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afronaut
06-23-2008, 10:33 AM
Not to go all RobMoney on everyone or anything. We all know I've officially endorsed Barack Obama. It's what won him the nomination. But this video is a little bit disturbing.

Actually, I take it back, I'm not going all RobMoney, because this is something actually worth talking about. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU

I don't tend to trust videos that are less than a minute long, and perhaps this is just another case of something being taken completely out of context. I don't understand why Obama would go all neo-con on us when the vast majority of Americans want to hear him say the opposite. Shit, thats where a lot of his support originally came from.

afronaut
06-23-2008, 10:41 AM
Update: apparently the video is from 2004 when he was running for the senate.

ms.peachy
06-23-2008, 11:24 AM
I don't really have a problem with anything he said there, given that it's from 2004. At that time my own thoughts were quite similar - I was against the war (still am) and thought we should not have gone in, but that notwithstanding, it happened, and so then there was a responsibility to not actually leave things worse than we found them, basically. Unfortunately because the current administration had no flippin' exit strategy other than to give all of their friends big contracts for the rebuilding work and lived in some great fantasy world wherein the US troops would all march around being hailed as liberators with an appropriately grateful citizenry lining their path with rose petals, this is exceedingly and increasingly difficult, and there will have to come a point where we have to staunch the bleeding from this great huge embarrassing hemorrhage.

mathcart
06-23-2008, 05:26 PM
I don't really have a problem with anything he said there, given that it's from 2004. At that time my own thoughts were quite similar - I was against the war (still am) and thought we should not have gone in, but that notwithstanding, it happened, and so then there was a responsibility to not actually leave things worse than we found them, basically. Unfortunately because the current administration had no flippin' exit strategy other than to give all of their friends big contracts for the rebuilding work and lived in some great fantasy world wherein the US troops would all march around being hailed as liberators with an appropriately grateful citizenry lining their path with rose petals, this is exceedingly and increasingly difficult, and there will have to come a point where we have to staunch the bleeding from this great huge embarrassing hemorrhage.

This line of thought I find troubling- I remember thinking this around then- but the more information that came out about the mishandling of the war- all the haliburton nuttiness, the waring fractionalization of the new nation, and the fragile "peace" that we are holding by literally paying our biggest enemies to be our friends- I just don't see this a logical statement anymore. It is literally impossible to NOT leave things worse then we found things. Saddam was a horrible dictator- but he ruled over a stable country (by force and oppression) The way to make the region "better" than it is now is to leave immediately, and even that will not be pretty- things are gonna be fucked there- but we are the biggest reason that the next generation of Iraqis will face what they face. Its time to leave and help them rebuild their country on their own.

funk63
06-23-2008, 06:37 PM
Update: apparently the video is from 2004 when he was running for the senate.

dude what the hells with your signature?

ms.peachy
06-24-2008, 01:03 AM
This line of thought I find troubling- I remember thinking this around then- but the more information that came out about the mishandling of the war- all the haliburton nuttiness, the waring fractionalization of the new nation, and the fragile "peace" that we are holding by literally paying our biggest enemies to be our friends- I just don't see this a logical statement anymore.

Well DUH, not now it's not, but in 2004, it was perfectly reasonable, which is when the film clip in question was done - which is why the clip is a non-issue AFAIC.

RobMoney$
06-24-2008, 04:42 AM
Update: apparently the video is from 2004 when he was running for the senate.


THIS CLIP IS SO WORTHY OF DISCUSSION!!11!!

oh wait, nevermind. no it's not, it's from 4 years ago.[FAIL=RobMoney>>>Afro]



You insulting me is like Obama in a prepared speech.
You look good in that setting, but once you have to go off the dome it all kind of just falls apart, doesn't it.





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mathcart
06-24-2008, 04:57 PM
Well DUH, not now it's not, but in 2004, it was perfectly reasonable, which is when the film clip in question was done - which is why the clip is a non-issue AFAIC.

I like when people tell me like, duh!
:)

What I was saying though is that the same bullshit reasoning is still being parroted by people closer to the left then should be, it was not a jab at you- just that this bullshit reason for staying in a morally and literally bankrupting war is still being used, much to my dismay. Thats all I was saying.
Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

:D

saz
06-25-2008, 12:09 PM
this doesn't surprise me at all. i think registered democrats, supporters and the base really need to wake up. if they put the heat on and continue to demand an end to the iraq war, obama may have no choice but to stop being a centre-right democrat/moderate republican, and do what the majority of the country wants and bring the troops home.