dissapointed in the boys

[dansemy]

Just saw the preview for Hancock with Will Smith. Apparently, the boys sold them the use of "Sabotage" for the movie. First time in years that they've sold a song for an advertisement like that and I know they don't need the money. Never thought I'd see the day. Discuss...

[pip07]

I'm fucking outraged. First Guitar Hero, then Rock Band...and now this? This is fucking unacceptable. I think I regret ever buying any one of their cds (n)

[Laver1969]

Their music has been in quite a few movies. No biggie...

[pm0ney]

Oh, boo hoo. Who are they to make money off the music they've written. What a bunch of terrible, awful human beings.

[Weezman]

Well the Sports stadiums across the nation, have a great admiration in selecting Beastie tracks to play during games, and in between innings; quarters,ect... That's great...keeps sports fans hyped....it's American.

ROck StaR was a great thing for me....shit, i get to sing SABOTAGE while my kids ROCK out!! I dont come close to ADrocks vocals...but as a fan i really fuckn appreciate the fact that with a mouth full of Miller ...i am AdROCK!! :p

"Transitions" was in a Nick Cage movie too....does any one remember that one....i beleive i started a thread on that some time ago...BLAH!

Hancock ....now that is rather a shock...but so is seeing a

{7}{7}{7} on your slot machine!!! CHA-CHING!!! $$$

Nah, but seriously, why not...no harm. SABOTAGE is one of their mainstream anyway.....

But i'm out, and i'm gone
I'll tell you now i keep it on and on
'cause what you see you might not get
And we can't bet so don't you get souped yet
You're schmeing on a thing that's a mirage
I'm trying to tell you now it's sabotage :cool:

[KENNY GUIDO]

people change...........

as long as I dont hear thier songs endorsing commercial items!

[funk63]

im dissapointed in this thread.

[camo]

It's not as if they are endorsing cigarettes or crack or something.

I've always hoped that they would license a track to rockstar for a GTA. Especially after Yauch showed his love for xbox live and they cameo'd in NBA Street

Besides, anything that has the BeastieBoys in it - be it a track, cameo or name drop is officially reconised as being 26.7% cooler. Thats an official statistic so don't front on it.

[dansemy]

The point is it's in the ad for the movie, not just in the movie. I've got no problem with selling the music for Rock Band or stadium airplay or even to be in a movie but they haven't sold a song for an advertisement ever before and even sued British Airways back in 85 for using one of their songs in an ad. Between them and Neil Young, they were just about the only band with integrity that hadn't crossed that line. And now they have. And that disappoints me. I'm still a fan, just a little bummed out that they made that decision. Hearing The Clash used to sell cars should have desensitized me but it hasn't.

Like I said, they have a right to cash in, but selling songs for ads is different than just selling songs. Kids gotta go to private school I guess...

Oh and Kenny, a movie is a "commercial item."

[Kid Presentable]

If I were you I'd look in the mirror and be disappointed in myself for being such a fucking numpty. British Airways and a movie promo are pretty different. British Airways first of all used the song without permission. Second, once the film-makers have the right to use Sabotage, aren't they free to do with it as they please? The Beastie Boys haven't used the song in the ad, the film-makers have.

They always say the worst thing about a band is the fans......

[Laver1969]

The point is it's in the ad for the movie, not just in the movie. I've got no problem with selling the music for Rock Band or stadium airplay or even to be in a movie but they haven't sold a song for an advertisement ever before and even sued British Airways back in 85 for using one of their songs in an ad. Between them and Neil Young, they were just about the only band with integrity that hadn't crossed that line. And now they have. And that disappoints me. I'm still a fan, just a little bummed out that they made that decision. Hearing The Clash used to sell cars should have desensitized me but it hasn't.

Like I said, they have a right to cash in, but selling songs for ads is different than just selling songs. Kids gotta go to private school I guess...

Oh and Kenny, a movie is a "commercial item."

Hmmm....if you give permission/sell your music to be played in a movie, doesn't the movie then have the right to use the song to promote/advertise the movie. Maybe I'm splitting hairs...but wouldn't all the songs used in a movie be likely candidates when choosing what music would go in the movie trailer?

