. Once we've resolved the deficiencies that produce inequality and injustice among ourselves, we can turn our attention toward improving the lot of our future hamburgers and jackets. But the fact is that no animal will ever be considered equal to a human - except in the minds of weirdo animal activists latching onto fashionable causes.

You wanna talk fashionable causes? Global poverty is latched onto by more celebrities, given the most publicity and is one of the most socially acceptable causes out.

I never said global poverty was a non-issue, I'm more offended at your lack of compassion and totally biased opinion based on backward reasoning. I chooseto care about animals above global poverty, but that doesn't mean you should call me a whackjob with no sense of priority. Not once have I denigrated your decision to try and alleviate global poverty (something I see as largely impossible while greed and power are still driving human action) - perhaps you'd like to show the same respect.

AceFace, yes :)

[Schmeltz]

Anyone who would put the welfare of an animal above that of a human being doesn't have their priorities straight, bottom line. Furthermore, anyone who does consider the plight of an animal more important than that of a fellow person has no business whatsoever lecturing anyone else about compassion.

Just my opinion. And from the way fucktopgirl is carrying on in this thread, surely you see why people react negatively to this kind of silly activism. "Wackjob" doesn't even come close to describing it.

[russhie]

Anyone who would put the welfare of an animal above that of a human being doesn't have their priorities straight, bottom line. Furthermore, anyone who does consider the plight of an animal more important than that of a fellow person has no business whatsoever lecturing anyone else about compassion.

Just my opinion. And from the way fucktopgirl is carrying on in this thread, surely you see why people react negatively to this kind of silly activism. "Wackjob" doesn't even come close to describing it.

Tar everyone with the same brush, huh. Sound reasoning. What still gets me is that your first post in this thread labels people who care about animal welfare "whackjobs". Caring about man above beast, oddly enough, doesn't give you the right to label anyone who doesn't think the same way as yourself.

I could give a shit about how little you care about animals - I'm not here to convert you to my opinion. Just get off your fucking high horse and respect other people's right to choose to treat animals with compassion.

I'm without compassion because I care about animals? Go figure.

[Yetra Flam]

Russhie's totally right here. it's kinda pointless to say "why should we care about the animals when there are so many humans in need." I think you're just being purposely inflammatory.
The bottom line is, people can dedicate their time to helping whatever positive cause they damn want. And there's nothing you can do about that.
Besides, caring for animals does not automatically mean that the welfare for fellow humans is sacrificed.
Jeez man. So much anger.

[Whatitis]

Wearing fur does not mean you do not care about animals. I would bet a lot that do wear fur have pets or a little dog in tow that they care deeply for. They may be a bit nieve about the whole thing but that does not make them a bad person. The problem is that 'activists' will treat you like you are the cruelest person on earth because you have a mink shawl on. I don't wear fur or leather(except for shoes) and love animals but find it very ridiculous when I see 'activists' throw paint on furs. Like environmentalists trashing a Hummer or burning down condos. What the fuck do you think you are doing to that person or buisness that got fucked over?! Making a point?! Only the lowest thinking form of life will fuck with other peoples property.

[Kid Presentable]

Anyone who would put the welfare of an animal above that of a human being doesn't have their priorities straight, bottom line. Furthermore, anyone who does consider the plight of an animal more important than that of a fellow person has no business whatsoever lecturing anyone else about compassion.

Just my opinion. And from the way fucktopgirl is carrying on in this thread, surely you see why people react negatively to this kind of silly activism. "Wackjob" doesn't even come close to describing it.

As fucked up as the human system is, we've never really been short of them. And our circumstances have only really been influenced by our own actions. The people trying to make a change to better other peoples light are noble, no doubt. But it's a system centuries-old that by its very nature predetermines that some must suffer. I don't agree with that, and I'd love to see it change, but I think it's beyond our control as a species. I'm not seeing any compelling changes thus far, anyways.

