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MC Moot
05-01-2008, 10:36 AM
"In the movies, we've tended to like our vices simple: Illegal stuff, like cocaine and weed, is almost always bad, but alcohol and cigarettes were acceptable, even cool, for a long time. Drinking especially used to be played almost solely for laughs -- isn't hiccupping, falling down and waking with a hangover hilarious? It wasn't really until 1945, when Billy Wilder directed Ray Milland in "The Lost Weekend," that the idea of alcoholism as a disease and the perils of the bottle became legitimate dramatic material on the big screen.

Since then, alcohol has had a mixed career in movies, with famous comic and tragic roles. That continues this summer, but with, ahem, a twist as alcoholism enters uncharted territory: the realm of superheroes.

"Iron Man," starring Robert Downey Jr., brings to the screen the pioneering Marvel Comics character of Tony Stark, who developed an alcohol addiction that nearly destroyed everything in his life, including his defense business and his career as a superhero. Stark's battle with the bottle added a depth and vulnerability to his character that had rarely been explored in comic books before, and Downey's Stark will begin to manifest the roots of his problem (although his descent into full-blown alcoholism is a development tentatively scheduled for the sequel).

On the comic side, July's "Hancock" will feature Will Smith as the titular superhero, alcoholic and homeless, whose image is rehabilitated by a public relations consultant (Jason Bateman) and who tries to find his place in the world again.

Depending on whether their films succeed or fail both commercially and artistically, Tony Stark and John Hancock have a good chance of joining our list of the screen's most famous -- or most memorable -- drunks.

Don Birnam (Ray Milland) -- "The Lost Weekend" (1945)
Billy Wilder's "The Lost Weekend" attacked the problem of alcoholism head-on, long before the entertainment industry and polite society itself acknowledged that dependence on booze was a legitimate issue. The film was built around Ray Milland's Oscar-winning performance as a blocked writer whose three-day bender turns into a nightmare. Milland, who ended his career in B-level horror pictures, was never better than in this crackling, confrontational film, which exposed both Birnam's and society's hypocrisies about the way we medicate ourselves, yet did so without taking a holier-than-thou stance. Wilder and Milland forced us to take a long, hard look in the mirror the next morning -- and wonder if we should have had that last "one for the road."

Dude (Dean Martin) -- "Rio Bravo" (1959)
As a singer and nightclub performer, Dean Martin had perfected his public image as a carefree, laid-back, always tipsy boozer, even if he stayed much more on the straight and narrow in his private life. But on-screen his roles in "Some Came Running" (1958) and especially "Rio Bravo" (1959) explored the darker side of the drinking life while ironically cementing his public reputation even further. In the latter, one of Howard Hawks' finest Westerns, Martin's ex-deputy Dude can barely shoot straight because of the shakes from his two-year stint as town drunk. But sheriff John Wayne gives him a second chance, and Dude takes it -- leading this flawed former lawman to the kind of redemption echoed years later in films like "The Verdict"... and, on the comical side, "Blazing Saddles."

Joe and Kirsten Clay (Jack Lemmon and Lee Remick) -- "Days of Wine and Roses" (1962)
The ease with which two cohabitating people can both be consumed by their own self-destructive habits was vividly presented in "Days of Wine and Roses." The Clays have it all -- he's a successful advertising exec, she's a loving wife, they have a wonderful home and child -- but when Joe's social drinking turns into dependency and the previously nondrinking Kirsten first joins and then outpaces him, the collapse of their seemingly perfect life together is shocking. Director Blake Edwards ("The Pink Panther," "10") reportedly checked himself into rehab after completing this 1962 film -- perhaps realizing he did not want to follow the Clays into the abyss.

John "Bluto" Blutarsky (John Belushi) -- "National Lampoon's Animal House" (1978)
John Belushi's Bluto was the definitive sloshed college frat member. In his seventh year of school, with a GPA of 0.0, the permanently hammered Bluto barely gets out a coherent sentence throughout the entire film (except for his rallying speech near the end), leaves a path of destruction behind him, and is the embodiment of every perpetually wasted student everyone has ever known from their undergrad years. The fact that he goes on to become a U.S. senator should surprise absolutely no one. The late Belushi became a big-screen star -- all too briefly, as it turned out -- in this iconic role.

