Spitzer's whore is OBSCENELY hot

[RobMoney$]

I saw the bathing suit picture on CNN a few times and then folks apparently started passing around pictures from her myspace page. I've heard the NY Post had some revealing pics of her they published but I haven't seen them yet.

If you're a multi-millionaire like Spitzer is, I guess a $1000 an hour is not a lot to spend on that.

[Auton]

link please

[ms.peachy]

She's a nice looking girl. Hey look, you don't get to charge thousands of bucks if you're a bow wow, ya know?

[Kid Presentable]

^Taking it in the bum, at that price. I'm guessing.

[ms.peachy]

^Taking it in the bum, at that price. I'm guessing.

Well, treat yourself some time, then you'll know.

[Kid Presentable]

*has $15*

[YoungRemy]

she's going to make about a million from all of this. she already 200 grand on her music downloads alone. add a playboy or hustler deal, some interviews, etc...

her song is god awful...

[p-branez]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/nyregion/12cnd-kristen.html

the first one is hot, but the next two don't even look like the same person. girls always put their best picture as their profile picture, so you have to investigate deeper to see what she really looks like.

[TOY]

She's still a whore.

[RobMoney$]

If it's links you want...

Here's her myspace (http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta)

another link (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html) to some pics.

Some rap video (http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSiteId=0db7b365-a288-4708-857b-8bdb545cbd0f&vxChannel=NY%20Post&vxClipId=1458_253500&vxBitrate=700) she's featured in.

The Rap video in its' entirety (http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSiteId=0db7b365-a288-4708-857b-8bdb545cbd0f&vxChannel=NY%20Post&vxClipId=1458_253504&vxBitrate=700)

Here a link (http://www.nypost.com/seven/03132008/news/regionalnews/03132008_family/photo01.htm) to pics of her & her family.



Larry Flint has already put a million dollar offer on the table for this girl.

[YoungRemy]

typical Jersey whore

[RobMoney$]

Whore is def. more appropriate here, but I always called them Jersey Pigs.
I don't know what it is with that state, but they sure do always live up to that name.

[Yetra Flam]

she's not ugly. but shit, definitely not $5000 hot.

[Kid Presentable]

Coins would want to be coming out on every out-stroke at that price.

Yeah I said out-stroke fool

[Auton]

If it's links you want...

Here's her myspace (http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta)

another link (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html) to some pics.

Some rap video (http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSiteId=0db7b365-a288-4708-857b-8bdb545cbd0f&vxChannel=NY%20Post&vxClipId=1458_253500&vxBitrate=700) she's featured in.

The Rap video in its' entirety (http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSiteId=0db7b365-a288-4708-857b-8bdb545cbd0f&vxChannel=NY%20Post&vxClipId=1458_253504&vxBitrate=700)

Here a link (http://www.nypost.com/seven/03132008/news/regionalnews/03132008_family/photo01.htm) to pics of her & her family.



Larry Flint has already put a million dollar offer on the table for this girl.

ah, thanks.

i should have checked the smoking gun in the first place, i didn't even think of it.

[RobMoney$]

she's not ugly. but shit, definitely not $5000 hot.

(!)Consider that maybe he wasn't paying for her "looks", but how she performed in the bedroom.
She is a PRO, which means she is soo good at what she does that she can get men to pay $1000 an hour for her to do it.


According to this (http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:lN2HaQH3EYgJ:www.emperorsclubvip.co m/EmperorsClubVipRates.html+site:emperorsclubvip.com +rates), Spitzer was actually shopping in the bargain basement at the Emperors Club.
$1000 an hour means Ashley was only a "3 diamond" model. :p


...also, he wasn't paying so much to have sex with her as much as he was paying her to leave and to be discreet

[TOY]

(!)Consider that maybe he wasn't paying for her "looks", but how she performed in the bedroom.
She is a PRO, which means she is soo good at what she does that she can get men to pay $1000 an hour for her to do it.


According to this (http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:lN2HaQH3EYgJ:www.emperorsclubvip.co m/EmperorsClubVipRates.html+site:emperorsclubvip.com +rates), Spitzer was actually shopping in the bargain basement at the Emperors Club.
$1000 an hour means Ashley was only a "3 diamond" model. :p


...also, he wasn't paying so much to have sex with her as much as he was paying her to leave and to be discreet

I'd like to know how they're picked to be whores through these agency places, and how their whole Pokémon stats or whatever is decided.

[russhie]

She is a PRO, which means she is soo good at what she does that she can get men to pay $1000 an hour for her to do it.


This made me laugh.

You cough up a grand to ride some whore for an hour? Course you're gonna tell yourself it was great afterwards. Doesn't mean she's any better than me, or any other girl who can't be bought.

[Maisailana]

I wouldn't say "OBSCENELY" hot. Maybe "QUITE" hot.

[RobMoney$]

This made me laugh.

You cough up a grand to ride some whore for an hour? Course you're gonna tell yourself it was great afterwards. Doesn't mean she's any better than me, or any other girl who can't be bought.


It was a 4 hour session, 4 HOURS!
That alone should give you a hint that she's amazing in bed.

When you're a multi-millionaire polotician who's cheating on his wife and you want a 22yo. whore who's an amazing piece of ass and who's going to keep her mouth shut about it, maybe $1000 an hour isn't so much after all.

[ms.peachy]

She's still a whore.

You say that like it's unequivocally a bad thing. Hey, it's not the career I'd choose for myself or my daughter, but I'm not convinced that being a high-priced call girl is the worst job in the world, in the right circumstances.