I have infinitely more compassion for animals than I do for people, but that doesn't necessarily exclude grasping the opinions of people who feel the opposite. As long as you care about something, I guess. *shrugs*

[QueenAdrock]

Anyone who would put the welfare of an animal above that of a human being doesn't have their priorities straight, bottom line.

I'm just gonna say I'd kick the living shit out of a person if they ever tried to lay a finger on my cats or dog.

If that means I don't have my priorties straight, so be it. I love them little fuckers.

[russhie]

No, but they do have their priorities straight. What makes animals less important is the fact that they are just animals - as you pointed out yourself, they're just another resource to be exploited for our own benefit. Of course there's different degrees of right and wrong involved in doing that, but those sorts of questions are insignificant compared to the need to alleviate the suffering of other human beings.


This whole thing pisses me right off. It's like you've gone out of your way to be as inflammatory as possible without resorting to cursing or childish retorts.

I don't normally voice my personal opinions about animal welfare with others (my choices are, after all, my own), but for some reason you have pushed my buttons properly with this thread.

We are mammals. To some of us, humans ARE just another exploitable resource for personal benefit. Sweat shops, slave labour, parts of the sex industry, blah blah.

So tell me why is it that some mammals are worthy of higher importance and compassion than others, when clearly we enjoy exploiting one another just as much as we enjoy exploiting our animal "resources"?

We exploit each other, we exploit animals of all species...which is why I feel the same as Kiddo. I have infinitely more compassion for the animals of this world, but that doesn't mean I don't give a shit about the plight of others.

[Randetica]

This is like talking to a four-year-old who just learned the word "fuck." I'm outta here.

and stay away


people who are like it's just animals should see their pets getting skinned alive then we can talk again

lots of cat and dog fur gets used in case you didnt know and maybe youre wearing that shit without knowing it


no one can 100%ly say if humans were ever meant to eat meat or not so it makes no sense to fight it and you cant stop most people from eating meat anyway but the cruel short life, pains and death those animals go through isnt right, nor fair nor worth a silly jennifer lopass collection and im sure we dont live on the same planet with animals to treat them worse than shit

i bet most would stop wearing fur after they see those killings live, if not youre some cold hearted asshole but right now youre just ignorant cause the reality is too shit for you

[Schmeltz]

It's like you've gone out of your way to be as inflammatory as possible without resorting to cursing or childish retorts.

I think you're just being purposely inflammatory.
Jeez man. So much anger.

And so much laughter. (y)

Yes, my goal in this thread was mostly to bait fucktopgirl; I lost all respect for her when she informed us that she refused to vaccinate her kid on the say-so of some dubious video she found online. It's kind of funny to watch her flail around, and I was snowbound all day so I had little else to do. And it worked! :D

For what it's worth, I do feel that there are more important issues than animal cruelty confronting human society right now, and I do feel that most animal activism proceeds from reactionary and emotive sentiment rather than sober and rational consideration. But there's certainly nothing wrong with waking people up to the dark side of the fur trade, or with having compassion for the animals exploited therein. Poor little gaffers. So if that's your thing, roll with it by all means.

Sorry for getting some people riled, fucktopgirl's were the only feathers I meant to ruffle. Maybe I should get a different hobby.

[venusvenus123]

China is the biggest fur provider for the USA. There, are you more happy.

