Amy Winehouse

[Lex Diamonds]

Here (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article710911.ece) is a new video of her smoking crack and apparently on all sorts of other shit. She mentions how she has taken 6 valiums just to come down. I mean, what a waste of money. If you're gonna spend cash to get fucked up on coke and E then don't undo the effects with valium, dumbass!

But on a serious note, I really feel for the girl. She was known around London 5 or 6 years ago before she was famous and she always seemed quite down to earth and passionate about her music. Seeing her like this now kinda upsets me. I hope she can pull herself out of it before she kills herself, that would be a great tragedy. She is incredibly talented and doesn't need all this shit.

[ms.peachy]

Yeah, but she gon' die.

[jabumbo]

she was fairly desirable at some point


but damn girl, you've gone a long way

[adam_f]

Whenever she does die, I'll probably have forgotten she wasn't dead already.

[TurdBerglar]

i have no sympathy for addicts

[camo]

She was known around London 5 or 6 years ago before she was famous and she always seemed quite down to earth and passionate about her music. Seeing her like this now kinda upsets me. I hope she can pull herself out of it before she kills herself, that would be a great tragedy. She is incredibly talented and doesn't need all this shit.

didn't she start off as an mc or something along those lines?

[ms.peachy]

didn't she start off as an mc or something along those lines?

I don't think so; first I heard of her was in 2002 or 3 and she was more of a jazz singer. Unless she was mc'ing before that or something, but I'm not aware of that.

[camo]

yeah, wiki doesn't say anything about it. I'm sure that I saw a really old video of her in some lame ass hip hop outfit.

Maybe I need to go to rehab too?

[NoFenders]

Yeah, but she gon' die.


LMAO!!!

:cool:

[Lex Diamonds]

When I first started hearing about her in '02 she was jazz, yeah.

It's nice to see you people are so considerate of people with problems. Next time I develop a life-destroying addiction I'll know not to bother coming here for advice.

[Guy Incognito]

It's nice to see you people are so considerate of people with problems. Next time I develop a life-destroying addiction I'll know not to bother coming here for advice.

Padster, i am not having a go here but if you did develop a life-destroying addiction there is a possibility you wouldnt listen to any advice, just like she isnt. She's possibly past the point, i dunno, but there is only such sympathy i can give her when loads of people close to her are saying pack it in. Soz

[NoFenders]

I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who make a decision to smoke crack. Maybe if she was part of my family it'd be different. I personally know one person who got themselves clean of that crap. The rest (3) are MIA. I heard one was in jail in Vegas for robbing a gas station, and while trying to get away, jumped off a 2 story roof, breaking almost every bone in his legs and feet. The other 2 are completely gone. Not dead, (that I know of) but probably in some shack curled up in a corner. All of these people came from great homes, and families who loved them. These families have been torn apart because of one person's selfish decision to smoke a pipe. Now most have been robbed of everything, and they know it was their own child who did it. Amy Whinehouse had everything going for her. She's decided to make drugs her priority. How can I feel sory for that?????

:cool:

[Lex Diamonds]

I'm not saying people here should try and advise her, I'm just saying you're all inconsiderate cunts and I hope you die slow.

[ms.peachy]

It's nice to see you people are so considerate of people with problems. Next time I develop a life-destroying addiction I'll know not to bother coming here for advice.

Oh don't be so bleedin' po-faced; you know this isn't an AA meeting. Listen - I really do feel for her, the way the paps follow her around recording her every move, that is no doubt a shitty way to live, and it's probably enough to fuck anybody up. But at the end of the day, she is blowing this for herself (no pun intended); she has everything to live for and she's throwing it away, and no one can change that but her.

[NoFenders]

I'm not saying people here should try and advise her, I'm just saying you're all inconsiderate cunts and I hope you die slow.

What, you only feel sorry for people who smoke crack, and not the people who don't???

:cool:

[Lex Diamonds]

That's correct, asshole!

[NoFenders]

she has everything to live for and she's throwing it away, and no one can change that but her.

Ahhhh yes. The words of truth. There's a saying I live my life by.

"You are the only problem you will ever have, and baby, you are the only solution."

If you can live by those words, you'll be far better off in life.

:cool:

[cookiepuss]

well she checked into rehab today.


celebwarship.com (http://www.celebwarship.com/wp/?p=7558)A day after being caught on video smoking crack, Amy Winehouse checked into a North West London rehab facility. The singer, accompanied by her father Mitch, entered the Edwards House private clinic.

This isn’t Amy’s first trip to rehab, so let’s hope she takes this trip more seriously than the previous attempts.

and the real victory here is that she got rid of her horrible blonde hair and went back to the black behive (with the help of extensions I assume). yay. she's on th road to recovery.:rolleyes:

[NoFenders]

That's correct, asshole!


K, just checkin.


Anyway, how long has crack been around????? I mean, I think 3yr olds know that smoking crack is highly addictive and will most certainly destroy everything you've known and loved. How are people still clueless to this pebble sized devil???? Homeless,unemployed,sick,and hopeless all balled together might be a tolerable excuse to smoke the junk.Maybe it gives some release on just how fucked up their life is, and they can hide from problems and society for one more hour. But to have all that, and then decide to try crack. WTF???? Sorry, I just don't see anything but selfish ways, that will only hurt other people.

