Who believes in this shit, seriously.

[russhie]

I'm talking about karma. The whole nutty notion that if you do something shitty, it'll be back to bite you in the arse. Fuck off. I've just been through the worst two months of my life, and flipping through a magazine feature on how to be happy almost made me want to snap someone.

I've had enough of people telling me that the fuckwit who broke into my house will get what is coming to him, I'm sick of having people tell me my ex boyfriend has made a huge mistake, and I certainly don't appreciate some holier-than-thou magazine article telling me that karma exists and for that reason I should snap the fuck out of the angry/sad period I'm currently going through.

Forgivness makes you a better person, and such. Makes you happy. I call bullshit on that. I'm not content in wondering whether or not my burglar got hit by a bus minutes after hawking my laptop, I'd rather kick his head in myself. THAT would make me happier.

Back to the original question, I suppose. Who really believes in this shit?

[mikizee]

I sorta believe in it. Sorta.

[Randetica]

karma/god = same shit

[roosta]

I'm talking about karma. The whole nutty notion that if you do something shitty, it'll be back to bite you in the arse. Fuck off. I've just been through the worst two months of my life, and flipping through a magazine feature on how to be happy almost made me want to snap someone.

I've had enough of people telling me that the fuckwit who broke into my house will get what is coming to him, I'm sick of having people tell me my ex boyfriend has made a huge mistake, and I certainly don't appreciate some holier-than-thou magazine article telling me that karma exists and for that reason I should snap the fuck out of the angry/sad period I'm currently going through.

Forgivness makes you a better person, and such. Makes you happy. I call bullshit on that. I'm not content in wondering whether or not my burglar got hit by a bus minutes after hawking my laptop, I'd rather kick his head in myself. THAT would make me happier.

Back to the original question, I suppose. Who really believes in this shit?

Ah....karma.

There's a LOAD more to the concept of karma then just that whole "you get whats coming to you" simplification that alot of people had. The word Karma actually means "action", and a generalisation of it can been described as "cause and effect" which quite simple is true. For every action, there is a reaction, thats essentially what karma is about. Its NOT a system whereby if something shit happens to you it means that you therefore must have done something equally shit.

What karma stresses is that you are responsible for your actions; that everything you do has consequences and these can be positive or negative depending on your intentions when you act. In Buddhism, at least, it is linked to your intentions. That thief's intentions quite possibly were based in pure greed or laziness, mired in negativity. But there is a chance he is deeply unhappy in his life; he lives a life where he might always be paranoid of being caught, where not knowing where his next meal is coming from. He could be an addict. So, by him living a criminal lifestyle, the karmic repercussions could be a lifestyle me or you would not wish on anyone. Thats just one reading of it.

Of course karma transcends different traditions, it does have many different descriptions. So in one way its wrong for you to say "karma is this and its poo!" but its also wrong for me to say "no its not! its this!" But i do like to stress that many modern Western concepts of karma arn't really accurate when compared to its Eastern origins.

I believe in karma because essentially i believe in cause and effect. Buddhism stresses that Karma is not about explaining why shit things happened to you. Its basically used as a guide for people to examine their intentions before they act.

[checkyourprez]

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out.

You can't change the past, so don't let it determine your future.



Let those marinate a little bit...

[Videodrome]

^ drop a gem on 'em

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah, karma is bullshit. The other day I raped a young mother and her son, then minutes later I found a fiver on the street. Result!

[mikizee]

sweet!

[Lex Diamonds]

I know! Then I went to the bookies, put it on the horses and ended up winning 2 grand as well!

[gbsuey]

but now you'll spend it all on rocks,get a serious habit and have to sell your ass for the rest of your life

[monkey]

i believe in karma. not so much in terms of those who harm me will get whats coming to them, but more along the lines that if i do good things, i will get good things in my life.
so, in context: yea, it sucks that you have had all this terrible shit happens. you should be pissed, you should be upset. who wouldnt? and those people that do those negative things to you will probably have negativity in their life in the future. but it has nothing to do with you. all you have to do and move on from this episode and try to keep your life positive, so that positivity comes back to you.

you may not want to believe this stuff. but i think when we have a world where we can only affect our lives so much, it's nice to think that the good things you do will only make your life more fulfilling.

