Obama/Biden 2008

[jackrock]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/23/biden.democrat.vp.candidate/index.html

(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama has picked Delaware Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate.

The longtime Democratic senator was long considered a likely choice for vice president, but the buzz surrounding him intensified after he returned earlier this week from a two-day trip to the Republic of Georgia after Russian troops invaded.

Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, brings years of experience that could help counter GOP arguments that an Obama administration would be inexperienced on foreign policy.

Biden abandoned his own White House run after a poor showing in Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucuses. He also ran for the 1988 Democratic presidential nomination but dropped out after charges of plagiarism in a stump speech.

The 65-year-old was first elected to the Senate in 1972. Shortly afterwards, his first wife and daughter were killed in a car accident. He considered resigning, but decided to continue with his political career.

Biden is currently serving out his sixth term, making him Delaware's longest-serving senator.

Biden is married and has three children. He received his undergraduate degree from the University of Delaware and got a law degree from Syracuse.

In 1988, Biden suffered an aneurysm and nearly died but has recovered fully.

One of Biden's grandfathers was a Pennsylvania state senator, according to the Almanac of American Politics.

Biden will make his first big speech as the VP candidate on Wednesday, August 27 -- the third night of the Democratic convention.

[yeahwho]

Great Choice, this should bolster his campaign and make many Americans happy. Just a very sound choice.

From an earlier ED/OP piece in the NYTimes this week,

Here's Hoping it Will Be Biden (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/opinion/22brooks.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1219471452-O4AYblpe8Xan15A7pjhvcw)

Working-Class Roots. Biden is a lunch-bucket Democrat. His father was rich when he was young — played polo, cavorted on yachts, drove luxury cars. But through a series of bad personal and business decisions, he was broke by the time Joe Jr. came along. They lived with their in-laws in Scranton, Pa., then moved to a dingy working-class area in Wilmington, Del. At one point, the elder Biden cleaned boilers during the week and sold pennants and knickknacks at a farmer’s market on the weekends.

His son was raised with a fierce working-class pride — no one is better than anyone else. Once, when Joe Sr. was working for a car dealership, the owner threw a Christmas party for the staff. Just as the dancing was to begin, the owner scattered silver dollars on the floor and watched from above as the mechanics and salesmen scrambled about for them. Joe Sr. quit that job on the spot.

Even today, after serving for decades in the world’s most pompous workplace, Senator Biden retains an ostentatiously unpretentious manner. He campaigns with an army of Bidens who seem to emerge by the dozens from the old neighborhood in Scranton. He has disdain for privilege and for limousine liberals — the mark of an honest, working-class Democrat.

Now lets WIN!

[kaiser soze]

McCain loves it too :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8&e

This could go either way.....maybe Obama realized that a strong candidate doesn't have to be one who always agrees with you

[DroppinScience]

Not my first choice, but I know he's a perfectly capable candidate. I just hope he won't make himself a walking gaffe machine (remember his "clean" comment about Obama the first day he filed papers for running for President last year?).

But we're placing too much emphasis on the importance of a VP candidate. Historically speaking, they don't really sway voters one way or the other.

[HotAndWet]

Scranton, Pa.,

!

what what

[yeahwho]

what what

huh huh?

I sure hope Biden can live up to Dick Cheney's high standards as Vice President.

[abcdefz]

Kinda funny -- at their joint appearance today, Obama began to introduce Biden as our "next President."

He quickly corrected himself.

[Burnout18]

Kinda funny -- at their joint appearance today, Obama began to introduce Biden as our "next President."

He quickly corrected himself.

And biden said "United States of Obama-merica"

[abcdefz]

Nuh uh.

He did stumble a few times, though, letting his grammar slop over a little.

[abcdefz]

Oh for Pete's sake...



McCain camp seizes on Obama slip-up
Posted: 04:50 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


The McCain campaign is seizing on Obama's slip-of-the-tongue.
(CNN) – Barack Obama accidentally introduced his running mate Joe Biden as the next president of the
United States Saturday, a slip-of-the-tongue the McCain campaign is calling "Freudian."

