You know, alcohol is shit.

[afronaut]

It really is. What a cheap, waste of time drug. I had a fairly unpleasant experience last night involving my friend and the extremely negative effect vodka has on his personality. It basically turns him into a raving, naked, possessed asshole. For what? So your GABA can be inhibited and you can feel dizzy and make an ass out of yourself and then feel like shit the next morning? Cheap.

Shit like that never happens on pot. And as much as pot can turn you stupid and be abused as well, I have had some very valuable cognitive and artistic experiences aided by the influence of marijuana. These experiences were basically the antithesis of the effect alcohol has on your brain.

[ericlee]

I agree. I've done some stupid shit while wasted on Jameson and vodka and other liquors.

I stay away from that stuff. I only like some beers on the weekend, either Saturday or Sunday.

I'll drink a six pack or a 12 pack at the most if I'm hanging with some friends.

Pot, I'll do 3-4 times a week and I'll be playing my guitar right after. All of my songs were thought of after a joint and just playing around. Not that they're great or anything but, I haven't been so imaginative while sober.

But, you probably opened the pot debate on the board again. Here we go.

[afronaut]

Well, I think I missed the pot debate the first time around.

As for the beer thing, I used to be against beer because I didn't see the point; but now I see how getting a beer buzz is a lot smarter than getting fucked up on liquor. Theres a big difference between a "i just drank a lot of beer" drunk and "i just drank a shitload of tequila" drunk. I also think I've finally acquired the taste for beer.

Edit: I would like to say though that the alcohol and pot combination can be nice every once in a while.

[ericlee]

talking about pot here usually starts a debate.

Getting stupid drunk on beer is pointless as well. You should know your limit and don't exceed it.

Pot and beer is a good combo too, not overdone.

My pal is going through some trouble right now, he's been drinking everyday for months and he's finally getting some treatment because he doesn't like where his path is taking him.

[checkyourprez]

Beers and liquor are fun because you just get loose. The inner ass in you comes out. Sometimes that ass can be bad news, like with your friend. But other times its really fun.


I do agree on the pot being a lot better though. I am on a health kick these days so I don't mess with it anymore but it can defiantly be more beneficial to the creative experience. (Plus its not even as close to be as dangerous while driving, which is a totally different can of worms.)

[Miho]

afronaut,

I appreciate you starting this thread because I agree with this sentiment. Now, I drink primarily beer, quite often enough, but I am not rude or obnoxious when I am drinking alcohol. I do feel, however, that drinking is used as a tool for many things-- whether it's intimate, or most definitely, for social occasions. I'm thinking about it some more, and I've come to a conclusion that people require alcohol in order to feel relaxed or loosened up while in a social situation. Otherwise, they're incapable of feeling relaxed. Am I thinking too much or am I right about this? So, perhaps alcohol is a double-edged sword. Pros and cons.

Overall, though, I'd say alcohol is a waste of time and money. Surely, we have better ways to occupy our time.

[afronaut]

I'm thinking about it some more, and I've come to a conclusion that people require alcohol in order to feel relaxed or loosened up while in a social situation. Otherwise, they're incapable of feeling relaxed. Am I thinking too much or am I right about this?
I think you're right, thats a big reason for its abuse.

[taquitos]

numbs the pain (y)

[mathcart]

numbs the pain (y)

fuck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4yndU6NqUE) the pain away!?!
:D

[Gareth]

flag piss and drugs
dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc2825IyZFM) your pain away

[saz]

i always shied away from these sort of discussions because they predominantly are dominanted by cliche stoner babble, but the sentiments expressed here are very true and well put.

booze, at least for me, doesn't invoke and inspire creative or artistic moments, whereas drugs and specifically weed does. i really hear ericlee, as i've come up with some of my best material under the influence.

i grew out of the getting drunk thing years ago, and only drink german (http://www.genx40.com/images/beerblog/hefe8.JPG) wheat beer (http://www.azbukavkusa.ru/i/photo/bg/beer/paulaner-hefe-weizen_bg.jpg) strictly for the taste as it's damn delicious, and in my view the best beer on the planet. plus wine. even one rum and coke is more than enough for a night.

[DipDipDive]

I've come to the conclusion recently that I really don't enjoy drinking. Having a drink or two is fine, but all a small amount of alcohol does is make me tired, and while being kind of buzzed in the right company is fun, I'm guaranteed to feel shitty and useless and down on myself the next day.

I agree that weed can generate creative inspiration and perhaps enlightening conversation amongst friends, but I've realized as I've gotten older that the creativity and great conversation that comes about when all parties are completely sober is genuine and true, and ultimately far more rewarding. But that's me.

