What Obama really thinks of White Folks?

[RobMoney$]

In his own words. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs&feature=related)


I knew about the "My Grandmother is a typical white person" comment, but the excerpts from his own book were even more of an eye opener for me. They weren't an off-the-cuff remark that may have been mis-interpreted or not expressed in the manner he intended.

Those comments are in print. Can't really say you were mis-interpreted.

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites..."
Barak Obama from Dreams of my Father, A story of Race and Inheretance.

[DroppinScience]

I'm sure some of his best friends are white.

[Lex Diamonds]

You could not eligibly condense anybody's views on race into a ten minute YouTube video, unless that person was as ignorant as the makers of that clip.

[kaiser soze]

grasping...plain and simple. Get back the real issue.

mccain would be proud of my copying ;)

[RobMoney$]

grasping...plain and simple. Get back the real issue.



What "real" issue did you mean?
The issue of Palin loving rapists and molesters, or the one about Palin's daughter being pregnant?
What's the Palin put-down of the day today?

[RobMoney$]

You could not eligibly condense anybody's views on race into a ten minute YouTube video, unless that person was as ignorant as the makers of that clip.

But the makers of that clip are using his own words, and in the proper context.

[kaiser soze]

What "real" issue did you mean?
The issue of Palin loving rapists and molesters, or the one about Palin's daughter being pregnant?
What's the Palin put-down of the day today?

oh, I was quoting travesty from another thread....same here as it is there

[Dorothy Wood]

But the makers of that clip are using his own words, and in the proper context.


I certainly wouldn't say it was a proper context. What do you want? Obama isn't allowed to speak truthfully about his experience growing up as a person who is of mixed race, but appears more black? talking about how he was drawn into understanding his black identity and the process of discovering who he is as a man beyond race?

shit, what he said about his grandmother is something I might say about my own grandmother. it's something I might say about myself and many of the people I know! some of whom are adamantly non-racist. it is typical for a white person to judge people of color whether they mean to or not. I suppose what's missing is that he doesn't address the fact that generally it's typical for someone of any race to judge. I think it's part of the human condition.

anyway, I wasn't offended by anything in those clips.

[Lex Diamonds]

I suppose what's missing is that he doesn't address the fact that generally it's typical for someone of any race to judge. I think it's part of the human condition.
I'm sure he has addressed that many times, but it wouldn't fit with the whole racist propaganda vibe that video's got going on.

[Bob]

barack obama doesn't care about white people

[Randetica]

bush doesnt care about black people so vote obama to bring back balance

[ms.peachy]

barack obama doesn't care about white people

Not only that, but he has no respect for our small town values, like how we like our negroes to know their place and not get all uppity.

[HAL 9000]

More info here

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

[Dorothy Wood]

I'm sure he has addressed that many times, but it wouldn't fit with the whole racist propaganda vibe that video's got going on.


yeah, I meant it to say that he doesn't address it in the passages they picked.

thanks for that snopes, hal!

[saz]

(y)

I certainly wouldn't say it was a proper context. What do you want? Obama isn't allowed to speak truthfully about his experience growing up as a person who is of mixed race, but appears more black? talking about how he was drawn into understanding his black identity and the process of discovering who he is as a man beyond race?

shit, what he said about his grandmother is something I might say about my own grandmother. it's something I might say about myself and many of the people I know! some of whom are adamantly non-racist. it is typical for a white person to judge people of color whether they mean to or not. I suppose what's missing is that he doesn't address the fact that generally it's typical for someone of any race to judge. I think it's part of the human condition.

anyway, I wasn't offended by anything in those clips.

[DroppinScience]

Pretty much what Dorothy said. All those quotes are about is Obama's own insights on what it was like to grow up with a black father and a white mother and the dual identities he dealt with while coming of age.

[rirv]

I'm betting John McCain has some views on "typical black people". He just doesn't have the balls to print it.

Most of what is presented in that clip offers no insight whatsoever into what he thinks of white people. He is merely reporting the attitudes, biases and beliefs of those around him as he was growing up.

I don't understand why you highlighted the quote about "ingratiating" himself to white people RobMoney? If anything that quote shows that he deliberately made a point of putting himself apart from his race and trying to give himself equal standing through his intellect, acadamic abilites - whatever- rather than simply winning favour by telling people he was white too.

[ToucanSpam]

I don't think there's anything here that is particularly shocking or surprising. I'm on board with DS's statement.

Did anyone read the points in the sidebar? If not, here they are:


FAMOUS LAST WORDS: "I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee. It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee." -- Barack Obama, February 1, 2008
Obama Lacks Sound Policy

• Pledged to dismantle our national defense systems, including development of future defense technologies, effectively disarming America and leaving us vulnerable to attack.