“Barack Obama sounded as though he turned over the top spot on the ticket today to his new mentor,
when he introduced Joe Biden as the next president," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said.
"The reality is that nothing has changed since Joe Biden first made his assessment that Barack Obama
is not ready to lead. He wasn’t ready then and he isn’t ready now.”

Another McCain aide told CNN Obama "slipped with the truth that his own experience is too underwhelming
to be president."

The slip-up came earlier Saturday as the Illinois senator introduced Joe Biden for the first time as his
vice presidential candidate, saying "The next president," before quickly correcting.

[ms.peachy]

Yeah, it couldn't possibly be down to the fact that Obama has used the phrase 'next President of the United States' about 400,000,000 times in speeches referring to himself over that past few months, and the phrase 'next Vice-President of the United States' approximately twice. No, it's definitely something far more sinister than habit.

[roosta]

Obama / Osama
Biden / Bin Laden

:eek:

[ToucanSpam]

McCain loves it too :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8&e

This could go either way.....maybe Obama realized that a strong candidate doesn't have to be one who always agrees with you

I just saw that for the first time a couple minutes before I logged on. McCain is a tool.


I don't know that this was the best choice but we'll have to wait and see.

[ericg]

um. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
they both have their pockets lined already for them.
biden's such a line walker in the worst way and obama's the 'mock underdog candidate. you people are picking only from what the establishment gives you. who the fuck still believes in that? that's pretty lame at this point.

no candidates. hell i'd sooner go with the green party point blank. ron paul could still be interesting. but they don't have it where truth and justice have fair play here, as you can at least be witness to in some measure.

it's like watching a movie like the manchurian candidate and you people still don't get it, and never will huh. you'll always go with an overpaid speech writer in the mocked up, superficial reality of it all like there's a good chance. there's got to be something better than this. for real. everything counts.

"fucked up fucked up this is fucked up fucked up"

[ericg]

Obama / Osama
Biden / Bin Laden

:eek:

what a sick twist. the devil's in the details.
watch out. ya betta know.

vs.

".. Stay in your little hole, then coward duck your head
You don't know who you be fuckin with youse better off...dead
Is what I say, best run the other way
In case of physical breakdown...y'all can break now
My kitchen full of heat, if you can't take the temp
Make yourself exempt
Pussy footin around don't be gettin y'all nowhere but stuck
Nowhere to duck, pull his file, niggaz die
By gettin blasted, how drastic
They got the nerve to ask me why I do the things I do
I got the nerve to serve you up just like a raider do, but naw (naw, naw)
I take that back, that's my problem
Turnin and walkin away, this ain't gon work when they be robbin
As long as Big Boi's still livin, never standin by my lonesome
Step up nigga, if you want some..."

[ericg]

i know yauch posted the obama deal and you feel validated. i'll have to say it had to be more of an objectionable way of saying don't vote for hitlary or mccain (where's mcable?) to all the 'simpletons' out there. still, making the best of something that is incapable of being the best is a rough way to go.

i'd sooner go with winton marsalis.

[ericg]

"Keep your eyes on my bum-bum-bum-bum-bum(p)
...
Who is the best, I don't have to ask ya
When I come out you won't even matter
Why you act dumb like ""Uh, duh""
So you act dumb like ""Uh, duh""
As the drummer boy go ba-rom-pop-pom-pom
Give you some-some-some of this Cinnabun
..."

[NoFenders]

But what about Caroline and her pen pal Moore?? lol

I'm happy he's made a choice.

:cool:

[ericg]

you're happy that he's made a choice? how 'status quo' of you.
that says a whole lot (n)

sorry i'm being serious. who else?!

[NoFenders]

Maybe I should have made it rhyme.

I really think it should have been Caroline though. That way they could have marketed it as the inexperienced experience.

:cool:

[ericg]

i don't even know what that means
but do try to rhyme if you would please.

[Randetica]

"obama supports dog fighting bill"

is that true or just made up from the anti obama side?

[yeahwho]

I found Obama's introduction of Joe to be kind of funny.

"In Biden, we have a mainstream White American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man".

[NoFenders]

Story book? Like a fairy tale? What's his point? He thinks he's sexy?