[Dorothy Wood]

I was drinking vodka last night, and it turns me into a goofy bastard. I had a lot of fun for a change though, but that was mostly because I got to play euchre and was hanging out with my dudes that I kinda stopped hanging out with when I went off the market. I was shouting a lot and saying stupid stuff...I think some of it was funny. everyone was out of their minds, but usually nobody gets too mean or jerky. we're all old though. :/

I definitely function better on alcohol than weed and I rarely partake in it at parties. and I rarely drink more than I can handle.

I didn't drink friday night, just got stoned with a small group at my place (everyone else was drinking) and played twister and mad libs. that was pretty hilarious. nothing's more funny than two 31 year old 6' tall 200+ pound dudes trying to knock each other over on a twister mat. architect vs. librarian! battle to the death!


anyway, I guess what I'm saying is I like a little variety when I'm abusing substances, I don't think drinking's all bad. I suppose people act more ridiculous with it when they're younger...or sports fans

[HEIRESS]

getting drunk at house gatherings (wine please) or while camping (beers) is always tons of fun.

I havent gotten sloshed at a more public affair (pub or club) in a really really long time. I dont enjoy not being in total control when in crowds anymore.

I almost never drink hard alcohol unless I have a randon caesar at a restaurant or people are all "JAGER BOMBSSSSS"
which seems to still happen alot, no matter how much older I get.

[TAL]

Alcohol (y)

[adam_f]

Capri Sun(y)(y)

[Planetary]

LETS GET SOME CAPIRI-SUNS I WANNA CELEBRATE

[RobMoney$]

It basically turns him into a raving, naked, possessed asshole. For what? So your GABA can be inhibited and you can feel dizzy and make an ass out of yourself and then feel like shit the next morning? Cheap.


Your friend sounds cliche as fuck.
Is he going to pledge next semester?

[paul jones]

I had 5 pints of Kronenburg tonight and I still won the fuckin pub quiz so alcohol is fucking brilliant(y)

[afronaut]

Hmm, not so much a raving naked lunatic in a cliche frat boy way, but in a violent, scary way. Either way, he's not going to pledge next semester because he's too busy drinking to go to college.

Anyway, I'm no teetotaler, I just personally don't see the point anymore.

[RobMoney$]

I used to get high and drink a lot, probably everyday. Now when I get high it makes me retarded and I can't talk.
I'm much more social with alcohol at this point. I know my boundries with it and only go over them on occasions like NYE or 4th of July.

I'm also one of those people who believe alcohol intensifies your true personality. It allows you to take the mask off. Violent people become more violent, whores become bigger whores, ect...

[paul jones]

I used to get high and drink a lot, probably everyday. Now when I get high it makes me retarded and I can't talk.
I'm much more social with alcohol at this point. I know my boundries with it and only go over them on occasions like NYE or 4th of July.

I'm also one of those people who believe alcohol intensifies your true personality. It allows you to take the mask off. Violent people become more violent, whores become bigger whores, ect...


I'll back up with Rob says about the intesifying effect alcohol has.

I think if you can drink in moderation then it's better than waiting for a while then having a skinful which always backfires is good.

who wants a drink btw?

[Lex Diamonds]

What's the difference? As long as it gets me fucked I'll take whatever.

I'm drinking a beer AND smoking a spliff right now, it's the way forward.

[paul jones]

What's the difference? As long as it gets me fucked I'll take whatever.

I'm drinking a beer AND smoking a spliff right now, it's the way forward.

padster is my G!(y)

[Lex Diamonds]

Word is bond, son!

[afronaut]

What's the difference? As long as it gets me fucked I'll take whatever.

Well, thats why you're stupid and I'm not.

Anyway, thats an interesting theory, Rob. Unfortunately, the last thing a lot of people need is to intensify their personality.

I find pot to be kind of worthless in social situations, unless it's with good, close friends. Most often, I take my marijuana in solitude. But thats just me. I think I've gotten over using drugs as a social aid, or to just get fucked up. I try and see how I can benefit from my drugs, and I just don't see how I can benefit from alcohol anymore. Which isn't to say massive marijuana use is useful either; it kind of loses the quality I like so much when I use it every day.

Though, every once in a while, it is nice to just let loose and get drunk. But even then, the next morning it just doesn't seem worth it. I'm still going to have that toxic feeling in my stomach and smelly poop the next morning.

[Yetra Flam]

i don't know, when i'm drunk i'm happy and friendly and laid back. i'm pretty sure that's not my true personality intensified. i'm generally cranky and highly strung

[Lex Diamonds]

Well, thats why you're stupid and I'm not.
No, that's why I'm enjoying my life while you're a full-time hater. If you don't like it then don't drink, there'll be more for us real men.