[Whatitis]

I believe in it.

[Dorothy Wood]

ya, what roosta said.


also, I think maybe I'm paying for the sins of my ancestors, some of whom were conquistadors that raped and pillaged their way up through Mexico and into what later became the western United States. evil bastards.

[ericlee]

I think I wrote about this one guy who used to go around and beat up "skate fags"

One of them was me, he jumped me good coming home from school one day. Cracked my head with a bat and everything.

In 06, after a bad crack addiction he took a shotgun and blew his brains out. I believe it's karma related.

I still want to kick his ass though. Fucker.

[Auton]

i believe in it purely because it's cause and effect, and it makes sense: you keep doing something that hurts other people, and one day you'll piss someone off enough that they're going to fuck you up for it.

and i believe in forgiveness (just not for people who keep abusing it time and time again)

[Randetica]

but maybe karma is just some made up shit to make people feel better just like that 'life after death' business

like saying that a person whos been shit to you will get what he/she deserves like getting hit by a car but maybe the person only got hit by a car cause he/she got hit by a car and not cause he/she is a shit person

[Knuckles]

Losing your laptop and a breakup with your boyfriend are the worst things that have happened to you in your entire life?

Consider yourself lucky.


Or maybe you just have good karma. (y)

[roosta]

but maybe karma is just some made up shit to make people feel better just like that 'life after death' business

like saying that a person whos been shit to you will get what he/she deserves like getting hit by a car but maybe the person only got hit by a car cause he/she got hit by a car and not cause he/she is a shit person

yes, but, that's not what karma's bout. maybe some other concept that deals with that stuff is bullshit, but karma is not it.

[russhie]

It might not be what karma is about, but that's what the magazine purported it to be & that's what I was going with in this context - and generally I think that's what other people believe it is. They're probably wrong but it's generally accepted as the explaination of karma so, uh, yeah.

Knuckles, I'm not entirely sure if you meant to come across as a right arse, but you kinda did, so I'm going to explain something. My boyfriend and I were together for the better part of eight years, we have lived together for three, so it's a little more involved than "oh shit, like, my boyfriend dumped me". You don't need to be a genius to know that waking up one morning to have the person you love tell you they're going to leave, and that the associated things that come with them leaving, is fairly stressful. Maybe you'd like to have your privacy violated on top of that, by having someone break into your house and rifle through you things? The laptop contained all my university notes, assignments and also assorted other projects for my freelancing work, so in that sense I've been thrown into the shit at uni as well as at my job. Currently, my life is in chaos, and yes, I'm having difficulty with it all going to shit at once.

I never said that my life sucks so much more than everyone elses' lives, but relative to my world, and my personal experience, this has been an incredibly difficult time and I've had about enough of people pushing the power of positive thinking/bad deeds never going unnoticed type shit at me.

Which is why I made the thread: to see how many people believe in (what appears to be mistakenly labelled as) karma. Nothing more.

[Dorothy Wood]

my friend who's a social worker who has also done work overseas with refugees said that no matter what kind of atrocities have happened to people, romantic heartbreak is still one of the most traumatizing. like a girl will have been imprisoned and raped repeatedly, but she'll still be like, "I loved that boy from my village, but we were separated and he married someone else" and want him back and feel more emotional pain about the loss of a partner than the physical abuse she's suffered.


I'm sorry that all that crap happened to you russhie. :(

[Knuckles]

My boyfriend and I were together for the better part of eight years, we have lived together for three, so it's a little more involved than "oh shit, like, my boyfriend dumped me".

I'm really not trying to be a dick but that's not the same information that you posted here (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=83798).

[russhie]

Christ. I'm astounded that someone paid enough attention to something on here to try and call me on what - a useless discrepancy that means jack all in regards to the thread topic.

If you really must know, we lived together with other people for some time prior to moving out to our own house, on our own, which is what I was referring to in that post.

Anything else you'd like some clarification on, or are you quite done?