:cool:

[yeahwho]

Story book? Like a fairy tale? What's his point? He thinks he's sexy?

:cool:

It was sposed to be funny. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/)

[NoFenders]

Do these guys know each other??

:cool:

[yeahwho]

Do these guys know each other??

:cool:

I don't think they have tapped each others feet under airport bathroom stalls like a certain republican senator likes to, but yes they're acquaintances who both have worked in the senate.

I doubt they are as chummy as Cheney/Bush were and have been. Biden gets things done and is everything McCain says he is. In a sense I wish Biden were debating McCain, but I know Obama will be ultimately prepared now to deal with whatever the republicans have planned.

This is a blast if you follow the race with the proper perspective, and as I've said before, who the hell is undecided? What more do you need to know about the Republicans since the lesson that's been given the past 7 years after 9/11?

[NoFenders]

I don't think they have tapped each others feet under airport bathroom stalls like a certain republican senator likes to, but yes they're acquaintances who both have worked in the senate.

Wait! Obama worked while he was in Senate?? News to me. But I guess in other words, they don't know each other.


This is a blast if you follow the race with the proper perspective, and as I've said before, who the hell is undecided? What more do you need to know about the Republicans since the lesson that's been given the past 7 years after 9/11?

It's a blast in any perspective really. Entertaining through and through.

Who the hell is undecided?? Try getting out more, you'll learn something through an "experience".

I can tell ya this much though. I'm not thinking anything about Obama. He's all hope, and no go. I need more than wishful thinking to get through a day. Some love it though. I guess that's why fiction sells so well.

:cool:

[yeahwho]

McSame or Hopebama?

I'll take the hope.

[NoFenders]

Ok, that's lame even for you. ;)


:cool:

[yeahwho]

huh

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by NoFenders View Post
Ok, that's lame even for you.
OK. I concur. I'll go slap myself silly and take a cold shower. Then come back as the bitch I should be.

[ericg]

Barack O'Bilderberg and Joe Biden time we don't have will not appreciate this country.

[Randetica]

"obama supports dog fighting bill"

is that true or just made up from the anti obama side?

so?

[yeahwho]

"obama supports dog fighting bill"

is that true or just made up from the anti obama side?

so?

Dog fighting bill? Like a wrestler named "Dog Fighting Bill"? No pro dog-fighting bills have ever been sent to the senate in the history of the USA. So no, quite the opposite, as his own site attests (http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/weneedobama08/gGC4th). Though it was legal during the Colonial period in the US, and up until the early 19th century tolerated. But Dog Fighting has ever since that period been outlawed plus continuously regulated stiffer fines and sentences.

I think a sense of humor may of gotten some right wing bloggers all foamed up, this is how that rumor got started from NY Knick's point guard Stephon Marbury's wiki blog.

Give it a read, it's good. (http://www.zimbio.com/Stephon+Marbury/articles/19/BARACK+OBAMA+Defends+Michael+Vick+Dog+Fighting)

[Randetica]

some animal activist wrote that and there was more but i couldnt read it cause there was an auto starting brutal video in the middle of the text

and thank you

[ericg]

this is a pretty interesting blog.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=103413920&blogID=427996374

good credit. nope
more bad credit. yep

all you have to do is google 'biden credit card'
it's all over

[ericg]

Obama and McCain: Pawns of the Global Elite?



By Patrick Wood, Editor



Will it matter if Obama or McCain are elected in November? Hardly.




Both are rigidly backed by important members of the Trilateral Commission who hijacked the Executive Branch of the U.S. government starting in 1976 with the election of Jimmy Carter.




In Obama's case, Zbigniew Brzezinski (co-founder of the Commission in 1973) is emerging as his principal advisor on foreign policy. Ex-Fed Chairman Paul Volker has made a once-in-a-lifetime, glowing endorsement of Obama. Madelyn Albright is seen sitting next to Obama in several conferences. Shoot, even Jimmy Carter himself endorses Obama. All are top members of the Commission.




John McCain is being supported by several Trilateral Commission giants including: Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, Lawrence Eagleburger and Alexander Haig. All of these are ex-Secretaries of State who issued a joint endorsement of McCain early-on in his campaign.