[Bob]

i don't know, when i'm drunk i'm happy and friendly and laid back. i'm pretty sure that's not my true personality intensified. i'm generally cranky and highly strung

i'm kind of the same actually. i generally feel less angry and moody when i'm drunk. generally i often like to be away from people, they tend to bug me, but when i'm drunk i don't really mind. i guess that's a problem but OH WELL

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah, I cheer up when I drink. But I accept that alcohol is fundamentally shit, and that society is way too dependent on it. I mean, if life were really any good, we wouldn't be trying to escape it all the time.

[afronaut]

No, that's why I'm enjoying my life while you're a full-time hater. If you don't like it then don't drink, there'll be more for us real men.
My lifes pretty awesome, and I don't have to get fucked up for it to be that way. You lose. Have fun in rehab.

[Kid Presentable]

On the other hand, I never understood the connection between enjoying getting fucked up, and going to rehab. I know one ultimately can lead to the other, but it's equally as likely Pad will just carry on his merry way being none the worse for wear.

Are you afraid of rehab, afronaut?

[Miho]

I've gotten drunk lots and lots of times, in the duration of a couple years. I never touched a sip of alcohol before I turned around 22, maybe? Keep in mind, my family always had alcohol available, out in the open, while they had big festivities. It's a cultural thing. I never saw a motivation to drink, until recently, where I've met a select few good-natured people. I have to admit. It is nice to drink with a couple good friends who you trust and can have real, down-to-Earth conversations with. Like conversations you'd have with your siblings. Drinking alcohol, however, gets old really fast, if you do it on a constant basis. Admittedly, I do that.

But, yeah, anyway-- the novelty factor behind alcohol is nothing special. A lot of people who drink tend to annoy the %&@$ out of me. Especially when it's in a large group of people. I notice subtle trends that experienced drinkers partake in. I can't even recall them right now. Only when I'm at that moment, can I get bugged by them. And I'm talking about certain comments they make, whilst drinking.

[Lex Diamonds]

I've gotten drunk lots and lots of times, in the duration of a couple years. I never touched a sip of alcohol before I turned around 22, maybe? Keep in mind, my family always had alcohol available, out in the open, while they had big festivities. It's a cultural thing. I never saw a motivation to drink, until recently, where I've met a select few good-natured people. I have to admit. It is nice to drink with a couple good friends who you trust and can have real, down-to-Earth conversations with. Like conversations you'd have with your siblings. Drinking alcohol, however, gets old really fast, if you do it on a constant basis. Admittedly, I do that.

But, yeah, anyway-- the novelty factor behind alcohol is nothing special. A lot of people who drink tend to annoy the %&@$ out of me. Especially when it's in a large group of people. I notice subtle trends that experienced drinkers partake in. I can't even recall them right now. Only when I'm at that moment, can I get bugged by them. And I'm talking about certain comments they make, whilst drinking.
Sounds to me like you've got it all wrong. Drinking should be the norm, not the exception.

[Miho]

Well, you know, I do especially fiend for a beer after work. It relieves the tiredness and stress away. I never, ever got the "getting smashed" part of drinking. Really, no point to it. I fear throwing up. I remember, not too long ago, I did throw up from having one too many of those Japanese beers. Now I forgot the @$%#ing name of it. Sapporo or something? At any rate, when I sense I've been drinking a tad too much. I slow it down dramatically.

Some people really love alcohol. Others are not thrilled by it. Just a person's preference.

[Bob]

Yeah, I cheer up when I drink. But I accept that alcohol is fundamentally shit, and that society is way too dependent on it. I mean, if life were really any good, we wouldn't be trying to escape it all the time.

yeah, i suppose that's true

[b i o n i c]

Some people really love alcohol. Others are not thrilled by it. Just a person's preference.


totally. also, some people like vanilla ice cream.

[Miho]

Hey, I needed some statement to close off my ramblings. That suited my needs.

[b i o n i c]

hey some people like to close off ramblings and some people

[Miho]

You missed a word there. Don't*

[ET]

Yeah but sometimes you have to

anyway, I'm going to avoid stirring up more shit but I can attest that I've seen more negativity coming out of alcohol related binges than weed overdose. Odd how one is illegal and one isn't. But you can really go running around naked on weed. I think priority #1 while high is making some Bagel Bites and finding those MST3K DVDs you burned a few months ago.

It's pretty difficult to respect someone when, time and time again, they take things overboard and on Monday all you hear is "Maaan I was so wasted blah blah something I regret doing that I've done more than once blah blah." These are the folks that sometimes end up in rehab.

[DipDipDive]

Sounds to me like you've got it all wrong. Drinking should be the norm, not the exception.

