Bad guys really do get the most girls

[yeahwho]

Because i want to talk about this i'm gonna re-post it here in the general discussion session. Is this a trend of evolution? Does the species survive by bad behaviour? Is it a manmade phenomena, can religion be wrong? Why is it that bad guys score more than good guys? According to NewScientist.com (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826614.100-bad-guys-really-do-get-the-most-girls.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news4_head_mg19826614.100) and their staff,

The traits are the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking and callous behaviour of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism. At their extreme, these traits would be highly detrimental for life in traditional human societies. People with these personalities risk being shunned by others and shut out of relationships, leaving them without a mate, hungry and vulnerable to predators.

But being just slightly evil could have an upside: a prolific sex life, says Peter Jonason at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces. "We have some evidence that the three traits are really the same thing and may represent a successful evolutionary strategy."

Thats some crazy thinking yet maybe this is the way to the promise land guys, crank up the inner bad ass a notch and get laid.

I'm impressed.

[TurdBerglar]

nah

chicks just like assholes because assholes don't let anyone walk all over them or their friends and that's very respectable.

[na§tee]

oh please, so nice guys just let everyone take advantage of them?

[TurdBerglar]

didn't say that

[na§tee]

fair enough, sorry.

out of those traits (self-obsession, impulsivity, thrill-seeking, callousness, deceitfulness and exploitation) i would only include impulsivity and thrill-seeking as a potential positive.

evolutionary psychology has more than its fair share of bullshit. it's highlighted by certain researchers (only two studies in this article - it's hardly scripture) to justify many facets of human behaviour. it's the 'easy', superficial psychology route. how is this behaviour 'adaptive'? what did early man gain from choosing to be with a grunt like this piece of news describes?

i'd be weary of anything that tries to base its conclusions on evolutionary psychology. i'm probably biased though. i had to spend many fucking hours coding singles ads in newspapers at university to study human attraction for a lecturer who wanted to prove women desired tall, strong (=virile!) men and men desiring curvy (=fertile!), young (=fertile!) women.

most of all, i think that men get a really fucking bad press with evolutionary theories like this. they're not all deceitful jackasses seeking this sort of transient high because they're always on the go and, oh "hunters" since the dawn of time. yeah, maybe certain aspects are minutely ingrained in genes but it's not as if the modern man has no free will.

[yeahwho]

nah

chicks just like assholes because assholes don't let anyone walk all over them or their friends and that's very respectable.
That was what I thought when I first read this too, protection and security trump brains and kindness. Problem is most fuck ups can't keep a good job, or barely cling on.

[TurdBerglar]

being an asshole can get you farther in life. taking advantage of others is good for the individual doing the taking. assholes still make friends that they respect and don't treat like shit. and everybody does things for their friends and since assholes have a bit of an advantage it's good to be friends with them but only if they truley respect you(which is hard to get from an asshole). and that's what i think females want. they want the acceptance and respect of someone that can get shit done. it's also seems as an accomplishment to get someone that doesn't repsect many to respect you. just a lot of times they ended up getting used themselves because they can't distinguish between true respect and someone just playing nice to get their way.

[adam_f]

This girl I grew up with, one of my best friends, started dating this asshole we went to high school with who even after two assault charges filed against him from his brother, she continues to defend him because "I just feel safe with him."

If his fucking brother filed charges against him for beating the shit out of him, somethings wrong. My brother kicked my fucking ass when I was a kid and I never once thought of having him arrested, even when he broke my nose. His brother is a good guy too.

I'm not really friends with her anymore because he doesn't like her hanging out with guys, even if we shared a swingset together as kids. Whatever.

[mathcart]

nah

chicks just like assholes because assholes don't let anyone walk all over them or their friends and that's very respectable.

oh please, so nice guys just let everyone take advantage of them?

didn't say that

fair enough, sorry.

You let him off WAY to easy- he DID strongly imply that by his statements- even if he didn't explicitly state it. Turd aren't you studying to be a lawyer?:

If chicks like assholes who are respectable because they don't let anyone walk all over them or their friends
Then chicks don't like non-asshole who are not respectable because they let anyone walk all over them and their friends.
(If A is True than notA must be False- a VERY common tactic in court room logic- no?)

Just saying.

As for ascribing any sort of moral value to the thread topic in question- seems to me to be an issue of moments of personal decisions as to how a person is living their life on the selfish to selfless axis- which clearly changes over everyones life, much less smaller blocks of it. I guess I'm just saying it seems a little meaningless to me to say some one is an asshole. (However it is never in doubt when most people are acting like ENORMOUS assholes!)

[TurdBerglar]

im very direct. i don't imply.

[mathcart]

and yet... you did
:)

[TurdBerglar]

nope

[na§tee]

You let him off WAY to easy- he DID strongly imply that by his statements- even if he didn't explicitly state it. Turd aren't you studying to be a lawyer?:

im very direct. i don't imply.
so wait - you don't imply so.. you were suggesting that nice guys let people take advantage of them? or no?

er.. are you in are law school? i didn't think you were. not that that matters.

[TurdBerglar]

i never even mentioned anything about nice guys


jesus christ!

