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RobMoney$
07-29-2008, 08:59 PM
Obama is a Bad Investment

The following is a letter sent to DNC Treasurer Andy Tobias telling him why, from a rational investor's point of view, Obama has not earned the author's vote. The letter was sent by one of the DNC's biggest donors, a donor who has historically maxed out to the DNC and who was a maxed out donor in both the Kerry and Clinton campaigns, in response to comments by Tobias that she could not see the forest through the trees.

You decide.


Dear Andy,

So you want to know what is taking me so long to "get on board"? Let me try to answer with some discussion of what my 25 years on Wall Street and the Hedge Fund community have taught me, and what insights I can share in order to explain my stance.

As you know, anyone in our profession meets with countless management teams on a monthly, quarterly, and annual basis. The "plots" change from time to time and the cast of characters play musical chairs. After awhile, they become all too familiar. You have seen the movie before. When you spot the corrupt CFO enter the scene, it immediately casts a doubt on the rest of the management team. One or two conclusions can be drawn - either they are inept or they wanted a dishonest player. Neither answer provides any comfort, but always insight. I have been lied to by the best of them over the decades; I am sure you have had similar experiences.

After years of stepping in land mines, I learned to read people and situations. I had no choice - my listening skills were honed, my gut fine-tuned. I picked up on what was and was not said, and I always paid close attention to the cast of characters. The actions of a management team always told me more than anything they ever said. If they were bailing out, so was I. If the head of sales left unexpectedly, alarm bells went of.

In the thirteen years that I have had audited results, I lost money in only one year, and then only in single digits. I am proud that I was able repay my investors' faith and confidence in me by compounding their funds assets, net of fees, at 18% over those 13 years. I took my responsibilities seriously and when I knew I could not give it 110% of my energies, I turned it over to someone who would. My investors deserved someone who would work tirelessly on their behalf, looking under every rock in support of their interests.

The fact that I became successful was not what made me proud. It was how I did it. My soul is intact. It was the self-imposed rules and standards that I adhered to. I believed in a win, win, and still do. My investors always came first. I never screwed anyone over. I made plenty of mistakes, but I always owned them, never blaming others. I treated everyone fairly and with respect, believing everyone has something to offer. I always tried to do the right thing.

So what does this have to do with me not falling in line and supporting Obama? Well everything as you can see.

Andy, if I worked and served the people in the 13th District in Chicago, I would have known all of the players. And to win that district, would I have gamed the system to run unopposed? Tony Rezko would not have had a seat at my table. Either Obama is a fool and is blind to what should have been obvious, or someone like Tony is fine by Obama's standards. The guy is a dirtball. And a dirtball would not be part of my circle, certainly not my inner circle. I would rather not be elected than associate with someone like Rezko.

Nor for political or any other reasons would I choose Rev. Wright, Rev. Meeks, or Father Plager as my spiritual mentors. Again, he is either blind or an opportunist. Would I be hanging out with Mr. Ayers? Would you? Would you refuse to be photographed with Gavin Newsom? There is a pattern with this guy - he manipulates; the ends justify the means. He lacks character.

Getting not one bill passed in the first 6 years of his career is not inspiring. Having Emil Jones hand him the ball 26 times on the one-yard line in order to make Obama a United States Senator does not cut it either. What deals he made, he did to benefit no one but himself. He never worked long enough in either Senate to help the people who elected him. Andy, I could never imagine you taking credit for legislation someone else slaved over. Starting in his community organizing days he claimed sole responsibility for other people's accomplishments all for the purpose to boosting his career.

In terms of the campaign itself, I had the opportunity to witness his methods up close. During the primaries I was in 6 states, 2 of which had caucuses; it was not clean. El Paso was a joke with the Obama campaign stealing the caucus packets, locking supporters out - Intimidation 101, 102 and 103. Fair elections do not seem to be a priority in my birth state. No other machine exists from the days of Boss Tweed, but Chicago's. How many elected officials are in jail?They are the joke of the nation. It is called the Chicago machine for good reason.

It was clear that what I saw and experienced was not a fluke or isolated incidents, but coordinated, deliberate and arrogant. I got to see him and his organization for who he is and what it is - not inspiring, to say the least. Not something I would have, in business, endorsed in any way. In fact, I would most likely have reported them to the appropriate regulators.