It's great to hear she's in re-hab though. Good luck to her.

:cool:

[Parkey]

ROCK STAR DOES DRUGS IN OWN HOUSE!!!

Whenever I've met her she's been really nice. A nice junkie, but nice nonetheless...

[Rock]

She has really hairy arms.

http://www.celebwarship.com/wp/wp-content/Uploads/amy-winehouse-crack-1228-2.jpg

oh...i just found out she may have some eating disorders....so that may be why.

[RobMoney$]

It's 14:59 for this broad.
I mean seriously, she's more famous for being a mess than for her music.
She's got one borderline hit. WHO CARES!

I'm kind of tired of hearing about how fucked up she is.


...and Paddy, if you cared soo much for the girls well-being, why would you post a video of her smoking crack in the first place?

[Guy Incognito]

It's 14:59 for this broad.




Where have you got 14:59 from? Whats all that about?

[Videodrome]

her 15 minutes of fame is up!

[RobMoney$]

ALSO, taking valium or anything else won't "Bring you down" from speeding on coke & excasty. That's not quite how it works, LOL.
That's just something someone would say to justify taking a down with an up.

[roosta]

Amy Wine House (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0jEVl-1RSQ4)

[TurdBerglar]

don't do retarded shit that's known by all to cause addiction, you dumb fucks

[Whatitis]

Amy Wine House (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0jEVl-1RSQ4)

That's pretty cool.

[Documad]

She's quite talented so I do feel like it's a horrible waste. Was it all for the love of that runty husband? Or was she fucked up before she met him? I don't know her back story, but I'm a sucker for women who sing like Ronnie Spector.

And that Rehab song was the best single of the year.

[Randetica]

she can die but i want her voice to stay

[mathcart]

don't do retarded shit that's known by all to cause addiction, you dumb fucks

I think you got it twisted here son, addicts do retarded shit BECAUSE of their addiction you ignorant asshole.

BTW if this isn't a sure sign that 2008 is the year of the apocalypse, I don't know what is- I just read two consecutive threads where mutha fuckin Padster was the voice of reason! God damn, lets all start takin' stock of our lives, the end is nigh...

[TurdBerglar]

what?

are you an addict?

fuck addicts. don't try something that's known to cause addiction. pretty fucking simple. that's what im saying. can't get addicted to alcohol, crack, heroin, or whatever if you've never done it. don't do stupid shit, can't get addicted. addiction is caused by the own person's foolish judgement.

[mathcart]

stay away from addicting shit is what im saying

Is that what people battling addictions are doing wrong? Why is it that your only now telling the world how to SOLVE their chemical dependency issues. You selfish prick, are you also sitting on the cure for cancer and refusing to share that too? Your not doing much here to make me back off my "you ignorant asshole" line of thought on this issue.

[Randetica]

what?

are you an addict?

fuck addicts. don't try something that's known to cause addiction. pretty fucking simple. that's what im saying. can't get addicted to alcohol, crack, heroin, or whatever if you've never done it. don't do stupid shit, can't get addicted. addiction is caused by the own person's foolish judgement.

yes indeed and i doubt their life is so much worse so it's impossible to live without that shit, they just need to grow some balls and stop being shit

[TurdBerglar]

DON'T DO DRUGS... CAN'T GET ADDICTED



SIMPLE

[TurdBerglar]

i could certainly understand if no one knew these things caused life threatening addictions... but who the fuck doesn't?

[RobMoney$]

Addicts never start out thinking they'll become addicted to something. It's not like they think "Hey I know crack is highly addictive, but I think I'd enjoy crack addiction so I'ma give it a try today"

They think "Hey, I know everyone says this stuff is highly addictive but I won't become addicted. I can do it and not get addicted because I can quit whenever I want. I'll just do it this once, or maybe twice. Also, I don't want my friends to think I'm a pussy so I'ma give into the peer pressure and do this shit"....next thing you know you're doing it all the time.
How many times have you heard addicts say "But I can quit anytime if I wanted to or had to, I just don't want to."

[TurdBerglar]

that's not an addict that's just a fool

[Randetica]

i could certainly understand if no one knew these things caused life threatening addictions... but who the fuck doesn't?

IM WIT CHU

bad luck if you die because of drugs, you decided to slowly suicide yourself over the years all your choice so dont ask for any sympathy

[mathcart]

what?

A)fuck addicts. don't try something that's known to cause addiction. pretty fucking simple. that's what im saying.
B)can't get addicted to alcohol, crack, heroin, or whatever if you've never done it. don't do stupid shit, can't get addicted. addiction is caused by the own person's foolish judgement.

There seems to be 2 parts to your argument here:
Part A is that your an asshole. I don't know you but this is a pretty ignorant thing to say and as such its a waste of time to even try to debate.