You really shouldn't respond as though you're an authority on this subject considering the fact that not too long ago you were posting about how you couldn't function without being coked up or drunk because your emotions were in the shitter over your fucked up girlfriend. That shit is unhealthy and if you don't realize that you're an addict, if not, a garden variety retard.

[afronaut]

You really shouldn't respond as though you're an authority on this subject considering the fact that not too long ago you were posting about how you couldn't function without being coked up or drunk because your emotions were in the shitter over your fucked up girlfriend. That shit is unhealthy and if you don't realize that you're an addict, if not, a garden variety retard.

Exactly. Hence: have fun with the rehab. Also, I hope he enjoys that cognitive impairment. I hear thats a real hoot.

[Kid Presentable]

I just think that using your own values as a basis for attacking somebody elses values is pretty much fascism.

[DipDipDive]

Value judgments have little to do with recognition of addictive behavior. I don't recall accusing burnouts, cokeheads, and alcoholics of being horrible or morally corrupt people. I pity them, actually, and hope they're able to get their shit together enough to get help at some point in their lives. If not, well, they may just become horrible or morally corrupt. That shit's ultimately on them though.

[Miho]

I just think that using your own values as a basis for attacking somebody elses values is pretty much fascism.

Still, that depends on how bad the situation is. If we're talking about casual drinkers, then there is no need to be discussing anything, but if it becomes worse, and escalates into violent behavior, then there is a cause for concern.

[Kid Presentable]

Value judgments have little to do with recognition of addictive behavior. I don't recall accusing burnouts, cokeheads, and alcoholics of being horrible or morally corrupt people. I pity them, actually, and hope they're able to get their shit together enough to get help at some point in their lives. If not, well, they may just become horrible or morally corrupt. That shit's ultimately on them though.

Afronaut is going far enough to imply that he is better than Pad because he won't be going to rehab. Your recognition of addictive behaviour is just another person's recognition of liking a good time. You can be a fretful parent or not, you know?

I'm not trying to get into a whole big thing about this. People can do what they want, if it doesn't hurt anybody else. And I figure that afronaut's buddy has hurt other people with his behaviour, hence the thread. It also seems that afronaut is basing the value of his own opinion upon how much it entitles him to belittle the Padster.

[Kid Presentable]

Still, that depends on how bad the situation is. If we're talking about casual drinkers, then there is no need to be discussing anything, but if it becomes worse, and escalates into violent behavior, then there is a cause for concern.

Then you have to ask whose problem that is. We can only (on this messageboard) talk about hypotheticals and what ifs. Until your drinking affects me directly, Miho, we have no problem. Nahumsayin?

[Miho]

Yeah. Agreed.

[Kid Presentable]

The reverse is possibly true, too; that Padster is using his own values to belittle those of afronaut. I think it's very knee-jerk to be calling anybody an addict though. It's very stupid behaviour, but I don't think 'addict' really fits. He's just being a 19 year old numpty. Been there, can relate. A not particularly clever (but all the same valid) way to learn about drugs and their negative consequences is to do them.

[afronaut]

Afronaut is going far enough to imply that he is better than Pad because he won't be going to rehab. Your recognition of addictive behaviour is just another person's recognition of liking a good time. You can be a fretful parent or not, you know?

I'm not trying to get into a whole big thing about this. People can do what they want, if it doesn't hurt anybody else. And I figure that afronaut's buddy has hurt other people with his behaviour, hence the thread. It also seems that afronaut is basing the value of his own opinion upon how much it entitles him to belittle the Padster.
Padster acts like hot shit, brags about his cocaine use, and has an obviously shit outlook on addictive substances. I think people should be able anything they want into their bodies; but if youre a dumbshit about it, I'm going to treat you like a dumbshit.

[Bob]

i think maybe padster isn't being totally serious in this thread

[Kid Presentable]

Fucking what Bob said, like in his sig.

[hitmonlee]

if i don't get drunk once in a while, like, shitfaced, i tend to go a bit crazy and get really bored. only needs to be once a month or so, but i have to BINGE.

but yeah i agree its a pretty shit drug.

[Kid Presentable]

Also, I hope he enjoys that cognitive impairment. I hear thats a real hoot.

This bit; this is where you decided your values in terms of a good time place you in a 'better' position than Paddy, no? Honest question.

[DipDipDive]

I've dealt with a lot of addicts in my life and am very familiar with addictive behavior. When people talk about how awesome their lifestyles are on one page, and then flip the script in an instant and talk about how miserable they are, it's a pretty strong indication to me that they have a problem. Whether they're communicating that to me on a message board or in person doesn't really make a difference as far as I'm concerned, nor does the person's age.

I think it's healthy to hope that people can enjoy themselves sober rather than encourage them to be destructive. You can take that as judgmental if you wish.

