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DroppinScience
08-20-2008, 11:25 AM
I don't know whether this would be reality, but there's suggestions that Kennedy, yeah JFK's daughter -- who is formally leading the search for Obama's running mate -- should be Obama's VP. A move like that would be similar to Bush choosing Cheney (he was also leading the search for Bush's running mate in 2000).

One of the biggest proponents of this is Michael Moore.

Here's his open letter to Ms. Kennedy.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/20/11081/

Published on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 by MichaelMoore.com
‘Caroline: Pull a Cheney!’
An Open Letter to Caroline Kennedy (head of the Obama VP search team) from Michael Moore
by Michael Moore

Dear Caroline,

We’ve never met, so I hope you don’t find this letter too presumptuous or inappropriate. As its contents involve the public’s business, I am sending this to you via the public on the Internet. I knew your brother John. He was a great guy, and I know he would’ve had a ball during this thrilling and historic election year. We all miss him dearly.

Barack Obama selected you to head up his search for a vice presidential candidate. It appears we may be just days (hours?) away from learning who that choice will be.

The media is reporting that Senator Obama has narrowed his alternatives to three men: Joe Biden, Evan Bayh and Tim Kaine. They’re all decent fellows, but they are far from the core of what the Obama campaign has been about: Change. Real change. Out with the old. And don’t invade countries that pose no threat to us.

Senators Biden and Bayh voted for that invasion and that war, the war Barack ran against, the war Barack reminded us was the big difference between him and Senator Clinton because she voted for the war and he spoke out against it while running for Senate (a brave and bold thing to do back in 2002).

For Obama to place either of these senators on the ticket would be a huge blow to the millions that chose him in the primaries over Hillary. He will undercut one of the strongest advantages he has over the Hundred-Year War senator, Mr. McCain. By anointing a VP who did what McCain did in throwing us into this war, Mr. Obama will lose the moral high ground in the debates.

As for Governor Kaine of Virginia, his big problem is, well, Obama’s big problem — who is he? The toughest thing Barack has had to overcome — and it will continue to be his biggest obstacle — is that too many of the voters simply don’t know him well enough to vote for him. The fact that Obama is new to the scene is both one of his most attractive qualities AND his biggest drawback. Too many Americans, who on the surface seem to like Barack Obama, just don’t feel comfortable voting for someone who hasn’t been on the national scene very long. It’s a comfort level thing, and it may be just what keeps Obama from winning in November (”I’d rather vote for the devil I know than the devil I don’t know”).

What Obama needs is a vice presidential candidate who is NOT a professional politician, but someone who is well-known and beloved by people across the political spectrum; someone who, like Obama, spoke out against the war; someone who has a good and generous heart, who will be cheered by the rest of the world; someone whom we’ve known and loved and admired all our lives and who has dedicated her life to public service and to the greater good for all.

That person, Caroline, is you.

I cannot think of a more winning ticket than one that reads: “OBAMA-KENNEDY.”

Caroline, I know that nominating yourself is the furthest idea from your mind and not consistent with who you are, but there would be some poetic justice to such an action. Just think, eight years after the last head of a vice presidential search team looked far and wide for a VP — and then picked himself (a move topped only by his hubris to then lead the country to near ruin while in office) — along comes Caroline Kennedy to return the favor with far different results, a vice president who helps restore America to its goodness and greatness.

Caroline, you are one of the most beloved and respected women in this country, and you have been so admired throughout your life. You chose a life outside of politics, to work for charities and schools, to write and lecture, to raise a wonderful family. But you did not choose to lead a private life. You have traveled the world and met with its leaders, giving you much experience on the world stage, a stage you have been on since you were a little girl.

The nation has, remarkably (considering our fascination with celebrity), left you alone and let you live your life in peace. (It’s like, long ago, we all collectively agreed that, with her father tragically gone, a man who died because he wanted to serve his country, we would look out for her, we would wish for her to be happy and well, and we would have her back. But we would let her be.)

Now, I am breaking this unwritten code and asking you to come forward and help us in our hour of need. So many families are hurting, losing their homes, going bankrupt with health care bills, seeing their public schools in shambles and living with this war without end. This is a historic year for women, from Hillary’s candidacy to the numerous women running for the House and Senate. This is the year that a woman should be on the Democratic ticket. This is the year that both names on that ticket should be people OUTSIDE the party machine. This is the year millions of independents and, yes, millions of Republicans are looking for something new and fresh and bold (and you are the Kennedy Republicans would vote for!).

This is the moment, Caroline. Seize it! And Barack, if you’re reading this, you probably know that she is far too humble and decent to nominate herself. So step up and surprise us again. Step up and be different than every politician we have witnessed in our lifetime. Keep the passion burning amongst the young people and others who have been energized by your unexpected, unpredicted, against-all-odds candidacy that has ignited and inspired a nation. Do it for all those reasons. Make Caroline Kennedy your VP. “Obama-Kennedy.” Wow, does that sound so cool.

Caroline, thanks for letting me intrude on your life. How wonderful it will be to have a vice president who will respect the Constitution, who will support (instead of control) her president, who will never let her staff out a CIA agent, and who will never tell her country that she is “currently residing in an undisclosed location.”

Say it one more time: “OBAMA-KENNEDY.” A move like that might send a message to the country that the Democrats would actually like to win an election for once.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com

[Get Michael Moore’s brand new book, ‘Mike’s Election Guide.’]

I think she'd be better than Biden or Bayh, and probably better than Tim Kaine. But is this just a pipe dream? Perhaps.

abcdefz
08-20-2008, 11:31 AM
What's wrong with Echewta?

