Bristol Palin is Pregnant

[kaiser soze]

ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Now I feel for the kid and know damn well mother nature works in mysterious ways. But oddly this situation goes against the grain of the conservative base mccain is trying to swoon.

This is the result of failed policies of control and the hypocrisy this party bathes itself in (remember cheney's lesbian daughter?).

This will be fuel...I mean dirt to sling. I feel for the kid and hope she does receive her privacy to her choices with her body....

JUST LIKE EVERY WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO

[DroppinScience]

Well... so much for abstinence-only education.

[kaiser soze]

Chelsea Clinton truly looks like a saint in comparison to these repub kids

so funny how these people try to shove shit down the throats of millions only to come back and choke on their own feet

[DroppinScience]

Maybe Britney and Lynn Spears' kids can hang with Bristol Palin's kids. Celebs got a lot in common, I guess.

[Bob]

(remember cheney's lesbian daughter?)

i remember how it didn't do anything to stop him from getting elected twice (well once and a half, i guess)

[Burnout18]

Palin has a 4 month old kid too, right?


Shouldn't she be spending this time with her family instead of campaigning across the country.

[checkyourprez]

what a fuckin skank. nice life, it woulda been hilarious if she was going to get an abortion.

[Bob]

i wish we could not care about this

[ToucanSpam]

Maybe Britney and Lynn Spears' kids can hang with Bristol Palin's kids. Celebs got a lot in common, I guess.

What's with this backhanded, snide bullshit? I am no Republican but this comment and this thread seems like a stupid attempt at punditry.


Seriously, attacking their kids? Come on, there must be something else to attack. Much love for you DS, but this shit leaves a bad taste.:(

[DroppinScience]

What's with this backhanded, snide bullshit? I am no Republican but this comment and this thread seems like a stupid attempt at punditry.


Seriously, attacking their kids? Come on, there must be something else to attack. Much love for you DS, but this shit leaves a bad taste.:(

Well, Republicans love to tout "family values" and abstinence and the like. Yet there's too many cases where they just don't practice what they preach. Palin's daughter is having a child out of wedlock (well, she's quickly going to marry the man, but it's obvious this was a case of fornication), which isn't quite in step with the values she claims to be all about.

I'm not attacking the kids, per se, just the really stupid decisions that completely contradict the very values they espouse and attack liberals for not sharing.

If I were to attack Palin's 5-month old with Down's syndrome, then I'd be a real bad person. But this case smacks of hypocrisy.

[YoungRemy]

Palin has a 4 month old kid too, right?


Shouldn't she be spending this time with her family instead of campaigning across the country.

the infant, Trig, also has Down's Syndrome.

a 44 year grandmother dealing with her own handicapped child sitting in the #2 spot in America?

I think not...

[RobMoney$]

You know, speaking as a parent, (which most of you are NOT), as well as a parent of a child with special needs,


You raise your kids and teach them life lessons the best you can. But ultimitely, there's no right or wrong way to raise a child. They are responsible for their own lives once they reach a certain point. All you can do is send them out into the world with the best values and morals you can give them and hope they use them when it's time for them to make life decisions.

Having a 17yo. daughter who is having sex doesn't make Palin a bad parent. In fact I'd say it makes her a pretty normal parent.
Her daughter sounds like she's handling the issue rather maturely by keeping the baby and planning to marry the father.
Her daughter's decisions are not hers.

[ToucanSpam]

I completely agree with RobMoney.

[ms.peachy]

Her daughter sounds like she's handling the issue rather maturely by keeping the baby and planning to marry the father.


I was right with you up to this point.

I'm not saying that she isn't making the right decision. I'm sure she is making the best decision for her, as she sees it. However, whether it is a 'mature' decision to continue with a teenage pregnancy and marry another (I am assuming) very young person, I can't say. When I was a pregnant teenager (OK 19 not 17, but still, very young), what I thought (and still maintain) was a mature decision was to realise that I should finish my education and become an independent adult in a stable relationship with another independent adult before having a baby. Thankfully I had the right to make this choice.

[yeahwho]

Is birth control forbidden by the Palin's religious edict? I'm not talking abortion but preventative birth control such as pills, IUD's and just good old fashion rubbers?

Choice in a sexual partner is a choice in marriage? How is Palin's stance on Planned Parenthood? One choice. Not pro choice.