[yeahwho]

Sometimes rebellious behavior is not necessarily bad behavior, sometimes it's just big balls standing up to what could be a societal wrong, being bad or perceived bad may be actually a good thing, many rules/laws are truly encroaching on personal freedoms and they should be ignored and challenged.

Rude behavior is just that, rude, and some people are extremely rude.

But moral responsibility has in the past many times been treated as bad behavior. Such as race, womans rights and civil dis-obedience.

I guess defining bad vs. moral should be the question and maybe it's the latter which is evolving.

I'm never gonna get laid am I?

[jabumbo]

i think its just that a "bad guy" is generally more outgoing and will go out looking for any girl while a "nice guy" who is going out will search for a girl more specific to his desires and not jump on anything too soon.

[adam_f]

You're a wise man, Pete.

[Miho]

Getting laid is an obsession, it seems. I'd say keep your mind occupied elsewhere- be it hobbies, school, family, whatever and don't worry about getting laid every minute. Both men and women are complex genders that I don't care to dissect mentally.

I'm still of the opinion that if you have to slightly change your attitude, such as being rude and inconsiderate, to get women to notice you, then that is warped. I'll keep my dignity, thanks.

[Dorothy Wood]

as a girl who admittedly likes "bad guys", I think a lot of the appeal lies in the whole, "he hates everyone but me" thing. it means you're somehow special and accepted and better than other people. human beings like to find any kind of reason to feel better than other human beings. even in subtle ways, the most enlightened person will relish in putting someone else or someone else's ideas down.

I think basically that assholes have self-confidence, they seem in control. they say and do what they want without regard to other people's feelings, and I think secretly some people wish they could be like that so they subconsciously or consciously are attracted to that assertiveness.

that attraction's kind of a sign of immaturity, though, I would guess. I'm also guessing that girls with lower self-esteem are more likely to have casual sex, and more likely to be attracted to men with apparent self-confidence. hence the larger number of partners.


I don't know, I would consider myself kind of an asshole and when I get together with certain friends who are also assholes we can get pretty jerky like making fun of people or playing tricks on people, pranks, etc. it's mostly for laughs though. as a woman, I don't think it makes me attractive sexually, but it's certainly gotten me a lot of male friends.

[funk63]

guys like to give it and girls like to get it, thats all it is.

[yeahwho]

I don't know, I would consider myself kind of an asshole and when I get together with certain friends who are also assholes we can get pretty jerky like making fun of people or playing tricks on people, pranks, etc. it's mostly for laughs though. as a woman, I don't think it makes me attractive sexually, but it's certainly gotten me a lot of male friends.

I think you've hit it, it takes two to accept bad behavior, whenever a girl comes up to me and says something smart ass about somebody we both have been watching for awhile my inner beavis and butthead comes out and it's off to the races with a non-stop barrage of one liners, nobody's safe and we're now a team given to insults and laughter at others expense. That makes room for some pretty open conversation and quick bonding. It may lead nowhere right away but I'm pretty immature and can go from normal to smart ass in a NY second. It's fun as all hell. Raising the stakes to a hot and torrid affair.

Bad guys rule.

I also know a true badass, he's the toughest dude I've ever met (teaches martial arts/boxing) and he's also the most likely to get to within an inch of a fight, usually the fight never happens once the opponent gets close enough to realize how big, lean and mean my friend really is survival instinct kicks in. Around us we can flip him shit and he doesn't get torqued, unless we dress him down in front of girl he's never met. He's married (2nd time) and has two boys who are badasses themselves, fast cars, even faster motorcycles and lots of leather, chicks seem to just surround them, so I hangout sometimes just to see if any of them are looking for a dork like me.

[mikizee]

Of course girls like the bad boys, i don't even know why this is being debated.

I'm unfortunately not a bad ass. At all.

Thats the worst compliment i get, 'your so nice!! and cute!!'

Nice doesn't get me laid. Neither does cute.

[jabumbo]

^ i hear that, man

[Pres Zount]

I wouldn't really worry if I couldn't attract women who like bad guys. I think I am a nice guy (in general) and I only want to attract nice women. I don't want the kind of woman that finds a bad guy attractive. No offence to anyone that finds bad guys attractive; it's just that I don't want you! :)

As far as evolution goes, I'm pretty sure liking bad behavior is a social evolution, rather than a physical one. They didn't even have motorcycles in the 17th Century, let alone pre-history.

[checkyourprez]

woman like to feel safe. they feel a bad ass dude will be able to protect them. simple as that.

[Dorothy Wood]

woman like to feel safe. they feel a bad ass dude will be able to protect them. simple as that.


so you're a woman then?

It's really not as simple as that. plenty of women who go for bad guys enjoy the danger of it, the unpredictability. at a certain point you grow up though, and realize that those kinds of men aren't worth it. doesn't mean they don't continue to be sexy though.

I dunno, maybe I just like sarcastic people, maybe they aren't really assholes. the other day, my friend and I tricked a whole room full of people into thinking I was drinking a mug of hot chocolate on a hot summer night. but it was ice water! ha ha! joke's on you! suckers!

lying about stupid things is pretty funny. not sure if it's assholey though. maybe a little.

[checkyourprez]

^no.