Lost Season 4 Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)

[Junker]

Well, since we have many fans of the show here, I think it'll be cool if we create this thread to discuss this season 4 that have just started.


Well, I thought the S04 E01 was awesome. And they're always putting questions and doubts in our heads like who's the people of the helicopter? What was that scene where Hurley finds Jacob's cabin? Who's the person that stared at him on the window hole? What Charlie wants to tell Hurley? Who wants them to come back to the island?

OMG!
This season started on fire!!!

[Echewta]

Trip out on the still shot from instead the cabin during last nights episode.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cap08.jpg

[alikat]

THANK GOD FOR YOU. No one in my office has seen it, and the Lost boards are strictly lurk-only for me.

I simply love what they are doing -- they have avoided jumping the shark by simply allowing the escape question to be answered. Now it's all a matter of HOW. It's like the show is becoming a mirror-image of its original self. Flashbacks replaced by future-flashes. The mystery of how they're connected feeds into the mystery of how they escape. And WHO escapes! We now know: The Six! I for one will keep watching & guessing. And we've come nicely back to the basics of Jack vs. John, complete with trigger pull. They've done it, they've hooked us right back in.

Do you recognize helicopter dude from before? Because he sure recognizes Jack right away.

Also here are my favorite two cool topics of being bandied about:

1) In the show's time frame, it being day 92 on the Island, the real-life Tsunami is two days away. The show did, as you recall, incorporate the world series. So . . . we shall see. Of course, this is a controversial topic the weary, saavy posters seem to think is dumb. But it begs a good question.

2) Kate may not be one of "the six" because she may have escaped with an assumed identity, so there's possibly room for 7.

Discuss.

[Loppfessor]

I usually watch the DVDs so all those damn commercials were pissing me off....I guess last night's episode was alright but man there's almost too many cliff hangers. I need some resolution damnit!

[alikat]

Trip out on the still shot from instead the cabin during last nights episode.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cap08.jpg


DUDE.

[Guy Incognito]

Trip out on the still shot from instead the cabin during last nights episode.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cap08.jpg

is that jacks dad?


Thought it was ok - story good - there was some fucking awful acting in the house tho'. Last 10 mins was top.

[roosta]

The one thing that bothered me was the rabid distrust of the rescue mission. OK, so they pretended to be Penny's boat but beyond that, you'd still just wait for them. It seemed like there was a bizarre leap to "they must be evil"

Good episode tho.

[venusvenus123]

i missed it last night! it's repeated on SKY 2 tonight, so exciting!!

WOOOOH!!!!!

[Tzar]

Do you recognize helicopter dude from before? Because he sure recognizes Jack right away
they knew they were talking to a "jack" and have spoken to a "kate". they didn't move from their fixed location and the parachutist hopped out right on top of them. a male and female approaches him (the parachutist), who else would it be...

my only dissapointment (besides the acting) was the lack of WHOA! the other seasons' premieres have been big for secrets/revelations but this didn't.

that pic is either jack's dad or Alvar Hanso. why it would be jack's dad? who knows but it does look like him.

[Guy Incognito]

my only dissapointment (besides the acting) was the lack of WHOA! the other seasons' premieres have been big for secrets/revelations but this didn't.

that pic is either jack's dad or Alvar Hanso. why it would be jack's dad? who knows but it does look like him.

There was a loack of "WHOA!" but there was definitley a lot of "OOOH!", lots of pointers as to what could happen and some pretty freaky shit. if that house could move about then is it possible that whoever is in it could be some sort of super freaky being that could be anybody or anything they wanted - hence jacks dad. hence "dave" from series 2 ,hence loads of other stuff .just an idea.

But why the fuck does hurley want to go back and who or what is calling them? Answers on a postcard to "what the fuck is going on?". Closing date for entries is 2010!

[beastieangel01]

Trip out on the still shot from instead the cabin during last nights episode.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cap08.jpg

OMGOMGOMG

shit dude!

Kate may not be one of "the six" because she may have escaped with an assumed identity, so there's possibly room for 7.

good point. This will be an interesting idea to play around with.

Man. Definitely more questions than answers but the questions are intriguing enough that I was quite pleased with the episode (y)

[venusvenus123]

OMGOMGOMG

shit dude!

can someone explain why this photo is provoking such excitement?

[beastieangel01]

can someone explain why this photo is provoking such excitement?

1) it's in Jacob's cabin
2) that man looks exactly like Jack's Father

[beastieangel01]

p.s. has anyone seen the Lost: Missing Pieces mobisodes/webisodes? are they worth trying to find and/or read about?

[venusvenus123]

1) it's in Jacob's cabin
2) that man looks exactly like Jack's Father

oh, ok, thanks. Well i'm watching it tonight so perhaps tomorrow i'll be going. WOWSA YOWSA!!!!! :p


ps. Brits (and anyone else i guess) Naveen Andrews (Sayid) was on Jo Whiley's show (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/jowhiley/) today. He was on around noon if you want to listen to the podcast.

[beastieangel01]

so perhaps tomorrow i'll be going. WOWSA YOWSA!!!!!

you probably will :D

[Echewta]

The Lost poster for this season is clue filled as well. The reflection of the people on the water is actually Los Angeles with what appears to be a 6 in the air.

[checkyourprez]

The one thing that bothered me was the rabid distrust of the rescue mission. OK, so they pretended to be Penny's boat but beyond that, you'd still just wait for them. It seemed like there was a bizarre leap to "they must be evil"

Good episode tho.


with all the shit that has went down on this show i dont blame them. reguardless of the show being fiction, a real life situation such as lost without laws and a civil society (to moderate peoples lives) has a high probability of degenerateing quickly into a lord of the flies type of situation. fear and distrust excellerate quickly in a lawless situation.

[Bob]

The one thing that bothered me was the rabid distrust of the rescue mission. OK, so they pretended to be Penny's boat but beyond that, you'd still just wait for them. It seemed like there was a bizarre leap to "they must be evil"



yeah...it pisses me off that not only has nobody attempted to explain why the rescue boat people are evil, but nobody's even trying to ask! come on! my disbelief is getting awfully hard to suspend here. i mean locke's like "you're going to have to come with me if you want to live" and everybody's just like "oh ok yeah i'll go," but nobody says "why do you think that the rescue boat people are trying to kill us?" that's just sloppy writing. surely somebody's going to ask? "what about charlie?" no fuck you hurley, what about "why do you think the rescue boat people want to kill us?"

anyway, the episode ended on a serious cliffhanger; was he jack??? i'm definitely tuning in next week to find out

[Documad]

The six thing could be anything. It could mean that six left and there are a bunch of people who stayed (willingly or unwillingly). It could mean that many more than six left but that the six are known for something while the rest of the people who got off the island just got off the island. I suspect that the six did something that's ethically questionable but they have a cover story or it's been spun for the public, but that they know they left people behind and that's what starts to eat at them. One of them kills himself and Jack and Hurley go crazy. That's such an obvious plotline though that it must be wrong.

Overall, I liked the show but we didn't progress very far in the plot so it's doubtful that we'll learn much in this 8 show season.

[checkyourprez]

in the usa today they did a thing on lost a week or so ago. they said if the writers strike is done by mid feb (which i have heard the grumblings that it will be over very shortly) than they will get 5 or 6 more episodes on top of the 8.


i think the reasoning for them being warry of the rescuers is, i believe, they are people associated with the dharma group. obviously ben and co. killed all of the ones on the island (besides frenchy). and thats why ben keeps saying its not him and the rest of the others that are evil. i think dharam was actually on some shady shit, like the training videos and all of that was just a coverup for some kind of scandelous experiment they were trying to run on the people(ben and co.) of the island. ben had been blocking transmissions so they couldnt find the island (although i dont know how in this day and age of technology they couldnt find it). now that they know where it is they are going to go an exact revenge.


buuut thats just my off the wall guess.

[Documad]

We don't know much about the Darma people, so I agree that we're going to learn more about them this year.

[alikat]

is that jacks dad?


yep. the wiki on "Christian Shepard" (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Christian_Shephard) (jack's dad) lists this episode as an appearance, links to the picture in question, and lists "Why was he seen in Jacob's cabin?" under the character's unanswered questions. so i'm safely certain it's him. whether he's "really there" is, course, anyone's guess.

i too was a little annoyed about the leap in logic from the rescue excitement to suddenly "they're evil, let's go with locke." that said, when i think about it, i remember that walt got kidnapped by their last seeming "rescuers," so suspicion is the name of the game for these folks.

ps, how bout Harold Perrineau in the yeswecansong.com video? :)

[beastieangel01]

The Lost poster for this season is clue filled as well. The reflection of the people on the water is actually Los Angeles with what appears to be a 6 in the air.

sneaky sneaky! just looked that up.
crazy.

fucking lost and little secrets that keep me hooked! gah! :p

[alikat]

I don't get this show. Maybe I'll rent it, but I'm horrible at sitting and watching tv.

fair warning, you could probably use all the time involved to cure cancer or learn a few new languages. get out while you still can!

[Echewta]

http://www.oceanicflight815.com/
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/
http://www.whylostsucks.com/

[checkyourprez]

uhhh what?


wow a lot of stuff came out in that episode.



i liked how they tied in lockes kidney.

[Loppfessor]

Dude is it me or is show in a downward spiral....I mean you had to see it coming but it's sad

[Brother McDuff]

any thoughts on who the "oceanic 6" are gonna be?

-Jack, Kate, and Hurley are obviously three of them, since they've all appeared back in the states during one flash-forward or another.
-im guessing Sayid will be one, considering he's probly the only one who can fly a helicopter (in regards to last night's episode).
-and im guessing whoever it was who was in the casket on season 3's finale could easily be one of the 6 as well.

...any thoughts?

[BBboy20]

Dude is it me or is show in a downward spiral....I mean you had to see it coming but it's sadActually it's more of a mix bag so far: it seems at times it's like "What?" and then goes "AWESOMELY RAD!!!". Bipolar if you ask me. =P

[Yeti]

any thoughts on who the "oceanic 6" are gonna be?

This new premise has me confused. What is the oceanic 6? Are these new ghostbuster weeping weird people trying to kidnap the oceanic 6? Are they wanted because of their unique skills?

These shows make my head spin. Why can't the guys from Prison Break just get out and live on a island and the people on Lost just go back to their mundane lives? I have Project Runway episodes to watch dammit.

[alikat]

any thoughts on who the "oceanic 6" are gonna be?

-Jack, Kate, and Hurley are obviously three of them, since they've all appeared back in the states during one flash-forward or another.
-im guessing Sayid will be one, considering he's probly the only one who can fly a helicopter (in regards to last night's episode).
-and im guessing whoever it was who was in the casket on season 3's finale could easily be one of the 6 as well.