[Kid Presentable]

Being an expensive prossie>>bottleshop attendant. :(

[Yetra Flam]

if you saw how fuckin ugly and disgusting that spitzer guy is, you'd see why a prostitute would charge so much

[Kid Presentable]

It was a 4 hour session, 4 HOURS!
That alone should give you a hint that she's amazing in bed.

When you're a multi-millionaire polotician who's cheating on his wife and you want a 22yo. whore who's an amazing piece of ass and who's going to keep her mouth shut about it, maybe $1000 an hour isn't so much after all.

At least two hours of that would be him crying.

[Lex Diamonds]

I'd like to know how they're picked to be whores through these agency places, and how their whole Pokémon stats or whatever is decided.
Gotta catch 'em all!
STDs!

[paul jones]

Gotta catch 'em all!
STDs!


(y)

[b i o n i c]

You say that like it's unequivocally a bad thing. Hey, it's not the career I'd choose for myself or my daughter, but I'm not convinced that being a high-priced call girl is the worst job in the world, in the right circumstances.

no.

[cookiepuss]

Gotta catch 'em all!
STDs!

ah actually, prostitutes that come at that price are usually tested regularly and practice safe sex. the kind of high profile people that hire them can't be bringing home STDs to their wives.


I think she's damn hot. and to be the kind of girl that escorts politicians, you have to be able to carry on a conversation...it's kinda like the Geisha's in Japan...who were/are prostitutes, yes, but more importantly they are educated hostesses and entertainers.

Oh and I'm with Ms. Peachy...I'm not going to put this woman down for her choice.

[b i o n i c]

if she wants to let old men shove a shlong in her ass for money, then fine. the resulting celebrity of being a ho is wrong. people are retarded for consuming it. her song was #1 most requested on Z100 this week, and this is a station with a large audience of young teenage girls. the message this is sending to them isnt right.

[cookiepuss]

if she wants to let old men shove a shlong in her ass for money, then fine. the resulting celebrity of being a ho is wrong. people are retarded for consuming it. her song was #1 most requested on Z100 this week, and this is a station with a large audience of young teenage girls. the message this is sending to them isnt right.


well then we should definitly be banning Paris Hilton's music from the radio too. Because she's a whore. and I have alot less respect for Paris than I do For this Ms. Dupre.

[abcdefz]

"Obscenely" is obscenely overstating things.

[b i o n i c]

well then we should definitly be banning Paris Hilton's music from the radio too. Because she's a whore. and I have alot less respect for Paris than I do For this Ms. Dupre.

agreed(y)

[cookiepuss]

um-kay. Whores are bad. Um-kay.

[b i o n i c]

if a whore isnt a whore then who is

[cookiepuss]

we're all whores in one way or another..we just don't want to admit it. but everyone has a price...even if it's nothing to do with sex. ;)

[b i o n i c]

you cant call someone a bank robber for thinking about robbing a bank.

a whore is a whore for doing things whores do.

[cookiepuss]

oh come on you know what I mean...under certain circumstances, most people can be bought in one way or another...and I don't mean bought for sex.

[b i o n i c]

this is about sex

[Kid Presentable]

if she wants to let old men shove a shlong in her ass for money, then fine. the resulting celebrity of being a ho is wrong. people are retarded for consuming it. her song was #1 most requested on Z100 this week, and this is a station with a large audience of young teenage girls. the message this is sending to them isnt right.

Can only blame an idiot public for that.

[cookiepuss]

this is about sex

I thought this was about WHORES! :p haaa.

[b i o n i c]

Can only blame an idiot public for that.

yes and the whole industry that pushes it. if you handed out cigarettes at a high school you could blame the kids for taking and smoking them, but most people would say no one should be standing there giving them out in the first place.

[hpdrifter]

I agree that this surge of popularity and interest in her seems to be grossly out of proportion with her looks, talent, or the incident that thrust her into the spotlight to begin with.

I can only hope it won't last long.

[ms.peachy]

Can only blame an idiot public for that.

Yes, exactly. Hey, she didn't put herself in the public eye - as a call girl, she did her job and maintained discretion; it is the media that has put the spotlight on her. This would have happened regardless of what her ultimate professional aspirations were. As it happens, she fancies being a pop star and so there is this other material already available. I haven't heard anny of her music, but I gather from what I've read that it's not great, and it may well be that she's not got real talent as a performer. If so, then yeah, interest in her will die down when the next flavour-of-the-month comes along. Or, she can parlay this episode into long-term infamy, that is also possible, if that's what she wants. In the end, she didn't break her cover, but now that she's out there, she's got to decide if she wants to milk it for all it's worth as long as she can, or fade away quietly. If iwas her, my instinct would be to make hay while the sun shines.

[ms.peachy]

yes and the whole industry that pushes it. if you handed out cigarettes at a high school you could blame the kids for taking and smoking them, but most people would say no one should be standing there giving them out in the first place.

I don't get your argument. I mean, basically it seems to me you are doing the classic "OH WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN" handwringing. Hearing a song on the radio isn't going to make anyone go out on the corner and offer blow jobs for cash.

[b i o n i c]

Yes, exactly. Hey, she didn't put herself in the public eye - as a call girl, she did her job and maintained discretion; it is the media that has put the spotlight on her. This would have happened regardless of what her ultimate professional aspirations were. As it happens, she fancies being a pop star and so there is this other material already available. I haven't heard anny of her music, but I gather from what I've read that it's not great, and it may well be that she's not got real talent as a performer. If so, then yeah, interest in her will die down when the next flavour-of-the-month comes along. Or, she can parlay this episode into long-term infamy, that is also possible, if that's what she wants. In the end, she didn't break her cover, but now that she's out there, she's got to decide if she wants to milk it for all it's worth as long as she can, or fade away quietly. If iwas her, my instinct would be to make hay while the sun shines.

she may not have chosen to put herself in the public eye, probably because she couldnt, but she sure will be trying stay in it as long as she can.