• Health care proposal will NOT create universal health care, and thus will only be more wasteful government spending accomplishing nothing

• Claims to have no lobbyist ties, but changed his nuclear regulation bill to favor nuclear companies under pressure from his money men at Exelon

• Claims to not accept oil money, but in fact has major money bundlers who are oil executives

• Claims to have no lobbyist ties, but several registered lobbyists have raised over a million dollars for his campaign, sometimes having their wives write the check to conceal his ties to them

• Voted against his own economic package

• Of McCain, Clinton, and Obama, only Obama backed the Bush-Cheney energy bill that put taxpayer money in oil companies' pockets and helped gas prices skyrocket, yet he calls Clinton "Bush-lite" and McCain "a third Bush term"?

• Claimed he would not run for President until he had the requisite experience

• Threatened to bomb our crucial ally Pakistan without permission

• In 2002, voted to defund a Chicago social work office, when criticized by public claimed he pushed the wrong button

• In 1997, voted against an election reform bill, later claimed he pushed the wrong button

• In 2000, voted against a ban on human cloning, later claimed he pushed the wrong button

• In 2000, voted for a gambling measure opposed by church groups, when criticized claimed he pushed the wrong button

• Lies, claiming to be anti-war because he gave a speech in 2002 when he was not yet a Senator, but once in the Senate voted to extend the war more than five times

• Lies, claims he will withdraw troops, when in fact he has no plans to really do so as his campaign has indicated conditions on the ground will dictate troop levels

• Claims to be against NAFTA, caught telling Canada he was for NAFTA, when caught lied about it

• Said age-appropriate sex-ed was okay for kindergarten

Obama Lacks Judgment

• Accepted credit for dozens of bills he did not write in Illinois legislature

• Plaigiarized "Just Words" speech from Massachusetts governor

• Plaigiarized nomination acceptance speech from Mario Cumo

• Borrowed "Fired Up, Ready to Go" slogan from another politcian

• Lifted "Yes, we can" slogan from Hispanic farm workers

• Does not believe the radical Iranian Revolutionary Guard is a terrorist organization

• Pledged to sit down with state sponsors of terrorism without preconditions in his first year as President

• Refused to wear a flag pin for elitist, silly reasons

• As Chairman of the Senate Europe and NATO subcommittee, irresponsibly failed to hold a single hearing, claiming he was too busy running for President

• Supporter and cousin of Raila Odinga, a radical Kenyan socialist

• Longtime friend and business associate of Tony Rezko, convicted criminal, slumlord, political crook

• Longtime friend and political associate of Bill Ayers, an unrepentant domestic terrorist and murderer

• Spiritually mentored for many years by left-wing, anti-American priest Father Michael Pfleger; when Pfleger grotesquely attacked Hillary McCain defended her by name, Obama did not

• Allowed himself to be spiritually mentored by Rev. Jeremiah Wright for twenty years, and allowed Wright to pastor his children

• Supported a live-birth abortion measure that even NARAL Pro-Choice America opposed

• Thinks regular folks cling to guns and gods because they're bitter about the economy



:rolleyes:


Some of these do not make sense or are just silly.

[Randetica]

Pretty much what Dorothy said. All those quotes are about is Obama's own insights on what it was like to grow up with a black father and a white mother and the dual identities he dealt with while coming of age.

yeah just ask our board member with the same history (g*a)

[rirv]

• Refused to wear a flag pin for elitist, silly reasons


A very insightful well researched criticism of Brack Obama here.

[RobMoney$]

I certainly wouldn't say it was a proper context.

Ok, what was missing from the passages that would change the interpretation in any way?

What do you want? Obama isn't allowed to speak truthfully about his experience growing up as a person who is of mixed race, but appears more black? talking about how he was drawn into understanding his black identity and the process of discovering who he is as a man beyond race?

I'm not against his right to speak truthfully about his history or his feelings about race. In fact I applaud him for being honest about the fact that he's admittedly got a problem with white people.
I thank him for being honest enough to tell me that.

I'd just like to know why he conciously made an effort to avoid "ingratiating himself to whites", considering his mother and grandmother are white and they are the ones who he lived with and was raised by?

If anyone could grow up blind to race, I'd expect it to be someone from his backgroud.

[RobMoney$]

Some of these do not make sense or are just silly.

Yes, they are.
So why would you post them?

[RobMoney$]

All those quotes are about is Obama's own insights on what it was like to grow up with a black father and a white mother and the dual identities he dealt with while coming of age.


His Father left when he was two.
Exactly what insights could he possibly offer on him?

[rirv]

Ok, what was missing from the passages that would change the interpretation in any way?