China has the worst record on human rights. they do not allow any political protest, they have the world's highest rate of capital punishment (around 10,000 per year), their working conditions are notoriously bad, etc etc. it's hardly surprising that their treatment of animals is sub-standard.

i think the point schmeltz and a-z are making is that humans the world over suffer a far worse fate than animals, so why do you care so much about chinchillas? you can be sure that the people working on those fur farms have a dreadful life.

i get what you're saying, but i could only really care about it if maltreatment of animals were the only thing wrong with the world. it just doesn't register that high on my care-o-meter. i mean, i care enough about animals to try to buy meat and dairy that is ethically sourced, but i don't think about it beyond that--there's too much other hideous stuff going on in the world to be concerned about.

i own a parka with a fur-trimmed (coyote) hood and i don't feel a huge amount of shame in that. the fur is beautiful; i've had the jacket for at least 6 years and it shows no sign of wear. perhaps it's ecologically sound to wear a bit of fur and leather as the products last a long time. full length fur coats are pretty hideous tho. :(

i'm amazed by the number of people who care more about animals than people...!:eek:

[Randetica]

i'm amazed by the number of people who care more about animals than people...!:eek:


yeah i would spend all my money to help one ant but starving kids in africa? who cares..

you missed the point

and feel free to feel more shame, kthnx (y)

[Otis Driftwood]

A people can take care of itself. An animal can only do that unmolested by humans. There is no need to "help" any animal that is not threatened by polution or gun-toting maniacs.

[Randetica]

why should we help poor people anyway, thats bono's job

[fucktopgirl]

Sorry for getting some people riled, fucktopgirl's were the only feathers I meant to ruffle. Maybe I should get a different hobby.


By the way,did not get me at all!!

[Randetica]

By the way,did not get me at all!!

glad you take it that easy, i would probably kill myself after reading that schmeltz lost his e-respect for me

[fucktopgirl]

i think the point schmeltz and a-z are making is that humans the world over suffer a far worse fate than animals, so why do you care so much about chinchillas? you can be sure that the people working on those fur farms have a dreadful life.

I just dont care about chinchilla: dog, cat, minks, fox,I am also really upset with the whale hunting and so on.
And i know that those farmers do this to survive like i mention, it is a consequence of the world today. I never represent myself as the ultimate protector of the animal, it just that it bother me like lots of others things.

[Schmeltz]

So, my fucking point with the fucking fur farming is that it is fucking stupid and need not to exist.

do you fucking comprehend the fucking point.

It's kind of funny to watch her flail around

(y)

[fucktopgirl]

glad you take it that easy, i would probably kill myself after reading that schmeltz lost his e-respect for me

haha really?:D

hey, everybody come here to vent, exchange and put some action. I had not much to do either yesterday so..

[fucktopgirl]

(y)

:D this was the state of mind tho.

[Schmeltz]

Really? Even though reading your crap is like watching a child throw a tantrum in a drugstore because her mother won't buy her a candy bar?

[fucktopgirl]

Really? Even though reading your crap is like watching a child throw a tantrum in a drugstore because her mother won't buy her a candy bar?

well, maybe i am a bit kiddo at time but yea, i was never frustrated , i was more making a poesy with the word fuck, obviously it was not a success.

I am FUCKtopgirl anyway...

[Randetica]

cant say i always agree with fucktop but i love it when people speak out their opinions doesnt matter how shit/unpopular they are (y)

anyway dont do any cruelty to animals nor support it or ill come and smash your head in :)

[NoFenders]

I don't go making a mission out of buying something fur. But if I'm given a $$$$ $$ coat, fuck yeah, I'm gonna wear it.

I guess my opinion is the same as of most of you. Killing an animal for sport is wrong/stupid. Killing an animal/HUNTING and actually USING it for meat, fur, etc.- okay.


PETA are fucking nuts. And if it meant wearing fur just to spite them, I could see myself doing that.

Well said! :cool:

[Randetica]

i wish i could be a member of them http://www.vgt.at/

anytime i walk by at those people i want to hug them and tell them how much respect they deserve for what they do (y)

[ToucanSpam]

GROSS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZr3JWYdy8)


Why do people wear these fox things around their neck? It's gross.

[Randetica]

GROSS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZr3JWYdy8)


Why do people wear these fox things around their neck? It's gross.

hahaha





stop :mad:

[ToucanSpam]

hahaha





stop :mad:

NOE.:mad:


It's too lulzy.