[hpdrifter]

While I agree that this being in the media isn't going to cause anyone to go out and become a prostitute that probably wasn't already interested in that life I think that throwing out those big numbers and focusing on the "high-priced" thing may lead some to believe that its an easy line of work to get into. I think its a relatively small percentage of prostitutes who make that much money.

[b i o n i c]

I don't get your argument. I mean, basically it seems to me you are doing the classic "OH WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN" handwringing. Hearing a song on the radio isn't going to make anyone go out on the corner and offer blow jobs for cash.

i wasnt referring to how i think she should have the right to do whatever she wants with body. i was referring to her celebrity as a result of being a hooker, specifically playing her music on a radio station that caters to 10-16 year old girls. because, you know, its ok for kids to idolize prostitutes.

[ms.peachy]

she may not have chosen to put herself in the public eye, probably because she couldnt, but she sure will be trying stay in it as long as she can.

Why shouldn't she? Opportunity only knocks once, mate.

[ms.peachy]

i wasnt referring to how i think she should have the right to do whatever she wants with body. i was referring to her celebrity as a result of being a hooker, specifically playing her music on a radio station that caters to 10-16 year old girls. because, you know, its ok for kids to idolize prostitutes.

Well for god's sake, we'd better never let them see Pretty Woman, then.

[hpdrifter]

I guess I'm just confused as to why this incident is making such an impact. I mean, this isn't the first time a politician has been caught patronizing a hooker. And she's not the prettiest hooker to have been featured in such a story. I guess I just don't understand why there seems to be such fascination with her in particular. Her back story, her goals, etc.

[b i o n i c]

Well for god's sake, we'd better never let them see Pretty Woman, then.

maybe not. at least not play it on nickolodeon.

[cookiepuss]

Well for god's sake, we'd better never let them see Pretty Woman, then.

oh god...exactly!

Pretty Woman was my FAVORITE movie when I was 14 years old. I was OBSESSED with it. However, I went to college and got a degree...and I didn't start stripping (although you all know I have no problem with women who do) and I have never been paid for sex.

Now...here's another good point...I had parents who played an active role in my life. and there was no way in Hell my mom was gonna let me leave the house in the kinda whore clothes Julia Roberts wore in Pretty Woman, no matter how much I may have thought I wanted to. They did make one concession and let me get a pair of knee high black boots...but they weren't those shinny vynil whore boots that she had in the movie. So my parents did thier job in making sure I understood that there was nothing to be glorified about a hooker's lifestyle.

Let the parents worry about thier children.


ps. I really wouldn't be all that surprised if they gave this chick her own reality show. that seems to be the natural progression of things these days. just look at Kim Kardashian.

[abcdefz]

ps. I really wouldn't be all that surprised if they gave this chick her own reality show. that seems to be the natural progression of things these days.



The King of Comedy totally called it.

[b i o n i c]

this is kind of funny, actually. if some singer gained noteriety with songs about chastity, abstinence, marriage, modesty and family, they'd laughed out of town along in an uproar. girl sells body and makes money with songs like "i know what you want i got what you want", no problem(y).

pyou were not the intended audience for pretty woman. i doubt that the same type of audience that made the producers of pretty woman rich are the ones buying this chick's music and requesting it on z100.

[cookiepuss]

this is kind of funny, actually. if some singer gained noteriety with songs about chastity, abstinence, marriage, modesty and family, they'd laughed out of town along in an uproar. girl sells body and makes money with songs like "i know what you want i got what you want", no problem(y).

pyou were not the intended audience for pretty woman. i doubt that the same type of audience that made the producers of pretty woman rich are the ones buying this chick's music and requesting it on z100.

alright...I haven't heard her music..but I kinda doubt that it was her plan to market her music to 10-16 year old girls either. I seriously doubt that's her intended audience. It's probably just so crappy that the only ones who will listen it are young people who haven't really fully developed thier musical tastes yet. I'm sure the chick intended to have an adult audience...but young people ended up responding to it. and obviously with out the publicity of this scandal she'd still be one of the thousands of people trying to self promote thier music on myspace...and alot of children may not even know about the scandal...maybe they just heard the song (because it got play because she got famous) and they keep requesting it now.

[Auton]

The King of Comedy totally called it.

(y)

[b i o n i c]

this isnt about whether she's a good person or not or whether or not she intended for this to happen. she is what she is, a prostitute. she may be the nicest person in the world, but she makes money by laying on her back and letting old men have sex with her. believe it or not, i actually think she seems pretty nice and approachable - even fairly intelligent. i'd dig her if she wasnt a hooker. everyone has their opinion on that. if she wants to do that, shit, who am i to tell her what to do. id check that hustler pictorial out, id even do her on a prepaid date :P, that doesnt make it ok

its about whether or not she deserves to have this kind of celebrity and whether or not people should support or think its ok for kids to be sold the music of someone who is famous because she banged old men for money. giving a chick like this celebrity and portaying her as empowered only perpetuate the message of "the ends justify the means". if she was giving it up to make money for her dying mother and got all this money as donations, maybe that would be an end that justifies the means. selling your body so you can afford a $5000 a month apartment and fame doesnt really justify the means for me, but thats her choice. sure she wasnt prostituting to get famous, but that's the message. if she just stayed a prostitute would be one thing. the fame is what im talking about

shoot, if there are adults (which i doubt) out there consuming her crap, then i just feel sorry for them. for singers like this, everyone knows that its teenagers who choose what becomes popular. they should have anything other than prostitutes to choose from.d

[cookiepuss]

I see what you are saying...I just don't see how this woman differs all that much from all the other young starlettes out there who really don't deserve thier fame either.