Part B is a little more nuanced. While you are technically correct, it misses the point entirely that addicts suffer from a disease that causes their, "foolish judgment". I'm not saying their aren't bad choices being made by them, but shit- this is the same reasoning that allows people to condone the criminalization of addicts, and which has lead to massive incarceration of so many non-violent drug offenders who in many ways had their lives ruined as much by being treated a as a criminal instead of a as a person needing medical care. These are sick people who need help and you can tell a lot about a society by how they treat those who are the most vulnerable.
The drug war is really fucked up and this reasoning feeds into allowing it to continue, I guess is my point.
If it helps this any, I'm sorry I called you an asshole. Ignorant was fine.

[TurdBerglar]

i feel it's highly ignorant to try known highly addictive substances...


you're just playing russian roulette

[TurdBerglar]

i have no sympathy for people that dig themselves into such obvious holes

[Kid Presentable]

Turd doesn't really understand the world, you guys. Give him time to live his life a little.

[hitmonlee]

ALSO, taking valium or anything else won't "Bring you down" from speeding on coke & excasty. That's not quite how it works, LOL.
That's just something someone would say to justify taking a down with an up.

it does chill you out though.

[hitmonlee]

i feel it's highly ignorant to try known highly addictive substances...


you're just playing russian roulette

Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?

i have no sympathy for people that dig themselves into such obvious holes

they probably don't care for or want your sympathy. they probably just want to take drugs. the only thing that brings them any joy whatsoever.

[Randetica]

maybe some start taking drugs cause they think they will be a celebrity one day!


well stop being such a mass product and do things only cause others do it and use your own brain before it gets damaged by drugs

[mathcart]

i feel it's highly ignorant to try known highly addictive substances...


you're just playing russian roulette

SO you don't drink coffee? You never had a drink in your life? This is such horseshit moralizing. Most people are of the opinion that they want to judge experiences for themselves- not take other peoples word for it. Especially with the "Just say NO" school of teaching kids about drugs where accurate information wasn't exactly freely given to those most likely to start using drugs. This is not a black and white issue and insisting it is, I'm sorry to tell you, just makes you come off looking ignorant. Thats all I'm sayin'

[Randetica]

nah turd's right and if you wouldnt be so full of drugs you would totally see it


theres too many high bags on here so it makes no sense to continue this, get clean first

[RobMoney$]

Drugs, Alcohol, Tobacco, Gambling, Cheating on your wife, video games,...hell, even internet message boards can be unhealthy addictions.

People have lost marriages, family, their jobs, cars, homes, ect. over all types of addictions like internet chats.

Different people get addicted to different things, but anything can become unhealthy to someone with an addicts' thought process.

[Kid Presentable]

^^^To be fair, neither Randy nor Turd are particularly known for busy, fulfilling lives outside of here. Saying "Don't take addictive stuff=wont get addicted=simple" is like saying "don't go outside=won't get hit by car". So many variables in life lead a person to addiction, man. It's never as simple as you guys are making it. Yeah it's silly, but it's also a genuine illness.

[TurdBerglar]

i don't drink coffee and been drunk maybe three to four times in my life. my family drinks. no one is an alcoholic in my imediate family but there's alcoholics down the line. growing up being around my whole family piss drunk during a holiday was very disturbing to me as a kid. everyone i know is a social drinker and always try to get me to drink with them and it pisses them off when i always decline. i hate being around people that are intoxicated. i just feel really really disgusted by it all being around intoxicated people. i have a very very hard time respecting people that make a habbit out of getting drunk/high. i don't enjoy it myself and find it pathetic when it's done habitualy by others.

[Kid Presentable]

i don't drink coffee and been drunk maybe three to for times in my life. my family drinks. no one is an alcoholic in my imediate family but there's alcoholics down the line. growing up being around my whole family piss drunk during a holiday was very disturbing to me as a kid. everyone i know is a social drinker and always try to get me to drink with them and it pisses them off when i always decline. i hate being around people that are intoxicated. i just feel really really disgusted by it all being around intoxicated people. i have a very very hard time respecting people that make a habbit out of getting drunk/high. i don't enjoy it myself and find it pathetic when it's done habitualy by others.

Well, tough shit cause the word is filled with it. Don't like being around intoxicated people, don't go outside. SIMPLE.

[hitmonlee]

and sometimes, addiction is a choice. like a hobby. i tried to illustrate that in my post.

[TurdBerglar]

Well, tough shit cause the word is filled with it. Don't like being around intoxicated people, don't go outside. SIMPLE.

or you can just not associate with those types

[RobMoney$]

I'm sure there's a crackhead out there somewhere who has absolutely no respect for people who spend all their free time on internet MB's because their Dad cheated on their Mom with some internet skank.

[Kid Presentable]

or you can just not associate with those types

People who drink?

[mathcart]

nah turd's right and if you wouldnt be so full of drugs you would totally see it


theres too many high bags on here so it makes no sense to continue this, get clean first


oh, I see... (wait for it) your an idiot.


Drugs, Alcohol, Tobacco, Gambling, Cheating on your wife, video games,...hell, even internet message boards can be unhealthy addictions.

People have lost marriages, family, their jobs, cars, homes, ect. over all types of addictions like internet chats.

Different people get addicted to different things, but anything can become unhealthy to someone with an addicts' thought process.


