The Green Thread

[b i o n i c]

sometimes i think this whole green thing is something made up to get people to use less products, make them more expensive, in the end spend more money. on the other hand i watched inconvenient truth and other shit that make me feel like either way, living like everything's disposable isnt good on any level.

i have a mulch in the yard, i dont use plastic bags when possible - especially when i buy a pack of gum and the cashier like immediately throws that shit in a double plastic bag with a four foot long reciept. i don't drive more than necessary, i train, skate or bike most of the time. i eat lots of vegetables, not so much packaged food. i recycle. shit, i even piss on bushes when possible. does any of this matter when exponentially more garbage is being made every minute? when it could take the rest of the developing world 50 years to come around to being "eco-friendly"?

now there are these turbine things you put on your roof (http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/07/02/philippe-starck%E2%80%99s-designer-windmill-for-all/) that can supposedly power a house for under $1000. i can see getting three of those in the next few years. i could go for some geothermal cooling/heating action (http://www.geoutilities.net/why.html).

i think a full on electric car (http://www.teslamotors.com/) is the way to go, except not without changes to electric grids, seeing as just lots of air-conditioners in the summer can bust a blackout over half a country. still, electricity is the most flexible system as it can be made a thousand different ways.

yeah, there probably should be a green forum. imma go back to burning styrofoam while the raging fireplace and full-blast airconditioner duke it out(y)

/end rant

[ms.peachy]

yeah, there probably should be a green forum.

You know what, that's not a bad idea. Write to the webmasters and ask them if they think it's feasible. The parenting forum I frequent has one and it is a great way to get tips, find out about particular products, etc. from peers.

[Myu-to]

This post is made from recycled posts.

[jackrock]

I grow all of my own food.

[Myu-to]

I grow all of my own food.
Toe jam?

[abcdefz]

I found out recently that just because a plastic product has the recycle symbol and number on it doesn't
automatically mean it can go in with your recyclables. Only two can, if I remember right. But I still haven't
gotten into the habit of sorting those things apart. They're lucky enough that I rinse out bottles and cans.

[yeahwho]

I grow all of my own food.

Toe jam?

Dingle Berries?

[abcdefz]

Dirty pillows.

[MC Moot]

Baby steps,way to be London,the city I live in still does not have curbside recycling,shame,shame,shame:

Toronto joining ranks of Cdn cities considering ban on sale of bottled water

TORONTO — Toronto mayor David Miller says the city is joining the ranks of Canadian municipalities considering a ban on the sale of bottled water.

Miller says city council will examine how the city can curb bottled water waste as part of a larger effort to reduce the amount of garbage that ends up in landfills.

A report outlining the city's options will come before council in November.

Miller says Toronto's tap water is more pure than the leading brand of bottled water.

His comments come after the city of London, Ont., banned the sale of water bottles in their municipal buildings on Monday.

Other Canadian cities, such as Kitchener, Ottawa, and Vancouver, have all expressed interest in a similar ban.

[Freebasser]

This post is made from recycled posts.

Com-post?

[Myu-to]

Dingle Berries?
Dick cheese?

[yeahwho]

yeah, there probably should be a green forum. imma go back to burning styrofoam while the raging fireplace and full-blast airconditioner duke it out(y)

/end rant

It's always nice to throw in a few aerosol cans into the fireplace when burning styro-foam, they explode on impact with the ignition heat and all.

I do agree with a green forum. Nothing is more legitimate than easing our burden on Mother Earth. When George Bush told America to start shopping after 9/11 his support base went out and purchased full sized SUV"s (http://articles.latimes.com/2001/nov/02/business/fi-64509) and Homes (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/06/20030613.html). The end result being a hell of a hangover here in 2008.

It would be nice to sort of gather our thoughts, I'm sure we'll be snickered at. Let's bring on the snickering.

[yeahwho]

Dick cheese?

Goiter Sauce?

[Myu-to]

Goiter Sauce?
Lung butter?

[yeahwho]

Lung butter?
Spleen Pie?