I'm sure all well workout fine for the Palin's here, but fuck, I'm with bob on this i wish we could not care about this because before Thursday and McCain's VP choice I wasn't thinking as much about some family in Alaska with Christian Cred, babies a poppin' and bear rugs and shit. Let this media start in on some fucked up issues and let's hear how Palin would like to regulate the rest of the females in the USA.

[RobMoney$]

I was right with you up to this point.

I'm not saying that she isn't making the right decision. I'm sure she is making the best decision for her, as she sees it. However, whether it is a 'mature' decision to continue with a teenage pregnancy and marry another (I am assuming) very young person, I can't say. When I was a pregnant teenager (OK 19 not 17, but still, very young), what I thought (and still maintain) was a mature decision was to realise that I should finish my education and become an independent adult in a stable relationship with another independent adult before having a baby. Thankfully I had the right to make this choice.


Ultimately, I think we can agree on this though,
What this has to do with her ability to effectively carry out the duties of the office of VP escape me.

It's bullshit.

[RobMoney$]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/obama.palin/


Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that families are off-limits in the campaign for president, reacting to news that GOP running mate Sarah Palin's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother.

"How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off-limits."

Bristol Palin, a senior in high school, is about five months pregnant, according to an aide to Sen. John McCain who asked not to be named.

The aide said the Palins and the McCain campaign decided to reveal the information now because of rampant Internet rumors that Sarah Palin's 4-month-old baby, who has Down syndrome, was actually Bristol's.

Obama became annoyed when asked about a Reuters news service report that quoted an unnamed senior McCain aide saying that Obama's name appears in liberal blogs speculating about Trig's parentage "in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change.' "

"I am offended by that statement," the Illinois senator retorted, not letting the reporter finish his question. "There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us.

"We don't go after people's families; we don't get them involved in the politics. It's not appropriate, and it's not relevant," he added. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I ever thought that there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they'd be fired."


I applaud Obama for stepping up and taking a stance on this when he probably didn't have to.

Kudos sir.

[yeahwho]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/obama.palin/



I applaud Obama for stepping up and taking a stance on this when he probably didn't have to.

Kudos sir.

If only I still drinked the booze I'd snap the top off a Billy Beer and salute Obama.

[Documad]

Is birth control forbidden by the Palin's religious edict? I'm not talking abortion but preventative birth control such as pills, IUD's and just good old fashion rubbers?
Mrs. Palin is opposed to teaching kids about contraception. She believes that teens should be told to simply abstain -- they should not be told what they can do to prevent pregnancy or STDs if they fail to abstain. We can all see how well that turned out.

Mrs. Palin is also opposed to teaching kids the truth about science--she wants creationism taught at science. She wants to keep American children behind the rest of the children in science/math.

I wouldn't give a shit whether her teenage daughter got pregnant except that Mrs. Palin and her contemporaries in the christian right want to tell other people how to live their sexual lives.

[kaiser soze]

It's nice to know that this is ok when it concerns someone who preaches against it. This is straight up failure to instill the very values you supposedly uphold and demand from your citizens.

<pundit speak> If palin cannot keep he kid in check how the hell is she going to keep a nation in check? </pundit speak>

How old was Bristol when she became pregnant? Couldn't it be considered statutory rape? I know many fundamentals/christian/gop/repub types who cry bloody murder if the shoe was on the other foot.

[funk63]

It's nice to know that this is ok when it concerns someone who preaches against it. This is straight up failure to instill the very values you supposedly uphold and demand from your citizens.

<pundit speak> If palin cannot keep he kid in check how the hell is she going to keep a nation in check? </pundit speak>



Yeah, stupidest thing I've read. Millions of teenagers around the country get pregnant every day. You can instill all the "values" you want in your kids but believe it or not its human nature to have sex.

[RobMoney$]

Mrs. Palin is also opposed to teaching kids the truth about science--she wants creationism taught at science. She wants to keep American children behind the rest of the children in science/math.


Actually, I believe her actual stance is that a debate between creationism and evolution be taught in the classroom. Not just creationism.

Which I'm fine with. I don't have a problem having my kids learning alternative points of view.
I mean evolution still hasn't been proven, so there's always a chance of anything, right?

[DroppinScience]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/obama.palin/



I applaud Obama for stepping up and taking a stance on this when he probably didn't have to.

Kudos sir.