Arthur Bach (Dudley Moore) -- "Arthur" (1981)
Dudley Moore and writer/director Steve Gordon brought back the funny side of excessive drinking (which went out of style about 30 years previously) in "Arthur." Moore's perfectly played title character is heir to a tremendous fortune and on the surface wants for nothing, living a life of drunken leisure. Arthur could easily have been one of the most annoying characters ever -- after all, he doesn't have to do anything except drink and loaf around -- but instead he's a sweet, sympathetic and ultimately lonely man. When this would-be king of the world finally meets his queen in a working-class shoplifter (Liza Minnelli), rejecting the arranged marriage that his entire inheritance depends upon, you're rooting for this befuddled and sodden souse all the way.

Alan Swann (Peter O'Toole) -- "My Favorite Year" (1982)
Peter O'Toole was nominated for a Best Actor Oscar for his performance as washed-up matinee idol Alan Swann, who turns up plastered for a TV variety show appearance and is placed under the care of one of the show's writers (Mark Linn-Baker), who needs to get him sobered up for the live broadcast. Allegedly based on a true incident involving screen star Errol Flynn, director Richard Benjamin's nostalgic, good-natured film places Swann on the thin line between devil-may-care frivolity and a darker fate. O'Toole walks that line magnificently, making Swann a truly bittersweet character.

Frank Galvin (Paul Newman) -- "The Verdict" (1982)
Wow, what was happening in the early '80s? Drunks were all over the silver screen. The theme of the down-on-his-luck alcoholic achieving personal redemption through doing right by others was forcefully presented in Sidney Lumet's 1982 courtroom drama. Paul Newman gives one of his finest performances -- and earned an Oscar nomination -- as Galvin, the downtrodden lawyer who takes on a malpractice case that lines him up against the Catholic Church and its formidable attorney (James Mason). But Galvin's growing personal investment in the case leads to a renewed involvement in his own life as well. Our verdict? Even a lawyer -- and a drunken one at that -- can find his humanity again.

Henry Chinaski (Mickey Rourke) -- "Barfly" (1987)
Henry Chinaski is the thinly disguised alter ego of famously self-destructive writer Charles Bukowski, with the screenplay for "Barfly" (directed by Barbet Schroeder) written by Bukowski himself and culled from several of his own autobiographical short stories. There's little plot in "Barfly" -- it mainly consists of the permanently disheveled and stuporous Chinaski (Rourke at his most dissolute) drinking, talking and fighting, with fellow drunk Wanda Wilcox (Faye Dunaway) gradually becoming his partner in grime and even forging a romance of sorts. Chinaski/Bukowski ultimately rejects the lure of mainstream success -- personified by Alice Krige as a beautiful publisher -- but his choice is, in its own odd way, tragically noble.

Alice Green (Meg Ryan) -- "When a Man Loves a Woman" (1994)
Many of the screen's most famous alcoholics have been male, but Meg Ryan aced a rare and powerful dramatic performance as Alice Green, a school counselor with a secret, in "When a Man Loves a Woman." What makes the film even more unique and provocative is that Alice's recovery is only the first part of her struggle -- her airline pilot husband Michael (Andy Garcia) must come to grips with the idea that his newly strong wife is no longer the helpless mess who always needed his help. The beauty of this overlooked gem is the subtle way in which it tackles more than one kind of dependency.

Ben Sanderson (Nicolas Cage) -- "Leaving Las Vegas" (1995)
"Leaving Las Vegas" was based on a semiautobiographical novel by John O'Brien, who committed suicide two weeks after production began. Similar in some ways to "The Lost Weekend," the book and movie detail the downward spiral of a screenwriter so consumed by alcohol that he severs all connections to his life in Los Angeles and moves to Las Vegas to literally drink himself to death. This tragic tone poem marked a turning point for Cage (he won the Oscar for Best Actor) and serves as an elegiac tribute to a life lost. Like the compassionate hooker (Elisabeth Shue) he shares his last days with, "Leaving Las Vegas" never judges Ben Sanderson -- it merely asks us to observe and remember him.