This is a very good point and I think it only serves to reinforce mine, people who are predisposed to being addicts can still suffer from their disease if they, as the vocal minority here would have them do, "don't do drugs can't get addicted" I believe it was.



^^^To be fair, neither Randy nor Turd are particularly known for busy, fulfilling lives outside of here. Saying "Don't take addictive stuff=wont get addicted=simple" is like saying "don't go outside=won't get hit by car". So many variables in life lead a person to addiction, man. It's never as simple as you guys are making it. Yeah it's silly, but it's also a genuine illness.


word!


i don't drink coffee and been drunk maybe three to for times in my life. my family drinks. no one is an alcoholic in my imediate family but there's alcoholics down the line. growing up being around my whole family piss drunk during a holiday was very disturbing to me as a kid. everyone i know is a social drinker and always try to get me to drink with them and it pisses them off when i always decline. i hate being around people that are intoxicated. i just feel really really disgusted by it all being around intoxicated people. i have a very very hard time respecting people that make a habbit out of getting drunk/high. i don't enjoy it myself and find it pathetic when it's done habitualy by others.


This is a very personal quote and I find that whenever people do this in a discussion its to showcase their own attachment to the issue, and to deflect attention away from the argument their making (its surprisingly effective). In other words, dude this is your shit. You don't hate addicts, you clearly hate how you feel about addicts, or how they make you feel about yourself, or something like that. I'm no psychologist, but I can read. Anyway, if no one in your family is an addict (as you say) then your family being asses when their drunk is a poor rationale for your condemnation of all addicts. Again this is the whole your argument is making you come off looking ignorant thing.

[Randetica]

^^^To be fair, neither Randy nor Turd are particularly known for busy, fulfilling lives outside of here. Saying "Don't take addictive stuff=wont get addicted=simple" is like saying "don't go outside=won't get hit by car". So many variables in life lead a person to addiction, man. It's never as simple as you guys are making it. Yeah it's silly, but it's also a genuine illness.


sounds like a bunch of lame excuses

the internet wont kill me and compared to drugs it's nothing, most are addicted to something but most addictions are not as retarded/dangerous like drugs and it's your fault if you started taking them and you wont get my sympathy if that shit shortens your life cause you decided to take that risk

my risk would be to get an e-virus or have to pay for porn some day, not really comparable

[TurdBerglar]

People who drink?




people that drink too much

that's the problem i have


people that go out 2-4 times a week and just get shitfaced.


or the person that only drinks like once a month or even longer than that and drinks till they black out.

i have no problem with the person that just kicks back and has a few every so often.

[mathcart]

I'm sure there's a crackhead out there somewhere who has absolutely no respect for people who spend all their free time on internet MB's because their Dad cheated on their Mom with some internet skank.

This made me laugh

[Randetica]

oh, I see... (wait for it) your an idiot.

it's "you're" but thanks for the wise comment, rehab time for you and see you later or probably never again

[RobMoney$]

Randy is my e-skank.

[mathcart]

sounds like a bunch of lame excuses

the internet wont kill me and compared to drugs it's nothing, most are addicted to something but most addictions are not as retarded/dangerous like drugs and it's your fault if you started taking them and you wont get my sympathy if that shit shortens your life cause you decided to take that risk

my risk would be to get an e-virus or have to pay for porn some day, not really comparable



Drugs, Alcohol, Tobacco, Gambling, Cheating on your wife, video games,...hell, even internet message boards can be unhealthy addictions.

People have lost marriages, family, their jobs, cars, homes, ect. over all types of addictions like internet chats.

Different people get addicted to different things, but anything can become unhealthy to someone with an addicts' thought process.



Randetica meet RobMoney
He'll set ya straight here...

[mathcart]

it's "you're" but thanks for the wise comment, rehab time for you and see you later or probably never again

though it seems the issue is that your an ass

[Kid Presentable]

sounds like a bunch of lame excuses

the internet wont kill me and compared to drugs it's nothing, most are addicted to something but most addictions are not as retarded/dangerous like drugs and it's your fault if you started taking them and you wont get my sympathy if that shit shortens your life cause you decided to take that risk

my risk would be to get an e-virus or have to pay for porn some day, not really comparable

The biggest side effect is that you're stunted as to reality because you simply don't know what you're talking about.

I have no problem with people making their choice to stay away from drugs/drinks or whatever. But addiction is much more complex than "Your fault too bad". Everybody is walking a fine line in keeping their lives together. Some weird combination of situations can strike at random and you can end up in some pretty messed up scenarios without trying. Yes even if you have networks and friends/families.

I've been on the side that thinks addiction is a very dumb move. I relate to what you're saying. Have you or Turd fought chemical addictions? Or is it just easier to pretend the world is just a matter of 'editing' your decisions like a messageboard?

[Kid Presentable]

people that drink too much

that's the problem i have


people that go out 2-4 times a week and just get shitfaced.


or the person that only drinks like once a month or even longer than that and drinks till they black out.

i have no problem with the person that just kicks back and has a few every so often.

Just trying to figure it out, man. The whole addiction issue is a bit more complex, though.