...any thoughts?


i think hurley was in the casket. they've established his roots in east l.a. and hurley had clearly gotten rid of his money and most friends & relations. i honestly don't recall the details of that episode though, so i could be wrong.
(we also know that bearded jack comes after the future-jack we've seen with hurley in season 4)

as for the other 3 . . . right now it looks like julia, sayid (both at the rescue chopper) and sawyer (realizing locke is insane and missing kate) . . . but i am fully prepared to be wrong due to major plot twists.

[Loppfessor]

What's up with that pre-historic beast that had a Dharma initiative collar on??!!

[Junker]

any thoughts on who the "oceanic 6" are gonna be?


From what I've heard and read it'll be Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Jin and Sun.

[Junker]

Nice.... now we have on the island a paranormal and someone who can see the future (y)

[venusvenus123]

What's up with that pre-historic beast that had a Dharma initiative collar on??!!

either i wasn't paying attention or you saw a different episode!

are we still talking about the 1st of season 4?

i was underwhelmed, in any case. :(

i'll keep watching for a while tho...

[Echewta]

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

Venus, the second episode was last night.

They found a polar bear burried in the sand with a Darhma color.

Interesting, they are finding all types of things, like the polar bear and the airplane everywhere but the island. But it was on the island.

[beastieangel01]

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/


NEAT!
I love you for posting these links. I love this theory. And the idea of the whispers... yeah. Awesome.

Sometimes I fear reading stuff like this though. Once the show is over and everything (or most things? who knows) are unfolded, if it isn't as interesting and fascinating as these theories then I'll be kind of bummed. Ha.

[venusvenus123]

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

Venus, the second episode was last night.

They found a polar bear burried in the sand with a Darhma color.

Interesting, they are finding all types of things, like the polar bear and the airplane everywhere but the island. But it was on the island.

hello! *jumping up and down with excitement*

oh ok. so we're 4 days behind you. JET laaaag!

will cover my eyes and ears till sunday then...sounds interesting and jack's still hot, so i'll watch.

[Echewta]

That site I posted gives the writers way to much credit. I doubt the plot is that involved but the idea of a mirror world or another dimension mixing with "ours" is pretty fun.

haha, Linus. What a name.

[beastieangel01]

chew: I agree. That's why I said I said I fear reading them. But how excellent would it be to have that intelligent of a show around, if that were/is the case? Hope for the best, prepare for the worse ;)


and jack's still hot, so i'll watch.

amen to that. phew.

[checkyourprez]

i find jack to be pompous. if i were a female or gay male sawyer would be my pick.

[beastieangel01]

I prefer pompous over someone being a flat out jerk most of the time.

[fucktopgirl]

i find jack to be pompous. if i were a female or gay male sawyer would be my pick.

sawyer yeahhhh!!:D

[checkyourprez]

I prefer pompous over someone being a flat out jerk most of the time.


but he can be so sweet sometimes

[ToucanSpam]

My thoughts:

The Oceanic Six: Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Sayid and Ben

Several people will die including Juliet, Jin, Michael, and all four of the helicopter people.

Christian Shepard is a repeating spectre, like Slimer. That's why his dumb ass was in the cabin.

Lock will die by series end.

The funeral was Ben's. Suicide.

We have not seen the last of the four toed statue.


Walt will be taller.

[checkyourprez]

they are going to do 5 more episodes for this season. SICK.

they said they are going to accelerate the pace of them so they would be where they were at the end of this season as if it was the planned 16 episodes.

but they will put the 3 not put into this season onto next.


(info from the USA Today-2/12)

[Junker]

^^ Nice shit!

[roosta]

Episode 2 was VERY good.

FINALLY someone asked Ben some straight questions..and I like the fact they didnt drag on the reason for that boat being there.

Its getting very good

[mathcart]

any thoughts on who the "oceanic 6" are gonna be?

-Jack, Kate, and Hurley are obviously three of them, since they've all appeared back in the states during one flash-forward or another.
-im guessing Sayid will be one, considering he's probly the only one who can fly a helicopter (in regards to last night's episode).
-and im guessing whoever it was who was in the casket on season 3's finale could easily be one of the 6 as well.

...any thoughts?

i think hurley was in the casket. they've established his roots in east l.a. and hurley had clearly gotten rid of his money and most friends & relations. i honestly don't recall the details of that episode though, so i could be wrong.
(we also know that bearded jack comes after the future-jack we've seen with hurley in season 4)

as for the other 3 . . . right now it looks like julia, sayid (both at the rescue chopper) and sawyer (realizing locke is insane and missing kate) . . . but i am fully prepared to be wrong due to major plot twists.

they are going to do 5 more episodes for this season. SICK.

they said they are going to accelerate the pace of them so they would be where they were at the end of this season as if it was the planned 16 episodes.

but they will put the 3 not put into this season onto next.


(info from the USA Today-2/12)

First of all may I say AWESOME news^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^:)

As for the Oceanic six and the identity of the mysterious stiff in the coffin (last season finale), a few thoughts:

first, there may very well be MORE than six people who make it off the island- Kate may be off with a fake identity, Michael is?????, etc. leaves the door open for more people to be out and about.

I seriously doubt that the "stiff" is Hurley, no way everyone doesn't show up for that funeral, plus he has a big family, again no way he gets blanked at his own funeral. I seriously doubt it is Ben, I mean, what the hell?!?. right? No way. My Lost crew is postulating that the funeral could be Michael, he left sort of under ill-repute and I could see no one going to his funeral because of what he did. Possible? Plus he wouldn't be a celebrity like the "Oceanic 6" seems to have become, so it would be under the radar. I don't have any other theories, I'm just psyched Lost is back.
PS- one of my proudest moments was calling that last seasons season finale was using flash-forwards.(cue triumphant music!)
:D

[checkyourprez]

WoWoWiWa


another really good one. the show is rolling now. Syied is on some gangster shit.


and ben, dude must have a very good power of persusian. (makes good with the head?!?!)

[BBboy20]

I smell Alias. :P

Really though, awesome stuff.

[mathcart]

WoWoWiWa


another really good one. the show is rolling now. Syied is on some gangster shit.


:D

agreed. Last night's episode was mind blowingly good. I'm psyched.

[Loppfessor]

Man I never realized how damn complicated this show is until last night...a buddy came over for pizza and we watched it. He had never seen it so I was trying to explain everything and man I think I blew his mind. Last night's episode was good though

[Junker]

Man I never realized how damn complicated this show is until last night...a buddy came over for pizza and we watched it. He had never seen it so I was trying to explain everything and man I think I blew his mind. Last night's episode was good though

Explain Lost to someone that have never seen it before is just like try to understand women. It's impossible mate!

And on topic, Sayid became a bad ass again. Nice!!!

Btw, who are the people on Ben's list??? Man, this show is always giving more questions than answers. I think that's why I like it so much.

[Bob]

i'm really getting frustrated with this show, but i can't turn away. it's just getting ridiculous now, they keep piling question upon question upon question and they dangle that little carrot of answers off in the distance but they never ever ever give you one, and that's just getting really annoying.

and they're lazy about it too, i'm still hung up on this whole "locke not explaining how he knew the guys on the boat were evil" thing. first episode of season 4, he's like "they're here to kill us, come with me if you want to live" and half the goddamn camp, who apparently have defective common sense glands just follow him without asking why. not a goddamn one of them, not then, not 3 episodes later has really bothered to ask "hey, how do you know that?" and that just seems like really lazy storytelling to me. nobody behaves like that. i'd be fine if someone said "how do you know that?" and locke said something obscure and mysterious, and people followed him because they're dumb, that i'd be ok with, but no! they don't even have anyone ask! my disbelief does not suspend that far. the closest they've come to an explanation is having locke say "taller ghost walt told me" and everybody was just kind of fine with that. what a gyp.

of course i'm going to keep watching though, i gotta have that carrot

where'd sun and jin go by the way? i can't remember what happened to them.

[checkyourprez]

i think the fact that there were other people on the island, who were trying to kill them and steal their babies had a lot to do with messing with their psyches. there also was the message from charlie. which i think put a lot of doubt in there minds about the boat peoples intentions. i think everyone on that islands sense of trust is severly dented.


i personally think they answered more questions in the last episode than in several others combined. i mean they are actually getting off the island in real time.

[Bob]

i think the fact that there were other people on the island, who were trying to kill them and steal their babies had a lot to do with messing with their psyches. there also was the message from charlie. which i think put a lot of doubt in there minds about the boat peoples intentions. i think everyone on that islands sense of trust is severly dented.



still, even if you were one of those people, and you were used to people trying to kill you; if some kook came out of the woods and said "they're trying to kill us, follow me" would it really not occur to you to pipe up and say "out of curiosity, how do you know that?" or maybe just "who are they?" you'd just follow the dude through the jungle for days without even trying to satisfy your curiosity, just to pass the time?

like i said, i'd be fine with it if someone asked "why?" and locke just refused to answer, but they didn't even do that. they're really laying on the "every thing we do is super mysterious" schtick a little heavy, i'm kind of getting tired of it

[mathcart]

i personally think they answered more questions in the last episode than in several others combined. i mean they are actually getting off the island in real time.

YUP!!!!
Although real time is evidently delayed half an hour on Lost island. Love that!
:D

[mathcart]

i'm really getting frustrated with this show, but i can't turn away. it's just getting ridiculous now, they keep piling question upon question upon question and they dangle that little carrot of answers off in the distance but they never ever ever give you one, and that's just getting really annoying.

and they're lazy about it too, i'm still hung up on this whole "locke not explaining how he knew the guys on the boat were evil" thing. first episode of season 4, he's like "they're here to kill us, come with me if you want to live" and half the goddamn camp, who apparently have defective common sense glands just follow him without asking why. not a goddamn one of them, not then, not 3 episodes later has really bothered to ask "hey, how do you know that?" and that just seems like really lazy storytelling to me. nobody behaves like that. i'd be fine if someone said "how do you know that?" and locke said something obscure and mysterious, and people followed him because they're dumb, that i'd be ok with, but no! they don't even have anyone ask! my disbelief does not suspend that far. the closest they've come to an explanation is having locke say "taller ghost walt told me" and everybody was just kind of fine with that. what a gyp.

of course i'm going to keep watching though, i gotta have that carrot

where'd sun and jin go by the way? i can't remember what happened to them.