[Myu-to]

Spleen Pie?
Kidney beans?

[b i o n i c]

It's always nice to throw in a few aerosol cans into the fireplace when burning styro-foam, they explode on impact with the ignition heat and all.

im thinking of buying an unwanted hummer and filling it with hundred dollar bills before i light it on fire. i think we should get more efficient about burning money. maybe throw a few styrofoam insulated aerosol cans in there for fun(y)

[yeahwho]

im thinking of buying an unwanted hummer and filling it with hundred dollar bills before i light it on fire. i think we should get more efficient about burning money. maybe throw a few styrofoam insulated aerosol cans in there for fun(y)

Are you snickering me?

[funk63]

Dingle Berries?

Its funny because theres this guy I knew who we could of sworn had dingleberries, because of his smell. We called him the smuckers bandit. He smuggled jelly packets in his backpack that he stole from the lunchline. Real fatass.

[Bjork]

It's too fucking late anyway.

[b i o n i c]

yeah, fuck it

[Bjork]

exactly, fuck it.

[Myu-to]

meh, fuck it.

[mathcart]

It's too fucking late anyway.

This is not exactly true, but its close- changing all of the habits of individuals in the world to totally sustainable eco-friendly (whatever the fuck that means) ways would only be a drop in the bucket in terms of stemming the climate change and human footprint on the planet because of the way that INDUSTRY is polluting, destroying and short sightedly using it for profit without regards to future use. Most large US corporations are not even close to operating "sustainably" and the ones operating in third world (read: mostly unregulated and fairly powerless to stop the industrial destruction of there own environment) are even worse. Lets not even get into the impact that China is and will continue to have on the planet over the next 50 years, about the same length of time that some estimates have all low lying coastal areas becoming uninhabitable due to flooding and rising seas- you know the same areas that most of the human populace of the planet lives in!
Look I recycle and have even become a cloth bag nerd- I just can't believe that the near catastrophic problem the earth is facing is that I was using too many god-damn plastic bags and not that Industries have had a free reign to poison, pollute, contaminate, deforest and generally fuck shit up for the past 150 years!
I find the whole celebrity based "green" movement highly dubious at best at outright co-option and working for "The (polluting) Man" at worst.

Signed,
Cantankerous Crank-ass ol' Cuss
:mad:

[Bjork]

Well global warming was proposed to the public in 1896 and no one listen then.

Now that Al Gore and Leonardo Di Capro who are in the limelight have come forth and made it an issue, people are now listening.

I do my part as well, but it was before "global warming" became a product.
I recycle everything ...
compost ...
I don't buy processed foods often ....
I have cloth bags for Whole Foods and Trader Joes ...
I buy most of my fruit and vegetables from local farmers ....
Use minimal lights, wash less ... drive less .....

I still feel like it is just buying a little more time, it's not going to stop what's already started.

[kaiser soze]

It would be nice to think climate change can start on an individual level and it is nice to see people trying to be better eco-citizens. We know that pollution is much worse on an industrial level...but what does this mean? Better computers, housewares, clothing, communications, houses, cars etc. etc. So who stops the process? The consumer or the business creating the products the consumer continues to consume? Innovation will not come clean...

My girlfriend and I have spoken about making our future home more ecologically friendly: solar, recycled rain water, wind energy, using renewable woods (bamboo) and recycled materials, a green house, composting, gardening, bee keeping, ducks for eggs, etc. etc. Obviously this will won't be cheap and the ideology out reaches the rational.

Here's some food for thought:

Helix Wind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9flSPAdOLk)

Scrap House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX4UX7l7OA4)

E-muscle Car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX4UX7l7OA4)

[kaiser soze]

eww garbage island!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-MivNezes

[yeahwho]

Some of the ideas presented here are so much more refreshing than the political and scientific debate that I usually get buried in when posting in the political forum. It's always debating about whether human influence is part of global warming. Generally it's fucking inane and ridiculous to go on and on with the social and political impact of why our planet is heating up, it's a good idea to get over it and start living in some sort of solution.