You... said something sort of nice about Obama? I never thought I'd see this day.

[milleson]

I mean evolution still hasn't been proven, so there's always a chance of anything, right?

wtf?

[Documad]

wtf?

I know. I give up.

I think that most people don't know what the teaching of creationism entails. People think it entails mainstream christian thought and that kids would hear about mainstream christian thought in some kind of world religions class. People don't understand that they want to teach our kids that the world is less than 10,000 years old and there never were dinosaurs. Palin wants to teach the literal reading of the bible as scientific fact in a science class.

Have you seen that commercial that's running all the time right now? the one that says that the US is 20th in the world in science and even further back in math? It's no wonder.

[kaiser soze]

For some it's a gift, for others it's a sin...it depends on whose side your on

So, there is a child who needs exceptional care, a child who is having a child, and two in between....who is going to take care of all these kids?

Family Values

[jennyb]

I can't get over this speculation on whether or not she's fit to do the job based on her 'grandmother/mother' status?! No one ever questions if a male candidate can juggle parenting and governance. Or do they and I'm not aware of it? I smell sexism. Just sayin.

[ms.peachy]

Ultimately, I think we can agree on this though,
What this has to do with her ability to effectively carry out the duties of the office of VP escape me.

It's bullshit.
Yes, we can agree on this.

Actually, I believe her actual stance is that a debate between creationism and evolution be taught in the classroom. Not just creationism.

Which I'm fine with. I don't have a problem having my kids learning alternative points of view.
I mean evolution still hasn't been proven, so there's always a chance of anything, right?

However, not this.

If you want to have a separate philosophy class in which you discuss all of the various creation myths in world religions and cultures, by all means, do so. Keep it out of the science classroom, it has no place there. Evolution is both a theory and a fact. As is all of physics.

[RobMoney$]

Have you seen that commercial that's running all the time right now? the one that says that the US is 20th in the world in science and even further back in math? It's no wonder.

Well you can't blame that on creationism being taught because at this point it's not being taught in the classroom.

Maybe it has more to do with the fact that the single parent household isn't spending enough time with their kids at home because they're working more than ever to afford to give their kids Ipods and cell phones.

[ms.peachy]

Maybe it has more to do with the fact that the single parent household isn't spending enough time with their kids at home because they're working more than ever to afford to give their kids Ipods and cell phones.
That's pretty low, Rob. You know hard a job parenting is, and how hard it is to do it alone. I am really surprised to hear this coming from you. In the single parnet families I know, these fripperies usually come as gifts from the non-custodial parent who feels guilty for being the non-custodial parent, and wants to buy some love, whilst the single parent who is 'working more than ever' is doing so to make sure they can keep a roof over the kid's head and food in their stomach.

[Randetica]

I was right with you up to this point.

I'm not saying that she isn't making the right decision. I'm sure she is making the best decision for her, as she sees it. However, whether it is a 'mature' decision to continue with a teenage pregnancy and marry another (I am assuming) very young person, I can't say. When I was a pregnant teenager (OK 19 not 17, but still, very young), what I thought (and still maintain) was a mature decision was to realise that I should finish my education and become an independent adult in a stable relationship with another independent adult before having a baby. Thankfully I had the right to make this choice.

it was pretty immature to let it even happen this far and let the baby pay for it

[ms.peachy]

it was pretty immature to let it even happen this far and let the baby pay for it

I'm not following you. Unplanned pregnancies happen. Fact. But I didn't have a baby, you see. I had an abortion.

[Randetica]

umm safe sex?

[ms.peachy]

umm safe sex?

So you're assuming we were not using protection then, is what you're saying?

[Randetica]

not enough protection or you wouldnt have to get an abortion

[ms.peachy]

not enough protection or you wouldnt have to get an abortion

Oh OK then :rolleyes:

The received wisdom in 1989, when this occurred, was that when you are with a new partner, you should use condoms in addition to any other method of birth control for at least six months. My boyfriend and I did this. I was also on the pill. We had AIDS tests after the 6 month mark and both came up clean, so we decided it would be OK to stop using condoms, since I was on the pill. You couldn't have asked for two young people to approach the issue of protection more maturely than we did, TBH. Apparently, what I did not know at the time, was the variety of 'the pill' that I was taking did not agree with me, and was - rather obviously, in the end - not effective. Which I learned mainly by having become pregnant. Shit happens.

