Obama and his Pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright

[RobMoney$]

LINK (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1)


Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'

By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI

March 13, 2008—



Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God Damn America."

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God Damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God Damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God Damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.

Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.

"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.

"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.

Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country's 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.

Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright's approach, referring to his "social gospel" and his focus on Africa, "and I agree with him on that."

Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" Thursday, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.

In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."


I wonder what kind of "CHANGE" Rev. Wright is hoping for?

[Bob]

huh? isn't obama muslim? i done seen a picture of him in a turbine

[alien autopsy]

i think the rev is speaking nothing new. theres a large portion of the population who would agree with him that AIDS was a bioweapon, that 9-11 was more than just a failure of imagination, but a failure of intelligence, or perhaps worse, and that america is an evil empire.

[The Notorious LOL]

Every single post you make in here is about Obama.

[alien autopsy]

heehaw

[The Notorious LOL]

not you...RobMoney

[alien autopsy]

i know:) im the one who posts the 9-11 shit

[RobMoney$]

huh? isn't obama muslim? i done seen a picture of him in a turbine

I think he would have been better off letting people think he was a muslim than following this wack-job as a spiritual adviser.
At the very least, it shows Obama's judgement is suspect.

When you combine these comments by Wright with Mrs. Obama's statement about "being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life", you have to start to ask questions.

not you...RobMoney

This is the major polotical story at the moment. To tell you the truth, I thought it was funny none of the smug Obama supporters who frequent this forum had weighed in with a thread about it yet.

[yeahwho]

Every single post you make in here is about Obama.

Whats up with that? Your sort of gay when it comes to Obama. He must really rue the day for you.


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[DroppinScience]

Obama's right... it's just another distraction.

Parts 1-4 of his speech, respectively. I think this is on par with JFK's speech on his Catholicism in 1960.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJzjBtaoJE&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIBAjGGXX2A&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFm4cNjbm4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpjVQ6JJp7E

(y)(y)

[roosta]

To tell you the truth, I thought it was funny none of the smug Obama supporters who frequent this forum had weighed in with a thread about it yet.

Why would they concern them selves with this non-story? Its pure political shit slinging this one.

[RobMoney$]

Why would they concern them selves with this non-story? Its pure political shit slinging this one.


So if Hillary or McCain went to a church whose Pastor was in the KKK, you'd call that a non-story as well?

[RobMoney$]

Obama's right... it's just another distraction.

Parts 1-4 of his speech, respectively. I think this is on par with JFK's speech on his Catholicism in 1960.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJzjBtaoJE&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIBAjGGXX2A&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFm4cNjbm4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpjVQ6JJp7E

(y)(y)


I hope people realize that Obama has to do a lot more than merely pay lip service to disassociating himself from "some of the comments" of his minister as if Wright were some errant family member.
As we all know, we don't choose our family, but Obama chose this racist demagogue as his pastor for decades. It's not funny. Barack is running for President of the United States. I find it pretty appalling and anyone trying to dismiss this issue as insignificant is kidding themselves.


Remember, "WORDS MATTER", as Obama has so inspirationally suggested.

[yeahwho]

Perhaps the Orwellian society in which many have accepted precludes certain Christian slants. Right-wing Christian ministers can spew anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-Arab, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-science, anti-human bile from their cable networks and talk shows. They can summon the wrath of their God on the Muslim world and call for the assassination of foreign leaders. They can do all this, and the Republican presidents and politicians who consort with them not only get off scot free, they get away with branding the media as liberal.

McCain's Church Hates America, Clinton's Friends Do Too -- But Let's Get the Black Guy (Or Not?) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/mccains-church-hates-ame_b_92140.html)

[yeahwho]

Obama's right... it's just another distraction.

Parts 1-4 of his speech, respectively. I think this is on par with JFK's speech on his Catholicism in 1960.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJzjBtaoJE&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIBAjGGXX2A&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFm4cNjbm4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpjVQ6JJp7E

(y)(y)

may as well have a look see at what Rev. Jeremiah Wright says, here is a video of the Reverend, link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-615999983090877997&q=Barack%27s+Racist+Pastor&total=239&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

[DroppinScience]

I hope people realize that Obama has to do a lot more than merely pay lip service to disassociating himself from "some of the comments" of his minister as if Wright were some errant family member.
As we all know, we don't choose our family, but Obama chose this racist demagogue as his pastor for decades. It's not funny. Barack is running for President of the United States. I find it pretty appalling and anyone trying to dismiss this issue as insignificant is kidding themselves.


Remember, "WORDS MATTER", as Obama has so inspirationally suggested.

Are you working for Clinton's or McCain's campaign, by any chance?

[kaiser soze]

If politicians believed in Separation of Church and State, we would save many headaches, careers, and lives.

This guy is a cook just like Falwell, Farrakhan, Robertson, Phelps...etc.

[saz]

So if Hillary or McCain went to a church whose Pastor was in the KKK, you'd call that a non-story as well?

no, but a huge story being neglected by the mainstream media is the endorsement of john mccain by john hagee, an absolute nutjob who wants iran nuked:


rapture ready: the christians united for israel tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig)

max blumenthal's latest takes us on a shocking and at times bizarre tour of right-wing pastor john hagee's annual washington-israel summit, blowing the cover off the christian zionist movement in the process. starring joe lieberman, tom delay, pastor john hagee, ambassador dore gold and a host of rapture-ready evangelicals praying for armaggedon.


in his book jerusalem countdown: a warning to the world, john hagee predicts that russia and middle eastern nations will invade israel, but be destroyed by god; then, the anti-christ will rise, who of course will be the head of the european union, and will lead the chinese military into israel to wage a war against western nations; armageddon will then arrive, however that will bring about the second coming of jesus christ who will save the day.

john mccain is "proud" of hagee's endorsement (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html)

[RobMoney$]

Are you working for Clinton's or McCain's campaign, by any chance?


No, are you working for Obama's?


It's my perception that there are a ton of "middle ground" voters, and "Intelectual" voters that have been attracted to Obama.
They were maybe conservative leaning in years past but have grown very unhappy with President Bush and are looking to do something which to them is pretty radical.
Changing parties is big enough, but changing parties and then choosing the "new" guy in that "new" party is a pretty big thing.
Lots of people are unsure about it.
They want to make sure they haven't just been caught up in the hype and mania.
They want to make sure they haven't just been swayed by a smooth talker.
To those people, and I think there are a lot of them, stuff like this is not inconsequential.

I don't believe Obama is the right choice, I believe he's the "sexy" choice.
Unfortunetly, this election has become about race because of the people Obama has choosen to surround himself with, which is too bad.


I mean how do we know that Obama really doesn't agree with his Pastors' beliefs? We don't. Only Obama himself truly knows for sure.
Considering Mrs. Obama's statement of "being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life", she obviously is on the mailing list for Rev. Wright's weekly newsletter, how do we know Obama doesn't as well? I'm ultimately left wondering if he (Obama) will feel that this great "Change" and "Bringing people together" will be achieved by him simply being elected?
I think the President of the United States should spend his time worrying about more important issues than Black-White race relations.
The job is bigger than that.

[Bob]

race relations in america is kind of a big thing too though?

[RobMoney$]

I can think of half a dozen things more important a President should be concerning himself with.

1. Finding a solution to the mess in Iraq.
2. Our declining dollar.
3. The Enviorment.
4. America's failing Healthcare system.
5. America's dependancy on Oil and the ever increasing cost.
6. Affordable Education.
7. Illegal Immigration.


I'd like to hear Obama make as passionate a speach about some of these issues as he made about race and the Rev. Wright.
This is what I'm concerned about.

[DroppinScience]

I mean how do we know that Obama really doesn't agree with his Pastors' beliefs? We don't. Only Obama himself truly knows for sure.

I took a look at the things you quoted (particularly the bolded ones), and I don't even really find anything that wrong with it. Sure, he's saying some stuff that is VERY hard for a lot of Americans to hear, but you know what? It's true. The U.S., throughout its history, has committed unspeakable atrocities (the A-bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, napalm in Vietnam, just to choose two very prominent, obvious examples) in the name of "freedom and democracy." Yeah, you can argue there was far different intent in these actions than say the terrorism of 9/11, but the end result was the same: the murder of thousands of innocents.