So yeah, double fuck it with dingle berries on top, lets star a green forum.

[yeahwho]

I think we should call the new green forum "Chubby Rain"

[HEIRESS]

I always feel excellent about the fact that I have never owned a vehicle yet in my lifetime.

[jabumbo]

it looks like we need to vacation in kyoto again!

[hellojello]

My girlfriend and I have spoken about making our future home more ecologically friendly: recycled rain water, ]

recycled from what :confused:

[roosta]

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[kaiser soze]

I always feel excellent about the fact that I have never owned a vehicle yet in my lifetime.

So that explains why you're so wild ;)

[Dorothy Wood]

I don't drive and I mostly drink tap water. I'm just hoping that offsets my paper towel addiction.

[TurdBerglar]

you know what would be better than trying to be "green"?


stop reproducing

[Drederick Tatum]

I've been writing emails instead of sending letters. I'm doing my bit.

[Videodrome]

i've been using the same condom since high school.

[beastieangel01]

I do what I can when I can. Money permitting. I love that I live in an area that is very conscious of such things though, it makes it a lot easier to put in to practice. And I LOVE that I live close enough to walk to work, bike around (once I can afford to buy a bike), walk to everything I need and if I want to go out I can walk to places and/or take BART and the like.

Love. It.

[b i o n i c]

paper towels are such a goddang waste...

... these make a lot more sense (http://www.skoycloth.com/)

[b i o n i c]

stop buying razors, shave the old fashioned way with a straight-edge razor (http://zenhabits.net/2007/12/the-zen-of-shaving-how-a-double-edge-razor-can-change-your-life/)

.. that guy looks like bob


im getting one of those and doing it that way. updates to come (y)

[Randetica]

i wouldnt shave my pussy with that..unless i want to get circumcised

[Bob]

i've been using the same condom since high school.

i've been doing one better than that

stop buying razors, shave the old fashioned way with a straight-edge razor (http://zenhabits.net/2007/12/the-zen-of-shaving-how-a-double-edge-razor-can-change-your-life/)

.. that guy looks like bob


im getting one of those and doing it that way. updates to come (y)

true story, i shaved today (which is important because i was bearded up until now)

[Randetica]

i got one of those (http://www.makeup.com/store/120/paula_curler.jpg) a few days ago

they probably wont make earth any greener but they sure are old fashioned

[mathcart]

i got one of those (http://www.makeup.com/store/120/paula_curler.jpg) a few days ago

they probably wont make earth any greener but they sure are old fashioned

old fashioned torture device?!?
(n)

[Randetica]

old fashioned torture device?!?
(n)

where do you see a torture

[mathcart]

I know what that things for- it just looks so much like an implement of destruction to me!
:p

[b i o n i c]

i still havent gotten my fuckin razor and im shaggy as fuck.


ive started skating a lot again, for excercise, or just getting around. i didnt take 2 buses yesterday because of my skates(y)

[funk63]

where do you see a torture

You kidding? That thing looks like a penis head remover.

[venusvenus123]

paper towels are such a goddang waste...

... these make a lot more sense (http://www.skoycloth.com/)

so what's the difference between using one of those and a regular sponge instead of paper towels?
you still have to make a trip to the sink to wash it out when you've used it :confused: paper towels are convenient.

i guess i do my bit. turn off appliances. cut down on dryer use. cut down on car use, rarely use air con. walk my son to school blah blah. but i still enjoy my vices, like a decent, hot shower.... and paper towels :o

i don't get those hybrid lexus cars. my friend seriously thinks she's helping the environment by driving one.
but they still use a ridiculously enormous amount of energy and are wildly inefficient! :confused:

[taquitos]

i got the skoy cloths and i use them.

they're better than sponges because they are thinner and less absorbent, i.e. they don't get as gross. plus they are easy to clean.

[Randetica]

You kidding? That thing looks like a penis head remover.

it's made to shape eyelashes but im sure your dickhead would fit in there

[kaiser soze]

I've been biking to school everyday, I live closer so I am strongly considering venturing out into the snow to get there too, it'll be fun.