Young girls still want to by brittany spears albums too. is she a good role model? was it ok for her to run around a flash her cooch to the photgraphers? No. it wasn't. is she a whore...well yeah she kinda is. I don't think Brittnay is really all that talented vocally and she's still famous.

young girls still want to see Lindsay Lohan's movies and listen to her shittastic music. Is she a good role model...with her drinking, drugging and whoring around? No she is not. Is she a great actress? she's got some potential, but so far she's not a good actress. IS she still famous? yes she is.

there's a long list of young, loose women in the entertainment industry who are not good role models, who have DUI's, who are getting pregnant at 16, etc, etc. And they might as well be getting paid for old men to fuck them, because one way other another they basically are getting fucked (by thier fame and thier managers and producers.) These young starlettes really aren't all that different from Spitzer's Whore. They are all selling themselves in one way or another.

until people become uninterested in that drama...whores are gonna get famous.

[b i o n i c]

this is much much worse than the pop stars you mentioned, but i totally agree with you otherwise. and you ARE right, whores will get famous. it its true, but it aint right

[ericlee]

I think her knockers are real





















...........nice

[cookiepuss]

this is much much worse than the pop stars you mentioned, but i totally agree with you otherwise.

uh. there is NOTHING worse than seeing Brittany Spears Va-jay-jay. except maybe seeing Oprah's Va-jay-jay.

[RobMoney$]

It's funny that people are getting mad/jealous of her celebrity.
As far as I know, it's not like she's doing Letterman, Leno, or SNL.
She's done NOTHING to promote herself, in fact the opposite is true, she's been downright reclusive.
Her song was recorded long before the Spitzer affair became public knowledge so it's not like she recorded it just to falsely capitalize on her 15 minutes of fame.

Would it make any difference if the music was good and she was actually had something to say in her song? No.

[RobMoney$]

I think her knockers are real





















...........nice


Thanks for getting this thread back on topic (y)

[RobMoney$]

Meet Mary-Kate, aka Maya (http://web.archive.org/web/20070129132607/www.emperorsclubvip.com/Companions/MayaKate/MayaKateX.html). One of the "7 Diamond" girls.

That's what $31k a day will get you.

[ToucanSpam]

100% worth all the trouble.

[BBboy20]

uh. there is NOTHING worse than seeing Brittany Spears Va-jay-jay. except maybe seeing Oprah's Va-jay-jay.Now say it in a sensual yet manly tone.

[Auton]

Spitzer's Whore sounds like a comet or costellation.

[Yetra Flam]

re: "being a prostitute is a good job! she earns so much money! go for her!":
that shit is fucked up. come onnnnnnnnnnnn

[cookiepuss]

re: "being a prostitute is a good job! she earns so much money! go for her!":
that shit is fucked up. come onnnnnnnnnnnn

who said that? I sure didn't. I don't think I heard anyone express an opinion quite like that on here.

[Yetra Flam]

i wasn't quoting anything directly, if i was, i would have quoted it directly. that was the general vibe i was getting from what people were saying.

[b i o n i c]

It's funny that people are getting mad/jealous of her celebrity.

just like some people might be pissed thinking obama is even in the game just because he's black,
other people might have some issue with some chick getting rich and famous as a result of hobbing knob for money. jealous? maybe. jealous of her financial situation, probably. when you're an artist with standards, borders, ethical limitations, or some principles... or just a regular person with some perspective: disillusioned and shortchanged, yes

[ms.peachy]

i wasn't quoting anything directly, if i was, i would have quoted it directly. that was the general vibe i was getting from what people were saying.

I get that I am one of the 'people' you are referring to. Listen: as I said, it's not something I would choose for myself or recommend anyone else do. However, I don't have a huge moral issue with the concept of prostitution. I do have issues with people trafficking and the exploitation of vulnerable individuals, and I'm aware that those things factor into the overall practice of prostitution globally, but I do not believe that ALL prostitutes, esp those that operate in the upper echelon of the business, fall into those categories. I have known a couple of sex workers, one of whom was a girl I went to university with who worked for a top-dollar Manhattan agency, and she was a clever, driven, focussed person. She worked as a call girl for 4 years, paid off her student loans, saved her pennies and now owns a very successful restaurant & catering business.

In the end I think it all just comes down to whether or not you feel it is ever OK for one person to pay another consenting adult person for sexual services. If you think it is never acceptable, then, you know, that's how you feel, and so your opinion is based in that belief. Personally I do not feel that way and I think in general whatever goes on between two (or five, or twelve, whatever) willing, consenting adults is none of my business.

[b i o n i c]

ive got a lot of loans to pay. i should start selling drugs. i wish you were my mom. so long as i can find some consenting heroin addicts... anyone?

[Yetra Flam]

i actually feel a lot of compassion towards the low paid sex workers who do it out of necessity. it sucks, and i couldn't think of a worse job.
as for these $1000 an hour whores, i just think that its, i dont know, greedy. it's not so they can eat or pay rent, it's just so they can live a certain extravagant lifestyle. nobody NEEDS that kind of money. that shit is messed up. it's almost like doing a normal job like everyone else has to is too good for them.

[ms.peachy]

ive got a lot of loans to pay. i should start selling drugs. i wish you were my mom. so long as i can find some consenting heroin addicts... anyone?

I don't see how you can compare selling drugs and selling sex, tbh. The addiction voids the free will of the individual, so I would not consider them capable of true consent.

Nice try at a dig with the "i wish you were my mom" comment though, LOL. You should be so lucky.

