Jay-Z does "Wonderwall"

[Jitters]

Check it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXZsO16w9sw&fmt=18)

Yeah, it's that good :D

[Guy Incognito]

has anyone seen the clips they showed before he walked on to wonderwall cos apparently there are clips of noel gallagher and some others that make the whole thing even better and i want to see them:(

[Jitters]

Say what now?

[Parkey]

Yeah, the BBC didn't show it. They played the audio on Westwood's show, but not the footage.

[Guy Incognito]

Say what now?

Noel Gallagher said "there was no place for jay z or hip hop at glastonbury" a few months back. Jay Z used that clip and some others before he came out and did wonderwall to prove his point that he respects them for what they do so they shut up and respect him for what he does. Thats my reading of the situation anyhoo.

Thanks parkey i will have a go on radio 1 to see if i can find the audio

[Jitters]

Noel Gallagher said "there was no place for jay z or hip hop at glastonbury" a few months back. Jay Z used that clip and some others before he came out and did wonderwall to prove his point that he respects them for what they do so they shut up and respect him for what he does. Thats my reading of the situation anyhoo.

Oh yeah, I heard about that. Jay was respectful about the comments from Noel before but I kind of saw this as making fun of him. Especially doing 99 problems right after....

[Guy Incognito]

Oh yeah, I heard about that. Jay was respectful about the comments from Noel before but I kind of saw this as making fun of him. Especially doing 99 problems right after....

i just caught some of the audio on westwoods show - couldnt hear a lot but there was the gallagher clip(massive boo's from the crowd at that point), a clip of george bush saying summat anti hip hop then a couple of pro hip hop comments (one sounded like gordon brown!) and then he comes on.
Its like Jay Z took the higher ground and showed his respect for another artist by opening up one his most important gigs with someone else's song and then going hey heres what i can do.
I suppose i am still buzzing a bit but i cant get over how Jay Z was the only headliner to properly embrace the spirit of the festival (normally headliners pull something special out there and KOL or the verve did fuck all like that) and i didnt think he was going to do any of that, he made his performance a unique one , he showed he was a great performer, a great band leader and was very dignified and came out of this whole thing with integrity and probably a lot more albums sold!

[faz]

I had to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM308vcuKRw).

I actually had the idea about an hour before jay hit the stage, wish I had it earlier. I'm thinking about doing a little remix ep or something. Do a couple of tracks laced with quotes from people about the whole thing

[Kid Presentable]

The intro vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8rUbOt62ug)

Good the fuck on Jay-Z. What I've seen of the performance is incredible. Somewhere in the distance I thought I heard Padster's world exploding.

[Guy Incognito]

The intro vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8rUbOt62ug)

Good the fuck on Jay-Z. What I've seen of the performance is incredible. Somewhere in the distance I thought I heard Padster's world exploding.

thank you thank you and thank you. i have been dying to see that since saturday night. Fucking brilliant. I seen the whole performance and i cant stop watching!

[Guy Incognito]

I had to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM308vcuKRw).

I actually had the idea about an hour before jay hit the stage, wish I had it earlier. I'm thinking about doing a little remix ep or something. Do a couple of tracks laced with quotes from people about the whole thing

somebody was going to do it, i gave it some thought!

I thought Jay Z was going to at one point! Glad he didnt tho'

Nice job btw Do the EP, definitely

[pshabi]

Noel Gallagher said "there was no place for jay z or hip hop at glastonbury" a few months back. Jay Z used that clip and some others before he came out and did wonderwall to prove his point that he respects them for what they do so they shut up and respect him for what he does. Thats my reading of the situation anyhoo.


My reading was more like, "Nigga, fuck you. I'ma do yo shit, on yo turf then call you a bitch and have yer people str8 jumpin, nigga."

I think that's a lil' closer. :D:rolleyes::p

[Lex Diamonds]

The intro vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8rUbOt62ug)

Good the fuck on Jay-Z. What I've seen of the performance is incredible. Somewhere in the distance I thought I heard Padster's world exploding.
I don't get it?

I thought the performance was OK, Jigga generally doesn't have the best breath control live though and it showed.

[Guy Incognito]

My reading was more like, "Nigga, fuck you. I'ma do yo shit, on yo turf then call you a bitch and have yer people str8 jumpin, nigga."