Andy, I have consistently found you to be a compassionate person, but more importantly you have always put your money where your mouth is. Does it not bother you that a guy like Obama can serve a poor district and give away a paltry $1000 to charity? He only stepped up his giving when he decided to run for President and he knew his charitable giving would be made public. How could anyone see that much misery and not try to personally do something about it?

Please, show me something this guy ever did that was not done in a calculated fashion to create and advance his own personal narrative? Something selfless, perhaps, just because it was the right thing to do?

Every person I have talked to who worked at the Law Review at Harvard with him, or in the later part of his career, said the same thing: he was arrogant and self-centered. One person laughed, saying Obama wanted to be King of the World, that he was always running for something, never staying in one place long enough to amass accomplishments or be held accountable.

Do you not you find it troublesome that he has hundreds of paid bloggers, posting vicious attacks not only about the Clintons but her supporters as well? The whole purpose was to cast him as the second coming, while trashing her and quashing other points of view.

At first I thought is was just some hyped up kids, and then a pattern emerged. He paid others to do his dirty work. The most egregious sexist cracks were rampant, both on the Internet and the MSM. Yet, what did Howard and Obama say? Nothing. Obama promoted it, paid his bloggers to write it. Never once did he try to stop it. Howard, after the damage was done finally commented on it, but barely. Wink, wink.

Andy, I heard remarks that still make my jaw drop.

You know I consider myself a centrist. The right wing of the Republican Party scares me, but so does the left. Ideologues of either side should not have control simultaneously of the executive, legislative, and judicial arms of the government. Absolute power corrupts, be it on the left or the right. Ha, but you will say.... the courts. If you have the legislative branch, all will be fine. McCain voted Ginsberg in, he is not a stupid man and certainly not an Ideologue, and he took heat in the primaries for refusing to have a litmus test for judges. And need I remind you that Obama thought Roberts was an acceptable appointment until some more experienced hands in the Senate told him that would not do?

Painting him as Bush 3 is a little annoying, and what's up with the MoveOn Baby Alex commercial? Give credit where credit is due. McCain went against his own party twice on immigration reform, on ethanol subsidies, and campaign finance reform. He started talking about Global warming 8 years ago. I don't agree with McCain on a number of topics, but I do believe he has principals and a backbone. He is not willing to say anything to get elected.

I can't say the same for Obama who is turning out to be more like Bush than McCain; Obama is at least as arrogant as W, just more polished. Are you not ashamed, in these past weeks, of his reckless abandon of any pretense to a moral center on issues such as FISA, separation of church and state, gun control? And what he did to one of my heroes, Wes Clark? Insulting my intelligence and my standards will not win me over.

But, in this conversation, you will say, McCain wants to be in Iraq for 100 years. No, he said that as in Japan, or Korea, we could have a presence. We have been in both of those countries for 60 years and not leaving any time soon, and the world is safer for it.

Next will be, McCain is not knowledgeable about the economy. While with Carly Fiorina, who I remember from her Lucent days, at a town meeting he turned the mic over to Carly when asked about the mortgage mess, painting her as the expert. Wow - he gave a woman a compliment, praising her knowledge, referring to her as the expert. How often have you praised Charles, or me, and everyone for that matter? Why? Because you are gracious and you know it reflects well on you.

All this might not bother me if so much if the stakes where not so high, but they are. I am an issues person, not a cult of personality devotee. Substance matters. Barack is a politician, an inexperienced one at that, pretending he is different. I just see him as arrogant and power hungry. Our country deserves better, someone I would be proud to do business with.

Andy, my country comes first, not the Democrat party. Having said that, I believe that the Democratic Party has just kicked away the best candidate and our best chance to redeem our country, Hillary Clinton, a proven centrist. Given his resume, or should I say the lack of one, he is either ineffective or hiding something, neither answer gives me the warm and fuzzies. If she is chosen in Denver, you can count on my full and enthusiastic support. Until then,

I own my vote.



Just WOW.

Documad
07-29-2008, 09:42 PM
Why is "her" name not on the letter? How do we know it's real? Why is it posted on blogs and not in the news? If it's real, who leaked it? I find it difficult to believe that a well-connected democrat would write such a childish letter and then make it public unless he/she suddenly had mental health issues. Why burn your bridges with the possible next president of the united states when you could have just quietly not given money?