EDIT: also, thanks D Wood. Having your heart broken blows. Sadness.

[Knuckles]

What kind of laptop was it?

[Randetica]

yes, but, that's not what karma's bout. maybe some other concept that deals with that stuff is bullshit, but karma is not it.

proof it, bitch!

cause monks get beaten up and stuff so hurry the fuck up! our lives are in your hands!

[gbsuey]

i'm never sure about this one-i think it's like heaven and hell-i don't believe they have anything to do with the afterlife(if there is one)but here and now.but total innocents get put through hell and is there always comeback on the people who do bad shit?? personally i don't think i deserve good things to happen because i do good things-the cause and effect i get is personal satisfaction that i'm the sort of person who will go out of her way to help someone.
when i was about twenty i was out and on my way back to the car park when some random bloke walks out of a pub,walked up to me and punched me in the face,knocking me out for a good twenty minutes and my teeth too-at the time i used to hope he got home that night to find his wife and kids had left him or some shit like that but now i'm happy to know that in his heart he knows he's a proper cunt!!!

[Auton]

Christ. I'm astounded that someone paid enough attention to something on here to try and call me on what - a useless discrepancy that means jack all in regards to the thread topic.

If you really must know, we lived together with other people for some time prior to moving out to our own house, on our own, which is what I was referring to in that post.

Anything else you'd like some clarification on, or are you quite done?

EDIT: also, thanks D Wood. Having your heart broken blows. Sadness.

well not to be a jerk, but if you bother posting that kind of personal, emotional stuff on a public messageboard on the internet... you're really opening yourself up for scrutinization.

[cookiepuss]

The thing about forgiveness is you're the one who's carrying around the burden. it's in you best interest to let it go and move on...because while you're miserable about what happened to you, the person who did it to you is off on a vacation in hawaii or doing something else NOT thinking about what they did to you. So you're just causing your own suffering over something that you really don't have control over. forgiving someone is more about letting go of your own SUFFERING rather than forgetting or condoning something someone inflicted up on you.;)

[russhie]

well not to be a jerk, but if you bother posting that kind of personal, emotional stuff on a public messageboard on the internet... you're really opening yourself up for scrutinization.

I understand that, I'm just amazed that someone would bother to look for a way to discredit my 'story', especially when it's totally off topic. It's a bit weird, and I really didn't think people had the time/inclination to do shit like that. I suppose you learn a new thing everyday.

[Knuckles]

I'm not trying to "discredit" your story. I made my original statement under the assumption that the information you had posted previously was accurate.I also don't think it's really that strange for me to remember that information.

There is a big difference between dating someone for 8 years and dating them for 3. From the information I had you have only been living with this guy for 6 months or so. If that information had been correct than I stand by my statement. You should consider yourself lucky and try to focus on being positive.

[Lex Diamonds]

Seeking out a post from more than 6 months ago to try and belittle someone's problems is a pretty weird thing to do. I'm guessing you don't have many friends in real life.

[Knuckles]

Seeking out a post from more than 6 months ago to try and belittle someone's problems is a pretty weird thing to do. I'm guessing you don't have many friends in real life.

I didn't have to "seek" it out until she gave information that was different to what I remembered.

Don't you have some coke to snort or something Padster?

[ms.peachy]

The concept of karma makes way more sense to me than the concept of God.

[Lex Diamonds]

I didn't have to "seek" it out until she gave information that was different to what I remembered.

Don't you have some coke to snort or something Padster?
What a stupid, dickheaded post. Like you HAD to seek it out at all. Normal people wouldn't have remembered/wasted the time finding it.

Don't you have mountains of gay porn to sift through so you can spend hours meticulously adding people's faces to it?

[Knuckles]

Normal people wouldn't have remembered/wasted the time finding it.


She called me an arse. I was just making sure I really wasn't remembering wrong.

I truly am sorry that Rushie had to go through some harsh stuff.

I'll go back to looking at gay porn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hksil-KkebQ) now.