This is spot on (although I am in major like with the show still). When my friends and I get together to watch it every week we're also totally blown away at the unbelievably poor questioning skills of seemingly everyone on Lost Island. They ask a lot of questions, but never the most obvious/ pertinent ones. Theres a lot of yelling at the tv when lost is on in my house. Still highly enjoyable.
I did love when Locke asked what the black smoke was, and then was ready to kill Ben when he didn't get an answer. Never has the way I feel when watching this show been better dramatized, it was reassuring in a way almost, I have hope we may yet get questions being asked that could lead to answers. Heres hoping...
:)

[checkyourprez]

YUP!!!!
Although real time is evidently delayed half an hour on Lost island. Love that!
:D



OOOOOoooo, I didnt put two and two together until you just said that. When they showed the two clocks, and the girl that did the count down until that thing hit the ground. And how they were half an hour apart and than that thing didnt hit until that much later. Thank you for enlightening me albiet unintentionally. (y)

[Junker]

Yeah....the delayed time is kinda freaky.

[Junker]

Question: The child Kates says it's hers, is it Claire's baby, Aaron?

[checkyourprez]

it looks like him. its aged like aaron would be. and she calls him aaron. id go with yes.



that last episode was a little slower. which is fine, we got plenty of answers the first two shows. the last one posed some more questions.

[Guy Incognito]

Question: The child Kates says it's hers, is it Claire's baby, Aaron?

yes deffo

what i cant stop thinking about is - is claire Jacks sister (Claire was the reason his dad was in Australia from what i remember)
or is Jack's dad the REAL father of Aaron? And thats why jack doesnt want to see him

[Guy Incognito]

Yeah....the delayed time is kinda freaky.

I'm not Steven Hawking or anything but i didnt understand it as a delay like that of just half an hour.
I thought it was if 2 mins took half hour then 4 mins took an hour and so on so that 100 days that they have been there is loads longer.
Or is that impossible?:confused:
Or has everyone already worked that out now?:o

[Junker]

I'm not Steven Hawking or anything but i didnt understand it as a delay like that of just half an hour.
I thought it was if 2 mins took half hour then 4 mins took an hour and so on so that 100 days that they have been there is loads longer.
Or is that impossible?:confused:
Or has everyone already worked that out now?:o

The time is different on the island, so I guess your theory makes perfect sense.

[Junker]

it looks like him. its aged like aaron would be. and she calls him aaron. id go with yes.

But she called him Earn or something right? Or Am I def?

[Junker]

yes deffo

what i cant stop thinking about is - is claire Jacks sister (Claire was the reason his dad was in Australia from what i remember)
or is Jack's dad the REAL father of Aaron? And thats why jack doesnt want to see him

Yes, Christian is Jack's and Claire's father but he has nothing to do with Aaron. Well, he's the grandpa but not the father, that's for sure.

I wonder when Jack and Claire will know that they're brothers.

[venusvenus123]

But she called him Earn or something right? Or Am I def?
no, you're not--both me and my husband heard "Earl" or something.

i guess it'll all become crystal clear ...

kind of with bob on this tho. i found the last episode quite boring. yes yes, kate killed her dad. yawn yawn, get on with it.
i'm going off carrots!

[Guy Incognito]

kind of with bob on this tho. i found the last episode quite boring. yes yes, kate killed her dad. yawn yawn, get on with it.
i'm going off carrots!

my mum was visiting us yesterday and she asked if we still liked lost and i said no but i wasnt going to stop watching - past the point of no return and its driving me mad

[bigblu89]

Kinda hijacking the thread a little here...

I haven't watch since midway through the 2nd season. There was just way too many unanswered questions for my liking. It seemed like they introduced too many new plots before figuring out solutions to some of the older plots. LIke, something would happen, then they'd go weeks witout anyone bringin it up again.

My main question is this...

Have ANY of the season 1 questions been answered yet? (What the "Black Smoke is, why there are polar bears on tropical islands, what the hatch experiment is all about), or is it still one big clusterfuck of unanswered questions?

I enjoyed the season and a half that I saw, but there were just so many plotlines going all at once, that I really don't know if my primative brain can handle more.

[mathcart]

no, you're not--both me and my husband heard "Earl" or something.

i guess it'll all become crystal clear ...

kind of with bob on this tho. i found the last episode quite boring. yes yes, kate killed her dad. yawn yawn, get on with it.
i'm going off carrots!

I totally disagree, there was a lot of good stuff happening. First of all we got the Oceanic six becoming 8 (through Jacks testimony). Seems like who gets off the Island is clear now (beside the obvious fact that it had to be the main characters). We know for sure:

Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sayid. Which leaves us 2 more who make it and with
Jack's testimony that only 8 people made it out of the crash in the water and 2 died. My best guess here is that Sawyer and Locke are the other 2 (again based on the main characters will make it off the island assumption), however Desmond makes more logical sense to be the sixth than Locke, but he wasn't on Oceanic 815, so how can it be him? Claire is probably out as well (see below)

My guess for the 2 "dead" on the island are Sun and Jin, although they will not be dead, everyone will be covering for them so they can escape from the island also and get to live anonymously in America without Sun's father hunting them down.

Plus I enjoyed the "Lost trial of the century". Thought it was fun.
As for Kate's kid. She definitely DOES call him Aaron. Its not clear to me that it is Claire's Aaron though. While it is being strongly hinted at, they are also playing with us that Kate may be pregnant after sleeping with Sawyer(multiple times, with no birth control in sight). She could have named her son Aaron for Claire's Aaron, who, along with Claire may not have made it. Now heres my problem with it being Claire's Aaron. One, if it is then Claire has to be dead, and thus not making it off the island (or theres no way that is allowed to happen). Its very confusing but good. I'm glad its going to keep going this season longer than originally (strike)planned.
Anyway thats my 2 cents.
:D

[mathcart]

Kinda hijacking the thread a little here...

I haven't watch since midway through the 2nd season. There was just way too many unanswered questions for my liking. It seemed like they introduced too many new plots before figuring out solutions to some of the older plots. LIke, something would happen, then they'd go weeks witout anyone bringin it up again.

My main question is this...

Have ANY of the season 1 questions been answered yet? (What the "Black Smoke is, why there are polar bears on tropical islands, what the hatch experiment is all about), or is it still one big clusterfuck of unanswered questions?

I enjoyed the season and a half that I saw, but there were just so many plotlines going all at once, that I really don't know if my primative brain can handle more.

If you weren't down with the Giants I'd tell your ignorant ass to get the hell out of a SEASON 4 discussion thread and go educate your damn self. But you is, so its all good.
The story is much further along than midway through season 2, so theres no way for us to have a discussion about it, when you don't know SO MUCH, so I'll leave it with the stock answer, Lost is amazing. I may kill someone (most likely my TV) before its over.
:)

[Junker]

As for Kate's kid. She definitely DOES call him Aaron. Its not clear to me that it is Claire's Aaron though. While it is being strongly hinted at, they are also playing with us that Kate may be pregnant after sleeping with Sawyer(multiple times, with no birth control in sight).

Well, I saw the ep again and she DOES call him Earn or something. But definitely not Aaron.

[venusvenus123]

I totally disagree, there was a lot of good stuff happening. First of all we got the Oceanic six becoming 8 (through Jacks testimony). Seems like who gets off the Island is clear now (beside the obvious fact that it had to be the main characters).



see, that's where i fall asleep. who does or does not get off the island doesn't really intrigue me... i just want the story to move on. i was slightly intrigued by ben ordering sayid around last week, but whether he's one of 6 or 8 does not interest me. i'd rather they just got on with something happening around those 6, 8 or whatever.

[checkyourprez]

i heard aaron. i just feel like hearing "earn" (or something close) is too close to aaron to not be aaron in my opinion. plus the kid is aged properly to be aaron. and not to mention kates face when they zoomed in after she says the name i think says it all. it just has that look that its aaron.

[Junker]

i heard aaron. i just feel like hearing "earn" (or something close) is too close to aaron to not be aaron in my opinion. plus the kid is aged properly to be aaron. and not to mention kates face when they zoomed in after she says the name i think says it all. it just has that look that its aaron.

I also think the boy is Aaron but I think Kate changed his name. Why?? Well, no clue.

[mathcart]

Well, I saw the ep again and she DOES call him Earn or something. But definitely not Aaron.

i heard aaron. i just feel like hearing "earn" (or something close) is too close to aaron to not be aaron in my opinion. plus the kid is aged properly to be aaron. and not to mention kates face when they zoomed in after she says the name i think says it all. it just has that look that its aaron.

I also think the boy is Aaron but I think Kate changed his name. Why?? Well, no clue.

I watched it twice with a ton of people and we all Heard Aaron...but, I will go watch it again, in case you are right (which you may be) but I agree that it probably is Claire's Aaron no matter what the name.
Although....
If it were Sawyer's baby it would explain why Jack is so uninterested in coming to see Kate and the kid. I feel like they are going to play with this (and us) for a while so I don't expect an answer soon on this. Bastards!
:):confused:

[mathcart]

see, that's where i fall asleep. who does or does not get off the island doesn't really intrigue me... i just want the story to move on. i was slightly intrigued by ben ordering sayid around last week, but whether he's one of 6 or 8 does not interest me. i'd rather they just got on with something happening around those 6, 8 or whatever.

I hear you. Although it is sort of the central plot point of the show, and unlike Gilligan's Isle, we know its happening and the action happening to drive the plot is all about who gets off and how, so if your your not into this it just seems to me that your going to be bored more often than not on Thursdays between 9 & 10:02. It can't always be Sayid kicking ass secret agent style. That would be too much goodness for one person, so its for the best.
:rolleyes:

[beastieangel01]

I read lostpedia too, and word on the street is that it's definitely AARON.

[Echewta]

It is Claire's baby.


Here is another site for Lost info:
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/

Includes pictures from next weeks episode. Seems like the the evil guy from Hackers is invading the show. Wonder if he will skateboard across the frieghter. Quick, call Eli Stone to hack!!

[venusvenus123]

I hear you. Although it is sort of the central plot point of the show, and unlike Gilligan's Isle, we know its happening and the action happening to drive the plot is all about who gets off and how, so if your your not into this it just seems to me that your going to be bored more often than not on Thursdays between 9 & 10:02. It can't always be Sayid kicking ass secret agent style. That would be too much goodness for one person, so its for the best.
:rolleyes:

yes, i'm disappointed--it seems to be the central theme of season 4. i won't be going anywhere tho.
ps. it's sundays between 9&10 for me as i live in england. i'm english: we like to moan :)


edit: i just sneaked a peek at echewta's link and i'm pretty sure i'll be staying. that looks exciting!

[Junker]

Includes pictures from next weeks episode. Seems like the the evil guy from Hackers is invading the show. Wonder if he will skateboard across the frieghter. Quick, call Eli Stone to hack!!

hahaha... Hackers = classic (y)
I just love Zero Cool / Crash Override / Sick Boy. In a non gay way, of course.

[checkyourprez]

WOW. This show is fucking awsome.

[mathcart]

WOW. This show is fucking awsome.