[b i o n i c]

there is no such thing as sex addiction.



and i only said the mom thing because many times i've been faced with many situations that arent black or white, but i've thought about how my actions might make them feel and decided accordingly.


and i am dang lucky to have my mom and not another(y)

[cookiepuss]

i wasn't quoting anything directly, if i was, i would have quoted it directly. that was the general vibe i was getting from what people were saying.

sorry...I suspected that's what was going on, but I really felt that your statement was a gross over simplification of the "vibe", and sort of jumping to a conclusion that was a bit drastic. So i probably should have just come out and said that..but I wanted to make sure I didn't miss something.


In the end I think it all just comes down to whether or not you feel it is ever OK for one person to pay another consenting adult person for sexual services. If you think it is never acceptable, then, you know, that's how you feel, and so your opinion is based in that belief. Personally I do not feel that way and I think in general whatever goes on between two (or five, or twelve, whatever) willing, consenting adults is none of my business.

I agree. I'm certainly not saying high class call-girl is a great profession, and more women should be doing it. But at the same time, I'm not going to pass negative judgement on a woman who does. there might be numerous reasons she got into that line of work and frankly, if shes an adult I really don't care.

[ms.peachy]

i actually feel a lot of compassion towards the low paid sex workers who do it out of necessity. it sucks, and i couldn't think of a worse job.
as for these $1000 an hour whores, i just think that its, i dont know, greedy. it's not so they can eat or pay rent, it's just so they can live a certain extravagant lifestyle. nobody NEEDS that kind of money. that shit is messed up. it's almost like doing a normal job like everyone else has to is too good for them.

Personally I like living in a society where people are (mostly) free to choose the level of lifestyle they desire, and to take steps to pursue it. I'm not a big believer in communism, and having other people decide for me or anyone else what it's OK for me to want or need. Hey, most people do choose to work for a decade plus at some job they don't like all that much to pay off their student loans, chugging along slowly up the ladder if they're lucky, kissing ass along the way so that they can keep that steady paycheck coming in. I'd call that 'whoring' too.

[Yetra Flam]

wait wait wait so you're calling me a communist now? is that your attempt at a dig at me?

[ms.peachy]

there is no such thing as sex addiction.

umm... OK. I was talking about heroin addiction, but, you know, whatever. Really not sure where you're going with this comment.


and i only said the mom thing because many times i've been faced with many situations that arent black or white, but i've thought about how my actions might make them feel and decided accordingly.


and i am dang lucky to have my mom and not another(y)

Dude, you brought it up. I'm glad you love your mom, good for you, but seriously, it was a bizarre thing to say.

[cookiepuss]

Hey, most people do choose to work for a decade plus at some job they don't like all that much to pay off their student loans, chugging along slowly up the ladder if they're lucky, kissing ass along the way so that they can keep that steady paycheck coming in. I'd call that 'whoring' too.


^ that's what I was elluding to eariler.

lots of us are whoring ourselves out everyday, even though it might not involve sex.

[ms.peachy]

wait wait wait so you're calling me a communist now? is that your attempt at a dig at me?

No, I don't know where you stand on communism; I'm just saying how I feel.

[b i o n i c]

umm... OK. I was talking about heroin addiction, but, you know, whatever. Really not sure where you're going with this comment..

and i was equating drug addiction with sex addiction


Dude, you brought it up. I'm glad you love your mom, good for you, but seriously, it was a bizarre thing to say.


i dont think its bizarre to respond to you talking about your perspective as a mother by referring to my own situation. calling it bizarre is kind of a reach

[ms.peachy]

and i was equating drug addiction with sex addiction


OK, I am still confused. Are you saying that prostitutes and/or their clients are all sex addicts? Preposterous. I can think of lots of reasons quite apart from addiction why someone might hire a prostitute; can't really think of many other reasons why someone would buy heroin though.


i dont think its bizarre to respond to you talking about your perspective as mother by referring to my own situation. calling it bizarre is kind of a reach

Look, you totally said in a sarcy way "I wish you were my mom." I think that's a little weird. You might not have meant it to come off that way, but that's how it seemed to me.

As I said before: in the end it comes down to whether or not you feel it is ever acceptable to exchange sexual services for money. You clearly don't feel it is. That's your right, and no one's going to make you, so don't sweat it. But what's it to you if someone else does?

[Yetra Flam]

anyway, my point is: anyone can do whatever the hell they want regarding career choices. that's fine. it sucks, but whatever.
but to allude to having any sort of respect for the profession of prostitution, that was what i was referring to when i said "that shit is fucked up"

[Yetra Flam]

and seriously, spitzer's poor fucking wife.

[ms.peachy]

anyway, my point is: anyone can do whatever the hell they want regarding career choices. that's fine. it sucks, but whatever.
but to allude to having any sort of respect for the profession of prostitution, that was what i was referring to when i said "that shit is fucked up"

You might feel differently if you knew some. I'm not saying that to be inflammatory or anything, I just literally mean that if you had the opportunity to have some honest conversation with some sex workers, you might be surprised. I know that the ones I have known have certainly given me a perspective on some issues that I don't know I'd have otherwise gotten.

[ms.peachy]

and seriously, spitzer's poor fucking wife.

Well, yes. On this we can agree.

[b i o n i c]

OK, I am still confused. Are you saying that prostitutes and/or their clients are all sex addicts? Preposterous. I can think of lots of reasons quite apart from addiction why someone might hire a prostitute; can't really think of many other reasons why someone would buy heroin though.

not all prostitutes, but definatly a man who prosecuted prostitutes, become governor of the most notorious state in the world and decides to visit prostitutes. there might be something there.


