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DroppinScience
07-28-2008, 11:55 AM
That's what the data reveals...

So why all the "centrist" bullshit?

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/28/10644/

Published on Monday, July 28, 2008 by CommonDreams.org
Americans Move Left, New York Times Misses It
by Jeff Cohen

The headline atop Saturday’s op-ed page was a hallowed standby for the New York Times: “Americans Move to the Middle.” Assembled by Times “visual columnist” Charles Blow, the text of the column was dwarfed by 15 graphs tracking recent movement in American public opinion, based on Gallup polls. There was one problem: the headline totally distorted the data.

An accurate headline would have been “American Opinion Moves Leftward” — but accuracy was apparently trumped by centrist ideology. (Yes, there are ideologues of the center, as well as of Left or Right.)

It’s a cherished myth of many in establishment punditry that most Americans perpetually and happily find their way to the safe center of American politics. This pleasant status quo consensus is marred, in Blow’s text, by “party extremists sharpening their wedge issues” to rally their bases and caricature their opponents.

Here’s the data presented by Blow and the Times: 15 public opinion graphs on various issues starting in 2001-2003 and ending in 2006-2008. Of the 15, about a dozen track issues on which there are recognizable positions associated with Right and Left. Of those dozen, the trend in opinion is unmistakenly leftward on virtually every one.

On foreign policy:

– “The Iraq war has made the U.S. less safe from terrorism.” 37% in 2003 and 49% four years later.

– “The U.S. should not attack another country unless it has been attacked first.” 51% in Oct. 2002 and 57% in 2006

– “The government is spending too much for national defense and military purposes.” 19% in Feb. 2001 and 44% in Feb. 2008.

On cultural issues:

– “Organized religion should have less influence in this nation.” 22% in Jan. 2001 and 34% in Jan. 2008.

Asked if the following were “morally acceptable,” trend lines were leftward. “Gay relationships”: 40% in May 2001 to 48% in May 2008. “Divorce”: 59% to 70% in same time period. “Medical research using stem cells from human embryos”: from 52% in May 2002 to 62% in May 2008.

Some might argue that there is one Times graph that trends rightward: “The state of moral values in the country as a whole is getting worse.” It went from 67% in May 2002 to 81% in May 2008. Yet I’m no conservative and I’m absolutely part of the 81% — given the declining morals that descend from corporate, government and religious elites.

So the Times presents Gallup data showing a clear trend toward the left, and calls it a “Move to the Middle.” Is the assumption that we were mostly rightwingers a few years ago? Or is the “move to the middle” line simply more reassuring to an establishment newspaper?

The reality is that longterm trends in American opinion are generally leftward on issues, as documented in well-researched studies.

It’s a reality that troubles those Beltway pundits who constantly goad Barack Obama toward “the center” on issues like Iraq and NAFTA — when they mean, move away from the center of mass opinion and upwards toward the center of elite opinion.

A demagogue like Sean Hannity instinctively knows this reality, which is why his attacks on Obama emphasize WrightAyresBitterMichelle more than issues.

Jeff Cohen is director of the Park Center of Independent Media at Ithaca College. He founded the media watch group FAIR in 1986.

NoFenders
07-28-2008, 02:38 PM
Most (if not all) polls are crap.


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yeahwho
07-28-2008, 04:07 PM
Most (if not all) polls are crap.


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This is why most successful corporations just randomly market their target audience. Consensus and data collecting is just a hobby to spend those mega-corporate profits on. Only a fool would run a business and pay attention to polls (http://www.gallup.com/).

Really most Americans are extremely proud of George Bush and his accomplishments of the past Seven plus years. We're all looking for someone to carry on the torch of compassionate conservatism.

ericg
07-28-2008, 04:41 PM
hm. ok. what does that mean? the left hasn't been that great either. and who the fuck is in the center? it's a no man's land. same bad eggs in the the same basket. illusion. check yo mothafuckin head.

barack speaks well, and i'd love an african american pres - i mean it's.. great for many. but not obama. anyone else.

it'll be good for those comfortable not knowing much but color of skin and propaganda. it's a tough world and people need easy comfort. but don't sell your soul for it.

Documad
07-28-2008, 07:43 PM
The problem is that most of the voters who are moving left are the ones who never vote, or who vote for a third party candidate.

yeahwho
07-28-2008, 08:15 PM
The problem is that most of the voters who are moving left are the ones who never vote, or who vote for a third party candidate.
I think most everybody I know will vote for Obama, he's done a few things to really piss off liberals (of which there is no shortage of here in Seattle), yet IQ and a real necessity to get this Country back to some sort of semblance of decency is the overriding factor why even the Naderites of past elections realize, we're fucked. Must vote in huge numbers any direction away from GWB that wins.

Those who never vote? I don't know, I couldn't imagine a more cynical life than not voting. I've had a few people tell me at work they wouldn't vote in protest of Obama's FISA and signing and such..... you know what, I look at them and say point blank, I'm only around you because of the paycheck. They can draw their own conclusions.

saz
07-28-2008, 09:44 PM
The problem is that most of the voters who are moving left are the ones who never vote, or who vote for a third party candidate.

people who vote for what they believe in isn't the problem. the problem is the democratic party.

funk63
07-28-2008, 09:55 PM
Whats with all this left-wing, right-wing crap? lets move up.

Documad
07-28-2008, 10:32 PM
I think most everybody I know will vote for Obama, he's done a few things to really piss off liberals (of which there is no shortage of here in Seattle), yet IQ and a real necessity to get this Country back to some sort of semblance of decency is the overriding factor why even the Naderites of past elections realize, we're fucked. Must vote in huge numbers any direction away from GWB that wins.

Those who never vote? I don't know, I couldn't imagine a more cynical life than not voting. I've had a few people tell me at work they wouldn't vote in protest of Obama's FISA and signing and such..... you know what, I look at them and say point blank, I'm only around you because of the paycheck. They can draw their own conclusions.

Most of my friends will vote for Obama even though they're bitching and moaning now. Only one of my friends was a strong Clinton supporter and I'm sure she won't be able to vote for McCain -- her daughter will convince her to support Obama in the end.

I knock on doors every two years. I get frustrated with the people who don't vote, even though I understand where they're coming from. In my city, this year should be a lot of fun because I door knock in some minority-dominated neighborhoods in Minneapolis and St. Paul and Obama will be an easy sell. But that's only speaking for my neighborhoods. I don't have a handle on what's happening in the rural areas or suburbs at all yet this year.

yeahwho
07-28-2008, 10:44 PM
It all changes when you leave Seattle, go across the floating bridges and it's 50/50... head to Eastern Washington and it's 70% Republican.

sam i am used to always say he'd never vote for McCain.... you remember him? He really liked republicans.

I wonder if that still holds true. Perhaps he'll troll through during the election to tell us all about it. :D

NoFenders
07-29-2008, 03:36 PM
This is why most successful corporations just randomly market their target audience. Consensus and data collecting is just a hobby to spend those mega-corporate profits on. Only a fool would run a business and pay attention to polls (http://www.gallup.com/).

Really most Americans are extremely proud of George Bush and his accomplishments of the past Seven plus years. We're all looking for someone to carry on the torch of compassionate conservatism.


I'm in a business that has plenty of polls, and we run off those polls every day. Some are decent, most change like the direction of the wind. People put out polls when they have no touch with people. They don't know what it's like to talk to other people on the other side. They send a poll to a handful of people and assume that's the overall opinion.I don't know one person that's ever been in one poll or another.

We all belive the lies and stories we really want to believe.


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afronaut
07-29-2008, 03:53 PM
American-brand leftism is still firmly right-wing.