[TurdBerglar]

you can't get a chemical addiction of you avoid the god damn chemicals!


am i wrong?

[Randetica]

Randetica meet RobMoney
He'll set ya straight here...

start making sense, amy winehouse

the internet could never own me like that, drugs obviously can just look at your posts

[Randetica]

Randy is my e-skank.

dat with pride (y)

[Kid Presentable]

you can't get a chemical addiction of you avoid the god damn chemicals!


am i wrong?

You should tell some junkies that. It's really oversimplifying it, to the point of being redundant.

[Randetica]

though it seems the issue is that your an ass

scratch together some points, get clean and then talk to me again

[TurdBerglar]

no one forced them to try whatever it is that makes them junkies.


sure they might have had a fucked up life. sure they may have been pressured into it. why make it worse, though, by taking the chance of becoming a junky. to me it's not worth it the risk.

[Kid Presentable]

You should be thankful that your life is so straightforward.

[TurdBerglar]

just seeing people strung out on shit is what made me make this discision. i don't see how anyone can want to do these things that have a risk of causing chemical dependencies. i know i sound like a fucking prude or something but it's the truth.

[RobMoney$]

My personal fav are the junkies with Cirrhosis and Hep C who tell me they can quit if they really had to.

[Kid Presentable]

just seeing people strung out on shit is what made me make this discision. i don't see how anyone can want to do these things that have a risk of causing chemical dependencies. i know i sound like a fucking prude or something but it's the truth.

Nah man, sorry if I came off on the offensive there. I hear ya. It's worth getting youse guyses perspective and shit, even if I don't agree with it.

[mathcart]

scratch together some points, get clean and then talk to me again

whatever

At least Turds off topic stuff was relevant to the conversation, your just being a horses ass, and frankly I'm embarrassed I got dragged down to your level. This is the level of debate I would expect from a nursery schooler.
As for you being unable find my points, I suggest you reread this thread and see for yourself who comes off as making valid points about this issue.

[Randetica]

You should be thankful that your life is so straightforward.

yeah cause only people who take drugs have a tough life, right

my life is probably more fucked up than yours but i decided to stay away from that shit cause it make things worse instead of being a help

maybe im just stronger than you or been clever enough not to hang around with the wrong people

[Kid Presentable]

yeah cause only people who take drugs have a tough life, right

my life is probably more fucked up than yours but i decided to stay away from that shit cause it make things worse instead of being a help

maybe im just stronger than you or been clever enough not to hang around with the wrong people

I was more suggesting that people who have been through hard times are possibly more susceptible to drug use, and eventual addiction. Maybe you are pretty strong, but spending all your time inside isn't going to prove that.

[Randetica]

whatever

At least Turds off topic stuff was relevant to the conversation, your just being a horses ass, and frankly I'm embarrassed I got dragged down to your level. This is the level of debate I would expect from a nursery schooler.
As for you being unable find my points, I suggest you reread this thread and see for yourself who comes off as making valid points about this issue.

you called me an ass which i dont really mind but it shows it's a waste of time to talk to you so give up and grow up first

[mathcart]

no one forced them to try whatever it is that makes them junkies.


sure they might have had a fucked up life. sure they may have been pressured into it. why make it worse, though, by taking the chance of becoming a junky. to me it's not worth it the risk.

While its definitely true that no one put a gun to their head, the point I was trying to make was that in a lot of ways the people who become hardcore junkies/alcoholics/addicts where that way before they had their first fix. Its the wiring of their brain chemistry that causes it not the psychological dependency of the drug. Otherwise how could you account for the people that only have a drink or two or that tried cocaine and heroin just a few times and decided it wasn't for them. You couldn't unless it had to do with the individuals not the substances. In these cases just not trying these things doesn't make them not addicts- it makes that not aware that they are.

[Randetica]

I was more suggesting that people who have been through hard times are possibly more susceptible to drug use, and eventual addiction. Maybe you are pretty strong, but spending all your time inside isn't going to prove that.

umm im outside all the time
and i had a lot of hard times but you dont see me taking drugs, do you

it's pretty sad that taking drugs became normal, glad i didnt jump on the wagon

[Kid Presentable]

umm im outside all the time
and i had a lot of hard times but you dont see me taking drugs, do you

it's pretty sad that taking drugs became normal, glad i didnt jump on the wagon

Good for you. You should go and speak at AA meetings.

[mathcart]

I was more suggesting that people who have been through hard times are possibly more susceptible to drug use, and eventual addiction. Maybe you are pretty strong, but spending all your time inside isn't going to prove that.


This may be apocryphal. I don't know there is any proven link between people in more desperate situations abusing drugs in higher numbers than those leading happy content lives. People who go down the spiral of addiction tend to lead very stressful lives, but that is not what is the root cause of their addiction. Again it would seem to be a brain chemistry thing.