Look, you totally said in a sarcy way "I wish you were my mom." I think that's a little weird. You might not have meant it to come off that way, but that's how it seemed to me.

i dont think its weird at all to refer to my own mother in an "argument" in which you have referred to your own motherhood. you said that, i didnt. calling it bizarre is just a way of trying to paint me into a corner. my mom would disagree with you. thats all i was saying.


As I said before: in the end it comes down to whether or not you feel it is ever acceptable to exchange sexual services for money. You clearly don't feel it is. That's your right, and no one's going to make you, so don't sweat it. But what's it to you if someone else does?

this hasnt been about exchanging money for sex for about 4 pages, its about the merit of her celebrity and the effects of it on society. exchanging money for sex is a completely other thing. using your noteriety that results from having sex for money to launch a careers as a pop singer which will inevitably be consumed by young kids, yeah thats not right.

again, like i said, if she had just decided to stay a prostitute in the "adult" world, that would be something else. she took her page down then she put if back up probably thanks so some money people advice. for her to accept the place she has been given as a celebrity, (a person 'celebrated' in pop culture) thats wrong. is she smart for exploiting peoples' low standards... yes, she's smart. is it right? no.

[ms.peachy]

not all prostitutes, but definatly a man who prosecuted prostitutes, become governor of the most notorious state in the world and decides to visit prostitutes. there might be something there.
Maybe. I don't know, it's possible. But you made the (facetious) comment that you could sell heroin to pay off your loans, and I was responding that I don't consider selling sex the same as selling heroin, as the only people who would be your customers would be addicts, and their addiction precludes free choice, so it is not a valid comparison. I stand by that statement.




i dont think its weird at all to refer to my own mother in an "argument" in which you have referred to your own motherhood. you said that, i didnt. calling it bizarre is just a way of trying to paint me into a corner. my mom would disagree with you. thats all i was saying.
The only I reference I made to being a mother is that it's not a career I would choose for my daughter (or, for that matter, son, if I had one). So your comment of "I wish you were my mom" made no sense in that context, and it struck me as bizarre. Deal with it. Like I said, I'm glad you love your mom, and your mom is as entitled to her views as I am to mine, so, you know, hooray for everyone.

this hasnt been about exchanging money for sex for about 4 pages, its about the merit of her celebrity and the effects of it on society. exchanging money for sex is a completely other thing. using your noteriety that results from having sex for money to launch a careers as a pop singer which will inevitably be consumed by young kids, yeah thats not right.
I think it's about both, actually, because one's attitude to one surely shapes their opinion about the other. I've already said how I feel about her 'celebrity' and this whole notion of "oh noes, what about the KIDS", and I'm not inclined to repeat myself.


again, like i said, if she had just decided to stay a prostitute in the "adult" world, that would be something else. she took her page down then she put if back up probably thanks so some money people advice. for her to accept the place she has been given as a celebrity, (a person 'celebrated' in pop culture) thats wrong. is she smart for exploiting peoples' low standards... yes, she's smart. is it right? no.
As the old saying goes, you'll never go broke underestimating the taste of the American public. She ain't the first and she won't be the last. I really, really just don't see what the need is for the moral panic and why you've got your knickers in such a knot about this.

anyway, I go bed now, night night.

[b i o n i c]

sex can be an addiction - its not a joke to a lot of people out there. if you want to talk addiction and i want to equate that to the former governor, that seems alright to me. you brought up addiciton and thats not really what this is about, but if you do, i may respond.

again, for the third time, i dont think its at all bizarre to refer to my own mother when you refer to your own motherhood in reference to a prostitution case. i never called you bizarre for that, but according to your own speak, maybe i should? i dont think so, but you seem to

yes the attitude over receiving payment for sex certainly does shape my attitude towards accepting celebrity for sex. i think that when a prostitute is paid for her services, she is being compensated. i dont think he or she deserves any more compensation for sucking a cock than what she recieves from the fallated. im only asking aloud why the hell are people consuming this shit? she made $200,000 this week on bending over for a bald man with monkey ears. that doesnt seem right when there are plently of just as mediocre artists out there who wouldnt think of letting someone bang them in the pooter just for money or the resulting noteriety. she certainly doesnt deserve celebrity.

maybe i should just lay off. ill just say that i totally agree with you, its totally ok to get banged for money if in the end you become famous for it(y

[Documad]

Most of the time I think that prostitution should be legal. I also think that selling sexual acts is a lot like selling drugs. Some people who use drugs are addicts and some are not. Some people who buy sex are addicts and some are not. I used to work with a guy who was addicted to strippers and eventually prostitutes. He had a lot of family money when I first met him and two years later it was gone and so was his marriage. I believe it was all sex, not drugs or gambling.

My sibling's ex drove them into bankruptcy because of his gambling. You can spend $80,000 on pull tabs if you're dedicated enough. That shit's legal too.

(I think about this a lot -- especially now that she's got serious dementia and thus she's no longer really my mom -- but I'm so grateful for the parents I had. I'm grateful that I learned my values from my mom. That's not a slam at anyone else it's just an observation. :))


Oh, and I'm not a psychologist, but someone like Spitzer had to have some kind of addiction-like thing going on. He engaged in high-risk behavior when he had every reason to know that he could get caught and he had more to lose than most people. Surely there is something wrong with him.

[b i o n i c]

im not talking about the validity or legality of prostitution. im talking about the appropriateness of society putting prostitutes up on the pedistal of celebrity


I also think that selling sexual acts is a lot like selling drugs. Some people who use drugs are addicts and some are not. Some people who buy sex are addicts and some are not. ,,,

Oh, and I'm not a psychologist, but someone like Spitzer had to have some kind of addiction-like thing going on. He engaged in high-risk behavior when he had every reason to know that he could get caught and he had more to lose than most people. Surely there is something wrong with him.


word up.

