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DroppinScience
07-22-2008, 01:38 AM
Here is a pretty interesting article on how we project what we want to see -- whether good or bad -- in Obama in light of his world tour.

I'll bold the key parts.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/21/10495/

Published on Monday, July 21, 2008 by The Guardian/UK
People See in Obama What They Want to See — That’s a Blessing and a Curse
As the US Democratic candidate heads towards Europe, liberals refer to him as if he represents a second coming
by Gary Younge

Last Tuesday a 25-year-old white student was wandering around Union Square in New York when she was set upon by four black teenage girls who pushed her, pulled out her earphones, and spat in her face. She was wearing a T-shirt proclaiming “Obama is my slave” that she had bought from Apollo Braun’s Lower East Side store in Manhattan.

This isn’t the first controversial T-shirt Braun has printed about the Democratic presidential hopeful, Barack Obama. His body of work includes such slogans as “Jews Against Obama”, “Obama = Hitler” and “Who Killed Obama?” - which he told New York’s Metro was his most popular yet.

When questioned about the message that he is putting out, Braun insists these are not his views but those of the rest of America. “For a lot of people, when they see Obama, they see a slave. People think America is not ready for a black president,” he said. Not people like him, he says, insisting that Obama’s race is “the only thing I like about him. He opens the door for other minorities” - but “ordinary Wasps”, with whom, it turns out, Braun has more in common than he cares to admit. “I can’t stand Obama,” he says, comparing him to Hitler, because “he is a Muslim”.

Obama is not a Muslim. Nonetheless, according to a recent Pew research survey, 12% of Americans still believe that he is. Another 10% say they have “heard different things”. This is why the New Yorker cartoon portraying Obama as a flag-burning terrorist wasn’t that funny. For satire to work, it has to be edgy. It fails when it misjudges where the edge is. When, according to another survey, one in five Democrats with a negative opinion of Obama believes he is a Muslim, we are not talking isolated pockets but mainstream public opinion.

“It’s hard to ignore what you hear when everybody you know is saying it,” Jim Peterman, from Findlay, Ohio, told the Washington Post recently, having heard various accounts of Obama’s lack of patriotism and extreme Islamic views. “These are good people, smart people, so can they really all be wrong?”

“The way we see things is affected by what we know and what we believe,” wrote John Berger in Ways of Seeing. “The relation between what we see and what we know is never settled.”[b]

Herein lies both Obama’s greatest asset and biggest problem. In the past six months, it has become patently clear people see in him whatever they want to see. After being told his parents’ race and nationality, more than half (55%) of white people said he was biracial while two-thirds of African-Americans said he was black, according to a Zogby poll. A New York Times poll last week showed two-thirds of black people believe he is very patriotic while one in five whites believe he is not very patriotic.

The division is not just racial but ideological. [b]Liberals refer to him as though he represents a second coming. The left sees him as a disappointment waiting to happen. Hillary Clinton’s team tried to paint him as a condescending sexist. Jesse Jackson wants to cut his nuts off.

These contradictions are arguably true of all politicians, but they seem truer of Obama than most. He must be the only “radical Islamist” whose biggest scandal to date has arisen from membership of the Trinity United Church of Christ. Depending on what Kool-Aid you have been drinking, when it comes to Obama your glass is either half full, half empty or overflowing, or you’ve smashed it lest anybody else imbibes its poison.

People come to Obama with extraordinary amounts of baggage and dump it at his door. For the most part their responses to him tell you far more about them than they do about him.

And so it is that his world tour heads to Europe, to what most predict will be a lively and rapturous reception from huge and hopeful crowds. Germany’s Der Spiegel magazine has referred to him as the messiah. It is not difficult to see why. The damage George Bush has done to the world’s view of America is both pervasive and profound. In a global survey of 27 countries conducted by Pew in 2000, 25 had a favourable view of America. Last month, in a similar survey of 24 countries, that number was down to seven.

On the world stage, America’s misfortune has become Obama’s opportunity. Most Europeans see him not just as Bush’s likely successor but as his absolute negation - the anti-Bush. Where the current president is belligerent, parochial, indifferent and oafish, Obama is conciliatory, worldly, curious and refined. When it comes to the forthcoming elections, 23 of those 24 nations preferred Obama to John McCain.

Europeans think they are going to see Kennedy. The difference is that when Kennedy arrived in Europe in 1963, he had been president for three years - Obama is still trying to get elected, and Europeans don’t get to vote. Indeed, the intense interest in the elections and enthusiasm for Obama in Europe reveals a real geopolitical weakness.

The past seven years have shown European governments able to frustrate America’s excesses but not to thwart them. The issue is not solely that Europe has failed to present an effective challenge to America - a question of power - but that it has yet to come up with a coherent ideological alternative to it: a question of ideas.

America is nowhere near as excited about Obama as Europe is. So Europeans are left rooting on the sidelines in the hope that middle America (which is where most elections are decided) will make a better choice about who it thinks should run the world than it did last time. For Europeans, Obama’s appearance has the palliative effect of methadone - taking the edge off a long-term dependency.

In Obama they see a paradigm shift. But if he wins, what they will get, in the words of the former president Warren Harding, is a “return to normalcy”. Obama is not a radical, he is a mainstream Democrat - a party that in any other western nation would find itself on the right on foreign policy, the centre on economic policy, the centre-left on social policy.