Willie T. Stokes (Billy Bob Thornton) -- "Bad Santa" (2003)
If Arthur and Bluto made being drunk funny again, Billy Bob Thornton's Willie Stokes in "Bad Santa" carried on the tradition -- but in keeping with the times (the movie came out in 2003), the dissolute and debauched Stokes is a much darker, nastier character. Frightening children who come to visit him at the department store he plans to rob, soiling his already filthy and sagging Santa suit, hurling obscenities in every direction, Stokes is full of hatred for himself and the rest of the human race -- which makes his ultimate bonding with bartender Sue (Lauren Graham) and loser kid Thurman Merman (Brett Kelly) that much more surprising and oddly triumphant. If there's a glimmer of hope for this bottom-feeding stumblebum, there's a chance for us all."

MC Moot
05-01-2008, 10:37 AM
From that list,for me,it's a toss up between "The Lost Weekend" or Newman in "The Verdict"...(y)

abcdefz
05-01-2008, 10:38 AM
One thing that kills me about alcoholics in film and TV is how often they're physically in pretty terrific shape. I was watching Friday Night Lights
and Riggins had his shirt off and I had to laugh. Yeah -- beer and whiskey, applied generously over time, tends to produce an underwear model. :D

MC Moot
05-01-2008, 10:42 AM
This true the likely result of such a diet is this:

http://www.martyangelo.com/john_g1.jpg

abcdefz
05-01-2008, 10:47 AM
From that list, I'd go with Newman or O'Toole.

Days of Wine and Roses is in my current queue, actually. I've never seen it.

Oddly enough, Dean Martin played a drunk very badly in Rio Bravo. His "shakes" were hilarious.

DandyFop
05-01-2008, 10:50 AM
One of my favorite drunks in film is Mickey Rooney in Pete's Dragon. I was obsessed with that movie as a kid and watching it recently I am
amazed at the blatant boozing going on! Classic

abcdefz
05-01-2008, 10:51 AM
I'm surprised they didn't have Nick and Nora from The Thin Man series.

I would've added Kevin Bacon from Diner, too. He did a great job with that.

taquitos
05-01-2008, 10:53 AM
drunks of film and no mention of randy quaid (http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/not_another_teen_movie/randy_quaid/teen.jpg)? for shame

MC Moot
05-01-2008, 10:54 AM
You know who else I really like,though it's not film but had the quality of film was Robbie Coletrane in "Cracker",excellent portrayal of a true to life alcholic/gambling addict...(y)

abcdefz
05-01-2008, 10:55 AM
How about Walter Matthau in Bad News Bears?

MC Moot
05-01-2008, 10:55 AM
Maybe Daniel Day Lewis should have gotten a nod for the last 10 minutes of "There Will Be Blood"...(y)

abcdefz
05-01-2008, 10:58 AM
If you wanna play it that way, we have to nominate Robert Duvall for the first 10 minutes of Tender Mercies.

MC Moot
05-01-2008, 10:59 AM
How about Walter Matthau in Bad News Bears?

:D

The waiter wins it all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh15qCxrTY4&feature=related

MC Moot
05-01-2008, 11:31 AM
The Candy man could...R.I.P...:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0p2PKT95YI&feature=related

MC Moot
05-02-2008, 10:54 AM
^I absolutley thought about it,I did,I did...(y)

abcdefz
05-02-2008, 10:58 AM
How about W.C. Fields?

Will Munny in Unforgiven.

MC Moot
05-02-2008, 11:00 AM
Go away kid ya bother me...(y)

Fatty Arbuckle...?...:eek:

MC Moot
05-02-2008, 11:19 AM
Groucho Marks often complimented the cigar with a martini...

Praying Mantis
05-02-2008, 11:41 AM
Dennis Hopper in Hoosiers.

MC Moot
05-02-2008, 11:43 AM
Gary Oldman in "State of Grace" that's a good one...and James Colburn in "Affliction" just came to mind...

abcdefz
05-02-2008, 11:50 AM
Oh, shit -- I can't believe I forgot

Tom Reagan - Miller's Crossing

Yeti
05-02-2008, 12:00 PM
Lee Marvin as Liberty Valance

He was a mean drunk.

I am a big fan of Otis Campbell but he never made it to the big screen.

MC Moot
05-02-2008, 12:05 PM
Verna: That's not why you came, either...
Tom: Tell me why I came...
Verna:The oldest reason there is...
Tom: There are friendlier places to drink...

:cool:

mate_spawn_die
05-02-2008, 12:08 PM
drunken master!

abcdefz
05-02-2008, 12:16 PM
Verna: That's not why you came, either...
Tom: Tell me why I came...
Verna:The oldest reason there is...
Tom: There are friendlier places to drink...