Agreed!
:)
A thought before I drift off to blessed dreams of ravaging Kate in exotic Island locales (whew, deep breath).
Fucking Awesome.
Fucking Awesome.
Desmond is the mackest time traveler in the history of time travel.
"Time on the island may not be progressing as you think it is" (or some awesome shit!) Amazing!
OK Kate, I hope you like it rough.
:D

[BBboy20]

Wow after two seasons, they actually finally got there shit together.

[Echewta]

Great episode. One of their bests.

Remember in the season ending last year with Jack looking all crazy and it turns out he was in a flash forward? Hmm. Kinda like Desmond last night. Jack said to Kate "We have to go back." Hmmm, back to the island in real time or back to the past via time travel like last night?

[checkyourprez]

Eh, the show is a journey. As coach John Wooden would say, its not about the end goal, its about the journey.


Without the early seasons and the building up of everything posed by the numerous wild scenarios right now would not be so sweet.

[checkyourprez]

Great episode. One of their bests.

Remember in the season ending last year with Jack looking all crazy and it turns out he was in a flash forward? Hmm. Kinda like Desmond last night. Jack said to Kate "We have to go back." Hmmm, back to the island in real time or back to the past via time travel like last night?


I personally think that was real time. Especially with what happend to Hurley (back in the crazy house), and how Syied is getting into all that scadolous shit, I think they're lives are just really effed after the fact.

Kate would definatly be Jacks constant if it came down to it IMO if you were to be correct.


And lastly, who ever was saying Kate didnt say Aaron when she picked up that kid at the end of the previous episode needs their hearing checked. I cought the end of it before the new one last night and she 100% said Aaron.

[Echewta]

At the auction the Black Rock log was sold to Witmore and we know that he is an interested party. It was actually owned by Hanso before that and in that log is where they found the map to the island and read about its mysteries
Cool

[checkyourprez]

^ ya i recognized that when i heard the name. i figured theres gotta be some shit that ties in with that eventually.

[mathcart]

I personally think that was real time. Especially with what happend to Hurley (back in the crazy house), and how Syied is getting into all that scadolous shit, I think they're lives are just really effed after the fact.

Kate would definatly be Jacks constant if it came down to it IMO if you were to be correct.


And lastly, who ever was saying Kate didnt say Aaron when she picked up that kid at the end of the previous episode needs their hearing checked. I cought the end of it before the new one last night and she 100% said Aaron.

Kate couldn't be Jacks constant because "the illness" forces you to time travel through your own lifetime quantum-leap style, and Jack and Kate have only known each other for a few months, so it wouldn't work. But I get your meaning. Amazing episode, I definitely think among their best. I also tripped out hard on the Alvar Hanso being the original owner of the Black Rock first mates diary of secrets of Lost island circa a hundred years ago!. Very nicely done. Keep it comin' please!
:)

[Junker]

Great episode Brotha!
All Desmond's episodes are great.
Now, why Lapidus must follow the coordenates Faraday gave him?? That intrigated me.

[checkyourprez]

gotta be some sort of portal.

[Junker]

gotta be some sort of portal.

I thought something in this line as well.

[roosta]

yeah, one of the best episodes they've ever done.

great season so far..

[BBboy20]

Great episode Brotha!
All Desmond's episodes are great.
Now, why Lapidus must follow the coordenates Faraday gave him?? That intrigated me.For those that had large doses of "electro magnetics" or whatever this island was made of; Desmond was at ground zero when it "exploded" so obviously he was screwed from the get go on leaving the island.

[Echewta]

But it doesn't explain why the guy on the boat was going through the same problem though. Nosebleed=death.

[Tzar]

^ me and a mate were discussing that. remember the dude said they got in the fender (smaller boat) and went towards the island. they must have done so at the time of the blast.... but if you base him-dying-from-the-flashbacks on that, why isn't sayid suffering from it too? he would have been exposed just as, if not more, than the whateveski guy.

my mate also mentioned because they were around communication equipment a lot as well might have contributed.

future plot hole, i reckon.

[Junker]

Who you think is the 'friend' on the boat???
I bet in Michael.

[camo]

Lost is a futile piece of shit.

You're all wazzocks for watching it.

[beastieangel01]

Cool

Agreed. I noted the "Hanso" as well the moment I heard it. I hope it doesn't end up being a forgotten plot line/mention.

Also the fact that Michael and Walt haven't really been brought up in forever bothers me. But with the latest episode perhaps more about what has happened to them/where they at will be revealed? Especially with the discoveries about the memory/time travel and the time delay issue.

The last episode had me reeling!

I love every Desmond episode.

[Junker]

Lost is a futile piece of shit.

You're all wazzocks for watching it.

You'll get banned you from this thread, Mr!! Wait and see!! :mad:

[checkyourprez]

Agreed. I noted the "Hanso" as well the moment I heard it. I hope it doesn't end up being a forgotten plot line/mention.

Also the fact that Michael and Walt haven't really been brought up in forever bothers me. But with the latest episode perhaps more about what has happened to them/where they at will be revealed? Especially with the discoveries about the memory/time travel and the time delay issue.

The last episode had me reeling!

I love every Desmond episode.


There is no doubt in my mind Mike and Walt with reappear in this season at some point.


I have a question if anyone can answer. Who was the previous owner of the ships log that Penny's father bought? Someone mentioned the name already a page back but it has clicked with anyone I remember from the show. Does he have any signifigance?

[checkyourprez]

Lost is a futile piece of shit.

You're all wazzocks for watching it.


Worst comment ever.

[Guy Incognito]

Lost is a futile piece of shit.

You're all wazzocks for watching it.

Worst comment ever.

Technically you are both right and both wrong

- it could have been sorted out in a lot less series and was in danger of disappearing up its own arse at one point last season and i have questioned whether i have the mental stamina to carry on but this series is getting better and answers (along with more phookin questions)are turning up. Its good at the mo

plus camo redeems himself with resurrecting the word "wazzock"(y)

[Junker]

There is no doubt in my mind Mike and Walt with reappear in this season at some point.


Yep, they will. (y):cool:

[checkyourprez]

Yep, they will. (y):cool:



inside information?!?!

[Junker]

inside information?!?!

Search for "Episode 4.08: Meet Kevin Johnson (Michael-centric) [Last episode completed before the writers' strike]" (http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php)

[mathcart]

But it doesn't explain why the guy on the boat was going through the same problem though. Nosebleed=death.

^ me and a mate were discussing that. remember the dude said they got in the fender (smaller boat) and went towards the island. they must have done so at the time of the blast.... but if you base him-dying-from-the-flashbacks on that, why isn't sayid suffering from it too? he would have been exposed just as, if not more, than the whateveski guy.

my mate also mentioned because they were around communication equipment a lot as well might have contributed.

future plot hole, i reckon.

So if we go by the information we've been given (although that frequently is incomplete, at best) then you were partly right. The leaving of the boat (on a smaller boat) toward Lost island was when the guy on the boat contracted the lost island loonies, although if we are to believe Faraday, this must of happened because they did not follow the exact same route back that they came in on. And hilarity ensued...




I have a question if anyone can answer. Who was the previous owner of the ships log that Penny's father bought? Someone mentioned the name already a page back but it has clicked with anyone I remember from the show. Does he have any signifigance?

Alvar Hanso (sp?) was the previous owner. We know him from the Dharma initiative filmstripes that everyone is so keen on watching on Lost Island.

AH YEAH, Lost secrets up in the place!
:D

[BBboy20]

But it doesn't explain why the guy on the boat was going through the same problem though. Nosebleed=death.That's because they didn't follow the "trajectory"...or that they were exposed to something he didn't say.

[camo]

plus camo redeems himself with resurrecting the word "wazzock"(y)

I was gonna type something worst but I'm not a nasty person.

I gave up on lost the moment that hobbit fella shot that weird guy just as his was going to explain something important (can't remember what exactly).

I just can't be arsed to be dragged around these ridiculous plot lines. I think this isn't going to end in a massively intelligent piece of writing with everyone whooping and cheering - it will end in the most contrived fashion ever.

[checkyourprez]

So if we go by the information we've been given (although that frequently is incomplete, at best) then you were partly right. The leaving of the boat (on a smaller boat) toward Lost island was when the guy on the boat contracted the lost island loonies, although if we are to believe Faraday, this must of happened because they did not follow the exact same route back that they came in on. And hilarity ensued...





Alvar Hanso (sp?) was the previous owner. We know him from the Dharma initiative filmstripes that everyone is so keen on watching on Lost Island.
AH YEAH, Lost secrets up in the place!
:D


awsome. thank you.

[checkyourprez]

Search for "Episode 4.08: Meet Kevin Johnson (Michael-centric) [Last episode completed before the writers' strike]" (http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php)

aww thats cheating.


but now that theres all this talk about the one guy who took the small boat in and got the "nose bleeding disease". i cant help but think about mike and walt who left on a small boat. wouldnt that be the same thing? they definatly didnt have any coordinates upon leaving that we know of.

[Junker]

i cant help but think about mike and walt who left on a small boat. wouldnt that be the same thing? they definatly didnt have any coordinates upon leaving that we know of.

Yes they did have the coordinates. Check it out:

"GALE: I'm not happy about the arrangement that was made with you Michael, but we got more than we bargained for when Walt joined us, so I suppose this is what's best. And you let me go, set me free—you lived up to your word. We live up to our word, too. Do you know how to drive a boat?

MICHAEL: Yeah, I can drive a boat.

GALE: Good, then you're going to take this boat and follow a compass bearing of 325, and if you do that exactly, you and your son will find rescue."

From lostpedia.com

[checkyourprez]

Yes they did have the coordinates. Check it out:

"GALE: I'm not happy about the arrangement that was made with you Michael, but we got more than we bargained for when Walt joined us, so I suppose this is what's best. And you let me go, set me free—you lived up to your word. We live up to our word, too. Do you know how to drive a boat?

MICHAEL: Yeah, I can drive a boat.

GALE: Good, then you're going to take this boat and follow a compass bearing of 325, and if you do that exactly, you and your son will find rescue."

From lostpedia.com

holla holla holla

[Bob]

Yes they did have the coordinates. Check it out:

"GALE: I'm not happy about the arrangement that was made with you Michael, but we got more than we bargained for when Walt joined us, so I suppose this is what's best. And you let me go, set me free—you lived up to your word. We live up to our word, too. Do you know how to drive a boat?

MICHAEL: Yeah, I can drive a boat.

GALE: Good, then you're going to take this boat and follow a compass bearing of 325, and if you do that exactly, you and your son will find rescue."

From lostpedia.com

well! i think we know who ben's spy on the boat is, then

[Junker]

well! i think we know who ben's spy on the boat is, then

Yep.... I was right betting on Michael and you're too.
Check this mega spoiler. (http://bp2.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R9GwnxhscOI/AAAAAAAACjw/YnrKutaFDBg/s1600-h/s4ep8+-+7+lrg.jpg)

[Junker]

Now we know who's the owner of the boat. Mr. Widmore.
Damn, these connections drive me crazy!