[dansemy]

Typical. A true fan registers disappointment and the "Beastie Bots" come out of the woodwork to defend anything they do as beyond reproach. Reminds me of the Bush administration.

The truth is, I bet there was considerable discussion among the band members as to whether this was a good idea or not. Money isn't everything and integrity counts in my world. Like I said, I'm still a fan and I will be for life, but this decision let me down. I took pride in their refusal to cash in, and now I take less. Take it for what it's worth Mr. 11,000 plus posts.

Oh and as far as the trailer is concerned, all that stuff is worked out in the contract when the song is purchased. They only have the rights to use it as the Beasties have deemed fit and for it to be used in the ad, they have to approve. That's how it works folks. They sold the song for the movie and the trailer (which is an ad).

[Kid Presentable]

Your faux-indignation is laughable to me. Next thing you'll be mad that they got married because somehow that's objectifying women.

I think the 'integrity' you speak of pertains to selling their songs specifically to achieve advertising objectives like Zeppelin selling Rock and Roll to promote cars. It's pretty different in this case, because the song is on the soundtrack, and is fair game.

I hope you don't light your face on fire the next time you see an advertisement for a Beastie Boys album, because whoa you are a true fan. Reminds me of telling my 3 year old niece why we say "please" and "thank you".

[na§tee]

WHAAAAAT?!!!! (multiple exclamation marks) this is BULLSHIT! they are dead to me! dead, you hear me, DEAD! /spits.

/cancels membership.

[AceFace]

Typical. A true fan registers disappointment and the "Beastie Bots" come out of the woodwork to defend anything they do as beyond reproach. Reminds me of the Bush administration.



that's a little strong, i'd say, for people who are just giving their opinions as well.

[Kid Presentable]

Why bother taking pride in their choices anyway? That type of celebrity worship is borne from the same society that "cashes-in", and is pretty pointless. Just do you.

[YoungRemy]

nobody fucking cares that Sabotage is in the trailer for a movie...

[dansemy]

Why bother taking pride in their choices anyway? That type of celebrity worship is borne from the same society that "cashes-in", and is pretty pointless. Just do you.

says the dude with almost 12 thousand posts on a fan site...

The bottom line is that they sold a song for an ad which they've never done before. I don't have to like it and I don't. Carry on with your sweat-fest...

[YoungRemy]

no.

it's not the bottom line.

their songs have been featured in soundtracks before, their songs will be featured in soundtracks in the future.

they probably have been featured in trailers in the past, you just haven't come in here and whined about it.

there is probably some connection somewhere, whether it be with the Producer, Director, etc...

heck, maybe Mike D and Will Smith get together and have playdates with their kids.

somebody somewhere had to ask permission and the Beastie Boys gave their blessing.

who knows and who cares?

[alikat]

"Transitions" was in a Nick Cage movie too....does any one remember that one....i beleive i started a thread on that some time ago...BLAH!


yes, the use of the transitions in weather man was awesome. (y)

and yeah people, sometimes licensing deals will be for cool stuff like that, and sometime they'll be for mega-dollar action flicks and their trailers. oh well! we all know licensing is how artists make money, especially these days. and so it can't always be for the type of project that comic book guy would condone. these are the breaks.

if anything, i'm scratching my head that the people on a will smith campaign can't come up with a less played-to-death-in-the-media song. but hey, more power to the band for making dollars, they earned it. i'm not being a militant "beastie bot" (great word though), i'm just like who cares! it's an action movie. those are fun.

when the chinese government uses sabotage as hu jintao's entrance music at the bejing games, we'll talk.

[beastieboysbaby]

"Transitions" was in a Nick Cage movie too....does any one remember that one....i beleive i started a thread on that some time ago...BLAH!





yeah! for weatherman!

[dansemy]

like I said Remy, soundtrack is fine - Ad for the movie, not so much. There's a big difference to some people. Including the Beastie Boys up until this point I might add. Don't you wonder why they never allowed it until now?