Here is something of a bummer....Ford Econetic 65 mpg vehicle will not be released in the U.S.A., diesel fuel cited. But there's talk of "cleaner" diesel out there!

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/09/11/ford-unveils-the-complete-range-of-econetic-vehicles-in-frankfur/

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/ford-econetic-fiesta-diesel-63mpg.php

[kaiser soze]

Magnetic/hybrid bike!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs4GXH5Q3Rk

[b i o n i c]

Get your Prius converted to all-electric/plug-in powered:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/30/hybrid.electric.conversion/

thats pretty effin cool. why doesnt toyota offer that straight from the manufacturer?

[b i o n i c]

this caught my attention from another thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDJpUVlWK0c
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/free%20energy%202.html
http://www.rexresearch.com/christie/christie.htm

when will people ever stock it?
except the guy who they site as some sort of authority who reviewed their project also said nasa nuked jupiter (sorta, in so many worlds). its worth a look, i dunno.


and this:
MOV (http://beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=89389) - someone on this message board has a real idea! im not smart enough to get it, but it looks like something - you go boy.


and this:
a short documentary called "Waste = Food" - (click) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3058533428492266222)
i watched this last night, its friggen amazing. it deserves its own thread

[Hiebz]

I hardly print shit out at work, but see soooo much wasted printouts, it makes me want to kill an iguana. There is a double-sided, low toner option, use it! I bought a Honda Insight with my first well-paying job (not even that big of a salary either 32000 or something like that). My parents still have it since I have moved and really economized when gas was up there at 4 dollars a galloon. I do my best to eat all the food I can and not throw away too much - use the freezer if needed to heat it up later, and let it cool down before putting it back in. Remove cardboard containers from items before putting them in the fridge - takes extra energy to keep them cold. recyle and rinse out items all the time. Don't use lights unless I have to. Do not keep the water running when shaving. Flush the toilet every three times, or make sure it is flushed at the end of the day - huge dumps the exception

finally, amoung other things, make efforts to use less toilet paper - use one sheet at a time - one once, the second once, put them face to face (used side) and use the second side of one again.

[Audio.]

I own a LCD monitor. Its sucks. Not good for drawing. Until good quality starts coming out with a LEGIT product, I say fuck being green. Aside from monitors, I hardly drive or hardly ride my bike - just walk. They really need to improve on these new monitors for graphic artists. I wonder how well the cintiq is?

[Kid Presentable]

I try man, I really try. We use the green grocery bags, eco-friendly lightbulbs, we drive fuel-economic cars, we use fuck all electricity unnecessarily. And it just doesn't seem worth it. There are so many people over-consuming, with their bastard children and families undoing anything good that the two of us might be attempting. I think of the ecological impact alone of nappies (diapers) man, that shit just freaks me out. And yes the nappy (diaper) companies have come up with 'statistics' to say otherwise, but I'm never going to believe that. A big festering heap of plastic that only gets bigger. Awesome.

It really is probably too late. As simple as it may sound, everybody in the world becoming less wasteful in their consumption simply won't happen. This generation of consumers are as bad, if not worse than any before it. I can't think of a way to undo that. We are too dependent on this soft living, on-demand lifestyle to ever feel compelled to challenge ourselves and struggle toward any kind of greater good. And even if it can be done, the real problem as stated earlier in the thread is most likely at an industrial level.

I have another perspective on this; my employer has been marketing emissions reporting software to said heavy industries, and in our department we've had a pretty heavy requirement to research and learn about the impact of emissions trading schemes.. It seems the majority of SE Asian businesses are on board with tracking their emissions; the great uncertainty lies in what will happen once they have to trade in carbon credits. As soon as these initiatives impact the bottom line, I don't think many global businesses will be prepared to follow suit. That's our lot for attempting to 'lead' the way with the NGERS (National Greenhouse Emissions Reporting) act. It will at the very least be a clear and auditable failure for the rest of the planet to reject in light of 'best practices'. Quite a bit therefore hinges on successful implementation of carbon emissions reporting schemes in our portion of the globe; as a 'test market' it's going to make or break the future of similar initiatives.