[mathcart]

spoiler are SO cheating!
(n)
But to be far this is no longer a surprise, I called this 3 episodes ago (and everyone I watch with agreed). Shit is on for Michael next week!

An interesting side interweb theory my friend told me that he came across recently (my friend found it so I don't have the link). The lottery that Hugo played was fixed by Penny's dad, Mr. Whittmore (the guy who's boat it is). Thought this was a pretty interesting idea. I don't usually frequent the Lost web pages, and ever since that stupid initial purgatory rumor went around I stopped listening to the web-rumors.
:)

[venusvenus123]

aaah, just about to watch it!

[checkyourprez]

spoiler are SO cheating!
(n)
But to be far this is no longer a surprise, I called this 3 episodes ago (and everyone I watch with agreed). Shit is on for Michael next week!

An interesting side interweb theory my friend told me that he came across recently (my friend found it so I don't have the link). The lottery that Hugo played was fixed by Penny's dad, Mr. Whittmore (the guy who's boat it is). Thought this was a pretty interesting idea. I don't usually frequent the Lost web pages, and ever since that stupid initial purgatory rumor went around I stopped listening to the web-rumors.
:)

interesting. why would he do such a thing?

[roosta]

Daniel Farraday is my new favourite character

[mathcart]

interesting. why would he do such a thing?

cause hes one evil mutha, duh...
:rolleyes:

[mathcart]

Daniel Farraday is my new favourite character

very well cast (perfect actor for that character) and I would say a VERY enjoyable addition to the Lost family tree.
(y)

[Junker]

The lottery that Hugo played was fixed by Penny's dad, Mr. Whittmore (the guy who's boat it is).

I think is Widmore...... just saying.

[Yeti]

Go to the link and Sawyer can give you a nickname like Dr Do Right, Freckles, Sweet Cheeks or Stay Puft.


http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=nickname

[checkyourprez]

cause hes one evil mutha, duh...
:rolleyes:

well obvi :cool: ...but like what is the reaaaal reason? he didnt do it just to be mean. he had to have some alteriative motive.


and how in the hell do you go about fixing the lottery. like the balls popping out of that thing seems like it could not be done. (probably could, but ya know)

[beastieangel01]

Go to the link and Sawyer can give you a nickname like Dr Do Right, Freckles, Sweet Cheeks or Stay Puft.


http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=nickname

hahaha! awesome, mine is Ladybug

also, I definitely love Farraday. It's interesting seeing that actor in that role though... I always remembered him as the awkward guy Lee dated in Secretary.

[checkyourprez]

good one again. im going to get into a bunch of things from this episode...



what the f was that one chicks deal? upsidedown reading, chaining herself up and than walking the plank?!?!


and than the end with jin. 2 things i can think of.

1. they were showing flashbacks with jin, flash forwards with sun. which means jin really is dead.

2. they were showing jin alive, in a new life, because "hes dead" and not part of the oceanic 6, and has started a new life some place.

my mom actually cried at the end. she liked jin and sun the best out of everyone.


and of course micheal is back. im indifferent to that. i knew it was going to happen sooner or later, just didnt know when (i didnt spoil it for myself looking at some of the stuff people have posted about that). the whole "dont trust the captain" note he left im skeptical about. because once again the order came from ben, its been proven he just cannot be trusted.




lastly i liked how they came out and just told you something straight out for once. the captain and the black box and everything he said about that. it was a nice change of pace.

[BBboy20]

I was like LITERALLY slowly moving to the edge of my seat when Michael slowly revealed himself...damn goosebumps!

[mathcart]

good one again. im going to get into a bunch of things from this episode...



what the f was that one chicks deal? upsidedown reading, chaining herself up and than walking the plank?!?!


and than the end with jin. 2 things i can think of.

1. they were showing flashbacks with jin, flash forwards with sun. which means jin really is dead.

2. they were showing jin alive, in a new life, because "hes dead" and not part of the oceanic 6, and has started a new life some place.

my mom actually cried at the end. she liked jin and sun the best out of everyone.


and of course micheal is back. im indifferent to that. i knew it was going to happen sooner or later, just didnt know when (i didnt spoil it for myself looking at some of the stuff people have posted about that). the whole "dont trust the captain" note he left im skeptical about. because once again the order came from ben, its been proven he just cannot be trusted.




lastly i liked how they came out and just told you something straight out for once. the captain and the black box and everything he said about that. it was a nice change of pace.


OK, I'm with it lets take em one at a time:

1) The chick, who incidentally was the stunt woman (actual?) chick from "Deathproof", was suffering from some "form of cabin fever" (we gotta take them at their word) that probably will be explained as being the effects of spending time too close to Lost island. Weird

2)Without a doubt Sun was in a flash forward and Jin was in a flash back. There is no way that was Jin in the future for a bunch of reasons, probably the biggest being that the whole central theme of that episode was that Jin was a different person pre-Lost island and he would never go back to being that guy (working for Sun's evil father, putting his weird job over his family). I think he even promises this at the end of the episode.

NOW

Is he actually dead? The Hurley visit would seem to indicate yes, BUT- here was the other point of the episode. Sun had to leave the island in order to save her own life, and her babies. Remember that she couldn't escape from her life with Jin (the plan for both of them from way back in Season 1) and they both clearly wanted a fresh start together. So it is possible that they are faking it to throw people off the trail of the people still on the island (as the rest of the oceanic 6 are doing). Maybe to safely have the baby and then reunite somewhere (America, Lost island?!?). Theres a lot we don't know about this situation yet.

3) Loved that Michael was back (even though I called that shit weeks ago). I am very excited for the next episode where we find out what the hell happened after Michael left the island. By the way I was very impressed with how OG smooth Desmond and Sayid were about not blowing up Michaels spot when they saw him. I would of totally screamed "Holy shit, Its Michael!". (I know its fiction, but still... Sayid is one suave mutha, SHUT YO MOUTH, but I'm talkin bout Sayid...)

4) I love how we were warned to not trust the first character we've met in four seasons who not only gives straight answers to any question asked of him, but who (and this is a Lost first) VOLUNTEERS additional pertinent information. Its a breath of frickin' fresh air on the one hand and infuriating on the other.

So thats it for your points, they were exactly what I was talking about right after the show with my friends by the way. A few other observations from last nights show:

The Oceanic Six: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun & Aaron(?)
does everyone agree with this?

We now have a timetable for when the six(and whoever else) are getting off Lost island since Sun was nearing the end of her 1st trimester, has the baby off the island, and most importantly(thank you Juliette) is going to be dead in 4 weeks. Yay new information.
Another enjoyable affair all around.
:)

[Junker]

Nice episode!

And I'm with mathcart. It was a Jin's flashback and a Sun's flashforward and I do think he's dead. But 1 thing intrigated me about Jin's plaque* at the cemetery. It showed his birth and death day. But on his death was the date "2004 09 22". Well, that is the day the flight 815 left Sidney. Was he considered dead on the disaster??

Another thing: Did you notice the TV show Sun was watching on her apartment?? It was Exposé. That show where Nikki was one of the stars.



* I don't remember the name of this in English. Sorry!!

[mathcart]

Nice episode!

And I'm with mathcart. It was a Jin's flashback and a Sun's flashforward and I do think he's dead. But 1 thing intrigated me about Jin's plaque* at the cemetery. It showed his birth and death day. But on his death was the date "2004 09 22". Well, that is the day the flight 815 left Sidney. Was he considered dead on the disaster??

Another thing: Did you notice the TV show Sun was watching on her apartment?? It was Exposé. That show where Nikki was one of the stars.



* I don't remember the name of this in English. Sorry!!

Grave. no worries.

Very good point, I actually think that have Jin listed as dying in the crash os further evidence that he is NOT dead- its just part of the story their all telling that anyone who didn't make it off the island died in the crash into the ocean. The more I think on it, the better it gets.
Nice catch with the show!
(y)

[Junker]

Grave.

Thanks!

[Junker]

Nobody's replying here no more. :D

So, I thought the episode about Michael was a good one. Now we know why he joined the crew on Widmore's boat. And I felt sorry for Carl and Russeau. Damn! Russeau dead. This really sucks!!! I wanted to see a flashback about her.

[mathcart]

Nobody's replying here no more. :D

So, I thought the episode about Michael was a good one. Now we know why he joined the crew on Widmore's boat. And I felt sorry for Carl and Russeau. Damn! Russeau dead. This really sucks!!! I wanted to see a flashback about her.

Could still happen (wouldn't be the first time we've seen dead people show up in flashbacks!)
(y)

[checkyourprez]

i wouldnt be suprised if ben had set up russoe and his daughters bf to be killed. just a hunch.

[Tzar]

so how comes tom was still alive and well in NY when he meets michael in the alley? or do we just assume all that stuff happened before he got blown up on the beach?

[Echewta]

Apparenlty Tom is into Broadway shows when he goes to New York. If you catch my tokyo drift ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[Loppfessor]

I actually missed this well last week's episode...thank God I can still watch the enhanced version this week.

[checkyourprez]

so how comes tom was still alive and well in NY when he meets michael in the alley? or do we just assume all that stuff happened before he got blown up on the beach?


ya i think it had to be before he got deaded.

[checkyourprez]

[QUOTE=Echewta;1569304]Apparenlty Tom is into Broadway shows when he goes to New York. If you catch my tokyo drift ;) /QUOTE]



AND THAN SOME ;) (y) :) :D

[checkyourprez]

[QUOTE=Echewta;1569304]Apparenlty Tom is into Broadway shows when he goes to New York. If you catch my tokyo drift ;) /[QUOTE]



AND THAN SOME ;) (y) :) :D

[Junker]

i wouldnt be suprised if ben had set up russoe and his daughters bf to be killed. just a hunch.

I'm sure it was a set up. Ben's extremely possessive (remember about Juliet?). He never liked Carl because of his relationship with Alex. And he took Alex from her mom. He obviously doesn't want "his" daughter hanging out with the real mother.
And against her will (or not), Alex finally recognized Ben as her father. "Don't shoot. I'm Ben's daughter".

[beastieangel01]

interesting last episode. we were given a lot of answers though which kind of threw me off. I like to have an even amount of pleasing AND teasing I suppose *bah dum ching* but no seriously, I do. But I suppose it will satiate others.

To be honest, I think the only reason I'll keep watching at this point is for more Faraday.

[roosta]

For some reason, the revelation that some of the Other's could come and go from the island pissed me off.

I don't know why though.

[Echewta]

Probably because you can't.

[roosta]

Probably because you can't.

