Death is not an option

[hitmonlee]

what job would you choose, and why.

[russhie]

Bartending. Tight teeshirts and sleazy men, hooray.

Seriously, temping is crap and food service is boring.

[hitmonlee]

Bartending. Tight teeshirts and sleazy men, hooray.

Seriously, temping is crap and food service is boring.

hahaha, im pretty good with sleazy men. i'm approachable but not a knockout so i dont tend to attract stalkers, and am happy to receive tips.

i already have a second job bartending but its at the football so a totally different kind of bartending... its probably the best paid out of all of them if you compare time worked/money. temping being the next best paid... call centres are cushy and have perks.... but my housemate reckons they treat you like cattle.

HMMMZ

[mikizee]

Hitmonlee, you're hot. Do bartending. Itsa far more interesting job than the others. And if I, an ugly male, make $150 a night in tips you sure can.

[QueenAdrock]

Temping. Just because if it's a shitty job, it's over in like a week or whatever, and sometimes awesome jobs may want to hire you full time. Bartending and food service and call service stuff is too customer-service oriented. I'd rather do office work on my own than have to deal with bitchy/drunk customers.

[MC Moot]

I'd say temping...you never know what may hapen if you impress...but I also might bartend,if it was a day shift...I can't work nights my body and mind won't have it...

[abcdefz]

Temping... doing what, exactly? Secretarial stuff, billing...?

[beastiegirrl101]

since Chicago has become smoke free I want to do bartending part time but I have zero experience . . .I've been in the restaurant biz and the people that went to "bartending school" their applications were tossed...I'd love to pick up some shifts at a divey type of bar, the only thing that is holding me back are the late hours.

I'd say go with temping, it's sort of like shopping for a job getting to check out different offices and such.

[camo]

Bartending.

A time in my life when girls asked me out on a regular basis. Good times (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah, bartenders got gash on tap. (y)

[na§tee]

yeah, temping. more flexibility and opportunity to be taken on full-time.

i actually took my job originally through an agency to cover my back inbetween doing film/television freelance stuff back before when i thought it wasn't a complete waste of time. they saw i had previous experience working as a communications professional (LOL! oh how i love these phrases) in a press office for local government, so now i do broadly the same thing - internal/external comms, electronic comms, news distribution, publications, blah blaarrgh, but in the education sector. for a university.
now i've been here almost two years, whoop.

i got a literal 50%+ pay increase and a graduate level salary, which after my degree was all i wanted, tbh, to think that "graduate level salary" wasn't a complete fucking myth (does anyone else think that?). more than likely if they really want you to stay they will advertise internally (aka: practically give it to you), but if they want to be more 'transparent' they will advertise externally. you'll be competing with more people for the permanent role but it will be you who has been working with whoever it is for however long, so that immediately gives you a competitive edge.

you only see a small percentage of what the place you are working at is paying the agency. they make an enormous amount of money whoring out these casual workers, so try not to be taken advantage of. know your rights. i don't know what it is like in australia, but make sure you're not stumped when it comes to knowing your rights to paid holiday, statutory sick pay, minimum wage and limits on working time.

if you are not looking for anything long-term at least if it's shit you can move to a different assignment, too /shrugs.

my flatmate just got fired from a call centre because they said they could smell booze on her breath post calling in sick. ha. er, not through the phone. the day after.

[camo]

Yeah, bartenders got gash on tap. (y)

You mean like warm lager?


That's gash


:D



christ na§tee where do you keep popping up with these essays!?!?!?

[na§tee]

i'm thinking: 'at least he didn't say clunge'.

camo, i figure in the two essay-rific posts i have made for the first time in a while i might as well use up my word allowance.
er.. the imaginary word allowance. i do type a lot. typetypetype. hey, i COMMUNICATE! PROFESSIONALLY!

[Kid Presentable]

They'll ban you, Na$tee. Settle down.

[camo]

i'm thinking: 'at least he didn't say clunge'.!

good word!

[Tone Capone]

Bartending. It's fun, you get hella tips and you get to sleep in :)

[beastieangel01]

Temping. Just because if it's a shitty job, it's over in like a week or whatever, and sometimes awesome jobs may want to hire you full time. Bartending and food service and call service stuff is too customer-service oriented. I'd rather do office work on my own than have to deal with bitchy/drunk customers.

I'm with her on this one, yo.

[Burnout18]

Bartending. It's fun, you get hella tips and you get to sleep in :)

Thats exactly why i picked bartender,,, a lot of tips,, esp if you show some skin

[Yetra Flam]

inbound call centre work is easy and pays well. especially in a government department. outbound, forget about it.

