ron paul on obama

[ericg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez5robAWmu4

"In my opinion, it's not really even an election. IT IS A SELECTION which has already been made. So go right ahead and take your pick between the top two corporate servants and keep pretending like you didn't notice. Our country truly has fallen under a hope-nosis."

Congressman Ron Paul says there is 'no difference' between US presidential candidates, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain.


"Their foreign policies are identical," the Texas congressman said in an interview with CNN on Thursday. "There's no difference.
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"They want more troops in Afghanistan. They want to send more support to Georgia to protect the oil line there. Neither one says bring home the troops from Iraq from the bases -- you know the bases are going to stay there, the embassy as big as the Vatican, that's going to remain.
So their foreign policies are exactly the same," he added.


The former Republican presidential candidate said that the two candidates are both threats to the US national interests.


"We create the threats! Why are we on the borders of Russia provoking the Russians? I mean, the Georgians initiated the military attack against these enclaves where there were mostly Russians... It's a fact that we're over there that we create these crises.."

When asked if he endorses any of the candidates, Paul replied, "I've endorsed neither one and we will not endorse either the two top candidates.
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[saz]

although i find a lot of paul's policies completely crazy and his apparent white supremacist/militia ties extremely alarming, i completely agree with him on this.

imagine how much more invigorating and fascinating the presidential debates would be if nader, mckinney, and bob barr could participate. (y)

[ericg]

crazy how? making the federal reserve federal? legalized hemp/ marijuana. etc etc etc
those ties were planted.
his mason ties concern me more.

ron paul seems to have a good orientation about this and that, but i'm weary and think i have the right at this point. he seems all too cookie cut as a republican but talks the talk pretty well in contrast. i don't know what he's really made of all considered, but am trying to keep an open mind. desperate times call for desperate measures, and though he offers radical, long overdue changes... i don't know how structured his vision is. still, i couldn't put it past this regime to have a reserve candidate made to look absolutely good to the point of calling them out.. then have it all fail somehow or get ultimately diluted and/ or played all wrong. fucking corrupt elite have too much money and have proved too many times that they can wag the dog any which way they want, cultivating any virtual reality, false denominators, and bullshit static fronts that have surrounded things for too long and at this point is just given circumstance to ask, can anyone really ever even tell/ recognize now? ron paul, though the only one to promote and consummate the 'radical' and desperate measures necessary in light of these overwhelmingly desperate and pivitol times ie eradicating the root of all problems such as big government/ plutocracy and bureaucratical scams that, throughout history, have 'culminated' from bad seeds into our current socio-economics, politics etc, seems to want to go from a dictatorship, to no government - setting the 'contract' as the new base of democracy, where corporations/ employers may retain more of a foothold on our way of life than they have now, if that's possible. i haven't heard any complete/ concrete or determined idea of what he has in place of our current system in this respect, except that he feels it's obvious that it will be better and just fine, as if we should be confident that he or it will simply work itself out - which i want to lend great hope and conviction to. however, does he have a circumspection that supports and validates this? does he have an absolute concept of his own idea? is he all-too 'liberal' in his thinking? or could he ultimately be served up by the men behind the curtains who would in fact love nothing more than for there to be 'no government', but instead more corporate boards/ control 'by proxy' - a 'governmentless breeding ground' to start the all too currently overt processes all over again. so, a wolf in sheep's clothing? does the government need disemboweling or just an extensive overhaul? i fear that giving the power back to the people could very easily all fall through as the people have proven to not be accountable by any stretch of the imagination in any way shape or form, but severely handicapped/ degenerated and trapped in their own half baked maraudering as governed by this faux regime's wrought course/ intents and purposes.
but then again, he could be on point and have things rounded out - meaning he could have a good and regulated system re public contracts as a cornerstone of america that doesn't continue to give corporations excessive power in ultimately creating the rule of law... where the people may just prove worthy of this land. though he his statements on hiring and firing practices seem all too liberal/ free to racism and more 'miliued' democratic problems where, oops, no government to blame now. like a few of the candidates (those not puppets of the cfr), though they seem to advocate change, they do not seem to call out/ hold those responsible for the crimes ie abolish irs and fr but not call out the perpetrators that have been scamming us for so damn long. does that come later? is he at risk for assassination as was reported and doesn't want to go 'all' the way at this point for america's lost and confounded state? though this regime is obviously and ultimately inept - and certainly would rather you think so.. they've still been as 'smart' as the devil. there's a certain timing to it all ... though we're all terminally late in so many ways. though it's extremely rare and just about impossible to find really substantiated these days besides the contrast... anyone should be able to descry reality and common sense - though, par for the wrought course, are again, ultimately too late and not even remotely close to enough. i tend to support his industrial hemp farming acts, orientation of the iraq war, and tax reforms, but again don't know how far they'll go or in what capacity. another hesitation is his marginalizing global warming. ultimately, it's not whether global warming is man-made or not - though saying that centuries of rape and pollution doesn't affect the world is utterly preposterous - it's the socio-economics, politics and ecology of it all that matters. this should not be underrated in any way, shape or form. at this point, it's gonna take e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g!!! in fact, i don't know anyone to date that hasn't 'sold me out' for nothing. a-n-y-o-n-e. never-the-less, though there's a few things that seem to rub be the wrong way about him, he's 'posed' to look like the best chance we've got so far, if that's any constellation or consoling thought. still, a black ops group needs to get busy... re hr 333 - why hasn't he co-sponsored impeachment? playing the perameters of a corrupt game only confirms the game and gets you played. all the way now!!! impeachment alone doesn't justify anything, not to mention that the charges aren't even a percentage of what he's guilty of. what do you really think impeachment alone will do anyway, if that is what happens - like resigning - powell, rumsfeld, gonzales, rove... leaving office effectually only puts them out of sight out of mind. nothing really changes unless everything is done, and is done properly. conyers and the judiciary committee has, for all intents and purposes, been congress's/ this administration's laundery mat where nothing ever gets resolved or clean, it just gets aired out where people are either so sick of it they have seemingly no choice but to take cover in their immediate lives (of which the rich seem to do all too easily), or get so use to hearing it it gets to be status quo and all too easily validated or covered up like, oh well, shit happens. though it's been a vicious circle of dilution and factioned off confusion, americans have to find their role and do their part in order for anything to get done. hell i bet only 50% even knows about the resolution. and again - not even a mention as to pelosi being vp...? the board is set to where we'd lose much more than we gained by simply impeaching him. on the other hand, if people do consummate some remote measure of a role they've been completely remissive in, perhaps bush's impeachment and the whole enchilada will be brought. that's a slim jim many obviously haven't had the 'balls' to snap into in any comprehensive/ consummative, concerted or functional fashion/ application.