:(

[mathcart]

so how comes tom was still alive and well in NY when he meets michael in the alley? or do we just assume all that stuff happened before he got blown up on the beach?

Michael escapes at the end of season 2 (after about 2 months real Lost time) and goes back to NY and soon after (within a month- I figured out the time line right after the show but have forgotten what proves this at the moment) is recruited by Tom. He was "deaded" beginning of this season- so it works time wise.


I'm sure it was a set up. Ben's extremely possessive (remember about Juliet?). He never liked Carl because of his relationship with Alex. And he took Alex from her mom. He obviously doesn't want "his" daughter hanging out with the real mother.
And against her will (or not), Alex finally recognized Ben as her father. "Don't shoot. I'm Ben's daughter".


Maybe... Don't forget that during this episode if you were paying close attention you would of noticed that the choper was NOT on the deck of the Widmore boat, and as we saw in the episode, they got firepower. So there are other possible explanations.


interesting last episode. we were given a lot of answers though which kind of threw me off. I like to have an even amount of pleasing AND teasing I suppose *bah dum ching* but no seriously, I do. But I suppose it will satiate others.
To be honest, I think the only reason I'll keep watching at this point is for more Faraday.

did you mean "boom chicha wha wha"?
Either way it made me feel funny, like when we had to climb the ropes in gym class.
:o

[mathcart]

For some reason, the revelation that some of the Other's could come and go from the island pissed me off.

I don't know why though.

I understand it pissing you off completely.
I don't understand why your calling this a revelation, we knew that Ethan recruited Juliette, we saw the ageless other off the island at some point, we knew about their sub to the main-land last season. Just saying, it doesn't make it less of a cop out, it just ain't new.

[roosta]

I understand it pissing you off completely.
I don't understand why your calling this a revelation, we knew that Ethan recruited Juliette, we saw the ageless other off the island at some point, we knew about their sub to the main-land last season. Just saying, it doesn't make it less of a cop out, it just ain't new.

I knew they could leave, but that it was so easy/casual is annoying. I dunno why as I say.

[Loppfessor]

Thanks to ABC.com I finally just watched....so wtf, when do we get another episode?

[checkyourprez]

april 24 (ish, when ever the thursday falls that weeked)

[Junker]

Maybe... Don't forget that during this episode if you were paying close attention you would of noticed that the choper was NOT on the deck of the Widmore boat, and as we saw in the episode, they got firepower. So there are other possible explanations.


I was about to reply my previous post to say the exact same thing. I'm not so sure anymore. Actually, I now agree with you. I think the people on the boat were the ones who shot down Karl and Russeau.

[roosta]

I think Faraday and them lot are a decoy/recon team and the real hit squad are now stalking the jungles.

[Junker]

Did anyone see last night's ep???
I'll check it today.

[Lyman Zerga]

just a few days ago i got done with the 3rd season, i need more of that fucking crack!

[checkyourprez]

Did anyone see last night's ep???
I'll check it today.


yizzer!


as the man said. it was crack.


very good overall.

[Junker]

wow! Great episode!
The idea of a Ben seeking for revenge kinda makes me have a good feeling about the future of the show.
The best scene: when he evokes the Smoke Monster!!

[checkyourprez]

wow! Great episode!
The idea of a Ben seeking for revenge kinda makes me have a good feeling about the future of the show.
The best scene: when he evokes the Smoke Monster!!


he had that shit on full blast. i do want to see what is in that secret chamber and how he makes the smoke do what it do. (that means he killed mr. ecko though :( )

i thought for sure Clair was going to die from that direct hit from the bazooka joe. hence explaining why kate had her baby, but no no no.

i thought it was funny too when sawyer was like get back get inside to those other people in his camp that are just extras, and 1 after 1 after 1 just got shot down because unfortunately, they are hard of hearing.

[mathcart]

Amazing episode this week!
All the things people are saying are right on, BUT for me the true revelation of this episode is Ben's future AND just how the fuck he wound up in the middle of the desert in an arctic Dharma parka in Tunisia!
So lets get into this because the first 5 minutes of the episode I believe was the focal point for a lot...
First- How did Ben wind up unconscious (and nauseas) in the middle of the desert? Why was he wearing a frickin' parka?
OK, this is where I begin my speculation.
Just as there is a room on the island that will bring you anything you think of, there is a room on the island that will take you off it! I know, I know- but here me out. Unlike the giving room, the taking room can't be controlled. It will send you to a few specific places- like the dessert in Tunisia or the arctic. The evidence seems to support this-
exhibit a- (& most obvious) Ben awakens in the desert in a parka! He immediately throws up (side effects of instantaneous travel?)
exhibit b- he goes to a nearby hotel in Tunisia where his Sherlock Holmes arch villain alias (great touch!) is a preferred customer (frequent guest)! He has done this quite a few times before!
exhibit c- going back to the whole wtf is up w/ the polar bear question on Lost island angle- remember the episode where the hot redhead anthropologist uncovers a polar bear fossil with a Dharma collar in the middle of the desert- IN TUNISIA! clearly the arctic, the Tunisian desert and Lost island are linked somehow!
Ben was clearly prepared to show up both in the arctic (parka & ?) or the desert (Tunisian passport for the "Moriarity" account).
Now why was he doing this? Shit gets real interesting here!
without even getting into the chance encounter with how he recruited Sayid as his muscle (he was definitely NOT looking for Sayid as we learn the reason for his time off the island at the end of the episode... much more on this in a minute!). He was clearly fleeing Lost island (he was under assault by Widmore's strike team) and his (adopted) daughter has just been murdered in front of him. He is freaked out because of some kind of "rule change" and they fuck with us here for a minute because we think he is referring to Jacob's rules- like when Tom explained to Michael that he would not be able to kill himself because Jacob would not allow it! But oh, no- he was referring to Widmore and his agreement!
Now just as the first five minutes were incredibly instructive (and awesome) so is the last five!
Exhibit A Everything Ben has he got from Widmore! Money? Identities? Power on the Island? The Island itself!?! Ben and Widmore CLEARLY have a very different relationship then the adversarial one we have been feed, they are joined somehow and perhaps even symbiotic?
Exhibit B The revelation above means that Widmore is a bigger player than we had been lead to believe. He is either Dharma (the backing behind Alvar Hanso) OR the head of the Hostile's- the group that took over the Island from Dharma and is incredibly well provided and equipped (which a millionaire would be able to do).
Exhibit C Widmore can not find the island- once you get off it- it is extremely difficult to find it again- although we got a lot of this before the true difficulty or its utter invisibility we could not have guessed at!

Truly amazing episode all around, I could think about it all frickin' day but I gotta go- I only covered the very beginning and end in this post- there was so much more to talk about in this episode! I am very optimistic for the future. At the very least, the fact that Ben is without a doubt the engine that drives Lost I think was made crystal clear last night- he advances the plot, he is the lynch pin character! People who aren't with him (and how awesome he is) are no longer with Lost! This is an amazing feat to have made your central villain your most important character! I love it (and I am very impressed!)
(y)

[Junker]

Wow..... you just said everything!!! Great review Math. (y)

About the room that takes you to wherever you want, I'm with you.

[Junker]

3 weeks and any review?
What happened guys?

So, I've watched the last ep (Cabin Fever) and I just thought it was totally awesome. Again, lots of questions and no answers.

- Michael really can't die - yet -. Even Martin's gun didn't work on him.
- Locke is now ready to assume his place as the chosen one. Ben's time has gone. Locke time baby!
- Christopher and Claire at the cabin....wtf??? Christopher as a ghost/Jacob's secretary, that's ok. I expected that already. But why is Claire with him? Even being his daughter. What's her role going to be from now on?
- Richard 'Highlander' Alpert and Matthew Abbadon, what are they?
- And the last and more important question for me: What's this talk about "We have to move the island"?

This show just keeps getting better and better.

[mathcart]

3 weeks and any review?
What happened guys?

So, I've watched the last ep (Cabin Fever) and I just thought it was totally awesome. Again, lots of questions and no answers.

- Michael really can't die - yet -. Even Martin's gun didn't work on him.
- Locke is now ready to assume his place as the chosen one. Ben's time has gone. Locke time baby!
- Christopher and Claire at the cabin....wtf??? Christopher as a ghost/Jacob's secretary, that's ok. I expected that already. But why is Claire with him? Even being his daughter. What's her role going to be from now on?
- Richard 'Highlander' Alpert and Matthew Abbadon, what are they?
- And the last and more important question for me: What's this talk about "We have to move the island"?

This show just keeps getting better and better.

Agreed on your last point!

Sorry about the vacation- I've been slacking! (You've been a real trooper Junker- way to keep up the Lost talk!)

Excellent episode last week- its been a while since we had a flashback episode give us so much good stuff! The Locke origins/ chosen one theme was amazing! Loved Richard "Highlander" (LOL) showing up when John is a young boy. Now where I think an interesting connection is made in this episode is the flashback where John is doing Physical therapy and Daniels from the Wire is his orderly. The implication is that all John is being watched by those who expect great things from him on the Island- Richard and his "hostiles" camp but also Widmore's crew (remember Daniels was Naomi's[?] superior he works for Widemore). But as Ben's episode showed these factions are more closely related then we were previously lead to believe. More proof for us! This episode also puts the Ben episode in a slightly different light as its possible that Ben is in exile after falling out of favor with the island (and its freaky inhabitants- how sad!).

The Claire thing was weird- but as you said not unexpected (although I think you said that about Jacks dad being Jacobs press secretary- both were expected!). So this is why Claire's not leaving the island? Really? Because she wants to hang out with her dead dad and an invisible deity? Suppose I would want to too- but they could of given us a little more here.

John is going to "move the island". I got nothing- but I am very excited for the two remaining episodes!

By the way I loved the scene where Ben congratulates Locke on making Hurley believe he choose to stay with them on his own- only to have John tell him it ain't like that- a real passing of the torch moment, although I must confess I think I'm gonna miss the way Ben ran shit on Lost island!

One last interesting thought before I move on and wait patiently for the next episode- Looked at in a certain light Lost has NOT strayed from the flashBACK format! Up untill the S3 finale we are in the present on Lost island and flashingback into our various Lost lives pasts to get a better sense of them and whats going on with them at the moment. But the flashforwards are not deviating from this format- its just switched- the action on the island is now the past and the action off the island is the present! (the story were trying to piece together). It doesn't quite work because our present timeline is disjointed, we've been jumping back and forth in time in the "present" off the island all season, so the order we see the future in the episodes is not in chronological order! Just a fun thought to play with!
:)

[roosta]

Lost is really ramping it up..

One thing I didn't like about the new episode was the ghost/Horace thing leading John; it was too gimmicky, like they couldn't work out how to get them to the cabin so they wrote that in.