[cookiepuss]

Bartending. because it's fun. I did it for over a year.(y)

[checkyourprez]

hah 0 for call center.

this one asshole kept calling my house asking for donations for some bullshit. like EVERYDAY 5 times a day. always the same times.

eventually i just told him the fuck off and get a real job.


i have stopped receiving those calls.

[kll]

best tips, you can talk all night, you can get away with being rude, good networking

[hardnox71]

kll is right. I used to bounce in a few clubs about ten years ago and some of the bartenders were making obscene amounts of money. A few of them were complete assholes, too. The more money they made, the worse their egos got.

[Caribou]

I´ve worked in 'food service' for over 3 years now, and at first I didn't like it that much, but it's ok now. The work itself isn't too great, but my colleagues are sweet people and we just have fun all the time. They're the reason I don't mind going to work.

But I would like to be a bartender. Not only because of the tips, but because I'm very much an evening/night person and getting up early is hell for me. And you get to meet loads of people and there's always music which is cool.

I worked at a bar for about a week, it was my first job ever and I was nervous and shy and the people I worked with were pure evil and I had a nervous breakdown on day 2. So then my boss placed me to a shop instead.
But now I'm older and wiser and I'm not so shy anymore and my people skills have improved, so I don't think bar work would be a problem anymore.
I'm actually going to volunteer to do some barwork at a really cool festival here in Rotterdam. Well, I hope they pick me for it and not decide to put me in charge of coats or cleaning instead. :s

[Yetra Flam]

i would totally be a bartender if i had the skills and experience - earn $500 a night in tips. how do you get into doing that? go to bartending school?

[hitmonlee]

the only reason i'm not so keen on temping is because i've been a receptionist for 10 years now, i don't know if the change of scenery will help, or if its just sitting and typing shit that is making me go mad.

[russhie]

^how old are you?

Temping is poo. They sell it based on "variety" "flexible hours" and "potential to go f/t". It's all bullshit. Job ads are all bullshit anyway, I write the fuckers. The more honest you are the less applicants you'll get.

Temping is: a 3 month assignment, pitted against other 12 temps to see who will get the two ongoing positions, you wake up, go to work, know you're expendable, know you're doing the work the others at the office won't touch, and yes, apparently they can tell the rest of you 2 1/2 months in, at 3.30 on a friday afternoon, that you won't be needed on monday thankyou very much.

[hitmonlee]

i'm 26 (27 this year). i went straight from school and hungry jacks into uni and reception work. have been at that reception job nearly 10 years now, and for second jobs i have worked the bar at various festivals and AFL/rugby games/concerts (so i'm not trained to make cocktails or anything like that but i have my RSA certificate).

so i have experience in all areas except for call centres. if i was going to go call centre i'd do complaints/billing and not sales. i'm good at dealing with things, but have no initiative of my own.

one of my friends went from temping into a good job, she's earning double what i earn, but she also has to get drug tested because she works for a mining company.

i have no plans to piss in a cup.

[The Notorious LOL]

call centers arent terrible depending on what you do. Outbound telemarketing pretty much sucks. I did that when I was 16...the alternative being making $5 an hour flipping burgers and I decided $8 to harass people to sign up for credit cards was better. I also enjoyed ruining peoples mornings by calling at 9 AM on a Saturday :)

temping is kind of an open playing field, and its nice because if the job sucks its easy to bail. A lot of companies strictly hire thru staffing agencies as well so whatever you do temp could go full time if you so desired.

[Kid Presentable]

best tips, you can talk all night, you can get away with being rude, good networking

Tips are nothing for most untrained, casual bar staff in Perth. If you go for a nightclub, be prepared to have your following day's sleep completely ruined, alongside all the chemicals you'll wind up doing. Seriously, if you have no cocktail experience, you'll only wind up doing a job that is barely a step above the counter-work at HJ's.

I'd go the call-centre, unless you have a deep yearning to typecast yourself as a receptionist. Telstra call-centre jobs (I'm told) have rotating rosters, and a pretty decent working environment. You're right about not wanting to do sales, but aside from that, a job where you get to sit down and not have to look at ugly people sounds awesome. The only thing is the employer of choice in Perth. Burswood? Did you have one in mind?

[russhie]

i'm 26 (27 this year). i went straight from school and hungry jacks into uni and reception work. have been at that reception job nearly 10 years now, and for second jobs i have worked the bar at various festivals and AFL/rugby games/concerts (so i'm not trained to make cocktails or anything like that but i have my RSA certificate).

so i have experience in all areas except for call centres. if i was going to go call centre i'd do complaints/billing and not sales. i'm good at dealing with things, but have no initiative of my own.

one of my friends went from temping into a good job, she's earning double what i earn, but she also has to get drug tested because she works for a mining company.

i have no plans to piss in a cup.

haha

What did you study?