And trust me, I've been plenty drunk, stoned and stupid in my day, so I'm not above any of this. I may have said at one point or another that coke is for retards though. Oh well.

[DipDipDive]

i think maybe padster isn't being totally serious in this thread

Yeah you might be right. But it resulted in a mildly interesting conversation.

BTW I'M TOTALLY FUCKED UP RIGHT NOW.

[Miho]

I lost my train of thought on where this was going. The stuff is good in moderation.

[Kid Presentable]

I've dealt with a lot of addicts in my life and am very familiar with addictive behavior. When people talk about how awesome their lifestyles are on one page, and then flip the script in an instant and talk about how miserable they are, it's a pretty strong indication to me that they have a problem. Whether they're communicating that to me on a message board or in person doesn't really make a difference as far as I'm concerned, nor does the person's age.


This statement isn't implying that you're the only person in the thread qualified to talk about addictive behaviour though. Right?

The difference from what I'm reading is that you knew the addicts. You can say that a messageboarder communicates addictive traits, but until you're as familiar with them as you are the addicts you knew irl, you can't compare them. You don't get the benefit of knowing a person's contexts and habits online. They just post some stuff. Again, I think you're being a little overzealous with your use of addicts online, but that's not to take away from the real-world addicts I'm sure you (and the rest of us) have dealt with.

[Gareth]

i like drinking with my friends

[Lex Diamonds]

Exactly. Hence: have fun with the rehab. Also, I hope he enjoys that cognitive impairment. I hear thats a real hoot.
You're a real cock. I hope it's not the first time somebody has told you that.

Just because I have had a particularly self-destructive spell every now and then has absolutely no bearing on this argument. You and DDD trying to use the shit that happened with my girlfriend as some misguided leverage for your moronic opinions is just low. It's lower than low, it's disgusting. Seriously would you have said that shit in real life? I for one would have knocked you out by now.

Say what you want about drinking, Americans have always got it wrong anyway. You can fight and die in an illegal war at 16 but not drink till you're 21? Your whole attitude to alcohol is twisted and endangering. Having homoerotic parties called "keggers" where sweaty shirtless guys get really excited about swallowing a litre of beer then throwing up is a prime example of how fucked up your society is.

Most societies see alcohol as something to be enjoyed, a nice cold beer on a sunny afternoon or a large glass of wine with dinner. The English have always had a reputation for drinking heavily to help get past their problems, since hundreds of years ago. It can help a person to stay strong and get on with life.

[na§tee]

oh lordy.

i'm going to sit in the sun on this bank holiday monday, drink some kopparberg - a moderate amount - and hopefully try and start a bbq. bbq! burnt sausage, anyone?

[gbsuey]

you have sun?

[Lex Diamonds]

Scotland has sun and we don't? That takes the piss, me and all my mates were meant to go to this annual hippy festival today, which is not happening because it is pissing down horribly. I was looking forward to it for months as well. :(

[na§tee]

i saw the bbc weather yesterday and the south was all covered by a rainy grey cloud of doom. it is beautiful here - 21C! pretty stunning. i'll try not to rub it in ; ) i'll save some scorched burgers for you.

[gbsuey]

i know-grim down south. don't blame you for passing on the hippy festival-fun in the sun but total shit in the rain!!

[Lex Diamonds]

I'm actually really pissed off, me and everyone I know was looking forward to this for months, it's meant to be like the start of the summer. Now nobody is going because of the fucking rain.

[gbsuey]

i saw the bbc weather yesterday and the south was all covered by a rainy grey cloud of doom. it is beautiful here - 21C! pretty stunning. i'll try not to rub it in ; ) i'll save some scorched burgers for you.

s'ok-i can laugh about a rainy cloud of doom!!

[gbsuey]

I'm actually really pissed off, me and everyone I know was looking forward to this for months, it's meant to be like the start of the summer. Now nobody is going because of the fucking rain.

it feels like everything we do is at risk of being fucked up by the weather-look at glasto. have been really lucky at last two bestivals and had lush weather-fingers crossed for this year. sorry you're missing out on something you were looking forward to. i'm bored as fuck but i guess i shouldn't be such a winnet about a bit of drizzle and go out anyway-but i don't like it!!

[mikizee]

21 degrees? thats hoody weather. freezing.

[DipDipDive]

This statement isn't implying that you're the only person in the thread qualified to talk about addictive behaviour though. Right?

Uh. No.

And Padster, don't get all hyper in the diaper. You were the one who started on the train of acting as though your habits and behavior are superior and what "real men" do. Don't criticize other people's choices and then not expect them to do the same to you.

[RobMoney$]

I know someone who's an absolute genius with a guitar.
I guess I'm an authority on playing the guitar now?