Perhaps I come from a generation that still cares about this sort of thing or maybe I've been listening to a little too much Bill Hicks. Either way, like I said, I registered my opinion, y'all did too. Now let's get back to our usual routine of speculating on future sightings of Mike D.'s wife and kids in the tabloids...

Sorry I got all your panties in a bunch. Continue with the mindless worship. I didn't mean to ruin your wet dreams. I thought I was simply pointing out a relevant change in B-Boy policy. If it doesn't matter to you, just let this thread...

watch the finger...

mmmmmmmmm.... DROP.

[YoungRemy]

dan, you asked us to discuss, and it sounds like no one cares. I think you are going way off accusing everyone of being like Bush supporters and calling out everyone that disagrees with you as "Beastie-Bots" and obsessing over the tabloid worshippers.

most people in this thread who disagree with you are the same ones that get annoyed with the "fangirl" worship you mention.

it's just not that big of a deal to some people. it's no big surprise , either. as mentioned, the Beastie Boys Library of songs has been used in video games, TV Spots, and plenty of other promotions.


it just doesn't seem like a huge change of philosophy, for a band to use a song in a film, and the trailer for said film using the song for promotion.

they gave their song to Hancock, and Hancock is using it in their promotions.

sorry for acting like a dick, you seem to care about the integrity of the artists and I seem to remember meeting you at the HIRO show.

just don't lambast everyone for having a different opinion than you

[Laver1969]

I do think Bush was behind this...forcing the Beasties to sell out. It's a conspiracy.

Actually, it was much more heated when the Beasties did the private gig for an ad agency in Washington (or was it Oregon) a year or so ago...and they did that sneaker sponsored show in Cali?

[dansemy]

Point taken. Sorry if I was a bit harsh. Like I said, I'll be a fan for life. I grew up with this music and it means alot to me.

I figured it was relevant seeing as it's the first time I've heard their song in an advertisement and it seemed a bit jarring. Both my wife and I were both like, "Huh?" I remember them saying that you'll never hear their songs in an ad, and it meant something to me.

Whether it means anything to you or not, peace to you all...

[pip07]

I'M STILL FUCKING OUTRAGED :mad:

[alikat]

Sorry I got all your panties in a bunch. Continue with the mindless worship. I didn't mean to ruin your wet dreams.

dang.

people who mix apologies with misguided insults bug me much more than artists who make a buck in the real world.

and my wet dreams are still in tact, thanks very much. ;)

[Kid Presentable]

Mindless worship = living by Bill Hicks philosophies.

The heat for that advertising agency show really just came from one person who expects to be told of everything the band does, so they can lead the fans accordingly.

[pm0ney]

Typical. A true fan registers disappointment and the "Beastie Bots" come out of the woodwork to defend anything they do as beyond reproach. Reminds me of the Bush administration.

The truth is, I bet there was considerable discussion among the band members as to whether this was a good idea or not. Money isn't everything and integrity counts in my world. Like I said, I'm still a fan and I will be for life, but this decision let me down. I took pride in their refusal to cash in, and now I take less. Take it for what it's worth Mr. 11,000 plus posts.

Oh and as far as the trailer is concerned, all that stuff is worked out in the contract when the song is purchased. They only have the rights to use it as the Beasties have deemed fit and for it to be used in the ad, they have to approve. That's how it works folks. They sold the song for the movie and the trailer (which is an ad).

Ugh. So, hes a true fan because he doesnt like to hear Beastie Boys songs in movie advertisements...And yet, the people who dont give a shit are "Beastie Bots"...Hmmm...Interesting logic there. It's called opinions bro. And their like assholes, everyone has one. Including you, me, the bots, the true fans and everything in between. And you know what? None of them are more important than any others.