Documad
07-29-2008, 09:50 PM
By the way, it's an entertaining letter (breezy writing style) even if it sounds too childish to be from who he/she purports to be. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it will turn out that a successful woman had some kind of breakdown and decided to go public with it. If so, it won't be a secret for long and we will get her name soon. :)

It's hilarious to think that a long time, highly successful, member of the hedge fund community would think it's newsworthy that the editor of the Harvard Law Review is ambitious. Ha ha ha. Personally, I think it would be an improvement to have a president who got ahead on his own by working his ass off in law school rather than the legacy who decided to be a cheerleader.

RobMoney$
07-29-2008, 09:59 PM
Regardless of who wrote it, I find it very interesting, especially the spin of "Obama is more like Bush than McCain".
Does it really matter whether it was truly written by a major DNC Donor, or whether it was written by a bitter Clinton supporter pawning it off as some major players comments? The points still sting and a lot of it is borderline brilliant.


I'm kind of hoping for more from the Obamatons than "It's a phony letter" and "None of it is true".

Documad
07-29-2008, 10:13 PM
It matters a lot to me whether it's true or made up. Truth is important to me.

It would be very telling if Clinton's supporters are now going out of their way to trash the candidate because they lost the nomination. I'm a democrat and you're not allowed to be a poor loser. You're supposed to work hard for your fellow democrats in the general election.

It's nonsensical to think that Obama is more like Bush than McCain is. No one who has been paying attention over the last year could really believe that.

RobMoney$
07-29-2008, 10:23 PM
The author is comparing their egos, not political beliefs.

Documad
07-29-2008, 10:33 PM
McCain and Clinton don't have egos? Come on.

RobMoney$
07-29-2008, 10:35 PM
This article may help shed some light on the allegations of "Having Emil Jones hand him the ball 26 times on the one-yard line in order to make Obama a United States Senator"


Chris Matthews, the MSNBC political pundit, recently grilled Texas State Senator Kirk Watson for supporting Obama despite knowing nothing about the candidate's legislative record.
"Can you name any — can you name anything he's accomplished?" Matthews pressed.
"No," Watson, whose district includes Austin, finally admitted. "I'm not gonna be able to do that."
"Well, that's a problem, isn't it?" Matthews said.
Hillary Clinton recalled the incident with a chuckle during last Thursday's debate at the University of Texas.
When asked about his legislative record, Obama rattles off several bills he sponsored as an Illinois lawmaker.
He expanded children's health insurance; made the state Earned Income Tax Credit refundable for low-income families; required public bodies to tape closed-door meetings to make government more transparent; and required police to videotape interrogations of homicide suspects.
And the list goes on.
It's a lengthy record filled with core liberal issues. But what's interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.
Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama's seven-year tenure. Each session, Obama backed legislation that went nowhere; bill after bill died in committee. During those six years, Obama, too, would have had difficulty naming any legislative achievements.
Then, in 2002, dissatisfaction with President Bush and Republicans on the national and local levels led to a Democratic sweep of nearly every lever of Illinois state government. For the first time in 26 years, Illinois Democrats controlled the governor's office as well as both legislative chambers.
The white, race-baiting, hard-right Republican Illinois Senate Majority Leader James "Pate" Philip was replaced by Emil Jones Jr., a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned African-American known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor.
Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama's. He became Obama's kingmaker.
Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio program.
I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:
"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. Senator.'"
"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"
"Barack Obama."
Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.
"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.
"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."
During his seventh and final year in the state Senate, Obama's stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law — including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.
It was a stunning achievement that started him on the path of national politics — and he couldn't have done it without Jones.
Before Obama ran for U.S. Senate in 2004, he was virtually unknown even in his own state. Polls showed fewer than 20 percent of Illinois voters had ever heard of Barack Obama.
Jones further helped raise Obama's profile by having him craft legislation addressing the day-to-day tragedies that dominated local news headlines.
For instance. Obama sponsored a bill banning the use of the diet supplement ephedra, which killed a Northwestern University football player, and another one preventing the use of pepper spray or pyrotechnics in nightclubs in the wake of the deaths of 21 people during a stampede at a Chicago nightclub. Both stories had received national attention and extensive local coverage.
I spoke to Jones earlier this week and he confirmed his conversation with Kelley, adding that he gave Obama the legislation because he believed in Obama's ability to negotiate with Democrats and Republicans on divisive issues.
So how has Obama repaid Jones?
Last June, to prove his commitment to government transparency, Obama released a comprehensive list of his earmark requests for fiscal year 2008. It comprised more than $300 million in pet projects for Illinois, including tens of millions for Jones's Senate district.
Shortly after Jones became Senate president, I remember asking his view on pork-barrel spending.
I'll never forget what he said:
"Some call it pork; I call it steak."


http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/print

RobMoney$
07-29-2008, 10:41 PM
McCain and Clinton don't have egos? Come on.