You could very well argue that Wright is saying things that Malcolm X more than 40 years ago was also saying (although perhaps less eloquently stated). Yeah, it's harsh shit, but it's speaking out against the very, very real injustices that have been brought upon blacks in America.

I don't know how much Obama agrees or disagrees with what this pastor says, but it doesn't really matter since it's pretty obvious his policies aren't exactly in line with Black Panthers or whatever other black radical voice that scares the bejeezus out of you. I also don't even really care about what exact moment Michelle Obama felt "proud" to be an American. I ask you this, with the last 40 years of American history being littered with the Vietnam war, Watergate, Iran-Contra, the Iraq war, the Patriot Act, etc., it's not as easy as it used to be to feel pride in a GOVERNMENT rife with corruption and scandal.

I think the President of the United States should spend his time worrying about more important issues than Black-White race relations.
The job is bigger than that.

So I suppose a president like Lyndon Johnson shouldn't spend his time pushing the 1964 Civil Rights Act into law? Interesting.

[RobMoney$]

I took a look at the things you quoted (particularly the bolded ones), and I don't even really find anything that wrong with it.

Well, this is where you & I seperate in opinion then. If you don't see a problem with it there's really nothing left for me to say to you.
I'm just thankful that you're a Canadian.


So I suppose a president like Lyndon Johnson shouldn't spend his time pushing the 1964 Civil Rights Act into law? Interesting.

But today we do have equal rights, and Women and Blacks do have the right to vote, and so on.
This is 2007, not 1964.
We are facing much different issues today than we were then.
There's really no point in even making a comparison like that.

[Bob]

But today we do have equal rights, and Women and Blacks do have the right to vote, and so on.
This is 2007, not 1964.
We are facing much different issues today than we were then.
There's really no point in even making a comparison like that.

blacks had the right to vote when LBJ was president too....

i mean i'm just not sure what it is exactly that obama is supposed to do in this situation to satisfy you. a pastor he followed for 30 years comes out and says something racist and radical, and you say "obama might be racist!" obama comes out and makes a passionate speech about race and you say "obama spends too much time talking about racism!" what do you want from him exactly?

[Burnout18]

But today we do have equal rights

only on paper

[DroppinScience]

But today we do have equal rights, and Women and Blacks do have the right to vote, and so on.
This is 2007, not 1964.
We are facing much different issues today than we were then.
There's really no point in even making a comparison like that.

Oh, you think the problems of racism and sexism have been solved? I guess we better tell the Katrina victims, the Jena 6, AND women still making lower wages than men to shut it because we've solved that problem in the '60s.

Also, it's 2008. May wanna buy a new calendar.

[RobMoney$]

Oh, you think the problems of racism and sexism have been solved? I guess we better tell the Katrina victims, the Jena 6, AND women still making lower wages than men to shut it because we've solved that problem in the '60s.

So how exactly does electing Obama solve these things?
Using that mentality, electing Hillary will solve sexism then, right? Has she promised to give every woman a pay raise if elected? :rolleyes:
It's this mentality that electing Obama will somehow solve racism and all the "Intelectuals" with "White Man's Guilt" will feel that they have somehow finally sufficiently apologized to Black people for slavery.
As if Black people are the only ones who have to deal with racism.
Asians, Middle Easterners, Jews, Women, The Elderly, Short, Tall, Fat, Skinny, Rich, Poor, and yes even Whites have to deal with being discriminated against in life.
Guess what, that's life. Learn to deal with it because it's never going to go away.
Electing Obama won't make anything any different.
If you're voting for the Black Guy because you're hoping it'll end racism, or you're voting for the Woman because you want it to end sexism, you're an idiot.

Since when is this election about racism anyway?
I'm not saying it's not an important issue, but it's got about as much importance in this election as Breast Cancer awareness. Hell, Gay marriage is a more important issue in this election than racism.

Also, it's 2008. May wanna buy a new calendar.

Yeah, I'm an idiot. That's what I get for posting at 6am.

[DroppinScience]

So how exactly does electing Obama solve these things?
Using that mentality, electing Hillary will solve sexism then, right? Has she promised to give every woman a pay raise if elected? :rolleyes:
It's this mentality that electing Obama will somehow solve racism and all the "Intelectuals" with "White Man's Guilt" will feel that they have somehow finally sufficiently apologized to Black people for slavery.


An Obama presidency wouldn't mean the end of racism as we know it, but it's pretty much a guarantee that it would mean a great step forward and that MLK's words of not judging a man by the color of his skin but the content of his character would be strongly realized. I will relate the potential of Obama to that of optimism felt by the Kennedys in the '60s that the possibility is very real that we can come together to make something better. Are we investing too much hope in one man? Most likely, but I like to think that the hearts of many Obama-maniacs are in the right place, and that to me is something far more encouraging than anything I've seen in the last 8 years. And no sniper-like attacks from pundits who have proven themselves to be wrong time and time again can change that.

The election of Clinton (though I don't like her for numerous reasons, but has nothing to do with her gender) would also mean a step forward for the women's movement too, but in my personal opinion, if there is going to be a woman president, I'd prefer it to be someone else down the road.

But this is all beside the point. You've been posting on here that the problems of racism and sexism are outdated, antiquated, and "solved" when this is the furthest thing from the truth. Have there been great gains? Of course, but there's also many insidious (and not so insidious) elements to be dealt with, and there is ALWAYS the constant threat of the great work done by the civil rights and feminist movement be reversed (be it through subtle or not so subtle means). The 24 hour news networks (mostly FOX, but others are guilty) and right-wing radio hosts have been poisonous in distorting the national dialogue over these critical issues.

Minimizing these issues as just part of the distant past does a great disservice.

[RobMoney$]

But this is all beside the point. You've been posting on here that the problems of racism and sexism are outdated, antiquated, and "solved" when this is the furthest thing from the truth. Have there been great gains? Of course, but there's also many insidious (and not so insidious) elements to be dealt with, and there is ALWAYS the constant threat of the great work done by the civil rights and feminist movement be reversed (be it through subtle or not so subtle means). The 24 hour news networks (mostly FOX, but others are guilty) and right-wing radio hosts have been poisonous in distorting the national dialogue over these critical issues.

Minimizing these issues as just part of the distant past does a great disservice.

I never said anything was "solved", antiquated, or outdated.
What I said was that there were more important issues in this election.

We would all agree that Breast Cancer Awareness is worthy issue as well, who would be against Breast Cancer Awareness, right?

You seem to be trying to infer that a vote for McCain or Hillary is somehow a vote against racial equality. That my friend, is a racist way of thinking.

[Bob]

You seem to be trying to infer that a vote for McCain or Hillary is somehow a vote against racial equality. That my friend, is a racist way of thinking.

indeed. how dare you, droppin. how dare you.

[RobMoney$]

BARACK OBAMA DOES NOT CARE ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE!

[DIGI]

You're an idiot.

[RobMoney$]

Bite me.

[alien autopsy]

LOL, havent visited this thread in a few days and shot right over to page two.

everybody calm down. its just the united states of america and black jesus we're talking about here.

[afronaut]

Maybe Obama could focus on more important issues if it weren't for people like you, who can't seem to differentiate between the words of one person and the words of another person.

Tell me, what in Obama's past record would lead you to believe that he hates america, thinks white people invented AIDS to kill blacks, and all this other none-sense? Hmm? Anything? Or are you just one of the many weak minded people who are more moved by a sensationalist story than a nuanced, mature, adult speech on race? Maybe Obama is just waiting to become president to unleash is fiendish black liberation plot, and inject the white people with the aids for a change. I bet thats it.

Also, I'm not exactly sure how you missed that the great thing about Obama's speech is the fact that he acknowledges the complexity of race issues, and that it's not just something that affects black people. And thats the great thing about Obama.