[afronaut]

This bit; this is where you decided your values in terms of a good time place you in a 'better' position than Paddy, no? Honest question.
I don't know what cognitive impairment has to do with my values. Cognitive impairment is a result of substance abuse, so I'm just stating a fact. I suppose I value being able to do simple math problems when I'm 60, and Padster doesn't, and for that, I kind of think he's stupid. And the fact that he's always in such a hot shit "i'm a big man" lets get fucked type of way, I don't see why I can't belittle him. It is the internet after all, right? You tell me, how many pricks are pricks just to be pricks on this message board alone? If padster, or anyone else, is upset by the fact that I call him out on his immature and laughable behavior, I suggest they go cry about it.

And yeah, I bet Padster is "taking the piss," but at the same time, I don't really think he is. Is that his schtick or something? Act like getting fucked up is the ultimate goal in life, bask in hedonism, and then by like "lol joking?" No, even if he is, that says something about his personal life. I joke a lot about marijuana and hallucinogen related things, because frankly, marijuana is my vice, and hallucinogens are one of my interests.

Honestly, I don't care what the hell people do. You want to get fucked up on alcohol every weekend? I think it's a waste, but if thats what you enjoy doing, be my guest; just don't hurt anyone else. You like doing coke? Well, you're obviously a fucking idiot, but go ahead, I won't stop you. Have fun with where that gets you in life. Your attitude is "lets do anything to get fucked up yeah wooo!!"? well then I'm going to call you an idiot. Boo hoo.


Internet.

[checkyourprez]

^ I think its a little funny you talk about being able to do math and cognitive reasoning when marijuana is proven to affect the memory.

I'm all for the green, just saying.

[afronaut]

Thats not the point. The point is, I'm responsible with my drug intake, aware of all the effects, and I don't overdo it. I know the possible effects of what I do, and thats why I don't and can't support getting "fucked up" as any kind of semi-regular part of my lifestyle. Marijuana abuse isn't any better than alcohol abuse.

My problem isn't about what you do. Honest to god, I won't look down at you at all if you enjoy getting smashed. My problem is with mentality. I don't look down on addicts, the life of an addict is a hell in itself. I take pity and understand that they're hardly in control of their lives anymore. But, if you have the wrong mentality, and you bask in your fucked-upedness, you deserve all the shit that comes with chemical dependence.

[taquitos]

you guys, i am so wasted right now.

MEMORIAL DAY '08 4EVER WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[DipDipDive]

I know someone who's an absolute genius with a guitar.
I guess I'm an authority on playing the guitar now?

No, you're not. But having a father in NA for most of your childhood and seeing him struggle with drug addiction might make you a little familiar with the behavior of an addict. I'm just stating that for the record since what I believe you were trying to do with your example was try to undermine me, even though your illustration makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with anything.

[-T-]

Lets honor men and women who have died in our military service by getting wasted....

[funk63]

did you mean alcohol is the shit

[Lex Diamonds]

DDD and afronaut both need colonic irrigations.

[RobMoney$]

No, you're not. But having a father in NA for most of your childhood and seeing him struggle with drug addiction might make you a little familiar with the behavior of an addict. I'm just stating that for the record since what I believe you were trying to do with your example was try to undermine me, even though your illustration makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with anything.


Knowing an addict doesn't make you an authority on addiction, no matter how close your relationship. That's the point I was trying to make.
I'm sorry if that offends you but that's how I see it. I'm not trying to offend you by saying that.

And yes, I'm a friend of Bill W.

[russhie]

Yaaaaay debate!

I like alcohol, and I also like the occasional line or a smoke. I think if you do one, you can't really look down your nose at the other - they're all drugs which can lead to addiction and dependance and whatnot so nobody is better for one or the other. I don't care how you look at it.

When I drink, I usually do so to the point of putting myself at a moderate level of risk. Same with drugs. It's a normal part of my week. I don't think about the long term effect on my body because I'm supposed to be young, reckless and irresponsible - I'm happy to spend a portion of my week paying for the sins of the night before. The only thing that concerns me currently about my binge drinking is that it's making me fat. If that makes me shallow I don't care.

[Lex Diamonds]

Swig up on a 40
cuz I'm feelin' thirsty
Momma said she taught me
better so she cursed me

[Planetary]

DDD and Afronaut, you two have clearly had bad experiences linked with cocaine and alcohol but that doesn't really justify you shitting on and judging everyone else who wants to do it. If you cared that much about the bad effects of drugs and alcohol you'd probably be trying to help people instead of calling them retarded and saying they're destined for rehab.

You should just both get down off your high horses.

[DipDipDive]

If you cared that much about the bad effects of drugs and alcohol you'd probably be trying to help people instead of calling them retarded and saying they're destined for rehab.