I never once considered continuing with the pregnancy, and have never once regretted this decision. If you would like to spend time trying to make me feel bad about this, you are welcome to waste your day in this vain effort, but I assure you it will have no effect. I'm not proud of this event in my life but I am not ashamed of it either. It's just something that happened. Let us move on.

[Randetica]

it just pisses me off that abortions become more and more acceptable and normal

i know i would feel ashamed for life.

[ms.peachy]

What exactly is it that you feel I should be ashamed of?

[Randetica]

if you got to know that baby you would feel like a total bitch now

well yeah i think it's wrong and against nature and not a mature desicion at all but yeah everyone makes mistakes but those teenager hoes who got a handful of abortions already and dont feel bad at all are lowest shits of all (n)

[Pres Zount]

So this girl is going to keep the baby AND marry the father? That reeks of a decision made by someone else. This girl is 17 and the people that look after her and raised her think that she is ready for a husband and a family. The fact that this Palin character is ready to sell out her daughter for her political career is pretty weak. That's what I read, anyway.

[na§tee]

i don't think she's selling out her daughter. she just went ahead and told the media the news before it could get reported on in a slanderous way, like any politician would. it was also necessary after some liberal reporters suggested that bristol may have been the real mother of her youngest son.

i also don't think they consider that bristol is ready for a husband and family at all. i think their statement sounded quite like "well, this is regrettable and we're going to be there to support her of course, but she's going to have to grow up fast and it's not going to be easy".

it was interesting to hear about peachy's experiences and what a young person in that position may be challenged with, and to gain some insight there. she didn't have to share it with us so i think it is sort of in bad taste for anyone to call her out on her decision.

[yeahwho]

for some reason i just do not care or am i even humored by bristol's sexual behavior or life situation, I see people struggling with what this past administration has done to them and i realize the palin's are connected and it sort of makes me sick. win, lose or draw the palin's are going to be just fine with this extra mouth to feed.

[russhie]

not enough protection or you wouldnt have to get an abortion

That's pretty narrowminded from someone who doesn't appear to have much sex, if any at all.

As yet, I haven't had an abortion but I'm glad this option is open to me - as a result of a defective condom I had to take the (gloriously named) morning after pill for the first time in my life this past weekend. I have never been made to feel more ashamed about my sex life than when I spoke to the pharmacist. He lectured me about how I should be more careful, that it isn't supposed to be used as a contraceptive, and that I should use a condom next time. Well, we did, fuckface, and this is the first time in all my eight years of regular sex that an accident of this sort has happened. Why can't people see that preventing a child being born to two self involved young people as a result of a casual encounter is probably more beneficial to all parties involved than just 'seeing what happens'? Honestly...

[Dorothy Wood]

purveyors of the conservative lifestyle are always trying to cover up or make excuses for their own indiscretions, or those of their family members. if they weren't so busy trying to tell everyone what to do and how to be, they'd realize that life is complicated and there's no right way to do things.

smart people already know this.

yes, teenagers get pregnant, but the fact that the mother of this particular pregnant teenager is for abstinence-only "sex" education just highlights the out of touch dream world this mother is living in. and I would prefer that my vice president be in touch with reality.

and the creationism thing...I just...I can't...so stupid. the bible itself is written with such a flexible timeline and it's been translated so many times that it would be impossible to take as scientific fact. but, there are proven scientific facts about our evolution that I would like the children in my country to learn, thank you very much.

[YoungRemy]

I can't get over this speculation on whether or not she's fit to do the job based on her 'grandmother/mother' status?! No one ever questions if a male candidate can juggle parenting and governance. Or do they and I'm not aware of it? I smell sexism. Just sayin.


I for one am not saying she's not fit to do the job. she must have been doing "a heck of a job" in Alaska.

I am suggesting that conservative America is not going to be comfortable sending her in to the #2 spot.

and I also agree it shows a nice slice of life if you spin it the right way.

[kaiser soze]

mccain and palin not very fond of teenage sex education or providing programs for teenage mothers

http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_mccain_teen_pregnancies

WASHINGTON – Republican John McCain, whose running mate disclosed that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, has opposed proposals to spend federal money on teen-pregnancy prevention programs and voted to require poor teen mothers to stay in school or lose their benefits.

Palin herself said she opposes funding sexual-education programs in Alaska.