It's about time we had a president who doesn't take an easy dumbed down approach to complex issues, someone who actually does have some understanding of these radical fractions in our society. What the fuck does McCain know about what causes these kinds of attitudes? What about Hillary? And what the fuck about you? "Oooh, I was bullied by black kids in school, I'm an expert on race relations."

I'm sick of these old, safe, "experienced" candidates. We've been going that route for ages, and it's pretty clear that presidents with "experience" are just as clueless as anyone else. Why do we keep on electing these people who are stuck in some past era? What the hell is McCain going to do for our country? He probably can't even comprehend or connect a majority of young US citizens, how is he going to lead us into the future? How is he going to deal with the new and strange issues that will affect the future when he can barely get a pulse on himself, much less on America.

And Hillary, well issues wise, her and Obama are pretty similar, but what has she ever done to prove that she can approach these issues from the same vital, mature, and realistic perspective that Obama has proven that he can time and time again, and quite eloquently at that?

And why don't you make some thread about McCain supporting Jerry Falwell? Is it because the yapping heads on television aren't telling you thats an issue? Or is it because the people Falwell preaches against don't include you personally?

[funk63]

i think alot of ppl support Obama cuz hes black, which is dumb.
robmoney ure a smart guy keep it up. *druink*

[alien autopsy]

politics is too complicated for me:confused:

[The Notorious LOL]

i think alot of ppl support Obama cuz hes black, which is dumb.
robmoney ure a smart guy keep it up. *druink*

who the fuck are you? every post of yours sucks.

[roosta]

P

McCain's Church Hates America, Clinton's Friends Do Too -- But Let's Get the Black Guy (Or Not?) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/mccains-church-hates-ame_b_92140.html)

no, but a huge story being neglected by the mainstream media is the endorsement of john mccain by john hagee, an absolute nutjob who wants iran nuked:


rapture ready: the christians united for israel tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig)

max blumenthal's latest takes us on a shocking and at times bizarre tour of right-wing pastor john hagee's annual washington-israel summit, blowing the cover off the christian zionist movement in the process. starring joe lieberman, tom delay, pastor john hagee, ambassador dore gold and a host of rapture-ready evangelicals praying for armaggedon.


in his book jerusalem countdown: a warning to the world, john hagee predicts that russia and middle eastern nations will invade israel, but be destroyed by god; then, the anti-christ will rise, who of course will be the head of the european union, and will lead the chinese military into israel to wage a war against western nations; armageddon will then arrive, however that will bring about the second coming of jesus christ who will save the day.

john mccain is "proud" of hagee's endorsement (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html)

Nuff said.

[Tone Capone]

I think it's funny how someone who has been kicked off this board numerous times for racism and is well known for referring to Black people as "n____" is crying about racism... hilarious. Seriously Slob, hypocrite much?

[RobMoney$]

LOLZ.

SUCKED IN!

[afronaut]

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, Rob, then don't say it. You're just making an ass out of yourself, like you always do.

[RobMoney$]

Ok, first off don't condescend to me.
Secondly, don't make me out to be the unintelligent one because I'm not going to let myself be sucked into Tone Capone's race baiting. A scumbag is a scumbag under any name you want to put on him.

I've come to the conclusion that it's pointless to discuss politics with anyone in this forum anymore because I don't share the same views as most of you. So go ahead and believe what you want and vote the way you will and if Obama does happen to get elected (which I doubt) then you will have no room to complain if things don't work out like you hoped.

[yeahwho]

Ok, first off don't condescend to me.
Secondly, don't make me out to be the unintelligent one because I'm not going to let myself be sucked into Tone Capone's race baiting. A scumbag is a scumbag under any name you want to put on him.

I've come to the conclusion that it's pointless to discuss politics with anyone in this forum anymore because I don't share the same views as most of you. So go ahead and believe what you want and vote the way you will and if Obama does happen to get elected (which I doubt) then you will have no room to complain if things don't work out like you hoped.

Sometimes on an internet board things don't come across as you originally intended . I usually give every poster the benefit of the doubt (unless they're in la la land with incredibly bad facts). We're not professional writers, just folks on a board that happens to be sicker than all the other boards.

You've brought up some valid points surrounding Obama's candidacy that perhaps never would of been discussed. The reaction from us was worth your effort.

The only thing I cannot figure out is why you don't just put up a candidate you support and rally around. The negativity about Obama just backfires, here, there and everywhere. The biggest problem with Clinton supporters is they don't have the spine to put up a "I Support Hillary" thread.

At least I went positive when I made my thread.

Do you have a positive spin on the 2008 election process?

[RobMoney$]

Like I said previously, I was surprised no one had already made a thread for discussing this topic.
I live in Philadelphia, Pa. where Clinton & Obama are currently campaigning for the April primary. This is a major topic of discussion in my corner of the world right now, maybe it's not where all of you guys are from.
Believe me, there are a lot of other negative things about Obama that are being discussed on the radio and on local TV, but I'm not going to waste my time bringing them the table here.

[yeahwho]

Like I said previously, I was surprised no one had already made a thread for discussing this topic.
I live in Philadelphia, Pa. where Clinton & Obama are currently campaigning for the April primary. This is a major topic of discussion in my corner of the world right now, maybe it's not where all of you guys are from.
Believe me, there are a lot of other negative things about Obama that are being discussed on the radio and on local TV, but I'm not going to waste my time bringing them the table here.

So is the media in Phillie really glowing and positive about Hillary Clinton? I see the largest newspaper distributed in your city endorses Barack Obama (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080126_Inquirers_Democratic_endorsement_for_pres ident__Obama.html), just like both of Seattle's papers do, Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorialsopinion/2004145661_obamaed27.html)/PI (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/349715_prezed.html).

The radio has dedicated channels to hate and negativity, the overwhelming response to Barack Obama's race speech is positive. If only one of the other two presidential runners could fucking do something positive I would be amazed. I know more about Barack Obama than I ever thought I would. He turns out to be head and shoulders above McCain and Clinton in the brains department. Those two slugs have let him own the media time and time again. Lets get this race in gear, HA HA HA Bill Richardson says "See ya later Clintons (http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/03/media_asks_is_this_the_beginni_1.html)" and throws his endorsement to Obama!

He will get my vote just because he has game, fucking political machine. No wonder he out shined everybody at Harvard law school.

Everybody else continues the negative bullshit. Don't you have a candidate that you can positively support?

[Tone Capone]

I think it's funny how someone who has been kicked off this board numerous times for racism and is well known for referring to Black people as "n____" is crying about racism... hilarious. Seriously Slob, hypocrite much?

(lb) The fact still remains robert...

[funk63]

who the fuck are you? every post of yours sucks.


racist. jk. rnt u generalizing a bit? i havnt had one decent post? i was joking btw.. i actually like obama, but i can tell ure one of those guys that sucks obamas cock by how u lashed out at me.

[afronaut]

Ok, first off don't condescend to me.
Secondly, don't make me out to be the unintelligent one because I'm not going to let myself be sucked into Tone Capone's race baiting. A scumbag is a scumbag under any name you want to put on him.


I wasn't making you out to be unintelligent because you didn't get sucked in by Tone, I was implying unintelligence because every post by you on this page up to that point was obnoxious and, quite frankly, fucking stupid.

Though good for you for not getting into it with Tone. I myself was just waiting until your supposed racist past was brought up, but it wasn't going to be by me, because thats in the past and would have been low.

How about you just respond to one thing I said in my original post: name me one action the man himself has taken in his past, not anything someone else has said or done, but some way that he himself has shown that he supports such an outrageous mindset. One thing that the man himself has done to show that he hates america, and believes the white man is injecting the black man with aids.

This entire rev. wright controversy should have been put to rest when people saw the original video, in context. The news networks aren't going to push that story though.

[RobMoney$]

How about you just respond to one thing I said in my original post: name me one action the man himself has taken in his past, not anything someone else has said or done, but some way that he himself has shown that he supports such an outrageous mindset. One thing that the man himself has done to show that he hates america, and believes the white man is injecting the black man with aids.