[Randetica]

Good for you. You should go and speak at AA meetings.

you should get some help, everyone who takes drugs should
in fact you needed help before you decided to take drugs or you wouldnt take drugs

good luck

[mathcart]

whatever

At least Turds off topic stuff was relevant to the conversation, your just being a horses ass, and frankly I'm embarrassed I got dragged down to your level. This is the level of debate I would expect from a nursery schooler.
As for you being unable find my points, I suggest you reread this thread and see for yourself who comes off as making valid points about this issue.



yeah cause only people who take drugs have a tough life, right

my life is probably more fucked up than yours but i decided to stay away from that shit cause it make things worse instead of being a help

maybe im just stronger than you or been clever enough not to hang around with the wrong people


case in point...

[TurdBerglar]

that's why you don't try it ever! christ! and i again i know it sounds good two shoes and childish, but fuck.


that's the reason why i don't do it. my family is predisposed to enjoying booze way too much. im not taking that fucking risk. and maybe i am a hipocrite because i can't say i've never been drunk. but i tried and did enjoy.... the feeling, but i did not enjoy my behavior or state of mind after the fact and said no more. i highly doubt the average addict gets hook after three tries. maybe im wrong. sure it's possible, but for the average person to become addicted it takes effort from what i've seen.


and especially for someone to say... hey! im gonna try some crack right now!(or any other highly addictive substance more than just alcohol)... how can you respect that person that's taking such a huge risk to their well being and to those that depend on them?

[Kid Presentable]

you should get some help, everyone who takes drugs should
in fact you needed help before you decided to take drugs or you wouldnt take drugs

good luck

Again, you know fuck all about what you're saying. I smoke a little weed, drink a couple brews. I'm good. You need to chill the fuck out, but I won't say how.

[Randetica]

case in point...

wheres your point? that you quote your own lame posts?

well show little kids your posts and they will never take drugs cause they would be too scared to end up like you

congrats! youre a hero!

[Randetica]

Again, you know fuck all about what you're saying. I smoke a little weed, drink a couple brews. I'm good. You need to chill the fuck out, but I won't say how.

im pretty calm and youre not even a real druggie! get out of my eyes and learn how to do drugs right, fucking poser

[mathcart]

just seeing people strung out on shit is what made me make this discision. i don't see how anyone can want to do these things that have a risk of causing chemical dependencies. i know i sound like a fucking prude or something but it's the truth.

I actually agree with you a hundred percent here. I have no interest in anything that would cause me to be chemically dependent. But that is because that is how our brains work, its not the same for an addict.

theres some interesting things here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction) on this subject. This is a debate that people have been having for a long time it seems...

[DandyFop]

I'm addicted to cheese that is melted on things and it's making me fat. Boo hoo.

[hitmonlee]

you can't get a chemical addiction of you avoid the god damn chemicals!


am i wrong?

your brain is full of chemcials. this is why people become addicted to things that make them happy - like hobbies, sex, and exercise. its all about the chemicals released in your brain. so not really sure how you plan on avoiding chemicals.

when you eat chocolate your brain releases dopamine.

[Kid Presentable]

Brilliant, you fucking weird shit. Randy, I mean hohohoho I didn't think anybody else was posting

[hitmonlee]

yeah cause only people who take drugs have a tough life, right

my life is probably more fucked up than yours but i decided to stay away from that shit cause it make things worse instead of being a help

maybe im just stronger than you or been clever enough not to hang around with the wrong people

and it seems to be working for you so well. tell me have you managed to go outside and hold down a job, meet a guy, or do any of the things that you say you can't do because of your condition.

maybe some drugs is just what you need, mon.

[Randetica]

my brainical chemicals tell me high people are fucking gross and trashy!

well anyway i have to get out now and fight my fight without dumping my brain before, baii

[Kid Presentable]

hahaha no way she left...

[paul jones]

I fucking hate Amy Winehouse

[mathcart]

At least Turds off topic stuff was relevant to the conversation... I suggest you reread this thread and see for yourself who comes off as making valid points about this issue.


You've mostly just been rude. I admit I was too and I apologize for that. but the record on this is pretty clear...

However when you have articulated points, like the ones below they come off as arrogant and ignorant. The worst bit is that crap at the end about you being stronger and cleverer and implying your moral superiority. It isn't just you, I think this is something that gets thrown in the faces of addicts frequently and strikes me as being the most loathsome bit of crap. The last think someone who is trying to get control of their life needs is this bullshit morality thrown in their face.
If all human beings are unique and inherently valuable then those that are predisposed to becoming addicts are no less strong or clever or moral because of that. They may have made mistakes or learned hard lessons but I would never suppose to judge people because they lived a different life than me, which is what that line of reasoning does.
I don't mean to pick on you Randetica, I don't know you and I certainly have nothing against you (other than that you've been rude to me), but I definitely have a problem with the line of reasoning you are putting forth.


you should get some help, everyone who takes drugs should
in fact you needed help before you decided to take drugs or you wouldnt take drugs

yeah cause only people who take drugs have a tough life, right

my life is probably more fucked up than yours but i decided to stay away from that shit cause it make things worse instead of being a help

maybe im just stronger than you or been clever enough not to hang around with the wrong people

[hitmonlee]

my brainical chemicals tell me high people are fucking gross and trashy!

well anyway i have to get out now and fight my fight without dumping my brain before, baii

are you saying that olympic athletes who get high from endorphins are gross and trashy?