"The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.

[Whatitis]

So this girl is going to keep the baby AND marry the father? That reeks of a decision made by someone else. This girl is 17 and the people that look after her and raised her think that she is ready for a husband and a family. The fact that this Palin character is ready to sell out her daughter for her political career is pretty weak. That's what I read, anyway.

Has it ever occured to anyone that she might have wanted to get pregnant and might want to start a family? With all the hormones going on with a teenager while seeing her mother go through a pregnancy and at the same also being the oldest girl and probably doing a lot of the same duties that a mother goes through while taking care of her younger siblings. Believe it or not some girls do embrace this lifestyle at an early age. Now, more than likely this was unplanned as with most teenage pregnancies but it's not far fetched to think otherwise. At least not as far fetched as Palin "selling out her daughter."

[Ali]

mccain and palin not very fond of teenage sex education or providing programs for teenage mothers

http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_mccain_teen_pregnancies

It's called Karma, dude.

I wonder if the Repubepelicans would respond in the same way as Obama if it was one of his daughters up the Duff?

[Ali]

Has it ever occured to anyone that she might have wanted to get pregnant and might want to start a family? With all the hormones going on with a teenager while seeing her mother go through a pregnancy and at the same also being the oldest girl and probably doing a lot of the same duties that a mother goes through while taking care of her younger siblings. Believe it or not some girls do embrace this lifestyle at an early age. Now, more than likely this was unplanned as with most teenage pregnancies but it's not far fetched to think otherwise. At least not as far fetched as Palin "selling out her daughter."
It's a very early age and she is unmarried.

A long shot, but not impossible.

[NoFenders]

yes, teenagers get pregnant, but the fact that the mother of this particular pregnant teenager is for abstinence-only "sex" education just highlights the out of touch dream world this mother is living in. and I would prefer that my vice president be in touch with reality.

Is there another form of "sex" education you'd teach your kids?? I mean, sure it'll probably happen one way or another, but wouldn't you try and put it off for as long as you could?? Would you even try? Or just let them do whatever they want to do because it's inevitable. Maybe put a rubber in your 15yr olds lunch box every day. Most parents are trying to keep their kids from having sex these days. Not just giving in to the easy way out, as if it's not their problem.

I can tell by this thread who has kids and who doesn't. I can even see the ones who don't remember being a kid.


:cool:

[Randetica]

That's pretty narrowminded from someone who doesn't appear to have much sex, if any at all.

As yet, I haven't had an abortion but I'm glad this option is open to me - as a result of a defective condom I had to take the (gloriously named) morning after pill for the first time in my life this past weekend. I have never been made to feel more ashamed about my sex life than when I spoke to the pharmacist. He lectured me about how I should be more careful, that it isn't supposed to be used as a contraceptive, and that I should use a condom next time. Well, we did, fuckface, and this is the first time in all my eight years of regular sex that an accident of this sort has happened. Why can't people see that preventing a child being born to two self involved young people as a result of a casual encounter is probably more beneficial to all parties involved than just 'seeing what happens'? Honestly...

did you call me a fuckface or did you talk to yourself? well in this case it's not peachy's fault that she got preggies but i didnt know that at that point

for some protection means nothing more than 'pulling out'

[Burnout18]

What exactly is it that you feel I should be ashamed of?

absolutely nothing,,, you did the right thing for yourself and at the end of the day that's what its about, taking care of yourself.

[Randetica]

and everyone and everyone in you too

[kaiser soze]

White House: Palin pregnancy private matter

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080902182910.fz2ok9ka&show_article=1

"The president of the United States (George W. Bush) believes that this is a matter that this family has chosen to work through together," and "believes that this is a private family matter," said spokeswoman Dana Perino.

"The family obviously loves their daughter very much, and that this baby, when it is born, will have the full love and support of a very loving family," Perino said one day after word came that Bristol, 17, was five months pregnant and would marry the father.

Well then, why don't you let every pregnancy be private...Stay out of women's bodies!

What's good for the goose is not good for the gander

[RobMoney$]

Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother.



Obama himself was born to an 18 yo. mother and a man who may or may not have been married to two different women at the time of Obama's birth and who only saw him one time after he left Obama's mother.


...and all of that has absolutely nothing to do with this Presidential campaign or his ability to serve the office.