This entire rev. wright controversy should have been put to rest when people saw the original video, in context. The news networks aren't going to push that story though.

Ok, since you asked.

Here's an interview (http://www.610wip.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=1668353) (in it's entirety so as to show the context) he did for a local sportstalk radio station that's made it to CNN and has caused a lot of controversy locally, and has become a national story.

This interview was done within the last week. Notice the term "Typical white person" he uses when describing his grandmother's line of thinking towards black people. You may say it's nothing, and maybe it is, but a lot of people take offense to being refered to in that way. Black people would too I believe, if the roles were reversed.

The bottom line is this, I know it's something people shouldn't worry about, it's just a term he was using to describe his grandmother, but it was a mistake. Just like the way Rev. Wright's comments were a mistake, and Mrs. Obama's comments were a mistake, and another "mentor" of Obama Rev. James Meeks has made comments that were a mistake (which I've intentionally avoided bringing up in this forum because I've realized you're all a bunch of Obamatrons). Oh yeah, and let's not forget about Rezco.
For a candidate who's running on a statement of "I may not have the most expierence, but trust my judgement", I'm not seeing a lot of good judgements being made by him.

Even if you watched the Rev. Wright video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ) in it's entirety, I still see it as disdain for the white man's government. While I'll honestly admit that some of it was moving, I especially like the part at ~7:25 when Wright helpfully mentions that there were black people jumping from the WTC, as if their race were important. What a vile human being.
For some reason, Wright felt the need to mention specifically that black people died on 9/11. He doesn't explain why he thought that was an important fact to mention. Maybe Wright thinks that the death of black persons is particularly noteworthy. Maybe he thinks his congregation considers that important. Either way, it's hard to come up with any pleasant, non-divisive rationale for slipping that in there.

It's a completely gratuitious invocation of race. If a white pastor made a statement like that in church, I would expect that people would look around at each other with a "WTF?" expression on their faces. I think part of having an honest conversation about race is to ask why we hold black people to a lower standard on this sort of thing than we do ourselves. This isn't something stupid like why 50 Cent can say the n-word but Robert Byrd can't. I'm saying that outright race-baiting is bad, regardless of who's doing it. It's hateful, it's divisive, and it should destroy the credibility of the speaker.
Do you know the reason Obama has remained loyal to Jeremiah Wright's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright)Church, or even why he joined the Trinity United Church of Christ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_United_Church_of_Christ) in the first place? It's because it's one of the biggest and most powerful black Baptist churches in the entire US. Obama joined and remained a member to further his own political career, just like everything he's ever done in his life.

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to look into this Wright video controversy further, even though we don't end up at the same place.

Obama is like the guy everyone knows from HS. The guy who just happens to get a DUI, and then he just happens to knock up his girlfriend, and just happens to fail out of college, and then he just happens to not be able to hold on to a job for more than six months in a row. Those guys keep making poor judgement mistakes, one after another. That's what I see in Obama. Maybe they are just all minor mistakes in judgement by being associated with all of these controversial people, but it's a mistake that I don't see Hillary ever making. She would never allow herself to be left open to that kind of criticism because of the "mentors" she associated with, or off-the-cuff racial comments she might use to describe someone in a story.

Obama will have to be a better President than any white person would be, a little like Jackie Robinson had to be a better ballplayer than white ballplayers were when he became the first Black player in MLB. We don't need someone who's going to have to perform under that kind of pressure, this is too important.

Even if he gets past all of this Rev. Wright controversy, he still has months to duke it out with Hillary, then the convention, and the whole FL/MI fiasco, then he has to unite what will be left of the party (if he gets the nod), THEN he has to start on McCain. Quite the tall order. Especially considering McCain will have the time he needs to refill his warchest and cruise around internationally looking Presidential. That's why I've stated several times that Obama's unelectable.

To be honest with you, I'm already sick of hearing about the "race" from Obama and it's not even the General Election. I can't take eight more months of this, let alone four, and possibly eight more years of it.

[RobMoney$]

Obama not yet out of the Woods (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2008/03/21/obama_not_yet_out_of_the_woods)

[afronaut]

The "typical white person" remark is cringe-worthy, yet it''s more a case of foot-in-mouth than any kind of malicious intent against white people. I agree, if a white person where to have made the same comment he'd get all hell as well. And if a white person said, and said it without malicious intent, I would stick up for him as well. Shit, even Bill O'Reilly stood up for Obama and his "typical white person" comment.

And to say that Hillary has never associated with controversial people is completely false. The only reason it may seem like that, is that it makes less sensational a news story, and you don't hear about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/mccains-church-hates-ame_b_92140.html

And what about McCain? I think it's only fair that if you keep on going after Obama for stuff like this, you have to go after any other presidential candidate who has made similar gaffs, even if that particular story is not being shoved down our throats on the news.

And to be honest, I'm sick of electing people to office who seem to think America is just fine, and that she has some kind of respectable and honorable past. I want a president who acknowledges the horrible stuff we've done, yet is still patriotic enough to attempt to move on and improve, and to make sure America is never guilty of such atrocities ever again.

It almost seems like a presidential hopeful has to pay the right kind of lip service to America, and to never criticize a thing America has done in her past. Fuck that, give me a president who is real, not one who says the right things, pats the right backs, and makes everyone feel all warm and cozy about their nation.

I do agree with you that I'm getting pretty sick with this election already.

[yeahwho]

I agree with everything said above except I'm really enjoying Hillary and McCain getting virtually blinded by Baracks' ability to out-campaign, out-hustle and now school the established political guard of the past three decades.

Barack Obama has substance, nobody gets over on these two old political hacks (Clinton/McCain) without the proper chops.

Either Pelosi, Gore or Edwards giving Obama an endorsement will end this democratic run, Hillary Clinton probably should just give up the good fight. It's inevitable now.

[NoFenders]

An Obama presidency wouldn't mean the end of racism as we know it,

Wow, news to me. :cool:

[NoFenders]

Maybe Obama could focus on more important issues if it weren't for people like you, who can't seem to differentiate between the words of one person and the words of another person.



Do you expect somebody who goes to church to follow the words of their guide??? If words were spoken at a certain place, by the person who guides you through life and religion, and they were totally against your views, wouldn't you leave?? If you didn't, wouldn't it be very easy for others to assume that you would agree with those words??? Yeah, there could be a chance you didn't, but most would think you do.

This isn't rocket science or even a matter anymore. He's done. He might still have a chance against Hillary, but up against McCain, he's done. The American public will not have it. He had a great chance to pull himself out of this mess, but he decided to stick to his guns. Not a great move. People who were undecided, are now certain he's not an option. Sorry, but if the people who vote Dem want a chance at getting in office, better start voting for Hillary.

:cool:

[NoFenders]

For the record, I think this election is a joke. Nobody worth electing into office. What's also crazy about this election is the teenage like craze that Obama has created. He has done nothing in the past that makes him material for the Presidency. He looks good, he speaks well, and he tells lies better than the next guy. Get a grip people. He will do nothing for you.

RobMoney$ has had great posts. He brings out the other side. Nothing wrong with that. I happen to agree a lot with Rob. I'm glad more people like him are starting to surface. He's somebody who actually knows what's going on and doesn't turn a blind eye to save his ego. Keep it up Rob!! (y)

:cool:

[afronaut]

Do you expect somebody who goes to church to follow the words of their guide??? If words were spoken at a certain place, by the person who guides you through life and religion, and they were totally against your views, wouldn't you leave?? If you didn't, wouldn't it be very easy for others to assume that you would agree with those words??? Yeah, there could be a chance you didn't, but most would think you do.

This isn't rocket science or even a matter anymore. He's done. He might still have a chance against Hillary, but up against McCain, he's done. The American public will not have it. He had a great chance to pull himself out of this mess, but he decided to stick to his guns. Not a great move. People who were undecided, are now certain he's not an option. Sorry, but if the people who vote Dem want a chance at getting in office, better start voting for Hillary.