[TurdBerglar]

prostitution's pretty disgusting and nothing to be proud of. should be kept illegal. sometimes(all the time) people just need to be protected from their idiot selves to avoid disaster.

[cookiepuss]

dude so far I haven't seen ANYONE here say that prostitution should be respected or something to be proud of.

I don't even understand how some of you have drawn that conclusion. All peachy said was that even though she wouldn't choose it as a profession for herself or her child, she didn't think it was always a bad thing (in the high priced call girl senario) for the women who do choose to do it... and she's not that concerned with what happens between consenting adults...

I don't think that equates to elluding to respecting prostitution.

[TurdBerglar]

ok?

[funk63]

i kinda thought she was ugly.

[RobMoney$]

i kinda thought she was ugly.


Let's see a pic of what you're banging, Heffner.

[Kid Presentable]

In any case, you're either disapproving of prostitution or you're disapproving of the cult of celebrity. I think people fawning over and giving any attention to these quasi-celebrities is far worse for society than making the beast with two backs for money. If you're worried about how this affects children, don't raise them to be affected by these people.

That's just my opinion, though. It would be easier to make a difference by ensuring when you do spawn, you raise it with some grounding and an understanding that they don't have to do everything that moderately famous people do. Compared to eradicating the world's oldest profession, that is.

[funk63]

Let's see a pic of what you're banging, Heffner.

i mean i'd fuck her. but i definitely dont think shes obscenely hot or worth the money.
ive seen hotter pieces of ass at arcades.

[mathcart]

i actually feel a lot of compassion towards the low paid sex workers who do it out of necessity. it sucks, and i couldn't think of a worse job.
as for these $1000 an hour whores, i just think that its, i dont know, greedy. it's not so they can eat or pay rent, it's just so they can live a certain extravagant lifestyle. nobody NEEDS that kind of money. that shit is messed up. it's almost like doing a normal job like everyone else has to is too good for them.

Fantastic point. The value placed on excess and luxury in our society is totally friggin gross. I'm not hatin' on the player I'm hatin' on the game (which sucks).
(y)

[russhie]

Oh, fuck it. I can't be bothered.

[jennyb]

I love that this thread has spawned a cerebral debate on the ethics of prostitution and didn't end up being a shallow debate on if this woman is hot or not. Luxury goods to me, in general are kind of a scam. Overpriced prostitutes seem kind of like those weird Louis Vuitton bags that look like Grandma's luggage, marketing marketing marketing. It's all in 'how' it's sold and marked at an almost unattainable price to weed out most people making the purchaser who has cash to throw at said overpriced goods, feel special.

I thought doc brought up an interesting point in that things like gambling are legal yet can become addictive and have serious consequences, much like prostitution/sex which is not legal. Alcohol is legal, yet I've seen it rip peoples lives apart due to addiction, yet weed is not and most potheads I've ever known are much more stable. I mean, who is really to say. Of course there are things like murder, def illegal but then if it's done in self defense... oh my, talk about pandora's box!... and I'm starting to babble so I'm outtie.

[ms.peachy]

ill just say that i totally agree with you, its totally ok to get banged for money if in the end you become famous for it

Oh for fuck's sake, I never said that, and you know it.

Honestly bionic, I've never had any issue with you before but I just cannot believe how ridiculous your arguments are in the course of this discussion. First of all, decide if you are speaking generally or particularly, OK? Because you are weaving all over the road. If it helps, I am speaking of my general sentiments regarding prostitution, its practitioners and patrons, and celebrity. You seem to want to make general statements, but when challenged resort back to "I'm talking about this case!" So make up your friggin mind already. If all you want to say is you don't think that this girl deserves to be famous because she was a hooker, then great, you've said it already, and you can go on about your business now. I haven't said she "deserves" to be famous either, only that now that she is thrust into the spotlight (again, not by her own choice), she now gets to decide how to play the game from here.

[b i o n i c]

ok you said it was ok to get banged for money and no problem with getting famous for it

otherwise, i think i was pretty clear.

but ill just take back the mom comment, because you misunderstood it, so you dont hate me forever. lets all bang ho's today, its on me(y)

[mathcart]

ok you said it was ok to get banged for money and no problem with getting famous for it

otherwise, i think i was pretty clear.

but ill just take back the mom comment, because you misunderstood it, so you dont hate me forever. lets all bang ho's today, its on me(y)

That could be costly for you, I have a 3 diamond or higher rule. You gotta have standards...
:D

[russhie]

Nobody has really mentioned having a problem with the sorting, classification and scaled financial reward of women based on the level of sexual satisfaction she is able to provide, and how this demeans women in general, I suppose?

As a side note, I found out yesterday that one of my co-workers was a male escort previous to working at my office. I'n never have picked it.

[TOY]

Nobody has really mentioned having a problem with the sorting, classification and scaled financial reward of women based on the level of sexual satisfaction she is able to provide, and how this demeans women in general, I suppose?

I did, but instead got some bullshit answer.

[russhie]

^ bugger.

Anyway, that's why prostitution is bad.

[Yeti]

she's not ugly. but shit, definitely not $5000 hot.


He paid 5 grand so she would leave.

[cookiepuss]

Nobody has really mentioned having a problem with the sorting, classification and scaled financial reward of women based on the level of sexual satisfaction she is able to provide, and how this demeans women in general, I suppose?

As a side note, I found out yesterday that one of my co-workers was a male escort previous to working at my office. I'n never have picked it.

Ok, but what you really need to say is it demeans people. Prostitution isn't just a women's issue as you so kindly illustrated with mention of the ex-male escort at your office.

[russhie]

^ I don't remember saying that it was a problem restricted to women, I was referring to the woman, the basis of this thread, being classified by a number. I do agree that it's an issue for men as well, though.