[Randetica]

The concept of karma makes way more sense to me than the concept of God.

yeah but why would karma care to bite bad people in the ass! god probably does

he needs a life

[venusvenus123]

the whole karma thing is pretty backward, or perhaps it's just the way people seem to interpret it which is stupid. the way roosta presented it makes sense tho-- essentially taking responsibility for one's actions, even something as small as being nice to a cashier in the supermarket. if you're grouchy and rude to people or an arsehole on the road you're spreading bad vibes through society.

taking vengeance on people who have tripped you up isn't going to achieve much tho. if a person has to steal other people's property to get by in life, they can't be having a particularly rewarding life.

that's a bummer that all your files etc have been lost on your laptop :(

if it's any consolation, you probably wouldn't want to stay with someone you met in your teens forever. i'm sure it isn't tho. sorry.

[ms.peachy]

the whole karma thing is pretty backward, or perhaps it's just the way people seem to interpret it which is stupid.

I think most (western) people have this idea of karma as being some sort of tit-for-tat thing, because regardless of how religiously we may or may not have been raised, we tend to have this biblical "eye for an eye" idea of justice. There's no one 'true' definition of karma per se, since it's a concept that has a small variety of different interpretations (Hindus believe karma can be influenced by the intervention of a god, for example, but Buddhists hold a more 'non-interference' point of view; then of course there is the whole notion of reincarnation or not), but at the root of all of them is the notion that karma is about the totality of a person's thoughts and actions, not an itemised "my name is earl" type list. (Although that show is very funny.)

[Randetica]

most would stop believing in karma if life took a huge dump on you and you know you dont deserve it

[ms.peachy]

most would stop believing in karma if life took a huge dump on you and you know you dont deserve it

I would say, having had life take an obscenely huge dump on me that I most definitely did not deserve, that I cannot agree with that.

I have the choice in my life though to decide how to deal with the huge dump. I could spend the rest of my life moaning to anyone who will listen about how unfair the world has been to me because this terrible awful fate has befallen me. Or I can not moan about it but turn my rage and anger at the injustice inward and let it eat away at me, undermining my relationships, sapping my strength, slowly pulling apart the fabric of my life and causing me to shift imperceptibly towards inevitable collapse. Or I can stare my pain, anger and fear straight in the face and listen to what they have to tell me, and use those lessons to move forward in my life and repair my soul (which I have learned will be a lifelong project, by the way). Karma's not just about "what happens to you" - it's equally about how you respond to the things that happen to you.

[Kid Presentable]

Me: So, what now?

My Pain and Anger: You could buy me a drink.

Me: Got no money

My Pain and Anger: Neither

Me: Your face

[Randetica]

or maybe it's just some made up shit lol and you will always have a shit life doesnt matter how well you take your challenges or how nice youre to others

i believe in karma though

[TAL]

Karma karma karma karma karma chameleon
You come and go
You come and go

[ms.peachy]

I guess it depends on how you define "a shit life", really. I think we can all think of examples of people who seem to 'have it all' and then go on to self-destruct, and of others to whom tragedies seem to fall like rain but who still seem to remain positive and look for the good in others. So whose life is shittier?

[Randetica]

shit as in everyone treats you like shit, you never have luck and will die of anal cancer with 20

just like it happened to jesus, kinda

[easy 3]

Being angry at someone is like picking up a red-hot lump of coal to throw at them - chances are you'll get hurt the most.

Let's have a competition to see who's suffered the most - and then laugh at the winner's misfortune.:D

[hitmonlee]

Seeking out a post from more than 6 months ago to try and belittle someone's problems is a pretty weird thing to do. I'm guessing you don't have many friends in real life.

i do this and i know people that do this all the time. and most of the time (unlike russhie i guess) they ARE caught out. its fucking hilarious.

[b i o n i c]

i know ive done it. how long could it possibly take to enter two or three words and hit the search button? what a creep, that knuckles

[Junker]

If Earl Hickey believes I believe too. :)

[icy manipulator]

watch out padster, i have a feeling your karma will come out in photoshop form

[Lex Diamonds]

What a bunch of chumps. You all need to eat a blue-whale sized dick.