I think that's a lil' closer. :D:rolleyes::p

Definitely,(y) and its sorta what i meant but lets face it, there was no way i could pull off saying that is there?

I don't get it?

I thought the performance was OK, Jigga generally doesn't have the best breath control live though and it showed.

Dude, i couldnt hear 75% of what the man was saying but i didnt care, maybe i am not into hip hop enough to worry about breath control but i couldnt give a fuck about that.I
t was his whole approach to a really big gig, he made into a real occasion, showed what a great showman he is, thrilled a massive audience and looked like he was fucking loving it. Highlight for me was about 3 tracks in:
"In case y'all didnt get the memo, my name is Jay Z and i'm pretty fuckin awesome". Geezer.

[Lex Diamonds]

By "breath control" I mean "ability to say his lyrics out loud". You don't have to be Kool Herc to figure out how that will affect a performance.

The energy was good and it was an entertaining show, it's just a shame he raps like the black kid off Malcolm In The Middle.

[Guy Incognito]

By "breath control" I mean "ability to say his lyrics out loud". You don't have to be Kool Herc to figure out how that will affect a performance.

The energy was good and it was an entertaining show, it's just a shame he raps like the black kid off Malcolm In The Middle.

yeah i got that but it was the whole sound which blew me away and i heard enough of his voice. just couldnt tell what he was on about sometimes. His band were amazing, does he normally have a band live or is that a new thing?

lol at the stevie gag

[Kid Presentable]

By "breath control" I mean "ability to say his lyrics out loud". You don't have to be Kool Herc to figure out how that will affect a performance.

The energy was good and it was an entertaining show, it's just a shame he raps like the black kid off Malcolm In The Middle.

Compared to........you?

[Lex Diamonds]

I'm not the one who's been calling themself the best rapper alive for the past 10 years am I?

And GI, yeah he has his own band on tours, goes back a good 5 or so years. He says it's because he doesn't like the distortion you get on a beat when it is amplified for large capacity performances. He often uses famous people like The Roots and shit as well. (y)

[Freebasser]

If he'd bothered to learn/remember the words, it would have been funnier.

[pshabi]

If he'd bothered to learn/remember the words, it would have been funnier.

Actually, I think not knowing it made it funnier, but to each his own. It wasn't funnier than Padster's "malcolm in the middle" comment above. That shit really made me lol.

[Guy Incognito]

If he'd bothered to learn/remember the words, it would have been funnier.

But by the time it got to "gonna be the day" every fucker there was singing it so it didnt matter.

[roosta]

From the intro video....to "wonderwall"....to his actual performance...he was great.

[RobMoney$]

I'd say that qualified as PWN-age.

[ggirlballa]

it's just a shame he raps like the black kid off Malcolm In The Middle.


bahahahahaha:p

[RoryMC]

Fortunately, I was there and the intro was brilliant. I didn't watch all his set because I caught the last half of the equally excellent Massive Attack.

[Guy Incognito]

i have watched that gig a shitload of times now and ever since padster mentioned the breath control stevie from MITM i cant help noticing it. I think padster is actually right on this one.

[Lyman Zerga]

the padster is always right.

you can save lots of time knowing that

[Lex Diamonds]

CORRECTAMUNDO.

[roosta]

i have watched that gig a shitload of times now and ever since padster mentioned the breath control stevie from MITM i cant help noticing it. I think padster is actually right on this one.

I don't notice it myself.

[Guy Incognito]

I don't notice it myself.

well maybe i have watched it too much and am over analysing it. Its still a good fucking show however good his rapping is/isnt.

Apparently according to radio one - his record sales over here went up nearly 400% in a week after glasto, so breath control doesnt really matter to him.

[Kid Presentable]

It's an odd criticism to level at him; he doesn't rap about having the best breath control, either. I can hear what Padster means, but I don't consider it to be an issue.

[Guy Incognito]

It's an odd criticism to level at him; he doesn't rap about having the best breath control, either. I can hear what Padster means, but I don't consider it to be an issue.

but the devils advocate in me would say - if you are going to rap about being the best rapper in the world a lot, your breath control should be flawless.
That said its not an issue for me either in fact i had never noticed it in any rapper till paddy pointed it out.