:cool:



That movie is so fucking quotable.


Tom: Intimidating helpless women is part of what I do.
Vera: Then find one and intimidate her.

MC Moot
05-02-2008, 12:18 PM
^so often we overlook the obvious...(y)

MC Moot
05-02-2008, 12:35 PM
That movie is so fucking quotable.


Tom: Intimidating helpless women is part of what I do.
Vera: Then find one and intimidate her.

Maybe my fave movie quote of all time:

Verna: What're you chewin' over?

Tom: Dream I had once...I was walkin' in the woods, I don't know why. Wind came up and blew me hat off...

Verna: And you chased it, right?...You ran and ran, finally caught up to it and you picked it up...But it wasn't a hat anymore and it changed into something else, something wonderful...

Tom: Nah, it stayed a hat and no, I didn't chase it...Nothing more foolish than a man chasin' his hat...

:cool:

abcdefz
05-02-2008, 12:36 PM
^

...and she even looks a little hurt.



"That's a penny you owe him!"

roosta
05-02-2008, 12:42 PM
i can't believe no one has mentioned Withnail & I

You can start and finish here.

Easily the best drunken performance on screen ever.

Funniest thing about it was Richard E. Grant is a teetotaller, but to prepare for the role the director made him go on a bender. He got violently ill as he is allergic to alcohol.

abcdefz
05-02-2008, 12:48 PM
Maybe John McCabe in McCabe & Mrs. Miller.

MC Moot
05-02-2008, 12:54 PM
You can start and finish here.

Easily the best drunken performance on screen ever.

Funniest thing about it was Richard E. Grant is a teetotaller, but to prepare for the role the director made him go on a bender. He got violently ill as he is allergic to alcohol.

It was a manic performance for sure,hilarious and painful at times...but only a mediocre film overall...I'm using both aspects to choose...thers a quality about Newman in "The Verdict" that is stunning,so believable,I'm sure it was live booze on that set...

abcdefz
05-02-2008, 01:11 PM
Oh, hell --

George and Martha (?) - Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

BangkokB
05-04-2008, 02:42 AM
Lee Marvin
He was all Man. I had a Twilight Zone book about each episode and when it came to the stories staring him they said He was more into the Bottle than into the Script.

Fact: Jug Headed Nicholas Cage went "into training and had to get into character" for his movie about being a drunk. So he went on a semi binge and then filled that he'd done his part. I've been in rehearsal for more than half my life just in case Hollywood wants a case study for a sequel


And I'll bang this drum as well I should have stared in Barfly and Factotum

mathcart
05-04-2008, 02:20 PM
Nick Cage in Leaving LasVegas (the last serious role he did!) I always he did a very good job with that. I don't know this movie your all raving about, thou...
(y)

mathcart
05-04-2008, 02:21 PM
Fact: Jug Headed Nicholas Cage went "into training and had to get into character" for his movie about being a drunk. So he went on a semi binge and then filled that he'd done his part. I've been in rehearsal for more than half my life just in case Hollywood wants a case study for a sequel

Clearly this is one of those agree to disagree moments

kleptomaniac
05-04-2008, 04:05 PM
Gary Oldman in "State of Grace" that's a good one

i just bought that movie online! along with "romeo is bleeding" ;)

MC Moot
05-05-2008, 08:34 AM
A-Z please bow your head with with me in a moment of humility cause we both neglected:

Daniel Day Lewis as Christy Brown in "My Left Foot"

:o

abcdefz
05-05-2008, 08:57 AM
I haven't seen that since it came out. I didn't remember him being an alcoholic.

Who would keep feeding him booze? That's nuts.

MC Moot
05-05-2008, 09:07 AM
His long time companion "sheila" remember when she realizes he's "hopeless" and starts to at least help him with a measure of dignity,shows him how to tuck the mickey into his wallet pocket and use a straw...:eek:

abcdefz
05-05-2008, 09:14 AM
I guess I'll have to see that again.

Though I do have an image of him now drunk, being belligerent in public...

sercomdj01
05-05-2008, 09:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_q7Zfs6dVE

abcdefz
05-05-2008, 11:05 AM
Yeah; kinda like that.

sercomdj01
05-06-2008, 04:37 AM
i NEVER drink.
And shouldn't have been given a guitar when i did :S