the revolution

[alien autopsy]

its bound to happen...some time. all things go in cycles, america will have its day, again.

do you embrace the idea of change, real change?
do you hide from the idea of real change?
do you think everything is a o k?
do you think we just need a few minor changes?

just curious, non attackful. not aggressive.

[RobMoney$]

I know just the man to bring about this Hope™ and Change™.

[Bob]

i have a few questions about the revolution

how precisely will the revolution proceed (the part after "the people" whoever they may be decide to have one i mean, the part where they take down the government in whatever way they want to do that)?

what happens after the revolution?

how does that happen?

just curious. non attackful, not aggressive

[King PSYZ]

But will it be televised?

[Documad]

But will it be televised?

first thing I thought of <3

[yeahwho]

I always thought the advent of the internet would change the world, really so far all it has done is enrich some math geeks who did the numbers.

The internet has acclimated itself into the mainstream amazingly well, bravo to the world wide web advertising machine, step right up.

[ms.peachy]

Ah yes, 'revolution'. Be careful what you wish for. Ask the people of Iran.

[Pres Zount]

Well, you have the political revolution, and the social revolution.

The political revolution is the one that gets all the attention, and is what people think of when you say "Russian Revolution", or "French Revolution". It is, or was, the insurrection, and the armed overthrowing of the government. The cutting off of monarch's heads, the storming of the Winter Palace, and what not.

I guess nowadays a political revolution is far less .... I don't know how to describe it. People would be more likely to vote in a revolutionary party rather than simply have it seize power through popular means. In Venezuela, Chavez became presidenté with a huge percentage of the vote. He was part of a coup a few years before that, and spent time in prison for it, but his party came to power through participating in the same elections that his right wing opponents ran in. So a political revolution nowadays, in first or second world countries, would most likely be through voting. Still, a political revolution comes to a head when a rising class realises it's power to change it's lot.

A social revolution is the more important part of a 'revolution' and is the changing of society, mainly though laws, and also through appropriations. A social revolution is mainly about the ownership of economic power, and the shift from one, outgoing class owning the means of production (Feudal lords, Capitalists) to the new, rising class (bourgeoisie, proletariat) owning the means of production. The means of production being that which makes available everything required for society to function, these 'means' are generally land for crops or natural resources, and factories to manufacture goods.

After the French revolution the laws were changed to enable the merchants to make more money. Anybody was allowed to buy land, rather than be born into it. So the rich came to own all the land and factories, and a lot of political sway followed that. This was a huge revolution over how feudal society worked, and it meant a lot of changes to how humans interacted with each other, and how women were treated. All of this followed a change in economy.

Or originally when the Communists gained political power in Russia, heavy industry was appropriated and made state property, under the control of local workers councils. These were revolutions in social structure.

Any future revolution would start with a political revolution. So, a radical party somehow coming to power, through electoral means or otherwise, by the will of the class that holds realised political power. A social revolution would follow, where the class with political power changes society to suit it's needs for human relations and economy. That's how all past revolutions have panned out, and it's how any future ones would. I reckon.

Stopping now, getting carried away and a bit excited.

Phew.

[na§tee]

that's what i get for my £5? i want my fucking money back!

first thing I thought of <3
me three.

[King PSYZ]

first thing I thought of <3

simpatico amigas nastee y documada, que bueno!(!)

[funk63]

I got a revolution for you SKAAAAAAAAA

[ThatGuy]

Do you mean http://rateyourmusic.com/release/video/prince/prince_and_the_revolution_live/

[alien autopsy]

i think the internet has changed EVERYTHING.

it has sped up the rate of change.
look at what it has done for small businesses.
for communications.
for coordinations of global protests and boycotts.
for the exchange of ideas.


i would argue that human evolution and revolution are preceded by exchange of ideas....and it is speeding up. the novelty wave is coming in upon itself:)

[Drederick Tatum]

those who need 'revolution' the most can't actually afford the internet.

[roosta]

There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

[Bob]

“No one with a healthy brain wants a revolution without a plan for what comes after,” he said. “That’s what happened in [Iran in] 1979.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/world/middleeast/13dissident.html?ex=1373688000&en=b75052282200ff94&ei=5124&partner=facebook&exprod=facebook)

[ericg]

i got a little revolution called mov that i've been developing. it's a national, high-growth trans ecooperative that will serve as the sole medium for electric, bio fuel and innovative vehicles ... but i need a partner with good credit to circumvent sba's 10% personal injection of the loan. i got a plan and financial summary all set if anyone's interested. it's the real dope.

[ericg]

by the way - it'll yield 11.4 million in projected revenue by the end of 2010 while giving the industry an overhaul ...

[alien autopsy]

nice:) im interested! not financially able to help, nor am i probably anywhere near you, nor do i really have the time at the moment....but i think its a great idea!

[ericg]

thanks. that's one of the best responses i've received yet.
it's been rifuckingdiculous around this ***.

[alien autopsy]

seriously man, go for it.

i am running WVO in my isuzu NPR flatbed and it runs great, and it feels good knowing i only pay 2 bucks a gallon:) also, it feels good knowing im not supporting petro companies, im not supporting my government who tries to tell me i have to run their diesel, and im "recycling".

its a good thing, but i dont think it will last. and it shouldnt.

and ethanol is a fucking joke- as is water for fuel- great idea, shortage of water, lets fuel our fuel addiction with it.

the answer is to redesign out cities, our infrastructure, to support local economies, to increase public transportation...

switching our addiction from one fuel to the next is like smoking crack because you have no more weed.

but for now, it is absolutely necessary for us to do what you are doing, and what those of us who are involved in such work are doing...its a step in the right direction. these huge changes, that are so necessary and unavoidable take time to build, you got to chiiiiiilllll:)
good work man, keep it up, and keep me updated!

[yeahwho]

by the way - it'll yield 11.4 million in projected revenue by the end of 2010 while giving the industry an overhaul ...

You know what I would do is just go ahead and get that sba personal injection, they actually only overlook your loan, there is no profit sharing nor is there any point system. They actually can expedite your dream.

If I had an idea that I knew was worthy of doing I would take the leap, especially one such as yours that can do as you say, help save the planet.

[ericg]

the 10% personal injection is 30-60 thousand. don't have a house to mortgage. need a financial backer/ partner. thanx though. wish i was in seattle to 'canvass' it a little better as that's where i want to establish it. despite the excellent public trans service there, there's also an ideal niche for this. i've contacted everyone from seva to hell, everybody, every organization. people in position are so damn lacking and remiss. a lot has been infiltrated in order to remain in gridlock. as for everyone else, who knows.

[D_Raay]

the answer is to redesign out cities, our infrastructure, to support local economies, to increase public transportation...

Nuh-uh, we need to cut taxes and bury ourselves under China. I'm sure your grandkids won't mind working in their sweatshops.:rolleyes:

[ericg]

wake up to the wrong side of the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdrCalO5BDs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8uGdz0LwY8
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS248US248&q=click+to+help+kids

www.solarroadways.com is worth checking out.
as is www.steorn.com...