And if you cared that much about the negative experiences I've had, you would've asked me if I've done this before for my friends or loved ones. But you didn't, so I'll let you know now that I have. This statement makes you just as guilty of passing the same kind of judgement that you assume I have.

And I didn't call all addicts retarded, I called The Padster retarded. I would think he was a retard whether he was a cokehead or not.

Did any of you people assuming that I think I know it all actually read what I posted? I'm not riding a high horse, or think I'm an authority, or think I'm an expert on anything, and I don't think afronaut is guilty of that either. Perhaps our general disklike for The Padster leaked too far into the relevant points we were trying to make.

God forbid someone side with sobriety. Christ almighty.

[abbott]

Alcohol does cause more trouble than weed for me. After drinking several beers, I decided to buy some domain names, one of which was www.ismokemarijuan.com (http://www.ismokemarijuan.com/) I was thinking of doing something with it, but Fuck, I have to work on some fishing videos first.

Also, weed gives us a good black market so people can make money without paying taxes and support other various unfavorable things. Plus, I am sure most meth or chemical substance users, get them from a supplier while looking for weed. I felt there was something to prove about marijuana, so I smoked fat joints before two of my biggest meetings and I nailed them both, once landing a job with the congressional chair of the intelligence committee in DC. The other one I do not want to talk about yet, but it was even better. I was laughing about it this morning. Smoke em if you get em. I wish I had a joint, so I could get high...

[cookiepuss]

It basically turns him into a raving, naked, possessed asshole.


oh. I dated THAT guy in college. One night I went to pick him up from some bar and he was sitting int he passenger seat. he started taking all his clothes off. then he rolled down the window and climbed out on to the windsheild wearing only his socks, while I was doing about 65 on a single lane highway. I considered slamming on the breaks cause it would have served his drunk ass right...but I just started screaming like some chick. heh. oh wait, I am some chick. anyway, he eventually got back int he car.

he was such a fucker.

er...I'm not sure what's being so hotly debated here. Some people shouldn't drink. they just shouldn't. Others can handle it. isn't that the bottom line?

[RobMoney$]

oh. I dated THAT guy in college. One night I went to pick him up from some bar and he was sitting int he passenger seat. he started taking all his clothes off. then he rolled down the window and climbed out on to the windsheild wearing only his socks, while I was doing about 65 on a single lane highway. I considered slamming on the breaks cause it would have served his drunk ass right...but I just started screaming like some chick. heh. oh wait, I am some chick. anyway, he eventually got back int he car.


The funny thing about addiction and recovery is that the problem usually isn't the physical or mental addiction to the drug of choice. It's almost always a deeper issue that leads addicts to self-medicate.
It's an attention thing, or negative attention, but attention none the less.

Childhood trauma, Fucked up parents that never paid attention to you, Inferiority Complex of some sort, ...ect.
All they're really looking for is someone to pay attention to them for a minute or two.

[afronaut]

DDD and Afronaut, you two have clearly had bad experiences linked with cocaine and alcohol but that doesn't really justify you shitting on and judging everyone else who wants to do it. If you cared that much about the bad effects of drugs and alcohol you'd probably be trying to help people instead of calling them retarded and saying they're destined for rehab.

You should just both get down off your high horses.

I'm not shitting on people who do stuff. In fact, I've said that many times in this thread. Let me say it again, so maybe someone will finally get it: I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY. I do care about people who are stupid about drugs, because stupid people who do drugs don't just affect themselves, they can and most likely will affect people close to them, the reputations of responsible drug users, and even society, in one way or another.

I don't help people who deserve the affects of what they do to themselves. They are doing it to themselves, and if they are too ignorant to care what they do to themselves, then oh well, they need to learn the hard way. I will help people who are too ignorant to know or understand the effects of what they do, but I will not help a person who is too ignorant to care. And anyway, what the hell kind of help can I actually offer to someone over the internet? For one, giving Padster shit is the best I could possibly do to make him realize his problems, and for two, I don't really care. It's his life, he can do whatever he wants to himself. And I can give him shit about it, because the bbmb is my sanctuary to be a bitter asshole.

And I will not get off my high horse, for it is very comfortable.

[afronaut]

The funny thing about addiction and recovery is that the problem usually isn't the physical or mental addiction to the drug of choice. It's almost always a deeper issue that leads addicts to self-medicate.
It's an attention thing, or negative attention, but attention none the less.

Childhood trauma, Fucked up parents that never paid attention to you, Inferiority Complex of some sort, ...ect.
All they're really looking for is someone to pay attention to them for a minute or two.
This is true, but also realize that the destructive behavior is what leads one to the drugs, and the drugs do have an effect of their own as well.