:cool:

I'm sure Obama goes to church for the same reason most Christians go to church, to worship. Not to blindly follow anything their pastor says, but to worship their lord. Obama happens to go to the church of the man who introduced him to Christianity, and has an irreplaceable and priceless role in his personal life. Obama has refuted anything you people have said about their relationship.

Also, watch the original video. If you're still put off, and I'm sure many stupid people still will be, then I'm glad you don't support the one candidate America would be insane not to elect.

McCain will never, and I mean never, be able to handle the complex issues that will face us in the burgeoning bio-economic age. I respect his military service and his experience, but he is nothing but a holding pattern. It is obvious that this overly "moralistic," puritan, antiquated, traditional Republican right wing way of handling domestic and foreign issues fail horribly. Banning gay marriage? What the hell is that accomplishing? Abstinence only sex education? The war on drugs? This absurd, ridiculous "moralistic" stance on stem cell research? Wake the hell up, people. We obviously need a change in economic, foreign, and domestic policies. We have more important shit to worry about than some fucking black preacher who pissed some white people off. The future is knocking, and it's pretty obvious we need a new breed of leader to deal with it.

[The Notorious LOL]

any confidence the swing voter will have towards McCain will be reversed once he becomes more vocal and debates take place and everyone will collectively go "JESUS CHRIST THIS OLD FUCKER IS NUTS!"

[yeahwho]

For the record, I think this election is a joke. Nobody worth electing into office. What's also crazy about this election is the teenage like craze that Obama has created. He has done nothing in the past that makes him material for the Presidency. He looks good, he speaks well, and he tells lies better than the next guy. Get a grip people. He will do nothing for you.

RobMoney$ has had great posts. He brings out the other side. Nothing wrong with that. I happen to agree a lot with Rob. I'm glad more people like him are starting to surface. He's somebody who actually knows what's going on and doesn't turn a blind eye to save his ego. Keep it up Rob!! (y)

:cool:

For the record, I think this election is a joke?

Just like RobMoney$. Start a thread that supports your candidate or expect us who have chosen to stand up and support somebody to tell you to basically fuck off. What is the point with people like you when the planet is on it's fucking knees with crisis after crisis.

Your concerned with appearances?

Man up.

[RobMoney$]

any confidence the swing voter will have towards McCain will be reversed once he becomes more vocal and debates take place and everyone will collectively go "JESUS CHRIST THIS OLD FUCKER IS NUTS!"


I actually think the opposite.

McCain comes off as very human, almost "Grandfatherly" in the debates I've seen him in early on in the primaries. He's very quick on his feet when they throw curveball questions at him in debates. If Obama has a weak spot, it's debating. He's great with a prepared speach, not so good when it comes to thinking on his feet, like in a debate.

You've got to remember most Americans are uneducated idiots and when presented with the choice of the guy with the Pastor who hates whites and hates America or the Vietnam War Hero, the choice is practically already made for them. Unfortunetly most Americans won't go any deeper than that with it.

[RobMoney$]

Just like RobMoney$. Start a thread that supports your candidate or expect us who have chosen to stand up and support somebody to tell you to basically fuck off.


I've answered this question, but I'll answer it again because you seem to have missed my point.


I started this thread because I thought it was hilarous that no one had started one yet. It's probably the most significant story to date concerning all of the candidates that are still left in the race. Funny how the Obamatrons who seem to dominate this forum wouldn't post anything about this story.

I don't quite get why you think I have to now start a thread that disparages Clinton and McCain in order to be fair? Believe me, if a similar controversy comes out about them I'll gladly start a thread about it.


In the meantime, feel free to start threads about whatever or whoever you want. Don't rely on me all the time.

[RobMoney$]

For the record, I think this election is a joke. Nobody worth electing into office. What's also crazy about this election is the teenage like craze that Obama has created. He has done nothing in the past that makes him material for the Presidency. He looks good, he speaks well, and he tells lies better than the next guy. Get a grip people. He will do nothing for you.

RobMoney$ has had great posts. He brings out the other side. Nothing wrong with that. I happen to agree a lot with Rob. I'm glad more people like him are starting to surface. He's somebody who actually knows what's going on and doesn't turn a blind eye to save his ego. Keep it up Rob!! (y)

:cool:


A Chicago-ian who sees through Obama?

Preach.

[ThatGuy]

Although the Dems aren't decieded yet, I think the same thing everytime it is an election year, "These are my choices? FUCK!!".

[QueenAdrock]

I'm a life-long Democrat and will support whoever wins the Democratic nomination.

So after all this Obama-bashing, you'd still feel fine supporting him?

[afronaut]

If Rob doesn't like Obama, he has every right to post why, and not get slaughtered for it. This was a big story that wasn't really covered on this board. The problem lays with the fact that its a ridiculous story, and cheap to blame Obama for what someone else said.

The other problem is that there are similar controversies with the other candidates. It's just that the major news networks don't report it. This Rev. Wright "controversy" is nothing but a bunch of bandwagon jumping, and it's easy for people against Obama to milk the story long after it's dried up.

[RobMoney$]

The other problem is that there are similar controversies with the other candidates. It's just that the major news networks don't report it. This Rev. Wright "controversy" is nothing but a bunch of bandwagon jumping, and it's easy for people against Obama to milk the story long after it's dried up.


I'm not being sarcastic at all when I say this,
Why don't YOU post about these stories then?
Don't blame the media for not covering something when you yourself aren't making an issue about it either.
The "media" doesn't post here, you do.

My primary is coming up shortly and I'd appreciate as much info as possible before I cast my vote.
If there truly are issues with McCain & Clinton, then this is the forum for you to shed some light on it for the 10 people who post here. :rolleyes:

[RobMoney$]

So after all this Obama-bashing, you'd still feel fine supporting him?


I seriously don't think I can honestly answer who I would vote for at this point if it came down to Obama & McCain.

They're polar opposites. McCain isn't as conservative, as Obama is liberal, which makes me lean towards McCain, but then I'm reminded that he's a Republican and I suddenly feel the urge to throw up.

Maybe I'll abstain and move to Canada.
So how's the weather up North?

[DroppinScience]

I'm not being sarcastic at all when I say this,
Why don't YOU post about these stories then?
Don't blame the media for not covering something when you yourself aren't making an issue about it either.
The "media" doesn't post here, you do.

My primary is coming up shortly and I'd appreciate as much info as possible before I cast my vote.
If there truly are issues with McCain & Clinton, then this is the forum for you to shed some light on it for the 10 people who post here. :rolleyes:

Click on sazi's posts. He's given links to evangelical leader's endorsing McCain who have said some really vile things about Islam. And don't forget McCain embracing Jerry Falwell (a complete 180, considering he condemned Falwell as an "agent of evil" in 2000), who has said 9/11 was perpetuated by feminists, homosexuals, abortionists, etc.

[Bob]

there's a link in the hilary thread about her "i had to run from sniper fire in bosnia" fib

[yeahwho]

I've answered this question, but I'll answer it again because you seem to have missed my point.


I started this thread because I thought it was hilarous that no one had started one yet. It's probably the most significant story to date concerning all of the candidates that are still left in the race. Funny how the Obamatrons who seem to dominate this forum wouldn't post anything about this story.

I don't quite get why you think I have to now start a thread that disparages Clinton and McCain in order to be fair? Believe me, if a similar controversy comes out about them I'll gladly start a thread about it.


In the meantime, feel free to start threads about whatever or whoever you want. Don't rely on me all the time.

The fact that McCain called Asians "Gooks" until a few years ago and that Hillary Clinton is trying to back-door our country isn't anything very significant?

I can rely on you to start a negative thread in the political section (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1568095&postcount=9) about Obama. You have no real candidate do you? All you really know for sure is you do not like Obama. So it's relatively easy to spout negativity without having to defend any one candidate you feel is better, in fact I can imagine it as being real fucking easy. Enjoy the next 4+ years! But remember, your the one who would never say who could of done a better job, which is so lame on the internet. Nobody cares, it's the internet dude.... we don't care if you love Grandpa McCain or Sister Hillary. Just pick one and support them. Man Up.

Disparage must be all you know and that is a sad place to be.