I'm not saying they don't, just pointing out what the author's intent was in that quote.

Let's face it, anyone who gets up and looks in the mirror in the morning and says to themself...
"I want to be the President of the United States of America, the most powerful and important person on the face of the Earth, and I'm willing to put up with all of the stressful BS that goes along with it in order to be President"

has to have a very healthy sized ego.

DroppinScience
07-29-2008, 10:48 PM
Truth is important to me.

This pretty much separates Rob$ from the entire board.

I've never seen anyone with more of a vendetta than him. I'm even including alien autopsy in that statement!

RobMoney$
07-30-2008, 04:42 AM
While you can kill the messenger all you'd like, it doesn't change the fact that the author of this letter raises some legitimate concerns.
But I understand why you'd want to change focus away from that and turn this into a "Rob is racist and hates Obama" thread.

I haven't said anything negative about Obama in this thread or since the primaries, in fact I've been coming around to Obama's side recently (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=87741).

I'm posting this here because it's highly interesting and worthy of being discussed.

Nice try though.

DroppinScience
07-30-2008, 11:23 AM
While you can kill the messenger all you'd like, it doesn't change the fact that the author of this letter raises some legitimate concerns.
But I understand why you'd want to change focus away from that and turn this into a "Rob is racist and hates Obama" thread.


Legitimate concerns or not, what makes or breaks the letter is if it was actually written by who you claim it's written by. If it is indeed a forgery, then your case tumbles like a house of cards. The truth, Rob, the truth.

Never said anything about you being racist here, but thanks for bringing it up once again.

funk63
07-30-2008, 03:13 PM
I haven't said anything negative about Obama in this thread or since the primaries, in fact I've been coming around to Obama's side recently (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=87741).


Ohama is underrated.

funk63
07-30-2008, 03:15 PM
eh that was uncalled for nvm

RobMoney$
07-30-2008, 05:37 PM
Legitimate concerns or not, what makes or breaks the letter is if it was actually written by who you claim it's written by. If it is indeed a forgery, then your case tumbles like a house of cards. The truth, Rob, the truth.


Why does it really matter who wrote it? The only reason you're interested is so you can assassinate their character as well instead of DEALING WITH THE TOPICS RAISED IN THE LETTER!

It's like Obama is the Great Oz and you're afraid to question or criticize him in any way? Isn't that the purpose of an election campaign, to question and debate the policies of the candidates for the purpose of finding the best?

QueenAdrock
07-30-2008, 05:51 PM
It's like Obama is the Great Oz and you're afraid to question or criticize him in any way?

In response to Brett openly critisizing Obama's FISA vote:
I can't help but be annoyed by people who openly supported Obama who are already criticizing his decisions.

Sometimes there's just no winning. If you criticize him, you're abandoning your candidate. If you don't criticize him, it's because he's some kind of God and you're "afraid" to see fault in him.

DroppinScience
07-30-2008, 05:53 PM
Why does it really matter who wrote it? The only reason you're interested is so you can assassinate their character as well instead of DEALING WITH THE TOPICS RAISED IN THE LETTER!


Actually, it matters a lot because you're touting this whole thing as some sort of big-wig DNC insider is unhappy with the Obama camp. Yet as Documad has pointed out, we don't have the name of the person, it's only circulated on blogs and it hasn't made it into the news cycle. Already we have some credibility issues (you're not even linking where it's come from so for all we know, it could be some sort of Swift Boat group).

It's just a matter of honesty and transparency that we know where it comes from. It's our right to know and is crucial for the observer in determining whether it's of substance or just insubstancial fluff. When probed, you dodge the question and just want to talk about the content of the letter and not who it may or may not have come from. Is that really so hard to grasp?

As for the actual letter itself and its points, it doesn't sound like anything out of the ordinary that someone from the Clinton or McCain camps would say about him being "inexperienced." And like your other Obama-bashing posts, is about the same as the rest. The only reason you're posting it is because it's supposedly from some high-ranking money man (which brings us back to why it matters who actually wrote it).