I don't know why you'd say I "so kindly" illustrated anything, either.

[cookiepuss]

I don't know maybe it's the way you somewhat condesendingly(IMO) explained why prostituion is bad, like we just must not understand or something. That fact of the matter is no one here said prostitution was a great thing. there was only one person here who said it may not be all bad for some people, but what she didn't ever say was that it was a good thing.

I think we all understand the social and moral reasons why prostitution is a negative thing in society. but humans are a flawed beings and prosititution is the oldest profession in the world. As long as there are men and women there will always be people who choose to sell thier bodies, whether it be out of a nessessity or personal choice. there's not really any point in arguing about the social and moral implications of prosititution. it's a given, but it's going to happen anyway.


the argument here is really our williness to make celebrities/entertainment out of any major news story, regarless of whether the people involved deserve celebrity status. being infamous use to be a negative thing, but infamy is the new fame.

[hpdrifter]

the argument here is really our williness to make celebrities/entertainment out of any major news story, regarless of whether the people involved deserve celebrity status. being infamous use to be a negative thing, but infamy is the new fame.

I think this is really where my interest in this thread lies.

[TOY]

Cookie..

Okay.

I know this is gonna seem like a personal attack or something, but I really don't understand why you're so very defensive in regards to prostitution being okay, and strippers having talent... Can you please enlighten me, 'cause I'm confused someone could be so, oh, I don't know...

[hpdrifter]

Looks like she was also in Girls Gone Wild girl.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23698741/

[cookiepuss]

*sigh*

I NEVER SAID PROSTITUTION WAS OK. my point was NO ONE here said it was ok. I'm trying to keep it on topic by pointing that out. it's absolutely pointless to argue about the merits/demerits of prosititution (EVEN BIONIC has clarified that he's not talking about the act of exchanging money for sex as much as it's wrong to put the spotlight on her for it) and I don't even know why some of you want to take it there. I find it slightly annoying that it has to become about gender roles instead of talking about why we make celebs of people who are less than perfect.

this doesn't have anything to do with strippers either. but apparently you don't want to separate one conversation from another. You didn't understand what I was saying about some strippers (not the industry as a whole) and somehow I have became a spokesperson for the sex industry. :rolleyes:

My world isn't black and white. There are many shades of gray to my opinions, so I don't think assumptions should be made based purely on past conversations I've had.

for the record:
I am not a sex-worker, I have never posed nude, I do not strip. I am open minded about people who do. that's it. you guys are making me into a cursader for sex workers and that's really not it. I'm just open-minded and willing to discuss unpopular ideas about what it means to be a part of that industry. end of story.

[b i o n i c]

like cp sez : yes, i was talking about celebrity of whores, not the other thing

[russhie]

um, I don't think Toy was out to paint you as some kind of sex-worker crusader, she just asked why all the interest on your behalf. From the posts I've read, you do seem to do alot of cheerleading for 'open-minded' pursuits like stripping, and whether or not these make up the majority of your posts on this board they have obviously made an impression so the question is justified.

Anyway, I didn't say anything condecendingly, and as far as I'm aware, this thread was started to discuss the hotness level of a prostitute. It developed into a discussion about a sex worker parlaying her role in a sex scandal into instant fame, and has since taken on a few other directions. If I want to join in the discussion, and state the bleeding obvious, I can. Just because women and men choose to participate in the act of selling their bodies and have done for years doesn't remove my right to voice my opinion on the matter.

[ET]

Probably has been said already, but his whore also did some stuff for Girls Gone Wild when she was 18 according to sources. The sales of those videos will probably keep that douchefag who owns the company in a position to drug and have sex with 18 year olds for an even longer time.

[Lex Diamonds]

What the fuck are you slags arguing for? Don't you have your own vaginas to worry about?

Sluts will be sluts and wrinkly old pindicks will be desperate. That's just life.

[YoungRemy]

Looks like she was also in Girls Gone Wild girl.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23698741/

she loses a million off this. kudos to Joe Francis and his archive team(y)

[abcdefz]

It's on hold. She might have been 17 at the time.

[hpdrifter]

Well can't say as I think its cool for Joe Francis to get rich while the girls in the videos get nothing but I guess that's just how its set up and I think all parties know that in advance.

Either way, I still think he's pretty much of a slimeball. Opportunistic and successful but a slimeball just the same.

If she was 17 I'd probably be a bit happy for him to get prosecuted. I'm sure she's not the only one.

[b i o n i c]

this girls got star power (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2QHD-Bi9PH8)

lol

(she's kinda annoying looking)

[RobMoney$]

You know, it's a time-tested fact that girls fuck the way they dance. You know, No rythm on the dance floor=No rythm in the bedroom.
She looks like she can shake it pretty good.


"OBSCENELY hot" label confirmed.

[b i o n i c]

except she CANT dance.

[The Notorious LOL]

shes not that attractive. Shes decent looking but shes not $4100 hot.

[venusvenus123]

shes not that attractive. Shes decent looking but shes not $4100 hot.

that's what's so objectionable about the whole thing, pricing women according to how hot you think they are.

and (y)(y) to rushhie, above.

[Yeti]

There was a girl that hung out in my neighborhood or hood. I call it the hood because it was and is a high crime district (but also beautiful). There was a triple homocide below my house once and she lived down in that particular area which is called Sugar Bottom. She once tried to sell me some bed sheets and offered to give me a bj for $10 (I declined although I thought it was a fantastic price). She was a crackhead. Her name was Karen and she was a young black woman with 3 kids and a bad crack addiction. She weighed something like 90 pounds and was always nervous. She is the typical prostitute. High and down and out.