[Kid Presentable]

With dudes like Percee P, breath control is self-evident, but he's batshit boring to listen to and it does him no favours. So to me, it's a moot point. You've got a dude in front of thousands of expectant fans, 38 or however the fuck old he is. If that's a show delivered by a guy with poor breath control (and it seems a ridiculous thing to keep typing), then poor breath control is still the best living.

It comes back to (and I say this respectfully) Paddy having this checklist of things he thinks make a great artist. And he's on point about a lot of shit, but in this case it's only really minutae that's important to him and a few others. I'd say the Malcolm in the Middle joke was the strength of the argument. Me, I'm not bothered by it. It seems absurd to view that performance and take away something based on breath control. Even if grime (for example) MCs and whatnot have breath control, they themselves are still unlistenable to me. So it's strokes for folks on horses for courses, I guess.

EDIT: I'll bang an edit in here and say this post probably comes off as presumptuous or whatever, because you can't discuss things in this forum, and it's just a place where people wait to feel insulted. I just think that over the time I've listened to rap music, they all say they're the best at some point, in some way, and that you can't really attach too much technical meaning to the enjoyment of good hip-hop.

[Guy Incognito]

With dudes like Percee P, breath control is self-evident, but he's batshit boring to listen to and it does him no favours. So to me, it's a moot point. You've got a dude in front of thousands of expectant fans, 38 or however the fuck old he is. If that's a show delivered by a guy with poor breath control (and it seems a ridiculous thing to keep typing), then poor breath control is still the best living.

It comes back to (and I say this respectfully) Paddy having this checklist of things he thinks make a great artist. And he's on point about a lot of shit, but in this case it's only really minutae that's important to him and a few others. I'd say the Malcolm in the Middle joke was the strength of the argument. Me, I'm not bothered by it. It seems absurd to view that performance and take away something based on breath control. Even if grime (for example) MCs and whatnot have breath control, they themselves are still unlistenable to me. So it's strokes for folks on horses for courses, I guess.

Fair do's.

I can totally understand why Padster thinks that. But you are right. It was a great show and i only picked up on the breath thing after about 9 viewings of that gig. It was a massive massive gig, even though i only saw it on the telly. The whole thing has fascinated me and its been 2 fucking weeks and i am still rambling on about it. I cant think of many gigs that I've even been to that have had that effect on me. So yeah breath control is pretty irrelevant in those terms.

[Kid Presentable]

Check the edit too.

[Guy Incognito]

EDIT: I just think that over the time I've listened to rap music, they all say they're the best at some point, in some way, and that you can't really attach too much technical meaning to the enjoyment of good hip-hop.

Agreed, i suppose its got more technical as its evolved, its written about a lot and i suppose younger fans are going to be more critical than older dudes like me ,for instance, cos the hip hop they grew up with was a damn sight better and a lot more readily available and not as high profile than what i had to listen to as a british kid in the 80's. A lot of fake shite (there was the odd classic) but loads of randommers makin "rap" records and it took while in that decade for the real thing to get to my ears regularly and i suppose when i did start hearing decent hip hop I wasnt giving a toss about a lot of what they were saying, let alone how they were saying it.

[Kid Presentable]

Not necessarily 'better' music. For whatever reason numerous listeners are now in the position to make these technical claims, and unless it's something glaring and the artist is complete shite anyway, it's not my idea of a real gripe.

[Guy Incognito]

Not necessarily 'better' music. .

i meant more polished, better produced, less primitive for want of a better word. but yeah, i dont mind so much if there are minor mistakes.

[Lex Diamonds]

I dunno why this has evoked such discussion. He struggles to perform his songs properly live, but the show was entertaining regardless. We all agreed on that in the first place.

ps
KP, Wu Tang pretty much pioneered grime and you seem to be big into them. I don't get the grime comment.

[Guy Incognito]

I dunno why this has evoked such discussion. He struggles to perform his songs properly live, but the show was entertaining regardless. We all agreed on that in the first place.

ps
KP, Wu Tang pretty much pioneered grime and you seem to be big into them. I don't get the grime comment.

It was probably my fault cos i brought it up again. I suppose it was cos the criticism you made was a new one on me and it was an interesting thing you said, thats all.

[laura]

Fortunately, I was there and the intro was brilliant. I didn't watch all his set because I caught the last half of the equally excellent Massive Attack.
that's the answer I was looking for..

[faz]

Seeing as this threads still going it seems apropriate for me to plug my second jay/oasis remix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A9GELj_WMg).