And why do you always think we don't exercise critical thinking when it comes to Obama? If you've actually read anything, you'd see a lot of criticism of Obama for FISA, Israel, Wal-Mart, etc. But all of that is conveniently forgotten when YOU are called out for your shenanigans.

RobMoney$
07-30-2008, 06:17 PM
LOL @ the DSQA tag-team duo thing you've got going on. Do you share the computer when making a tag-team post, or do you have seperate computers?

I'm not some DNC insider. I don't know who wrote this, nor do I care. I have in no way endorsed it either. I recieved it in an e-mail foward from my sister (who happens to be an Obama supporter in case you were interested).
She sent it to me because the content is interesting, not because she's endorsing the point of view of the author.
I posted it here for the same reason. I thought it would make interesting conversation. Apparently I'm not the only one talking about this piece on the internet.
So there it is, as transparent as I can be about this. That's the "shennanigans" I'm up to, trying to spark some intelligent debate about politics. Sue me.

It doesn't matter to me if it was major DNC contributer, some unknown housewife in some trailerpark, or HRC herself. The Emil Brown stuff is something that could change a person's mind about supporting Obama and something that should be expanded on.

Bob
07-30-2008, 06:20 PM
In response to Brett openly critisizing Obama's FISA vote:


Sometimes there's just no winning. If you criticize him, you're abandoning your candidate. If you don't criticize him, it's because he's some kind of God and you're "afraid" to see fault in him.

she has a point there rob

DroppinScience
07-30-2008, 06:25 PM
It doesn't matter to me if it was major DNC contributer, some unknown housewife in some trailerpark, or HRC herself. The Emil Brown stuff is something that could change a person's mind about supporting Obama and something that should be expanded on.

If you were a responsible poster and you wanted to discuss this "letter," you'd post it and say it claims to be from a DNC insider, but you can't verify its authenticity.

You may also want to post a helpful link so we know where it originally came from (18 posts in and we finally learn you got it from your e-mail inbox?). CITE YOUR SOURCES, as your teachers would have told you.

RobMoney$
07-30-2008, 06:29 PM
she has a point there rob

ehh...pot...kettle...black.


I've never seen anyone with more of a vendetta than him. I'm even including alien autopsy in that statement!

I haven't said anything negative about Obama in this thread or since the primaries, in fact I've been coming around to Obama's side recently (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=87741).

DroppinScience
07-30-2008, 06:34 PM
I know we can't see each other's faces on a message board, but that "praise" for Obama you keep linking to sounded extremely sarcastic.

RobMoney$
07-30-2008, 06:36 PM
If you were a responsible poster and you wanted to discuss this "letter," you'd post it and say it claims to be from a DNC insider, but you can't verify its authenticity.

You may also want to post a helpful link so we know where it originally came from (18 posts in and we finally learn you got it from your e-mail inbox?). CITE YOUR SOURCES, as your teachers would have told you.

This is a MB, I'm not submitting my final paper to my Prof., I'm making a fucking thread.

If you had asked where I got it from, I would have shared it immediatley. I couldn't share a link because it was an e-mail, not a website. I ALWAYS post links in any of the threads I start when I use stuff from somewhere else. For the same reason I posted this, because I don't necessarily agree with the author, I just think it would make interesting conversation.

RobMoney$
07-30-2008, 06:37 PM
I know we can't see each other's faces on a message board, but that "praise" for Obama you keep linking to sounded extremely sarcastic.


I suggest maybe it's time you log off. That's what I'm doing.

Good day Sir.

QueenAdrock
07-30-2008, 06:38 PM
LOL @ the DSQA tag-team duo thing you've got going on. Do you share the computer when making a tag-team post, or do you have seperate computers?

Nope, I'm working at the library and he's at home. We're taking to each other via messenger and just so happen to be on the board at the same time. We love each other soooo much that we have to be in contact with each other 24 hours out of the day, minus sleeping, so that's why we're always on at the same time.

Documad
07-30-2008, 07:26 PM
It's crazy how many people have copied this thing onto blogs and how many boards are having this same discussion, including people on some football board. It's good to see how many of the non-Clinton boards are questioning the authorship. I love seeing critical thinking skills in action. That can be lacking on the internet (and in politics).