I'm not against his right to speak truthfully about his history or his feelings about race. In fact I applaud him for being honest about the fact that he's admittedly got a problem with white people.
I thank him for being honest enough to tell me that.

I'd just like to know why he conciously made an effort to avoid "ingratiating himself to whites", considering his mother and grandmother are white and they are the ones who he lived with and was raised by?

If anyone could grow up blind to race, I'd expect it to be someone from his backgroud.

I don't think you understand what ingratiating means. I might be wrong but it sounds like you believe it to mean integrating.

[jennyb]

Main Entry: in·gra·ti·ate
Pronunciation: in-'grA-shE-"At
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: 2in- + Latin gratia grace
Date: 1621
: to gain favor or favorable acceptance for by deliberate effort -- usually used with with <ingratiate themselves with the community leaders -- William Attwood>
- in·gra·ti·a·tion /-"grA-shE-'A-sh&n/ noun
- in·gra·tia·to·ry /-'grA-sh(E-)&-"tor-E/ adjective

[DroppinScience]

His Father left when he was two.
Exactly what insights could he possibly offer on him?

Okay, let me word it more precisely: growing up the SON of a black father and a white mother. Regardless, I'm still unsure what I'm supposed to be shocked about what he says about whitey.

[Bob]

If anyone could grow up blind to race, I'd expect it to be someone from his backgroud.

seriously?

[RobMoney$]

Okay, let me word it more precisely: growing up the SON of a black father and a white mother. Regardless, I'm still unsure what I'm supposed to be shocked about what he says about whitey.

It really does make me feel good to know that you don't have a vote.

[QueenAdrock]

He'll have a vote in the future, so relish it while you can. :rolleyes:

[Dorothy Wood]

Ok, what was missing from the passages that would change the interpretation in any way?



I'm not against his right to speak truthfully about his history or his feelings about race. In fact I applaud him for being honest about the fact that he's admittedly got a problem with white people.
I thank him for being honest enough to tell me that.

I'd just like to know why he conciously made an effort to avoid "ingratiating himself to whites", considering his mother and grandmother are white and they are the ones who he lived with and was raised by?

If anyone could grow up blind to race, I'd expect it to be someone from his backgroud.


well, the passages were taken out of a book, with no surrounding context to frame them. according to that snopes article, some passages were completely reworded or fabricated.

I don't think he has a problem with white people any more than anyone would have a problem with white people. I'm not sure you understand what it's like to be of mixed race, and the racism within the black community that exists for people who are lighter-skinned. of course he would reject his white side to try to fit in, and because there is no context for the passages, it's hard to say when he was feeling these feelings. From what I can tell, he was a teenager just trying to survive among his peers.

it's upsetting to me that you can be tricked so easily and that your frame of reference is so small. and that you don't seem to understand the meaning of ingratiate.

[Bob]

He'll have a vote in the future, so relish it while you can. :rolleyes:

and some day we'll have a black president and i'll stop being a virgin, too (unrelated events). your whole world's gonna fall apart around you soon rob

[RobMoney$]

it's upsetting to me that you can be tricked so easily and that your frame of reference is so small. and that you don't seem to understand the meaning of ingratiate.


Well don't lose any sleep by being too upset.
...and perhaps you make too many assumptions about me.

[Documad]

Not only that, but he has no respect for our small town values, like how we like our negroes to know their place and not get all uppity.

Isn't it amusing how "elite" has become the politically correct version of "uppity"? :rolleyes:

I certainly wouldn't say it was a proper context. What do you want? Obama isn't allowed to speak truthfully about his experience growing up as a person who is of mixed race, but appears more black? talking about how he was drawn into understanding his black identity and the process of discovering who he is as a man beyond race?

shit, what he said about his grandmother is something I might say about my own grandmother. it's something I might say about myself and many of the people I know! some of whom are adamantly non-racist. it is typical for a white person to judge people of color whether they mean to or not. I suppose what's missing is that he doesn't address the fact that generally it's typical for someone of any race to judge. I think it's part of the human condition.

anyway, I wasn't offended by anything in those clips.
I wish you would post more in this forum. :)

[Documad]

Main Entry: in·gra·ti·ate
Pronunciation: in-'grA-shE-"At
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: 2in- + Latin gratia grace
Date: 1621
: to gain favor or favorable acceptance for by deliberate effort -- usually used with with <ingratiate themselves with the community leaders -- William Attwood>
- in·gra·ti·a·tion /-"grA-shE-'A-sh&n/ noun
- in·gra·tia·to·ry /-'grA-sh(E-)&-"tor-E/ adjective

you are my twin -- that's exactly where my head went.