[ericg]

a brass tax medium/ org is needed for all in affinity to consolidate legaleze and resources. one voice, so to speak as opposed to factioned off fronts that think that petitioning this deeeeply corrupted government will do something. with the amount of wherewithal the citizen's of this country have, it should be all too easy. with a grounded legaleze for "we the people" and an economic focus on inner cities as opposed to wdc, there'd be a revolution before tomorrow morning. with international corroboration corner the stock market with alternative resource, buy blocks in every city to promote sustainable grids, conversion shops, etc etc etc. relying on the government or one man isn't going to cut it. the ultimate responsibility lies with ... the people. waiting for the gov or one man has and will always be futile. people go, government follows. i could go on and on but will digress for the moment.

biden. another cfr puppet to 'round out' the narrative. he may appear to walk the line a little better than his counterparts.. still, ultimately as a contradiction..

[saz]

paul: anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-environment, anti-sane immigration policy, and took $6,000 from tom delay's armpac, and the john birch society and christian coalition love paul (http://beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1545938&postcount=200).

paul accepts donation from white supremacist stormfront, poses in photos with stormfront owner and son (http://beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1546725&postcount=210).


although libertarians, including paul, are amazing on foreign policy and constitutional matters, and are traditional, genuine conservatives (in the vein of barry goldwater, as opposed to contemporary spend-thrift republicans), they support disastrous policies such as privatizing the department of education, which would result in school vouchers (only those who can afford an education will receive one), and essentially want to eliminate all government regulations so that corporate greed and profiteering will reach epic proportions.

regardless, i'd still love to see bob barr debate mccain.

[alien autopsy]

while i like ron pauls idea of peace and the end to american imperialism, i still didnt feel totally comfortable voting for him. I agree with you eric, and id like to add that change will not come from within the system, its something that comes from outside, and not acting within the system, by their rules, laws and boundaries (like "voting"). Ron paul couldnt move the political/corrupt war machine an inch once he got into office.