Also, they better have a good reason for Christian being on the island.

Rest of it is all good though.

[checkyourprez]

Lost is really ramping it up..

One thing I didn't like about the new episode was the ghost/Horace thing leading John; it was too gimmicky, like they couldn't work out how to get them to the cabin so they wrote that in.

Also, they better have a good reason for Christian being on the island.

Rest of it is all good though.


I get what your saying, but then again John is the chosen one. Shit like that happens to chosen people. Also a bunch of people have had dreams like that on the island. Ecko had a lot of them. Charlie had them. Others I'm pretty sure, I can't remember off the top of my head.


And about Claire, I think she is dead. Thats why shes in the cabin with her dead dad, and thats why Kate eventually gets her baby.



But yea I am really enjoying the end of this year.

Good news too, the 2 episodes we are being shorted this season, 1 will be added onto the next two seasons so we wont get jipped in the end. Both were scheduled for 16, but will now both have 17 episodes.

[Junker]

I get what your saying, but then again John is the chosen one. Shit like that happens to chosen people. Also a bunch of people have had dreams like that on the island. Ecko had a lot of them. Charlie had them. Others I'm pretty sure, I can't remember off the top of my head.


Locke had had at least one already. When he sees that plane crashing. The plane with Ecko's brother, remember?


And about Claire, I think she is dead. Thats why shes in the cabin with her dead dad, and thats why Kate eventually gets her baby.

Mmmmm........ Now you said, it could be.
But why and how this happened? At one moment she was with Miles and Sawyer and then she disappears? Crazy shit.

Well, I'm sure we can expect great revelations in this season finale. Btw, I heard the final episode will be split into 3 episodes, instead of only 2. Is it true?

[Junker]

Agreed on your last point!

Sorry about the vacation- I've been slacking! (You've been a real trooper Junker- way to keep up the Lost talk!)



(y) Sem problema!!!
It's my pleasure to discuss this show. :D
And also, It's always nice to see different conclusions from people around the world (other than my brother, my cousin and a few friends).

[Junker]

Great episode!
Different from all the previous ones. I liked how they gave attention to all the characters. Lotta action too.

I can discuss more later. Now I gotta go out.

[roosta]

Latest episode was really strong.

Have you all heard the "island is/has a time machine" theories going around? I think it explains alot.

The dude who never ages...
Ben turning up in Tunisia....
A Polar bear in the desert...
The viral video on YouTube implying the Orchid is a time travel experiment...
Farradays payload being late / the dead doctor washing up before he was killed...

[Tzar]

^ yeah, mate. read the theories about the latest on lostpedia. some trippy shit there about the orchid. check the one about the soldiers ageing whilst being near the orchid station.

[Junker]

Yeah.... i think this is 'the box' that brings/takes whatever you want.

[mathcart]

Time to start getting excited for the season finale of what seems to be among their strongest seasons to date- bodes well for Thursday!

In the meantime I've been meaning to post this (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=86781) here since minton hipped me to my biggest unanswered question about the BBMB that turns out to be both awesome and totally relevant to this thread!- if only LOST island had minton & TPK to answer all our questions!
:)

[BBboy20]

"So?"

[checkyourprez]

^dick cheney?


Anyways that was a GREAT end to the season. Cannot wait until next year.


Big shocker at the end with Locke in the casket. I wouldn't be suprised if Ben wants him to go back so he can go back in time and make it so he doesn't die.

I am curious as to see what happens with Walt.


Clair makes a come back.


I liked how they killed Micheal off. All those times he was trying to kill himself and the Island wouldn't let him. Than right before the ship blows Jacks dad shows up and says "you can go now". In reference to him finally dieing.

[BBboy20]

Big shocker at the end with Locke in the casket. I wouldn't be suprised if Ben wants him to go back so he can go back in time and make it so he doesn't die. I was actually suspecting Locke when they mentioned Jermney telling him to come back but then I was also thinking of a million other suspects; I still gasped when they revealed who he was.


Clair makes a come back.Noticed she didn't have her accent?


I liked how they killed Micheal off. All those times he was trying to kill himself and the Island wouldn't let him. Than right before the ship blows Jacks dad shows up and says "you can go now". In reference to him finally dieing."What?" Frakin' genius.

Though oddly enough, the "voices" seem also come along with the mortal Others (and damn, they were like professional assassins).

What's actually really odd is that if they killed Locke like they did with Ecco, I would have been pissed off beyond my wildest dreams but for some reason I really like this direction.

[checkyourprez]

I was actually suspecting Locke when they mentioned Jermney telling him to come back but then I was also thinking of a million other suspects; I still gasped when they revealed who he was.


Noticed she didn't have her accent?


"What?" Frakin' genius.

Though oddly enough, the "voices" seem also come along with the mortal Others (and damn, they were like professional assassins).

What's actually really odd is that if they killed Locke like they did with Ecco, I would have been pissed off beyond my wildest dreams but for some reason I really like this direction.

I didn't notice her non accent, thank you for pointing that out. I wonder what that really means. Dead?


And the voices are another ongoing mystery of the show. I wonder what causes that.


Im wondering why Asian guy who came in the group with the scientist and the red head wants to stay on the island. It has to be something with his mental power to talk with the dead.


Another weird thing, the guy with the eyeliner doesn't age. Looked the exact same when he was interviewing Locke as a kid and when he was busting caps on the island. I'd like the get to the bottom of that.

[BBboy20]

I didn't notice her non accent, thank you for pointing that out. I wonder what that really means. Dead?I didn't noticed either until somebody else pointed out.
Maybe spending much time with Daddy?


Im wondering why Asian guy who came in the group with the scientist and the red head wants to stay on the island. It has to be something with his mental power to talk with the dead. Maybe the dead tells him that there is something very valuable on the island, or maybe they just haven't revealed what their agendas are (with the exception of Frank)


Another weird thing, the guy with the eyeliner doesn't age. Looked the exact same when he was interviewing Locke as a kid and when he was busting caps on the island. I'd like the get to the bottom of that.His name is Richard.

The biggest mystery of all though is Christan Shepperd. How does this cheating, drunken doctor who has no affiliation with the Island somehow become some "god"?

[Junker]

I have no words to describe this season finale.
It was just awesome, excellent, perfect.
Congratulations to the producers and writers of the show. (y)

[checkyourprez]

I didn't noticed either until somebody else pointed out.
Maybe spending much time with Daddy?


Maybe the dead tells him that there is something very valuable on the island, or maybe they just haven't revealed what their agendas are (with the exception of Frank)


His name is Richard.

The biggest mystery of all though is Christan Shepperd. How does this cheating, drunken doctor who has no affiliation with the Island somehow become some "god"?

He does not strike me as a Richard.

[Junker]

I thought the body on the coffin would be Ben's. But now I'm wondering: John being dead, on a coffin outside the island obviously means he left the island. Why he did that if he never wanted to leave it?

[mathcart]

I have no words to describe this season finale.
It was just awesome, excellent, perfect.
Congratulations to the producers and writers of the show. (y)

SO AGREE!!!! Pick up exactly where the Season 3 finale ended was AMAZING- totally shocked me how good that was!
(y)


I thought the body on the coffin would be Ben's. But now I'm wondering: John being dead, on a coffin outside the island obviously means he left the island. Why he did that if he never wanted to leave it?

YUP! Thats exactly the right question- although the answer was hinted at by Ben (& seems to be potentially a good deal of the story to be told in last 2 seasons to come) when he said that after the 6 of them left the island, "things went very bad for John".
I still don't get the Hate for Locke- why would Kate say there was no way she would go to that funeral? I find that to be a bit of a stretch considering all they went through together.
:confused:




Im wondering why Asian guy who came in the group with the scientist and the red head wants to stay on the island. It has to be something with his mental power to talk with the dead.

No doubt- mad paranormal shit is going down on Lost island- if you had crazy psychic game wouldn't you want to be in the big leagues of Lost Island?
I bet you would!




Another weird thing, the guy with the eyeliner doesn't age. Looked the exact same when he was interviewing Locke as a kid and when he was busting caps on the island. I'd like the get to the bottom of that.

Yeah Richard doesn't age- and in case you missed it- wasn't just interviewing Locke- he's Locke's father!
We have sort of gotten an answer to this (sort of). The crazy shit happening on Lost island is messing with BOTH TIME- as shown by the time delay to the outside world & the ability of Richard to both visit young Locke & father him- all without aging, & SPACE- as seen through the movement of Ben off the island- AND the movement of the ACTUAL island!
(y)


A few other random thoughts about the nastiest season finale to date!

-How come Locke didn't just remove the dead man trigger off the crazy dying guy and put it on his arm- he wasn't about to die and you heart beats slow enough that you could easily move it from one pulse to another without causing a disruption in expected pace( maybe he had an arythmia?) My biggest issue common sense wise with an other wise amazing finale!

-Jin not dead? He could very well have been moved by the island like Faraday must have been (one minute his boat is right off the coast of the island the next there is no island and no boat!). If the island wanted him there- why not, right?

Last lets talk Penny and Desmond- not that I'm not so very happy for the 2 of them- but a couple of crucial issues arise here- Penny is Whittmore's daughter- which brings up a whole host of questions!
First- presumably she is using his/their fortune to do this multi year search and rescue mission for Desmond- he doesn't notice/ mind? Really?
Next- Jack and the survivors are telling Penny the real deal and lying to everyone else- again, remember who Penny is. Are Desmond and Penny going to spend the rest of there lives sailing the seven seas to be safe from her Dad?

Anyway- GREAT finale- very excited for it to pick up again in the fall.
Enjoy your summers everyone!
:)

[roosta]

After what was probably my favourite series yet, i thought that was the weakest season finale so far.

Good episode generally, but just not as good as previous cliffhangers.

One thing that is bugging me is this whole "we have to go back" / "the island wont let us leave " deally. Ok, so if they have some kind of mission to complete before they can go, ok, but let us know more about it. But if its a case where there is no hope for them ever getting off / or they don't want to then I have a problem with that. The show only works for me if the central characters want / can get off eventually.

Also, it seems they have a lot of plot to get through in 34 episodes:
> What went on in the 3 years they were off the island
> Ben V Widmore for control of the island
> All the other crazy shit they are going to add in

[Bob]

yeah...i know it's passe at this point to complain about lost never explaining anything, but think about it.

end of season 3: bearded jack says "we have to go back! we weren't supposed to leave" but they won't tell us what that's supposed to mean, and thus we have an awesome cliffhanger

end of season 4: bearded jack says "we have to go back! we ALL have to go back! we weren't supposed to leave! also locke is dead and he's called jeremy bentham now!" but we still don't know what that's supposed to mean

so.....nothing.....happened in season 4, if you think about it. very little progress was made in the plot, they just confused things more

[checkyourprez]

yeah...i know it's passe at this point to complain about lost never explaining anything, but think about it.

end of season 3: bearded jack says "we have to go back! we weren't supposed to leave" but they won't tell us what that's supposed to mean, and thus we have an awesome cliffhanger

end of season 4: bearded jack says "we have to go back! we ALL have to go back! we weren't supposed to leave! also locke is dead and he's called jeremy bentham now!" but we still don't know what that's supposed to mean

so.....nothing.....happened in season 4, if you think about it. very little progress was made in the plot, they just confused things more


Well ya and no. In the grand scheme of things they technically left us where we were a year ago. But A LOT of things were answered during the year, so I am more than satisfied for the time being.