QueenAdrock
08-20-2008, 11:37 AM
Yeah, I'm not too excited about the prospects I've been hearing. I don't know much about Kennedy, but it'd definitely be unexpected (well, not so much now) and interesting.

I wonder if he's just going to pull someone completely from left field. I like Biden alright, don't know much about Bayh, but they're both kind of 'meh' to me.

Burnout18
08-20-2008, 11:38 AM
no experience, you can't just run on being JFK's daughter... and sorry but other then being the person who represents her family at former presidents funerals, and being on the obama's vice president search team, i can't think of anything she has done politically..... obama still has to deal with his "experience" attacks from the right, picking kennedy won't help, this is just too idealistic.

abcdefz
08-20-2008, 11:50 AM
Colin Powell.

That ticket would be unbeatable.

DroppinScience
08-20-2008, 12:11 PM
no experience, you can't just run on being JFK's daughter... and sorry but other then being the person who represents her family at former presidents funerals, and being on the obama's vice president search team, i can't think of anything she has done politically..... obama still has to deal with his "experience" attacks from the right, picking kennedy won't help, this is just too idealistic.

Yeah perhaps. She's not an elected official and has never been. But she is the founder of the "Profiles in Courage Award," president of the JFK Library, and has various involvements with Commission of Presidential Debates, NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, Harvard Institute of Politics, etc. So, to me, she's involved in some good things, just perhaps outside of what Washington looks for in presidents and vice-presidents.

Yeah, she's being floated around because of her family, but then again Bush ran only on his family name, so ya never know, right? :P

saz
08-20-2008, 12:30 PM
bayh and kaine would be horrible selections. here's a short column (http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/95225/evan_bayh%3A_worst_choice_for_vp_/) by david sirota concerning bayh's lameness.

biden would be kind of meh. kathleen sebelius might be an interesting pick. but perhaps obama should pick and would really be better off with selecting either hillary, for the so-called "dream" or unity ticket; or wesley clark, who would easily counter and overwhelm mccain's military experience and credentials, and would definitely put arkansas into play for the dems. i'm not particularly crazy or fans of either, but they'd sure be better options overall for the dems than the so-called frontrunners like bayh or kaine.

abcdefz
08-20-2008, 12:38 PM
They're better than Rose O'Donnell.

AceFace
08-20-2008, 12:52 PM
i LOVE Kaine! LOVE him!

not just b/c i'm from VA and voted for him.

yeahwho
08-20-2008, 12:53 PM
How about Chelsea Clinton or Amy Carter? They would much better influence votes in the Southern States.

Ideally Paris Hilton. Or Brittany Spears.

RobMoney$
08-20-2008, 07:13 PM
I think it's a great idea. It would virtually guarantee a McCain victory.

The concerns about Obama's obsession with celebrity and ego would pretty much be substantiated with a decision such as this.

Perhaps he could see what Bono has planned for the next four to eight years?

DroppinScience
08-20-2008, 08:07 PM
I think it's a great idea. It would virtually guarantee a McCain victory.

The concerns about Obama's obsession with celebrity and ego would pretty much be substantiated with a decision such as this.

Perhaps he could see what Bono has planned for the next four to eight years?

I thought you were someone (back when you pretended to be a Democrat or at least grudgingly was willing to vote Democrat... it's difficult to know where you truly stand on anything) who actually admired JFK and the Kennedys? Now you're saying that the daughter of Camelot would only make you support McCain further?

Only you know what makes you tick, I guess.

QueenAdrock
08-20-2008, 08:26 PM
I honestly think that Obama will pick someone out of left field, someone who no one's thought of. It's not his style to pick someone common and expected, which is why I don't see him picking Bayh or Biden. I'd like to see Richard Clarke as a running mate. And I still like Wesley Clark, too. I have a soft spot for them Clarks, I suppose.

Burnout18
08-21-2008, 01:16 PM
Yeah, she's being floated around because of her family, but then again Bush ran only on his family name, so ya never know, right? :P

yea haha, i get that point... but its too easy for the right to attack.... like rob money said, it would prolly garentee a mccain victory.

NoFenders
08-21-2008, 01:57 PM
Nice love letter from Moore there. lol


He's such a sap.


:cool:

yeahwho
08-21-2008, 04:03 PM
Nice love letter from Moore there. lol


He's such a sap.


:cool:

Sort of like your Glenn Beck love letter. lol

He's such a sap.

:cool:

NoFenders
08-22-2008, 12:34 PM
Never saw Beck write a letter to anyone quite like that.

:cool:

yeahwho
08-22-2008, 06:24 PM
Never saw Beck write a letter to anyone quite like that.

:cool:

Yeah I know it's unfair to compare the two, Michael Moore and Glenn Beck. Glenn is sort of a minor player in the media game. Glenn published this hilarious book, An Inconvenient Book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Book). That cover is pretty ROTFLOL stuff.

Where does he come up with all this funny stuff?

RobMoney$
08-24-2008, 01:38 PM
I thought you were someone (back when you pretended to be a Democrat or at least grudgingly was willing to vote Democrat... it's difficult to know where you truly stand on anything) who actually admired JFK and the Kennedys? Now you're saying that the daughter of Camelot would only make you support McCain further?

Only you know what makes you tick, I guess.


What's so hard to understand?

Caroline Kennedy has about the same qualifications for the VP seat as Michael Jordans' son does for playing two-guard for the Chicago Bulls, or Bobby Deniro's son does for an Oscar.


Thanks for illustrating you fascination with celebrity over substance so perfectly.