Ultimately,the dependence on, and tendency toward, financially sustainable rather than ecologically sustainable trade by local and global economies may be too much to overcome. Education of consumers seems to have many at least trying, but I think it will probably be too little, too late. And it's a bit of a shame.

[ericg]

this caught my attention from another thread:

except the guy who they site as some sort of authority who reviewed their project also said nasa nuked jupiter (sorta, in so many worlds). its worth a look, i dunno.


and this:
MOV (http://beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=89389) - someone on this message board has a real idea! im not smart enough to get it, but it looks like something - you go boy.


and this:
a short documentary called "Waste = Food" - (click) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3058533428492266222)
i watched this last night, its friggen amazing. it deserves its own thread


THANX b i o n i c!!
given the state of it all ... the oil war, global warming, monopolies in the auto industry, and people who have no choice but to buy the given vehicles.. i thought mov was in order. it revolutionizes the auto industry by capitalizing on obscure manufacturers of electric, biofuel, and innovative vehicles via an ecooperative that is more flexible and less expensive than flexcar. it has the potential of creating a new american vehicle owned by and for the people with the stock/ capital accrued (national mutual funds) and will help push legislation through with an informed and active public.

i simply need some partners with the wherewithal to professionalize it and make it a go.

i've contacted every org, ass, and avenue only to find advocates of a gridlocked system. it takes so little all considered to make it happen, yet i'm still looking.

[Kid Presentable]

THANX b i o n i c!!
given the state of it all ... the oil war, global warming, monopolies in the auto industry, and people who have no choice but to buy the given vehicles.. i thought mov was in order. it revolutionizes the auto industry by capitalizing on obscure manufacturers of electric, biofuel, and innovative vehicles via an ecooperative that is more flexible and less expensive than flexcar. it has the potential of creating a new american vehicle owned by and for the people with the stock/ capital accrued (national mutual funds) and will help push legislation through with an informed and active public.

i simply need some partners with the wherewithal to professionalize it and make it a go.

i've contacted every org, ass, and avenue only to find advocates of a gridlocked system. it takes so little all considered to make it happen, yet i'm still looking.

Oil companies will destroy any competitor. That's why a rechargeable electric car was developed, but never mass-marketed.

[ericg]

Oil companies will destroy any competitor. That's why a rechargeable electric car was developed, but never mass-marketed.

and how!?! only if people let it happen. that's just why my plan is fool proof. it's small enough to stay under the radar, yet big enough to cause a revolution.

[Kid Presentable]

Except for the whole getting people on board and implementing it part, yeah. Fool proof.

[jennyb]

G R E E N

[b i o n i c]

I hardly print shit out at work, but see soooo much wasted printouts, it makes me want to kill an iguana. There is a double-sided, low toner option, use it!

i used to want to stab myself in the face, it killed me so bad how mofo's waste paper like it grow on trees.... sssshiiiiiit. i remember this one person would make like in indentation change and print out a three sheets for us to compare and look at... to see if it looked ok. fruggen use you goddamn print preview thing, dumb ass! thats what jesus invented monitors for.

i dont get it how jerkies need to see things on paper, we're talking spreadsheets and tps reports here... look at the friggen screen forchrissakes!

I try man, I really try.... <POST>
Ultimately,the dependence on, and tendency toward, financially sustainable rather than ecologically sustainable trade by local and global economies may be too much to overcome. Education of consumers seems to have many at least trying, but I think it will probably be too little, too late. And it's a bit of a shame.

thats awesome how you're doing something, that might (at least) cancel out the assholes printing out reams to look at margins in order to get the perfectly formatted note to put on the office fridge. you might like to watch this. these dude are no kooks (theyre starting to work with ford and nike it looks like), they;re the real deal - again, check this out and you might think slightly more optimistically:

WASTE = FOOD ... short documentary (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3058533428492266222) about engineering the mimicry of nature into consumer design.