[RobMoney$]

Oh OK then :rolleyes:

The received wisdom in 1989, when this occurred, was that when you are with a new partner, you should use condoms in addition to any other method of birth control for at least six months. My boyfriend and I did this. I was also on the pill. We had AIDS tests after the 6 month mark and both came up clean, so we decided it would be OK to stop using condoms, since I was on the pill. You couldn't have asked for two young people to approach the issue of protection more maturely than we did, TBH. Apparently, what I did not know at the time, was the variety of 'the pill' that I was taking did not agree with me, and was - rather obviously, in the end - not effective. Which I learned mainly by having become pregnant. Shit happens.

I never once considered continuing with the pregnancy, and have never once regretted this decision. If you would like to spend time trying to make me feel bad about this, you are welcome to waste your day in this vain effort, but I assure you it will have no effect. I'm not proud of this event in my life but I am not ashamed of it either. It's just something that happened. Let us move on.


You aren't the only one here who has been a part of having an abortion.

I've been a part of TWO abortions in my life.
I've had to face the gauntlet of Anti-abortion Pro-Life protesters "peacefully assembling" outside the women's clinic.
It only made a truly heartbreaking decision exponentially more frightening and heartbreaking for both my girlfriend and I.
The aggressive chanting and waving of signs, the names they called us...they even had a fetus in a jar of formaldehyde.

I wanted to kill those fuckers that day. I'll always be thankful I had the option available at that point in my life and will do whatever I can to make sure it stays that way.

I must say though, Russhie brought up something we didn't have when we were young. The morning after pill.
I'd consider doing away with abortions if the morning after pill were easily accessable.

[yeahwho]

Obama himself was born to an 18 yo. mother and a man who may or may not have been married to two different women at the time of Obama's birth and who only saw him one time after he left Obama's mother.


...and all of that has absolutely nothing to do with this Presidential campaign or his ability to serve the office.

So with this agree, it is a free country and nothing is really all that shocking to me here, well... one aspect of this is kind of crazy and that is the father now has a national audience holding a shotgun to his head. There will be very little wiggle room for this couple and the coming life they'll have together.

[ms.peachy]

Is there another form of "sex" education you'd teach your kids?? I mean, sure it'll probably happen one way or another, but wouldn't you try and put it off for as long as you could?? Would you even try? Or just let them do whatever they want to do because it's inevitable. Maybe put a rubber in your 15yr olds lunch box every day. Most parents are trying to keep their kids from having sex these days. Not just giving in to the easy way out, as if it's not their problem.

I can tell by this thread who has kids and who doesn't. I can even see the ones who don't remember being a kid.


I don't really see what your point is here. Are you saying that the only options are to teach your child 'abstinence only' or to 'just let them do whatever they want and put condoms in their lunch boxes'? Because that's some pretty weird damn thinking. I certainly hope my daughter does not start having sex in her early teen years, and I plan to be very open and honest with her about exactly why I think it is not a good idea. And I am most certainly going to arm her with knowledge - about birth control, about feeling confident enough to say to a guy (or girl) "No I am not comfortable with this", about how to value her unique and special self. When she gets to be in her later teens, if she feels she is ready for a sexual relationship, then so be it. It is part of being healthy and human, and I'm not going to try to convince her that she is a bad person for having - and even daring to act on -sexual desires.

[yeahwho]

I don't really see what your point is here.

I think his point is he can tell who has kids and who doesn't have kids on this thread. I think? Or maybe it's a chance to pass a little judgment on disguised as "life experience".

The funniest thing is I have no idea if NoFenders has kids or not, but one thing is for sure, he is the last person I would PM to about a parental issue.

[Dorothy Wood]

Is there another form of "sex" education you'd teach your kids?? I mean, sure it'll probably happen one way or another, but wouldn't you try and put it off for as long as you could?? Would you even try? Or just let them do whatever they want to do because it's inevitable. Maybe put a rubber in your 15yr olds lunch box every day. Most parents are trying to keep their kids from having sex these days. Not just giving in to the easy way out, as if it's not their problem.

I can tell by this thread who has kids and who doesn't. I can even see the ones who don't remember being a kid.