I think my biggest problem with temping is that it's mostly large companies that use agencies to hire temps from, and if you get ongoing work it's more like you fell into it as opposed to working towards what you love, yeah? Maybe that's just me, but I prefer boutique industries...I don't want to just work to make ends meet.

[hitmonlee]

i hear aus post and westnet call centres are ok.
telstra have one hell of a recruiting process and i already know some people that work there and i don't want to tread on their toes.

as for sleep i can never sleep at night anyway so im not worried about sleeping through the day, although i don't want a club i want a pub, as i can't get home from a club easily, and there are no clubs in my area i would consider working at. looking at a pub like the albion hotel - not really a cocktail drinking crowd there.

[The Notorious LOL]

I think my biggest problem with temping is that it's mostly large companies that use agencies to hire temps from, and if you get ongoing work it's more like you fell into it as opposed to working towards what you love, yeah? Maybe that's just me, but I prefer boutique industries...I don't want to just work to make ends meet.

Theres some validity to what you said but it all depends, I guess. For example, my younger sister went into her "field of study" after college which basically resulted in her doing retail management for shit pay. After about 3 years of that, she got frustrated and quit and registered with a staffing agency. She sort of took the "lets see what happens" approach and ended up getting placed at a large company doing something she never anticipated she would do. Nontheless, she loves her job and she makes a good amount.

The most recent job I started was as a temp. The initial pay was a few dollar decrease from the previous employer. After six months I interviewed, got hired, and got about a very large pay increase far surpassing what the previous jobs salary was. Is it something I really want to do? Nope. Am I passionate about it? not really, no. Does it pay the bills and afford me the luxury to be able to enjoy my time off and not stress about what bills I owe? Absolutely :D

[russhie]

I'd never waitress again. I did it to help some people out and even though I did get tips and the hourly rate wasn't bad, I didn't like the kitchen staff (rude) and people who let their snotty nosed eight year olds order for the table - "Where does rump steak come from?" There isn't a way to answer that without said child wrinkling nose and laughing because ewwww people eat cow bum.

[Kid Presentable]

The Albion is an Ogden's pub (if I'm not mistaken). Staff within these pubs are completely disposable, and they expect a pretty high standard of commitment. A ton of split and double shifts (which is fine if you want it), and very little in the way of thanks. But, you're a female, and generally hospitality is kinder to women. As easy as you get a job is as easy as you'll lose it, though.

I only offer a warning on getting into hospitality because having come out the other end, I don't really recommend it to many people. But, that's because it's a mistake most have to make on their own. There are worse jobs, but it's not the "OMG bar tending must rock!" type of deal, either. Some people love it. I can't stand the tedium of rude, drunk people, pretentious staff and patrons, the cleaning (which nobody mentions), the responsibility and so on.

Yeah, Westnet are a good one, btw. You should go for that type of thing. iinest have an office here, too. I think.

Just to clarify, is this a second job, or a new direction?

[hitmonlee]

my evil ex who's name i can't bear to mention and who makes me cry when i see him in public, reportedly works at the iinet call centre.

i also can't work at the NAB call centre, as his evil german gf works there.

its a new job to replace my current 1st (full-time) job. i've made a commitment to my second job so don't really want to leave them in the lurch straightaway, but its only one shift/week.

and yeah albion is an ogden's. they've been advertising for staff all year (different positions, but their name keeps coming up on seek) and its only a 10 min bus/train ride away. otherwise i'd look at the cap s, except with 2 exboyfriends next door, its not ideal. but i can walk there/back.

russhie - i'd ruled out waitressing already as im a klutz and can't carry plates, the food service was more making food/kitchen hand type work. as in unqualified shitkicking work out the back. or making cawfee.

[Kid Presentable]

I wasn't trying to come off as patronizing, I just figure you should know that Hospo is an evil beast when it's all you do.

[hitmonlee]

i didn't say you were?...
i know its not glam, i have spent a lot of time in hospitality over the years. no jobs are glam, i'm trying to pick one that won't make me want to kill myself and will help me earn $$$ so i can get out of debt.

russhie i studied business for about 2 semesters part time. i think i handed in one assignment and didnt do any exams. i was too busy rAvInG. :rolleyes:

[Kid Presentable]

I know you didn't say I was, I just hear the way some things might be read and I get a little sad.

[hitmonlee]

update: resigned today

:o


:eek:

synergy call centre pays $50k, but my housemate works at synergy, don't wanna cramp his style.