[Otis Driftwood]

Athletes foot is gross.
AW has been fucked up by bulimia and because that is such serious shit, crack addiction is like a minor character flaw.

[Randetica]

and it seems to be working for you so well. tell me have you managed to go outside and hold down a job, meet a guy, or do any of the things that you say you can't do because of your condition.

maybe some drugs is just what you need, mon.

nah drugs woulnt be the right option unless i want to end up like amy or pete

and i hate when druggies tell you to take drugs, no conscience at all

[Randetica]

hahaha no way she left...

while you never leave.. well stop being a hurt bitch most things i said dont even belong to you

[Randetica]

are you saying that olympic athletes who get high from endorphins are gross and trashy?

they have more to reach than you

the things they got to do are not even human friendly anymore

[Randetica]

You've mostly just been rude. I admit I was too and I apologize for that. but the record on this is pretty clear...

However when you have articulated points, like the ones below they come off as arrogant and ignorant. The worst bit is that crap at the end about you being stronger and cleverer and implying your moral superiority. It isn't just you, I think this is something that gets thrown in the faces of addicts frequently and strikes me as being the most loathsome bit of crap. The last think someone who is trying to get control of their life needs is this bullshit morality thrown in their face.
If all human beings are unique and inherently valuable then those that are predisposed to becoming addicts are no less strong or clever or moral because of that. They may have made mistakes or learned hard lessons but I would never suppose to judge people because they lived a different life than me, which is what that line of reasoning does.
I don't mean to pick on you Randetica, I don't know you and I certainly have nothing against you (other than that you've been rude to me), but I definitely have a problem with the line of reasoning you are putting forth.

yeah taking drugs is a mistake and people should stop telling me to take them
drugs are not part of my life plan so leave me alone with that shit already

only cause you fucked up doesnt mean i/everyone else has to do the same crap only that youre feeling better about yourself

[Tzar]

I fucking hate Amy Winehouse
word.

i know where turd/randy is coming, so sue me... but i know where everyone else is coming from. it's so easy for a straight person to sit here and say "don't wanna get addicted? don't do it"... i say it all the time about pills and coke.

but attn: turd, what they're saying is, most addicts never became addicts because they thought "fuck it, i wanna try this shit", it's starts after a big night out... you and your mates go out and get pissed-fucked; somehow one mate can get some pills; asks if all of y'all want some? you all say "yeah fuck yeah! fuck it, who cares! live once!" and you do it and (based on what i've heard of who have been there), they have a fuckin mad night. next time they go out, they decide to try the pills just by themselves to see if it was the booze or pills that made the night awesome! they do it; have another awesome night because the experiance is still new to them... another night, they do it again and again and again.. there ya go. that's how it starts.

or i could just be talking shit? either way, i'm on your side here, turd sorta..

[RobMoney$]

Some people just don't want to go through life without ever smoking a cigarette, or drinking a beer, or gambling on a big game, or smoking a blunt, ect. Most people in this world do at least some of those things without a problem.
An addicts problem is that they can't enjoy just having those couple of beers, ect. without winding up with a needle in their arms or in a jail cell. They can't just stop after a few, they take everything they do to the extreme.

[Lex Diamonds]

It is IMPOSSIBLE to comment accurately on drugs unless you have tried them yourself. Even I cannot fully condemn crack and heroin addicts as I have never tried the stuff. I have sniffed, chewed, smoked and licked my way through my fair share of drugs in the last few years and yes, I could easily slip into drug addiction at any time. But I don't. I control my drug intake, and I consider factors such as money, how I'm going to feel the next day, and my close friends and family's perceptions of me. However not everybody can master such self-control, and the fact is it's an extremely fine line between having a handle on the shit you take and letting it affect you so that you forget how debilitating it can be. People who have never taken drugs or who have "got drunk three or four times" are in no fit position to question the workings of an addict's mind.

Luckily the only addictions I have are alcohol and cigarettes, which are seen as relatively "normal" (whatever the fuck that means). Perhaps it is good to have an addiction such as this that allows you to continue with your life in a relatively normal fashion whilst quenching any thirst for a routine or stablising presence. I'm no expert, but I can say with all confidence that all you people straight up condemning drug addicts don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Randetica]

yeah i dont know how it feels like to be on drugs/be addicted and i dont really need that kind of experience but i know how some addicts end so why even start, your choice

[TurdBerglar]

you know how every once in a while you hear about some climbing party that's stranded on some crazy isolated mountain peak? you know how a rescue crew is almost always sent out for them? then the rescue helicopter crashes? why? why help them? why feel bad for these risk takers? they did something useless and stupid just for a simple thrill and now people are seriously risking their own well being for them. people should be mad at the fucking mountain climbers. not feel sorry for them. everyone knows the risks involved in climbing an isolated mountain peak. i feel the same way about drug users.


there's no reason to do something as risky and dangerous as climbing denali. no need whatsoever. yet people do it and yet people still feel sorry for them when they get bit in the ass. to me they're just asking for it.

[Randetica]

im getting tired of saying it but i totally agree with turd

[NoFenders]

People who have never taken drugs or who have "got drunk three or four times" are in no fit position to question the workings of an addict's mind.