[taquitos]

!!! (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g15/lawrence79/nooooo.jpg)

[TAFKASB]

I understand the point at being pissed off about it being used to promo a movie, and yes BB would be fully aware that is was not only just going to be in the movie but to promote it as well...but have you stopped to think that the guys may well be big fans of Will Smiths movies? maybe they are maybe there not...but if you were in there position and you liked the work of another artist, whether they mere musicians or actors would you strongly object and not allow them to use any of your work? Using a song to promo a movie and using a song to sell goods like clothing and food are totally different, yes a promo is to sell the movie, but there are many different facets of selling.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

No joke. Its the Fresh Prince and JL Lassiter. How can you refuse?

[dave790]

they should get their music into pampers

[ms.peachy]

I should drop in over here more often. V entertaining. (y)

[roosta]

that Hancock film looks pretty good...

[mcamuto]

The beasties boys do have the right, if they want, to have their music in a movie and being in a promo is *very* different then pushing a product. Music and movies are both cultural contexts. The beasties have built their entire career on using cultural references and also sampling which is using another's work in your piece of work. Movies need sound tracks and sometimes movies
have great sound tracks and sometimes they don't but they still have sound tracks. I highly doubt that many people are going to go to the movie just because sabotage is used in it. Its not like they are using shake your rump to push pampers!

There always is a double standard with many hard core fans and usually its a lose-lose situation. For example if the beasties scored the sound track for an environmental film and they saw the ad on discovery channel a lot of people would say 'they are so compassionate, they rock' but if its a will smith or any block buster movie is like selling out. There are also people that will complain because their song is used in a video game. But then on the other hand people will bitch if the video game comes out with all crappy tunes. While others love it... You can never win.

Ultimately they are entertainers who have used other elements in their works
and now their element is being used by another group of entertainers. Hell they have straight up ripped off complete album cover concepts in some peoples eyes! They are very selective of where their music is used and who knows maybe one day mike d was like 'yo will called me and wants to use sabotage in his movie!' Without knowing the context of the deal (do they even have 100% publishing rights and decision?!?!) and their thoughts its all just speculation.

Thats my opinion and others can disagree. What is not cool is when somebody disses others as not being a true fan because they do not share the same view. That is fan-boyism and narrow mindedness at its truest. Then again on the other hand you can be a fan-boy if your group never does wrong in your eyes. So its a balancing act but dissing others for their views is just not cool. All 20 or whatever people who check this board out (of millions of fans) should not diss on each other, no matter if they have 1 or 100000 posts.

[Nicodemus]

Mullethead was on the 'Clueless' soundtrack.

[YoungRemy]

Mullethead was on the 'Clueless' soundtrack.


I just watched the trailer, there's a plug at the end "featuring new music from"

followed by about twelve Capitol Records Artists (including Beastie Boys) and the Capitol logo.


oh, the travesty

[alikat]

It's not like they are using shake your rump to push pampers!

Well sometimes i go potty at the drop of a hat,
and my poopy weighs much more than an aluminum bat,
the other babies they be jonesin, for the pampers that i like
they be leakin out their leg holes, stayin up all night . . .

[acamus]

Sabotage was also recently used in "Chicago 10".

I don't get this whole thing. It's been a long time since Warhol and others broke down the barrier between art and commerce. If an artist likes a product whether it be Pampers or a movie or whiskey or even a car, adding their work to it is a legit endorsement. This whole "selling out" thing is quaint.

Yeah, I know the MCA line, "and you won't see me in the advertising." It does make me wonder where he draws the line, but it doesn't matter where that line is drawn. It's his to draw and move.

I suggest trashing the Adbusters subscription; it's simplistic zealotry. Seriously, what's wrong with endorsing products?

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Well sometimes i go potty at the drop of a hat,
and my poopy weighs much more than an aluminum bat,
the other babies they be jonesin, for the pampers that i like
they be leakin out their leg holes, stayin up all night . . .

Fucking heet dood.

[Nicodemus]

Honkey Rink was on the 'Schindler's List' soundtrack.

[Weezman]

"She's on it", was in Krush Groove....:eek:

[roosta]

would it be ok if the film was directed by Yauch or released by Oscilloscope Pictures?

[camo]

the BBC use all of the beasties instrumental tracks in their programmes. Not only just trailers but background music too.