And, unless Obama shoots both of his own feet (or…?) before the general presidential election in November, he is most likely to be the next president of the United States.




You would think that Americans would want to know who the "special interests" are that are embodied by this Trilateral Commission, and what they intend to do or not do with America.




What is the Trilateral Commission?



The Trilateral Commission was founded by the persistent maneuvering of David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski in 1973.
Rockefeller was chairman of the ultra-powerful Chase Manhattan Bank, a director of many major multinational corporations and "endowment funds" and had long been a central figure in the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Brzezinski, a brilliant prognosticator of one-world idealism, was a professor at Columbia University and the author of several books that have served as "policy guidelines" for the Trilateral Commission.




Brzezinski served as the Commission's first executive director from its inception in 1973 until late 1976 when he was appointed by President Jimmy Carter as Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.




The initial Commission membership was approximately three hundred, with roughly one hundred each from Europe, Japan and North America. Membership was also roughly divided between academics, politicians and corporate magnates; these included international bankers, leaders of prominent labor unions and corporate directors of media giants.




The word commission was puzzling since it is usually associated with instrumentalities set up by governments. It seemed out of place with a so-called private group unless we could determine that it really was an arm of a government - an unseen government, different from the visible government in Washington. European and Japanese involvement indicated a world government rather than a national government. We hoped that the concept of a sub-rosa world government was just wishful thinking on the part of the Trilateral Commissioners. The facts, however, lined up quite pessimistically.




If the Council on Foreign Relations could be said to be a spawning ground for the concepts of one-world idealism, then the Trilateral Commission was the "task force" assembled to assault the beachheads. Already the Commission had placed its members in the top posts the U.S. had to offer.




Jimmy Carter: The first Trilateral president



President James Earl Carter, the country politician who promised, "I will never lie to you," was chosen to join the Commission by Brzezinski in 1973. It was Brzezinski, in fact, who first identified Carter as presidential timber, and subsequently educated him in economics, foreign policy, and the ins-and-outs of world politics. Upon Carter's election, Brzezinski was appointed assistant to the president for national security matters. Commonly, he was called the head of the National Security Council because he answered only to the president - some said Brzezinski held the second most powerful position in the U.S.




Carter's running mate, Walter Mondale, was also a member of the Commission. (If you are trying to calculate the odds of three virtually unknown men, out of over sixty Commissioners from the U.S., capturing the three most powerful positions in the land, don't bother. Your calculations will be meaningless.
)



On January 7, 1977 Time Magazine, whose editor-in-chief, Hedley Donovan was a powerful Trilateral, named President Carter "Man of the Year.
" The sixteen-page article in that issue not only failed to mention Carter's connection with the Commission but also stated the following:



..
....

"As he searched for Cabinet appointees, Carter seemed at times hesitant and frustrated disconcertingly out of character. His lack of ties to Washington and the Party Establishment - qualities that helped raise him to the White House - carry potential dangers. He does not know the Federal Government or the pressures it creates. He does not really know the politicians whom he will need to help him run the country.
"

..

Was this portrait of Carter as a political innocent simply inaccurate or was it deliberately misleading? By December 25, 1976 - two weeks before the Time article appeared - Carter had already chosen his cabinet. Three of his cabinet members – Cyrus Vance, Michael Blumenthal, and Harold Brown - were Trilateral Commissioners; and the other non-Commission members were not unsympathetic to Commission objectives and operations.
In addition, Carter had appointed another fourteen Trilateral Commissioners to top government posts, including:


..
..
..C.
Fred Bergsten (Under Secretary of Treasury)
..James Schlesinger (Secretary of Energy)
..Elliot Richardson (Delegate to Law of the Sea)
..Leonard Woodcock (Chief envoy to China)
..Andrew Young (Ambassador to the United Nations).
......

As of 25 December 1976, therefore, there were nineteen Trilaterals, including Carter and Mondale, holding tremendous political power. These presidential appointees represented almost one-third of the Trilateral Commission members from the United States.
The odds of that happening "by chance" are beyond calculation!