SO AGREE!!!! Pick up exactly where the Season 3 finale ended was AMAZING- totally shocked me how good that was!
(y)




YUP! Thats exactly the right question- although the answer was hinted at by Ben (& seems to be potentially a good deal of the story to be told in last 2 seasons to come) when he said that after the 6 of them left the island, "things went very bad for John".
I still don't get the Hate for Locke- why would Kate say there was no way she would go to that funeral? I find that to be a bit of a stretch considering all they went through together.
:confused:





No doubt- mad paranormal shit is going down on Lost island- if you had crazy psychic game wouldn't you want to be in the big leagues of Lost Island?
I bet you would!





Yeah Richard doesn't age- and in case you missed it- wasn't just interviewing Locke- he's Locke's father!
We have sort of gotten an answer to this (sort of). The crazy shit happening on Lost island is messing with BOTH TIME- as shown by the time delay to the outside world & the ability of Richard to both visit young Locke & father him- all without aging, & SPACE- as seen through the movement of Ben off the island- AND the movement of the ACTUAL island!
(y)


A few other random thoughts about the nastiest season finale to date!

-How come Locke didn't just remove the dead man trigger off the crazy dying guy and put it on his arm- he wasn't about to die and you heart beats slow enough that you could easily move it from one pulse to another without causing a disruption in expected pace( maybe he had an arythmia?) My biggest issue common sense wise with an other wise amazing finale!

-Jin not dead? He could very well have been moved by the island like Faraday must have been (one minute his boat is right off the coast of the island the next there is no island and no boat!). If the island wanted him there- why not, right?

Last lets talk Penny and Desmond- not that I'm not so very happy for the 2 of them- but a couple of crucial issues arise here- Penny is Whittmore's daughter- which brings up a whole host of questions!
First- presumably she is using his/their fortune to do this multi year search and rescue mission for Desmond- he doesn't notice/ mind? Really?
Next- Jack and the survivors are telling Penny the real deal and lying to everyone else- again, remember who Penny is. Are Desmond and Penny going to spend the rest of there lives sailing the seven seas to be safe from her Dad?

Anyway- GREAT finale- very excited for it to pick up again in the fall.
Enjoy your summers everyone!
:)

I defiantly missed that, where/when was that explained?

[mathcart]

I defiantly missed that, where/when was that explained?

Its all the Locke episode from this season- at the very beginning when his mother has given birth and her mother is talking about the older man who fathered the baby, right before Richard shows up and she's all "what are you doing here!?!" Go re-watch the beginning of that episode on-line again- its definitely there!
(y)

[ericlee]

who was the guy that threw Locke out of the window?

I know he was killed on the island by Locke in one episode but, if Richard is Locke's father, I'm confused.

[roosta]

who was the guy that threw Locke out of the window?

I know he was killed on the island by Locke in one episode but, if Richard is Locke's father, I'm confused.

Well..Richard is possibly Locke's "biological" father, but Locke was raised by the dude Sawyer killed.

[Junker]

Its all the Locke episode from this season- at the very beginning when his mother has given birth and her mother is talking about the older man who fathered the baby, right before Richard shows up and she's all "what are you doing here!?!" Go re-watch the beginning of that episode on-line again- its definitely there!
(y)

Well, I've watched again and she didn't say anything like this. When Richard appears on that litle window the nurse asks her if he's the father and she says "I don't know who that is".

[mathcart]

Well, I've watched again and she didn't say anything like this. When Richard appears on that litle window the nurse asks her if he's the father and she says "I don't know who that is".

REALLY!?!?!
I was just going from memory from the first time I watched it- but I could definetely be wrong. WHOOPS! my bad- I'll go watch it again.
:confused:

[mathcart]

who was the guy that threw Locke out of the window?

I know he was killed on the island by Locke in one episode but, if Richard is Locke's father, I'm confused.

Well..Richard is possibly Locke's "biological" father, but Locke was raised by the dude Sawyer killed.

Locke wasn't raised by him- he's a con man who entered Lockes life when he was an adult and conned him out of a kidney- straight OG! They were definitely playing with the possibility that it was a total con and he wasn't Lockes anything other than the dude that coned his ass out of a semi-vital organ.

But I concede I might of been telling tales out of school on the Richard is Lockes father front- I'll rewatch tomorrow and either come back and apologize or rub that shit in your non-believing asses! (only time will tell) Thats how I roll!
;)

[roosta]

Locke wasn't raised by him- he's a con man who entered Lockes life when he was an adult and conned him out of a kidney- straight OG! They were definitely playing with the possibility that it was a total con and he wasn't Lockes anything other than the dude that coned his ass out of a semi-vital organ.

;)

oh, yes! You're right.

[ericlee]

Yeah that's right. He was just some con man. I forgot that Sawyer was the one who did him in. I'll have to recap

That fight scene between Sayid and that marine was pretty well acted out on the last one.

[Tzar]

whispers + christian + 4 toe'd shoe statue + black smoke + how the red-hair'd chick got to the island the first time

i want these answered as soon as possible.

[Junker]

whispers + christian + 4 toe'd shoe statue + black smoke + how the red-hair'd chick got to the island the first time

i want these answered as soon as possible.

Im with you mate!

[ericlee]

I definately know the black smoke was created by the others as their protection to ward off unwanted intruders from the island because Ben activated it against the group of marines. Possibly Ben's creation?

Still waiting for an explaination for the polar bears though. I'm thinking that since we now know the island has the ability to be moved, maybe it was once moved to an artic environment?

[mathcart]

whispers + christian + 4 toe'd shoe statue + black smoke + how the red-hair'd chick got to the island the first time

i want these answered as soon as possible.

I definately know the black smoke was created by the others as their protection to ward off unwanted intruders from the island because Ben activated it against the group of marines. Possibly Ben's creation?

Still waiting for an explaination for the polar bears though. I'm thinking that since we now know the island has the ability to be moved, maybe it was once moved to an artic environment?

First of all still haven't re-watched the Locke episode so I got nothing to say on that front... yet.

Now to the 2 above points-
Eric- its a good hypothesis about Ben being the Daddy of the Black Smoke- it certainly makes some sense- but I'm still not sold on it.

As for the Polar Bears- we've been given a few answers already. There was a zoo cage for polar bears back in the mini season beginning of season 3, so they could of been kept on the (other) island. This season when we first meet Charlote in the Tunisian desert she is excavating a polar bear fossil with a dharma neck tag.
I believe I have previously stated my theory about there being a connection between the Tunisian desert, the arctic, and Lost island. There is a way to move between these three areas but maybe with not so much control. The Ben episode was the major proof there- right after the season finale he wakes up in the desert after hurting his arm falling down the ladder to move the island- the byproduct of doing this is that he also moved- to the desert- although he was also prepared for the arctic (parka).
Thats the theory.

Tzar- all I wanted to say was if they ever explain the 4 freakin' toed foot statue I might just keel over- its my favorite unanswered Lost question!
:)

[ericlee]

I may just have to start over from season 1 since I have 1-4 on DVD. I really had no time to get in depth and I'm reading alot of things I've missed.

It also sucks for me now cause I work on Thursday nights so I have to catch the recent ones online.

So, it looks like a Lostathon starting this weekend! Don't bother me, anyone.

[Bob]

i've been thinking of rewatching season 1 too. i remember thinking that it was really good, and then the show just got silly after that, but i can't remember what was so good about season one. i wonder if i'd still think it was great if i watched it again

also, what ever happened to vincent (the dog)?

[Junker]

whispers + christian + 4 toe'd shoe statue + black smoke + how the red-hair'd chick got to the island the first time

i want these answered as soon as possible.

oh, and I'd also add the mystery around Walt. Why he's so special and shit.

[ToucanSpam]

According to lostpedia one of the major female cast members dissapeers for the entire fifth season only to return in season six. Any guesses? I'm thinking Claire since its the only one that makes sense.

[checkyourprez]

According to lostpedia one of the major female cast members dissapeers for the entire fifth season only to return in season six. Any guesses? I'm thinking Claire since its the only one that makes sense.

I'll go with that.

[Junker]

Me too. Now she's a ghost.... booooooooo *imitating a creepy voice*

[mathcart]

That fight scene between Sayid and that marine was pretty well acted out on the last one.

Totally EPIC I think you meant. I admit I felt a little cheated when the shot him to "end" it. I wanted another few rounds!


According to lostpedia one of the major female cast members dissapeers for the entire fifth season only to return in season six. Any guesses? I'm thinking Claire since its the only one that makes sense.

Me too. Now she's a ghost.... booooooooo *imitating a creepy voice*

Like Zoinks, Man!
*voice cracking as I run away in a cartoon cloud of dust*

[mathcart]

Well, I've watched again and she didn't say anything like this. When Richard appears on that litle window the nurse asks her if he's the father and she says "I don't know who that is".

So I finally re-watched the episode in question and, while you are right and I was wrong about the actual text, I stand by the subtext of that moment being the key- John's grandma is being awfully cagey and I think Richard still could of been the father.
In fact the death stare between her and Richard is all the unspoken proof I need! I'm holding firm to this theory, who's with me?
*sound of crickets heard*

[Junker]

So I finally re-watched the episode in question and, while you are right and I was wrong about the actual text, I stand by the subtext of that moment being the key- John's grandma is being awfully cagey and I think Richard still could of been the father.
In fact the death stare between her and Richard is all the unspoken proof I need! I'm holding firm to this theory, who's with me?
*sound of crickets heard*

Well, it could be Richard since John's grandma tells the guy her daughter was seeing was a lot older than her. And there's nobody older than Richard in the show. :D

[Tzar]

whispers + christian + 4 toe'd shoe statue + black smoke + how the red-hair'd chick got to the island the first time

+ adam and eve + the numbers!! how could we forget.. this whole show is tied and themed around these numbers.

[Junker]

+ adam and eve + the numbers!! how could we forget.. this whole show is tied and themed around these numbers.

true true.... what's the deal with those freakin numbers?
and the visions, the illuminating dreams, the black rock, the Russeau crew?
I just hope they can answer all these misteries.