[Guy Incognito]

In reading all of this thread today i have come up with the following summary points:

if they give it to the film makers then they can do what they want with it. The beasties cant object to this even if they wanted as they have given their permission.

Have you got issues with beastie boys using music in adverts for their products cos thats more or less the same thing?

They have used their name and music to sell other products they have been involved with in the past.

Who cares - its not like you are going to hear "Professor Booty" in the background of Osama's next videotape release is it?

[abbott]

I am happy people want to use the music. I love the fact that Will Smith is paying the Beastie Boys.

Let me kow how the movie is. Maybe Ill rent it someday.

[cookiepuss]

nothing is scared any more.:rolleyes: I guess this whole "sellout" thing is a big deal to some..but I don't really get it.


the beasties capitalizing on their own art is part of being in the entertainment business. it's not like they are making handbags out of puppies, ya know.

[M.C. Guevera]

The day they sell Beastie Boys condoms is the day that I'll know that they've gone too far.

"Beastie Boys condoms! With their faces on them! It's like MCA is going inside your woman's va--EWWW I GROSSED MYSELF OUT!!!

[taquitos]

i thought this thread as going to be about the poster's impotence...

needless to say i'm quite disappointed.

[sethomas]

HANCOCK. haha cock.

[Guy Incognito]

i thought this thread as going to be about the poster's impotence...

needless to say i'm quite disappointed.

you refer to your sperm as "the boys"?

[acamus]

uh ... huh huh. uh ... huh huh huh. you said cock.

[taquitos]

you refer to your sperm as "the boys"?

what is "sperm"?

[acamus]

Well sometimes i go potty at the drop of a hat,
and my poopy weighs much more than an aluminum bat,
the other babies they be jonesin, for the pampers that i like
they be leakin out their leg holes, stayin up all night . . .

Now that's some doo doo rhymin', a-kat.

[dave790]

the BBC use all of the beasties instrumental tracks in their programmes. Not only just trailers but background music too.

yeah man. they're are big on kids programmes in the morning too. whenever i skip through before school there's often some beastie boys tune playing...they take the instrumental versions of a lot of the hip hop stuff as well. incidentally with this thread, i remember sabotage being used to promote a show. it worked well from what i recall, no idea what it was though. definitely thought more about watching it though.

[pshabi]

you refer to your sperm as "the boys"?

Ummm, it's usually the testicles (the vessel that harbors the sperm) that are referred to as "the boys."

If you don't know, now ya know.

[Guy Incognito]

Ummm, it's usually the testicles (the vessel that harbors the sperm) that are referred to as "the boys."

If you don't know, now ya know.

I know what bollocks are, i just never heard that before.

[KENNY GUIDO]

The point is it's in the ad for the movie, not just in the movie. I've got no problem with selling the music for Rock Band or stadium airplay or even to be in a movie but they haven't sold a song for an advertisement ever before and even sued British Airways back in 85 for using one of their songs in an ad. Between them and Neil Young, they were just about the only band with integrity that hadn't crossed that line. And now they have. And that disappoints me. I'm still a fan, just a little bummed out that they made that decision. Hearing The Clash used to sell cars should have desensitized me but it hasn't.

Like I said, they have a right to cash in, but selling songs for ads is different than just selling songs. Kids gotta go to private school I guess...

Oh and Kenny, a movie is a "commercial item."

I am speaking of "commercial items" such as sneakers, cereal or maxi pads. A song in a film is not considered in that sense.

[KENNY GUIDO]

"She's on it", was in Krush Groove....:eek:


and so were the boys!!!



ok.....is the song actually on the soundtrack or is it merely used for the promotions of the movie? I have found that many times when a song is used to in a commercial to promote a film it usally doesnt end up in the soundtrack. so, if this is the case, its not really anyway selling out.

[Weezman]

and so were the boys!!!



.

4 a few seconds...that would have been awesom if they had a full number in the film...like the fat boys had in Sabarros..all u can eat!! LOL!!


aahh anyway. i still gotta get my hands on one of those FEVER shirts...4 realZ!!