The most infuriating thing about my friend the other night is that I know it's basically just him acting out - a huge, ridiculous cry for attention. If he didn't do such a good job kicking his own ass, I'd be tempted to kick it for him.

[na§tee]

After drinking several beers, I decided to buy some domain names, one of which was www.ismokemarijuan.com (http://www.ismokemarijuan.com/) I was thinking of doing something with it, but Fuck, I have to work on some fishing videos first.
ahahahaha! classic. getting pissed and buying domain names.. i should try that some time.

i'm giving up alcohol for a couple of months, i think. i need to save some money, and i'm not enjoying it as much as i used to. plus cider packs in the calories something stupid.

[Planetary]

God forbid someone side with sobriety. Christ almighty.

I have no problem with that. But a lot of the things you said in this thread clearly stemmed from your personal dislikes of people and weren't really called for.

[Lex Diamonds]

And I didn't call all addicts retarded, I called The Padster retarded. I would think he was a retard whether he was a cokehead or not.
It's telling that your idea of a retard would be more intelligent and open-minded than you.

[cookiepuss]

The funny thing about addiction and recovery is that the problem usually isn't the physical or mental addiction to the drug of choice. It's almost always a deeper issue that leads addicts to self-medicate.
It's an attention thing, or negative attention, but attention none the less.

Childhood trauma, Fucked up parents that never paid attention to you, Inferiority Complex of some sort, ...ect.
All they're really looking for is someone to pay attention to them for a minute or two.

well...in this case that's about on target. He told me he had been molested as a child. So his alcoholism was self-medication. He was also promiscuious to the point of possible sex addiction.

really he needed help. Help I couldn't give. It was good that I got out of that "relationship" when I did.

[Lex Diamonds]

Thanks C. <3

[afronaut]

Oh, he's 19? Well that explains it, then.

Fucking 19 year olds.

[Lex Diamonds]

Explains what? That you're a self-important dick who tries to force his own sheltered views on other people?

[NoFenders]

The point is, I'm responsible with my drug intake, aware of all the effects, and I don't overdo it. I know the possible effects of what I do, and thats why I don't and can't support getting "fucked up" as any kind of semi-regular part of my lifestyle. Marijuana abuse isn't any better than alcohol abuse.

My problem isn't about what you do. Honest to god, I won't look down at you at all if you enjoy getting smashed. My problem is with mentality. I don't look down on addicts, the life of an addict is a hell in itself. I take pity and understand that they're hardly in control of their lives anymore. But, if you have the wrong mentality, and you bask in your fucked-upedness, you deserve all the shit that comes with chemical dependence.


Does that mean getting slammed by afronaut?? You have no pitty for addicts, so don't pretend that you do. You laugh at them and pretend you're on a higher scale because you can "control" your demons. It's bullshit.You're actually no different. You smoke dope and use hallucinogetics. You're a drug adict yourself in more ways than one. Don't hate just because you do something less than another.

:cool:

[NoFenders]

And btw~ I love alcohol and everything involved with it.

You are the only problem you will ever have, and baby, you are the only solution.

:cool:

[Bob]

Oh, he's 19? Well that explains it, then.

Fucking 19 year olds.

i dunno if you were serious or not, but i don't think that's fair, padster's pretty on the ball

[afronaut]

Actually, I think my point was, why is age an excuse?

And like I really give a shit whether or not the pad gets fucked up on coke, crack, meth, or what the hell ever. It's his body, he can do what he wants.

But god forbid I call Padster's attitude "stupid," lest he get his panties in a knot and it turns into a big thing. I mean, we can all shit on people who listen to bad music in the music forum, but god forbid we do the same to people who seem to glorify excessive drug consumption, right? Thats off limits.

If I upset you that much Padster, go do some coke, I'm sure you'll feel better.

You see, that was a joke. I don't actually mean it. No need to further your already massive pantie wedgie.

PS - Nofenders, I pity addicts. But for the sake of argument, why should I, when we all have such a thing called "personal responsibility?"

[Lex Diamonds]

I think addicts probably pity you more. They can clean themselves up, whereas you'll always be a gigantic tool.

[afronaut]

I think addicts probably pity you more. They can clean themselves up, whereas you'll always be a gigantic tool.
Be that as it may, you'll always be British.

Booyah, ya chav!

[Lex Diamonds]

Don't try and turn this into an issue of nationality, everyone knows America's not winning THAT argument.

Truth be told, I know it's possible to overindulge. Spending 5 hours of Saturday morning at a hospital helped drum that one into me. But I also think it is down to the individual and not some smarmy net dork to decide where their boundaries lie. And personally, my limits are pretty far out, so fuck you and your 1950s views in your tight conservative asses.

I'ma go score some crack.

[Lyman Zerga]

sounds to me like all of you are addicts so fucking "deal" with it.