The real story has moved on from "race" to "when will Hillary bow out", that is the new story today, because quite frankly, she's a bit like you, negative with a sense of entitlement to what she thinks should be.

[yeahwho]

there's a link in the hilary thread about her "i had to run from sniper fire in bosnia" fib

The logic is mind numbing in this thread, Hillary Clinton shows up with her daughter and celebrities aboard a plane to a war that had ended the previous year, but says now she was under sniper fire, then says she's fatigued for saying that, yet says she is the one to answer this red telephone at 3:00 AM because that is when the spooky fear mongering shit happens.

Of course she'll just kick the crap out of McCain the decorated POW Vietnam War hero who was shot out of the sky and spent a few years in the Hanoi Hilton. Because people forget that you had made a mistake about sniper fire in your unquenchable thirst to be president.

Because Obama associated with Rev. Jeremiah Wright;

In the early 1960s, at a time when many young people were being radicalized by the Vietnam War, Wright left college and volunteered to join the United States Marine Corps. After three years as a marine, he chose to serve three more as a naval medical technician, during which time he received several White House commendations. He came to Chicago to study not long after Martin Luther King Jr.'s murder in 1968, the U.S. bombing campaign in Cambodia in 1969, and the shooting of students at Kent State University in 1970.

[QueenAdrock]

I seriously don't think I can honestly answer who I would vote for at this point if it came down to Obama & McCain.

They're polar opposites. McCain isn't as conservative, as Obama is liberal, which makes me lean towards McCain, but then I'm reminded that he's a Republican and I suddenly feel the urge to throw up.

Maybe I'll abstain and move to Canada.
So how's the weather up North?

Or you could write-in. Sure, it doesn't do anything really but at least you can tell your friends honestly that you voted for Batman instead of staying home and not participating in Democracy.

And the ice prison known as Edmonton has finally started to melt. A beautiful time for any expatriot Americans to come for an extended stay!

[afronaut]

I'm not being sarcastic at all when I say this,
Why don't YOU post about these stories then?
Don't blame the media for not covering something when you yourself aren't making an issue about it either.
The "media" doesn't post here, you do.

My primary is coming up shortly and I'd appreciate as much info as possible before I cast my vote.
If there truly are issues with McCain & Clinton, then this is the forum for you to shed some light on it for the 10 people who post here. :rolleyes:

I hardly post here in the first place, and when I do post, I am not interested in furthering some smear campaign centering around things other people have said or done in the past. But while we're on the subject of something like this, why not expose the true nature of all the candidates, instead of just one who you seem to have something against?

You should direct your attention to the posts of sazi, he seems to have a wealth of information about the candidates, information that otherwise gets no attention from any mainstream media outlets.

[King PSYZ]

my favorite parts of this bullshit are


It's now expected that nobody disagree with the US gov't or it's policies since 9/11 as it's now been determined "unAmerican"
The statements drawing the largest ammount of heat were actually a direct quote from a US diplomat and not his own words
The fact of this has been all but completely ignored by the same media that supposedly bows before the altar of Obama
The Clinton's have used Wright as a spirtual advisor in the past yet Billary claims they would never have Wright as a Pastor.
McCain's spirtual backers seem to be alot more worrisome than Barack's but that story went away quickly cause it's about a white christian crazy person and not a black baptist.

[NoFenders]

I'm sure Obama goes to church for the same reason most Christians go to church, to worship. Not to blindly follow anything their pastor says, but to worship their lord. Obama happens to go to the church of the man who introduced him to Christianity, and has an irreplaceable and priceless role in his personal life. Obama has refuted anything you people have said about their relationship.

You'd think he could find a replacement for the guy who hates America. Obama can refute all he wants, but until he leaves the church, it's all said and not done.



Also, watch the original video. If you're still put off, and I'm sure many stupid people still will be, then I'm glad you don't support the one candidate America would be insane not to elect.
That makes no sense at all. You'd think you'd want us all to be for your candidate. But sense you assume everyone is stupid for not jumping on his band wagon, it's really useless for me to even look.


McCain will never, and I mean never, be able to handle the complex issues that will face us in the burgeoning bio-economic age. I respect his military service and his experience, but he is nothing but a holding pattern. It is obvious that this overly "moralistic," puritan, antiquated, traditional Republican right wing way of handling domestic and foreign issues fail horribly. Banning gay marriage? What the hell is that accomplishing? Abstinence only sex education? The war on drugs? This absurd, ridiculous "moralistic" stance on stem cell research? Wake the hell up, people. We obviously need a change in economic, foreign, and domestic policies. We have more important shit to worry about than some fucking black preacher who pissed some white people off. The future is knocking, and it's pretty obvious we need a new breed of leader to deal with it.

If you seriously think he'll change a damn thing, you're very new to this.
:cool:

[NoFenders]

my favorite parts of this bullshit are

It's now expected that nobody disagree with the US gov't or it's policies since 9/11 as it's now been determined "unAmerican"
The statements drawing the largest ammount of heat were actually a direct quote from a US diplomat and not his own words
The fact of this has been all but completely ignored by the same media that supposedly bows before the altar of Obama
The Clinton's have used Wright as a spirtual advisor in the past yet Billary claims they would never have Wright as a Pastor.
McCain's spirtual backers seem to be alot more worrisome than Barack's but that story went away quickly cause it's about a white christian crazy person and not a black baptist.

Mostly bullshit, but if it makes you feel better, than go for it. :cool:

[afronaut]

You'd think he could find a replacement for the guy who hates America. Obama can refute all he wants, but until he leaves the church, it's all said and not done.
And boom, right there you give the perfect example of whats so wrong with the people milking this story. Watch the video, you get no sense that Wright hates America. All you're doing is regurgitating falsities originally vomited up O'Reilly and his ilk.




That makes no sense at all. You'd think you'd want us all to be for your candidate. But sense you assume everyone is stupid for not jumping on his band wagon, it's really useless for me to even look.
No, everyone is simply stupid for the flimsy arguments they hide behind. You just admitted it yourself, you don't even want to look at the original video, you're willfully ignorant. That is why everyone is stupid. You see something some talking head on the tv says, and you repeat it ad nauseum with no attempt to get to the bottom of the real story. Support who you want to support, but when you're going to attack a candidate you don't support, you better damn well be educated about the bullshit you spew about him.


If you seriously think he'll change a damn thing, you're very new to this.
:cool:
He won't change the world, but a standstill, or very slow progress, is better than the backsliding we've been experiencing for so many years. I'll vote for someone who pretends to be for change before I vote for someone who pretends to be for keeping things the way they've been.

[afronaut]

This just in on CNN: Polls suggest no damage to Obama. And has supposedly "more than survived."

But then again, you can't always believe everything on the tv.

[yeahwho]

He won't change the world, but a standstill, or very slow progress, is better than the backsliding we've been experiencing for so many years. I'll vote for someone who pretends to be for change before I vote for someone who pretends to be for keeping things the way they've been.

Your posts are intelligent and have a verifiable candidate whom your defending, I like your writing and enjoy your stance and defense.


Mostly bullshit, but if it makes you feel better, than go for it. :cool:
Your posts are offensive and have no verifiable candidate your defending. I do not enjoy your writing and find this style (which is your style) of writing really easy to do. You have a simple job here, put down everything people say about Obama, then leave.

[NoFenders]

Your posts are offensive and have no verifiable candidate your defending. I do not enjoy your writing and find this style (which is your style) of writing really easy to do. You have a simple job here, put down everything people say about Obama, then leave.


A critic!!!! Great!!! lol

How have I offended????

I don't defend candidates, I just laugh at others who will at the fullest extent.

Don't buy my books if you don't enjoy my writing style. (wtf is writing style on a message board?) lmao

I don't have a job here. I say what I want and then leave yes,kinda like most people here who have things to do. I think you may take this place a little too seriously.

Anyway, thanks for the constructive criticism!! I'll work on it, and send you my progress as soon as I'm done!

(y):cool:

[yeahwho]

A critic!!!! Great!!! lol

How have I offended????