I don't think anyone questions the workings of an addicts mind. I question why anyone would even pick up a crack pipe the first time.


Perhaps it is good to have an addiction such as this that allows you to continue with your life in a relatively normal fashion whilst quenching any thirst for a routine or stablising presence.

As long as you can be productive and do what you're supposed to do (be responsible), I have little trouble with drugs.


I'm no expert, but I can say with all confidence that all you people straight up condemning drug addicts don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I don't condemn them, I just don't have time for them. They made the choice. Not me. You can call me an asshole, but life's way to short.

:cool:

[RobMoney$]

you know how every once in a while you hear about some climbing party that's stranded on some crazy isolated mountain peak? you know how a rescue crew is almost always sent out for them? then the rescue helicopter crashes? why? why help them? why feel bad for these risk takers? they did something useless and stupid just for a simple thrill and now people are seriously risking their own well being for them. people should be mad at the fucking mountain climbers. not feel sorry for them. everyone knows the risks involved in climbing an isolated mountain peak. i feel the same way about drug users.


there's no reason to do something as risky and dangerous as climbing denali. no need whatsoever. yet people do it and yet people still feel sorry for them when they get bit in the ass. to me they're just asking for it.


What if it was someone you loved who was the one stranded out on the mountain peak, like your Mother or Father? Would you sill say fuck them, let them die, it's their own fault?
I mean you've said people in your family drink a lot.

Every crackhead or heroin addict is someone's kid.

[TurdBerglar]

i'd loose way too much respect for that individual. that's what my rational mind would think but sometimes emotions kick in and make you do things you wouldn't normally do. the emotional mind and the rational mind are two completely different beasts. i prefer the rational beast. im not risking my life for someone that's asking for it according to my rational mind. but if the emotions are strong enough... who knows. emotions aren't always a benefit to you and you gotta learn how to use them and ignore them for your own well being.


im not a very compassionate person and don't expect much if any compassion from others for myself

[hitmonlee]

they have more to reach than you

the things they got to do are not even human friendly anymore

that doesn't even make any sense.

do you, or do you not, have no respect for people who get off on natural highs such as endorphins and shit?

[Randetica]

that doesn't even make any sense.

do you, or do you not, have no respect for people who get off on natural highs such as endorphins and shit?

it makes sense for someone whos brain isnt full of drug dump

[hitmonlee]

it makes sense for someone whos brain isnt full of drug dump

actually no i'm thinking its a language issue - english is not your 1st language yes? because what you wrote doesn't make a lick of sense. :)

its a yes/no question. in this situation you may only answer yes, or no.

then i judge you on the answer.

so what's it going to be?

yes or no?

[Otis Driftwood]

Druggies > athletes

[Lex Diamonds]

I'll translate for you hitmonlee:

Drogen sind spitze! Steph ist schwul!

[Randetica]

actually no i'm thinking its a language issue - english is not your 1st language yes? because what you wrote doesn't make a lick of sense. :)

its a yes/no question. in this situation you may only answer yes, or no.

then i judge you on the answer.

so what's it going to be?

yes or no?

yes youre doing illegal things and im sitting on the safe side (y)

[Planetary]

i don't drink coffee and been drunk maybe three to four times in my life. my family drinks. no one is an alcoholic in my imediate family but there's alcoholics down the line. growing up being around my whole family piss drunk during a holiday was very disturbing to me as a kid. everyone i know is a social drinker and always try to get me to drink with them and it pisses them off when i always decline. i hate being around people that are intoxicated. i just feel really really disgusted by it all being around intoxicated people. i have a very very hard time respecting people that make a habbit out of getting drunk/high. i don't enjoy it myself and find it pathetic when it's done habitualy by others.

what a square

[Lex Diamonds]

Roosta made a thread about it in Other Music, but did you all see Winehouse's Grammy performance? She had a bit of energy and strength in her voice back, she looks slightly better. I get the feeling it's only temporary though, she seemed to really mean the lyrics to "Rehab", especially when she changed the lyrics to "stay home with my Blake".

Oh well, it seems like a positive look anyway.

[camo]

That Blake guy was mentioned a few times in that performance.

She did have a wry smile everytime she sang the chorus to Rehab.

It was nice to see her with her mum. I'm no fan of her's but I feel for her and her problems with both drugs and our inexcusable redtops (n)

[camo]

et voila!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm8-OjJPG0Q

[camo]

you're welcome :)

[Lex Diamonds]

I didn't post a vid cuz I didn't wanna steal roosta's thunder but oh well, fuck him, the paddy cunt.

[roosta]

I didn't post a vid cuz I didn't wanna steal roosta's thunder but oh well, fuck him, the paddy cunt.

:mad:

[funk63]

smokin that crack.. aw jeay

[Lex Diamonds]

:mad:
Yeah anyone who is Irish or comes from an Irish family is a total dickhead.

Let alone people called Paddy, what fuckers!

[roosta]

Yeah anyone who is Irish or comes from an Irish family is a total dickhead.

Let alone people called Paddy, what fuckers!

cunts, the lot of them.