Realities of the New World Order



In 1972, Brzezinski's wrote that "nation-state as a fundamental unit of man's organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.
"
The late Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) was one of a very few people who understood what Brzezinski was alluding to, when he issued a clear and precise warning in his 1979 book, With No Apologies:


..
....

"The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power – political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical.
"

..

Trilateral Entrenchment: 1980-2008



Every Administration since Carter has had top-level Trilateral Commission representation through the President or Vice-President, or both! George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Dick Cheney are all members.




In turn, these have appointed their Trilateral cronies to top positions in their Administrations.




For instance, six out of seven World Bank presidents have been members of the Commission.
Eight out of ten USTR's (U.S. Trade Representative) have been members.




Secretaries of State include Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, Alexander Haig, George Schultz, Lawrence Eagleburger, Warren Christopher and Madeleine Albright. Yep, all members of the Trilateral Commission.




Follow the money, follow the power



You decide which is scarier: Obama and Brzezinski or McCain and Henry Kissinger?



Either way, Americans will continue to lose…



Every major crisis we face today is directly attributable to policies put forth and executed by members of this Trilateral Commission: Banking/lending/mortgage crisis, energy/gas price crisis, food/shortage/price crisis.




In addition, in the last fifteen to twenty years we have lost of millions of prime manufacturing jobs to China, India and Mexico. Our prime assets are being purchased by sovereign wealth funds and foreign investors. Our currency has all but been destroyed throughout the world.




Remember Brzezinski's vision that "international banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state"?



Well, that's been true enough.
But, for all their acting and planning at the expense of our own prosperity and Sovereignty, who wants or needs more of the same under Obama or McCain? With friends like this, who needs enemies?



For several Presidential elections now, this writer has voted according to the philosophy of voting for the "lesser of two evils.
" Never again!



A vote for either Obama or McCain is a vote for the complete destruction of America!

[yeahwho]

This editor, Patrick Wood, he's been really buried on the internet. He doesn't even get a wiki page nor mention. The stars are shining bright in America as they have all but succeeded in silencing his gloomy message.

except for here, at the beastie boy general political discussion, you've dimmed Americas hope with your editor Patrick Wood.

damn you ericq... damn you.

[ericg]

haha
'computer guy says you're welcome'
steeplechasers take a tip
america wouldn't have any hope at all but for folks like him
sorry the truth is such a downer
'i lay it out so you can play it out'

[kaiser soze]

Excellent speech (y)

He said alot of what I wanted to hear.....tolerance, progressive thinking, protection for our civilians and veterans and servicemen, and respect for his constituents and opposition. Yep he's black, he's young, he has children, he is articulate and intelligent and he is quite a candidate.

[ericg]

admit it. it was weak. rhetoric and faux change and that's about it.

[kaiser soze]

Oh, sorry....I was talking about Obama's speech not the drivel bush has been dribbling out of his mouth for the past 8 years

[ericg]

i know what you thought you were talking about.

[ericg]

I'm not even going to say anyting here.

[kaiser soze]

Even though comparisons should be made between the respective candidates, here is a side by side history comparing careers and experience between Obama and Palin

http://www.massless.org/?archive=2008/09/are-you-experienced-palin-and-obama

[DroppinScience]

Even though comparisons should be made between the respective candidates, here is a side by side history comparing careers and experience between Obama and Palin

http://www.massless.org/?archive=2008/09/are-you-experienced-palin-and-obama

For Obama's relatively brief career in public service, it seems like he's made the most with the positions he's held while Palin has done very little with her even more brief career in public service.

[kaiser soze]

If I had to hire one of them based on credentials, experience, and education without knowing their ideologies I would go with Obama and I bet many palin supporters would as well

[kaiser soze]

Excellent speech on the Economy by Biden in Ohio, focuses on mccain...little talk of his opponent palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZVKE0cnK8&eurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x192291

[kaiser soze]

Obama on the "Bail Out" White House Meeting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZIGJ7Ax6c&eurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x198434

[jennyb]

Sarah Silverman really delivers on this little video to get all the Jewish grandparents in Florida to vote Obama! funny.(y)

C H E C K - I T - O U T (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/dafdd1aa7b)