I don't defend candidates, I just laugh at others who will at the fullest extent.

Don't buy my books if you don't enjoy my writing style. (wtf is writing style on a message board?) lmao

I don't have a job here. I say what I want and then leave yes,kinda like most people here who have things to do. I think you may take this place a little too seriously.

Anyway, thanks for the constructive criticism!! I'll work on it, and send you my progress as soon as I'm done!

(y):cool:

You've figured me out, I'm now your biggest fan.

[NoFenders]

:eek:

:p

:cool:

[yeahwho]

:eek:

:p

:cool:

Good one!(y)

[Burnout18]

This just in on CNN: Polls suggest no damage to Obama. And has supposedly "more than survived."

But then again, you can't always believe everything on the tv.

hmm what a coincidence, foxnoise said about 60% of Americans will now avoid stay away from obama.... oh silly fox, how badly do they hate obama.

[QueenAdrock]

If you seriously think he'll change a damn thing, you're very new to this.
:cool:

I would pay more in taxes with him in office.

:confused:

So what do you mean by "changing a damn thing"? You apparently think he'll have enough impact to change tax laws around, so why couldn't he change around other things like environmental laws or more liberal laws his voters want to see?

[King PSYZ]

I guess NoFenders is a braindead millionaire... I wonder if he's a Bush?

[NoFenders]

:confused:

So what do you mean by "changing a damn thing"? You apparently think he'll have enough impact to change tax laws around, so why couldn't he change around other things like environmental laws or more liberal laws his voters want to see?

I mean changing the things you guys are all gooey about. The dream land he creates in your head when he smiles. There's no reality in his vision, especially when he has faith in a racist pig of pastor who has "guided him spiritually" for the past 20 years. What a coinky dink, he retired. I wonder how much he was paid off for that one. Oh, wait, he's buying a million dollar home. Wow, I never knew they made so much. Typical political garbage. Do you think anything will really change other than taking more money out of your check (scratch that you're Canadian right?)?? I don't, it's all the same just a different day.
Yeah, Obama. What a guy.
:cool:

[NoFenders]

I guess NoFenders is a braindead millionaire... I wonder if he's a Bush?

Braindead?? No!

Millionare?? Soon enough.

Bush?? No

Hard worker, independent, man of principal, and good heart??? Most certainly!!

Thanks for the compliments though!
:cool:

[QueenAdrock]

I mean changing the things you guys are all gooey about. The dream land he creates in your head when he smiles. There's no reality in his vision, especially when he has faith in a racist pig of pastor who has "guided him spiritually" for the past 20 years. What a coinky dink, he retired. I wonder how much he was paid off for that one. Oh, wait, he's buying a million dollar home. Wow, I never knew they made so much. Typical political garbage. Do you think anything will really change other than taking more money out of your check (scratch that you're Canadian right?)?? I don't, it's all the same just a different day.
Yeah, Obama. What a guy.
:cool:

A) No, I'm not Canadian. I'm a native to Washington, DC and grew up in Maryland, and then realized that it would cost an arm and a leg for me to go get my graduate degree, but could save over $2,000 to get a quality education across the border. Yay US educational system.

B) You didn't answer my question. If you believe that he will "change things" by raising taxes, why can't he change things such as environmental laws and other things liberals want? I'm under no illusion that he's a "magic answer" (since he DOES have to clean up the bullshit this administration is leaving behind), but I do think he can achieve results. You really think he'll just sit on his ass, raise your taxes, and not do anything that he's promised? I mean, Bush rolled back taxes for the wealthy, repealed environmental laws, overturned partial-birth abortions, appointed two conservative assholes to the Supreme Court, and all that other stuff - he did things that pleased his party. It's not that hard to get things done that you want to when you're President.

What LOGIC do you have that says Obama won't do anything, seeing as how less competant retards such as Bush were able to get things done that he and his party wanted?


And PS, as for that "faith in his pastor" thing - he's come out and specifically condemned what his pastor has said. He's also said that he contemplated leaving the church, but his pastor retired and he felt comfortable staying. That doesn't scream "faith in his pastor" to me.

[NoFenders]

A) No, I'm not Canadian. I'm a native to Washington, DC and grew up in Maryland, and then realized that it would cost an arm and a leg for me to go get my graduate degree, but could save over $2,000 to get a quality education across the border. Yay US educational system.

Ok, sorry. I thought you moved over there. 2k is a nice savings and you get better beer for cheaper, so you win 2 times! (y)


B) You didn't answer my question. If you believe that he will "change things" by raising taxes, why can't he change things such as environmental laws and other things liberals want? I'm under no illusion that he's a "magic answer" (since he DOES have to clean up the bullshit this administration is leaving behind), but I do think he can achieve results. You really think he'll just sit on his ass, raise your taxes, and not do anything that he's promised? I mean, Bush rolled back taxes for the wealthy, repealed environmental laws, overturned partial-birth abortions, appointed two conservative assholes to the Supreme Court, and all that other stuff - he did things that pleased his party. It's not that hard to get things done that you want to when you're President.

Maybe he will, maybe he wont. I don't expect much from our political liars these days. Especially in election time.

What LOGIC do you have that says Obama won't do anything, seeing as how less competant retards such as Bush were able to get things done that he and his party wanted?

Well we can start with what he's already done. Nothing.


And PS, as for that "faith in his pastor" thing - he's come out and specifically condemned what his pastor has said. He's also said that he contemplated leaving the church, but his pastor retired and he felt comfortable staying. That doesn't scream "faith in his pastor" to me.

Wow, his pastor retired just in time for Obama huh?? What a laugh that whole situation is. That's pulling the wool over your eyes where I'm from.

:cool:

[jennyb]

I'm voting for Obama, not his pastor. I just can't believe how this is such an issue as to how Obama can or cannot perform as a President. If anything, his grace under fire from this silly situation proves to me that he possesses these forms of Presidential grace that we desperately need. Yeah, he's definately not a magic fix or anything, he's a politician just like the rest of em but damn he's the most appealing to come along in a long time.

[saz]

martin luther king quotes:


“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today - my own government.”

"I am sorry to have to say that the vast majority of white Americans are racist, either consciously or unconsciously.”

“America was founded on genocide, and a nation that is founded on genocide is destructive.”


father mike pfleger owns fox news (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0wvQMqSzTM) and everyone else who is enraged by this b.s. "news" story.

[DroppinScience]

Actually, that's the interesting thing about the Rev. Wright tempest in a teapot "scandal."

MLK himself, especially in the last year of his life, espoused views that weren't far from Wright anyway, and got hounded by the media until his death.

Pundits have been wrong for 40+ years.

[Bob]

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Rev. Wright is a racist hatemonger! Amen.

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its funny how that rev acts likes hes poor whens hes a millionaire

[saz]

you have to love it when white people complain about this sort of thing, like we've had it so hard throughout the course of human civilization.

[yeahwho]

Fox News had better snap to and salute President Obama with some crisp ass respect come next January. That fucking flag better be prominently displayed right by his smilin' face and and Vice President Wright expects the same shit bitch.

[RobMoney$]

Frankly, I'm loving that this guy won't go away.

The more this guy talks, the more that this guy is really hurting Obama's campaign. There are questions that are still unanswered
Why did Obama continue to be a member of this Pastors Church?
Why does/did Obama consider this man a spiritual mentor and maintain an obvious close relationship?
What does that tell us about Obama's views and beliefs when we really don't know very much about this man who wants to be President.
and most importantly, Why is Obama continuing to stop short of disowning this man, and only disowning his continued bigoted remarks?

They're legitimate questions.


The Obama supporters are locked in. This will not even begin to give them any doubt. But, this will bother many Democrats who are currently supporting Clinton.


I think it's becoming abundantly clear who needs to drop out of this race, and it's not the one wearing the dress.

[QueenAdrock]

Frankly, I'm loving that this guy won't go away.