:cool:


I wouldn't put off teaching my children how babies are made and how to prevent it from happening. my mom didn't shield me from that information. when I asked where babies came from, she told me. I didn't grow up thinking sex was a mysterious shameful thing. I was taught that it was a very wonderful thing that you have to be responsible with. I also had some good teachers growing up that taught sex ed in a thorough and responsible way, two of which were in a christian school.

teenagers have sex, maybe not all of them, but plenty of them...and there's no way to stop it other than mandatory chastity belting. so I fully believe in sex education programs that include pregnancy and STD prevention.

and no, I don't have children, but I do have a teaching degree from a good school. and I've seen first hand how confusing and inaccurate sex education programs are already, did a research project on it actually (got an A *buffs nails*). we're talking outdated videos from the 80's featuring slumber parties and pancakes shaped like a uterus and fallopian tubes.
:rolleyes:

[russhie]

I was calling the pharmacist a fuckface.

Yeah, I grew up in a household where my mum talked to us pretty openly about it, she encouraged us to be safe - she was a realist and knew that as a 16 year old in a relationship I'd probably have sex sooner rather than later. It's pretty funny (and disturbing) the silly stuff they teach you in sex ed. I mean, all I seem to remember is that video where the kid gets a boner on the diving board and everyone can see. It wasn't till I found myself single and sleeping with different people that I actually had to worry about STI's and stuff like that...I consider myself a pretty smart, careful person and it still worried me how much I didn't know about that sort of stuff.

Sex ed is kinda lacking.


Oh yeah, Robmoney - having the abortion option is still important, even with the morning after pill readily available. I was just pointing out that people are far too judgemental when it comes to the sex lives of others, because really...what do they know?

[yeahwho]

I wouldn't put off teaching my children

I don't really see what your point is here.

BTW thank you both for your posts here, how can I or any other dude put it any better.

[Documad]

I can't get over this speculation on whether or not she's fit to do the job based on her 'grandmother/mother' status?! No one ever questions if a male candidate can juggle parenting and governance. Or do they and I'm not aware of it? I smell sexism. Just sayin.

I agree with you. Also, there are a thousand better reasons why she is not fit to be VP.

[Echewta]

Its totally are business to discuss and have opinions about Palin's family life because she is in our business all the time and making decisions for the masses.

I agree this is for Obama to step away and let the press and voters figure it out.

I haven't read the bible and only know parts of it due to watching Jeapordy. What does it say about women who become pregnant without being married? Is it a "going to hell" offense? Or are you safe if you marry while being pregnant. Does the bible mention abortion? Is having an abortion the same as getting pregnant without being married in bible rules?

Perhaps if Creationism was taught while I was in school, I would know this stuff.

[Ali]

Hey, if McoCaine gets in and then has a heart attack... guess who gets to be President!!!!!!

[Pres Zount]

When I said "selling her daughter out" I meant it in conjunction with the opinion that the marriage and motherhood roles where being forced upon her.

So she's making the decision for her daughter, and I think that if she did do that, then a large part of her reasons for doing so would be to save face in front of the voting public. Putting the politics before her daughter, if even for an instant, is what I mean by selling out her daughter.

Maybe it's just cynical of me to think that she would say to herself "this is going to look bad... how can I damage control?"

[Ali]

From what I hear, it won't be the first time one of her daughters got pregnant...

[Echewta]

Lots of drilling in Alaska.

[Whatitis]

So she's making the decision for her daughter, and I think that if she did do that, then a large part of her reasons for doing so would be to save face in front of the voting public. Putting the politics before her daughter, if even for an instant, is what I mean by selling out her daughter.

She is 5 months pregnant. A decision was made long before Sarah Palin was picked as VP and more than likely before McCain was picked as the republican presidential candidate.

[kaiser soze]

Lots of drilling in Alaska.

and wildlife to shoot from helicopters!

[Whatitis]

LOL, you couldn't even get the pun on that one.

[kaiser soze]

oh yeah, haha.....drilling

wildlife too!

[yeahwho]

oh yeah, haha.....drilling

wildlife too!

hovering and banging away

[Pres Zount]

She is 5 months pregnant. A decision was made long before Sarah Palin was picked as VP and more than likely before McCain was picked as the republican presidential candidate.


Yeah I'm guessing that Sarah Palin's entire political career is older than 5 months though, and that they might have planned for her to be VP long before she was picked.

[kaiser soze]

"She made the, I'm sorry what is the decision...there's another word I'm looking for"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANlICS8QsnE&eurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x183597

"It rhymes with voice"

hahaha!