When it comes to international affairs, he will be a huge improvement on Bush and much better than McCain. That takes him a long way from the parlous place where America is now. But his current platform will still leave America a considerable distance from where most Europeans who come out to greet him would like it to be.

This would matter more if they thought their own leaders could do any better. But Obama’s other asset right now is the pathetic state of European leadership. He arrives in a continent whose unifying project has been stalled by the Irish and is based in a country that is falling apart - Belgium.

With the exception of Angela Merkel, riding high on folksy popularity, he will meet leaders (Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy) who are not much more popular than Bush. So Obama’s arrival gives Europeans a chance to be passionate about politics - a feeling they have not had for a long time. In Obama, they pine for something they have singularly failed to produce - a politician who inspires them and a politics of hope.

–Gary Younge

© Guardian News and Media Limited 2008

yeahwho
07-22-2008, 05:39 AM
Interesting read. I openly support his candidacy for president. He is inclusive in his campaign, fully aware of the criticisms of his stature and capable of not only recognizing his faults, but sharing them publicly. He also has changed his ways as the big day in November approaches, which is expected of a winner.

This whole fucking deal where his supporters should start falling apart and decrying his move toward center is bullshit. I'm not on kool aid or chanting Obama mantras, I truly want to see him win by a landslide and start to see this Country of ours have a political shift away, far away from Bush.

Everything hinges on his winning in November. If he loses (which would be way sadder than all these silly character critiques) we're going to head down a very dangerous path.

NoFenders
07-22-2008, 02:35 PM
No Kool-Aid?? LMAO!!
:cool:

RobMoney$
07-22-2008, 03:17 PM
I'm on Grape Soda and Salt & Vinegar chips for Obama.

saz
07-22-2008, 05:09 PM
well, he was mobbed by the troops (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2008/Video/?action=view&current=Baghdadstandingovation2.flv) recently while visiting the us embassy in baghdad.

Bob
07-23-2008, 12:30 AM
well, he was mobbed by the troops (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2008/Video/?action=view&current=Baghdadstandingovation2.flv) recently while visiting the us embassy in baghdad.

beatles mobbed, or lee harvey oswald mobbed?

Funky Pepp
07-25-2008, 08:50 AM
So, I've been to see Obama yesterday evening in Berlin. It was quite interesting - a real big event (I think there were more than the reported 200.000 - as it was nearly as packed as on the Live-Aid). Anyway, the speech was good (not great) but good. I don't get why so many were against him speeking here. If there is an interest to hear his speech, why should he not speak here. Mc Cain could do the same if he wanted to (he's just afraid that not even 200 would come to hear him over here so he prefers the German Sausage-House (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/07/24/sausage/index.html)). It was a little too much against the old communism-systems I think, which is a difficult topic (at least for eastern germany). But that's only my opinion. And I think - for the germans at least - he would not have to repeat the german history-school-material. But the main messages as pro-cooperation and perhaps finally contra-climate-change were at least positive signals in case he would win. Although he also said that a change in the white house would not change everything (which was an honest satement).

Sorry for the confusing summary - but it's so loud in this fucking office as we have a big construction site in front of our window! Hope you get my point of view anyway.

yeahwho
07-25-2008, 12:50 PM
.Mc Cain could do the same if he wanted to (he's just afraid that not even 200 would come to hear him over here so he prefers the German Sausage-House (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/07/24/sausage/index.html)).

I'm just the sort of guy who finds McCains move to actually go to Schmidt's Sausage Haus und Restaurant" at the German Village here in Columbus, Ohio USA while Obama is campaigning in Germany a smart, DYI, punk rock move. It shows he's becoming savvy and grabbing media. Plus look at how fucking happy he is (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/images/2008/07/24/abc_john_mccain_smile_ms_080724_mi.jpg), you know he's goofing everybody.

Funky Pepp
07-25-2008, 04:16 PM
Plus look at how fucking happy he is (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/images/2008/07/24/abc_john_mccain_smile_ms_080724_mi.jpg), you know he's goofing everybody.

It's definitely funny... :D But he could have had even more delicious german Bratwurst here. There were about a dozen "Bratwurst-Buden" on the Obama-fan-mile (yes, they actually called it fan-mile) yesterday :p

yeahwho
07-25-2008, 05:00 PM
I think you were part of the biggest audience Obama has been before, it truly is amazing how much international praise and attention Barack has garnered.

McCain's campaign is probably smart enough not to do too much goofing, just enough to get a little bit of press while Obama hogs the spotlight worldwide.

It's surreal that Germany had a fan mile for Obama.

Funky Pepp
07-25-2008, 05:24 PM
I think you were part of the biggest audience Obama has been before, it truly is amazing how much international praise and attention Barack has garnered.

McCain's campaign is probably smart enough not to do too much goofing, just enough to get a little bit of press while Obama hogs the spotlight worldwide.

It's surreal that Germany had a fan mile for Obama.

True, but I think most of the people there were Americans (at least judgng from the language ;)). I don't know if it will help Obama that he's popular over here...

Lyman Zerga
07-26-2008, 02:17 AM
he would not have to repeat the german history-school-material. But the main messages as pro-cooperation and perhaps finally contra-climate-change were at least positive signals in case he would win. Although he also said that a change in the white house would not change everything (which was an honest satement).


i thought the same

funk63
07-27-2008, 02:11 PM
get off obamas nuts already