The more this guy talks, the more that this guy is really hurting Obama's campaign. There are questions that are still unanswered
Why did Obama continue to be a member of this Pastors Church?
Why does/did Obama consider this man a spiritual mentor and maintain an obvious close relationship?
What does that tell us about Obama's views and beliefs when we really don't know very much about this man who wants to be President.
and most importantly, Why is Obama continuing to stop short of disowning this man, and only disowning his continued bigoted remarks?

They're legitimate questions.


The Obama supporters are locked in. This will not even begin to give them any doubt. But, this will bother many Democrats who are currently supporting Clinton.


I think it's becoming abundantly clear who needs to drop out of this race, and it's not the one wearing the dress.

Have you heard the Reverend talk outside of the 10-second sound bites the media feeds you? If so, I think it's obvious why Obama was still a member. The man speaks out passionately against racism and the need for black people to embrace their roots. There's nothing wrong with that.

But if these stupid little controversies DO bother you so much, what do you think of Hillary's "poor memory" regarding the Bosnia situation? I mean, if it was Obama, you'd be jumping down his throat once you heard the words "sniper fire."

[RobMoney$]

Have you heard the Reverend talk outside of the 10-second sound bites the media feeds you? If so, I think it's obvious why Obama was still a member. The man speaks out passionately against racism and the need for black people to embrace their roots. There's nothing wrong with that.

But if these stupid little controversies DO bother you so much, what do you think of Hillary's "poor memory" regarding the Bosnia situation? I mean, if it was Obama, you'd be jumping down his throat once you heard the words "sniper fire."


No I haven't. I'm not about to waste my precious time listening to what he has to say. I couldn't care less. He's clearly getting his jollies off by playing up to the sheep that follow his Black Liberation "Theology".
Did you see his "how long did Cheney serve" then some sort of convulsion incorporating a salute and 'check out my biceps' move all in one? This guy thinks that this is his moment to become a great 'leader' or at least make a few extra bucks..... which is the god that I think he really worships.

His remarks were the lead on every news telecast I watched today. Let's stop trying to suggest that I'm somehow the only one stirring this controversy.

She apologized for the one Bosnia remark, Obama has yet to denounce Wright for the continued bigoted remarks.

There's the difference.


I'm sure Wright has done many wonderful things for people less fortunate than himself in his lifetime. I fail to see how that is supposed to excuse him from any of this.

[QueenAdrock]

Wright is not bigoted, so Obama's not going to "apologize". Wright's angry against racism that has been occurring; you would know this if you watched or read the speeches. You're not the one trying to stir the controversy, but you are spouting off the same crap the media is. Please do yourself a favor and make your own informed decision by reading his speeches. If you don't agree with him, then at least know what you don't agree with.

And yes, he served much more than Cheney did (which was zero), so he will speak out when he's told that he's "unpatriotic" by these chicken hawk leaders. He was a Marine for our country, and he helped operate on Lyndon Johnson when he needed surgery. That's pretty goddamn patriotic to me.

Now I know you're thinking I'm just saying all this stuff because I'm one of the "Obama lovers." I'm not. There's some things Obama says I don't agree with, just like some things that Hillary says that I do agree with. I just happen to think that the Reverend thing is a non-issue that has been over hyped by the media for ratings.

[Bob]

No I haven't. I'm not about to waste my precious time listening to what he has to say. I couldn't care less. He's clearly getting his jollies off by playing up to the sheep that follow his Black Liberation "Theology".

i'm not gonna listen to a word he says but i know he's a bigot!

boy that sounds familiar, huh

[RobMoney$]

i'm not gonna listen to a word he says but i know he's a bigot!

boy that sounds familiar, huh



Yes, kinda the same way that I don't need to watch an hour and a half interview with Paris Hilton to know she's a bimbo.

Some people, you can just see right through, ya know.

[afronaut]

So you admit it, you're willfully ignorant about this situation.

Thanks, that'll save me reading your posts to see if you actually have anything intelligent to say about the issue. I'll just take a page out of your book: I don't have to know what you're saying to know you're not saying anything worthwhile.

Also, all those "unanswered questions" have been answered already. Time and time again. But since you're so fond of the skewed cliff-notes summary version of the news, theres no sense in answering them any more times.

[Bob]

Yes, kinda the same way that I don't need to watch an hour and a half interview with Paris Hilton to know she's a bimbo.

Some people, you can just see right through, ya know.

indeed, robmoney, indeed

[QueenAdrock]

I dunno, if I was told that Paris Hilton actually said something smart (which goes against what I think of her), personally I'd check it out and not just say "No, that can't possibly be true. She's a dumbass."

[abcdefz]

I'd probably shrug or say "huh" and go about my life. :D

[Documad]

Yeah, I can't think of any story that would make me check out a Paris Hilton link.

[abcdefz]

"Paris Hilton Gives Birth to Talking, Tri-Headed Hyenas" might be worth a click.

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah, I can't think of any story that would make me check out a Paris Hilton link.

"Paris Hilton Gives Intelligent, Insightful Contributions on the Ongoing African Hunger Crisis" would probably interest me. But then again, that would happen when pigs fly.

[Documad]

"Paris Hilton Gives Birth to Talking, Tri-Headed Hyenas" might be worth a click.

Okay, I've been proved wrong. I'd click on that if it appeared to come from a mainstream news source. :D

[abcdefz]

....I'm still thinking "Tri-Headed Hyenas."

[RobMoney$]

So you admit it, you're willfully ignorant about this situation.


America is ignorant of Obama because America does not feel like they know Obama, because they do not. He hasn't been on the national stage long enough and there is not a lot of evidence to support anything that he says with the works that he has done.

For those with only a passing interest in politics (which are the majority of Americans) this is what will define Obama.
Obama has failed to transition from the warm and fuzzy "Hope and Change" message, to defining who he is. Maybe that's because he's still in battle with Clinton or maybe because there was no clear plan to transition from that in the first place.
Either way, when his pastor makes moronic comments like he does and his wife says "I'm proud of my country for the first time in my adult life" and he talks down to small town "White" America, the folks with the passing interest start to take these as ways to really define him.

Will this shake the loyalty of Obama supporters? Of course not.
You all automatically dismiss it and get frustrated with the world that it isn't automatically dismissed by others.

[afronaut]

America is ignorant of Obama because America does not feel like they know Obama, because they do not.
There is a difference, however, between ignorance and willful ignorance.

He hasn't been on the national stage long enough and there is not a lot of evidence to support anything that he says with the works that he has done.
But what has Hillary done thats so amazing?

You said in that other thread that his decision making has been "suspect, at best," but he was apparently smart enough to realize the Iraq war was going to be a disaster while Hillary and the rest of America ate up the lies of the Bush administration to further their political careers.

[DroppinScience]

Okay, I've been proved wrong. I'd click on that if it appeared to come from a mainstream news source. :D

And if Bill Moyers got the first interview with Paris Hilton after the fact, I'd glance at it too. :cool:

[RobMoney$]

I'd like to piss on Bill Moyers head, whoever he is.

[afronaut]

Aw cmon man, don't diss PBS like that.

[Documad]

And if Bill Moyers got the first interview with Paris Hilton after the fact, I'd glance at it too. :cool:

I'd watch Moyers interview Hilton, but only if the three-headed hyena was involved.

[abbott]

I just did not care to consider this pastor thing very seriously. If you meet my old pastor, you would think I was crazy. I loved the guy, I loved a lot of his messages and philosophy, but I also kept my own. Part of my point is, people don’t necessarily live 100% of what they study or hear at church. I know I don’t.

[yeahwho]

I just did not care to consider this pastor thing very seriously. If you meet my old pastor, you would think I was crazy. I loved the guy, I loved a lot of his messages and philosophy, but I also kept my own. Part of my point is, people don’t necessarily live 100% of what they study or hear at church. I know I don’t.
Exactly, well balanced people are going to surround themselves with a variety of different people. Sometimes that requires people who think beyond the mainstream media or on a spiritual plane.

The real problem is Hillary and McCain think their surrounded by something other than sharks.

[marsdaddy]

Did anyone else notice his Pastor was NOT wearing an American Flag pen?

Probably the best bit of falling on one's sword ever done.