Palin's First Interview

[Laver1969]

Sarah's First Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD3Yk9RZRF0)

Did anyone else cringe watching this?

[kaiser soze]

she sounded like she was on the defense and in mental pain at times

[RobMoney$]

Not bad. She stood her ground and handled herself well. I agreed with all of her responses.

The whole back and forth between them on the Iran-Israel question was a joke.
What was she supposed to do, back down to Charles Gibson?
"No Charlie, Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself. Let's follow Obama's plan and wait until Iran drops a nuke on Israel and then respond appropriatley."?!?!?!?!!??

Why we aren't bombing Iranian nuclear facilities as we speak is beyond me. I hope McCain does it within his first 100 days in office.

[Laver1969]

Not bad. She stood her ground and handled herself well. I agreed with all of her responses.

The whole back and forth between them on the Iran-Israel question was a joke.
What was she supposed to do, back down to Charles Gibson?
"No Charlie, Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself. Let's follow Obama's plan and wait until Iran drops a nuke on Israel and then respond appropriatley."?!?!?!?!!??

Why we aren't bombing Iranian nuclear facilities as we speak is beyond me. I hope McCain does it within his first 100 days in office.

But Alaska isn't next door to Iran...think she can find it?

I think she was way out of her league. If we pump more oil we won't have to worry about foreign policy.

[RobMoney$]

Well of course you think she was out of her league.
Can you admit that you may be a bit biased though?

And do you have any idea how much power America weilds when it comes to influencing the price of oil? Our reserves are fully stocked and we have the power to drive that price down to below $80 a barrel within a year of McCain taking office.

[RobMoney$]

Lave,

Seriously though, what do you think is a more important position and more similar to being a President, being a Senator or being a Governor?

[travesty]

she sounded like she was on the defense and in mental pain at times

Anyone cutting her any slack because she was sending her eldest son off to fight a shitty war that same day? Just wondering. That would fuck me up a bit mentally.

[Laver1969]

I'll agree i'm biased. But I didn't enter this election with any preconceived notions. I'm a registered Republican...voted for old man bush in 88 but was a side-line fan of Bill Clinton.

I've never been a political junkie but this race has pulled me into this forum a little. Bush has fucked up this country so much and I think McCain/Palin is just a complete joke. The same 35% of the country that still approves of Bush is in love with Palin.

I don't think I really drank the kool-aid. I don't consider myself an Obama superfan but I honestly connect with Obama a helluva lot more than Bush/Palin.

[saz]

Why we aren't bombing Iranian nuclear facilities as we speak is beyond me. I hope McCain does it within his first 100 days in office.

are you for real? bomb iran? another war?

not only can america not afford another war, but iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 due to international pressure. i take it you missed the news of the last national intelligence estimate (http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf)?

We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program; we also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons. We judge with high confidence that the halt, and Tehran’s announcement of its decision to suspend its declared uranium enrichment program and sign an Additional Protocol to its Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty Safeguards Agreement, was directed primarily in response to increasing international scrutiny and pressure resulting from exposure of Iran’s previously undeclared nuclear work.


ABC News' Martha Raddatz, Jonathan Karl, Luis Martinez, Kirit Radia and Jennifer Duck Report: In a stunning reversal of Bush administration conventional wisdom, a new assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies concludes Iran shelved its nuclear weapons program over four years ago.

"We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program," reads a declassified version of the National Intelligence Estimate key findings.

link (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/nie-report-iran.html)


seriously, screw sarah palin. screw sarah palin and all of these dumbass, jesus freak warmongering neo-con maniacs. war with russia? enough. she's just bush III, but in a dress. clueless yahoos, rednecks, hockey moms, whatever should not be in a position to be the leader of the free world. the last eight years have been a total disaster, and supporting another four years of this garbage is beyond me.

[Laver1969]

Lave,

Seriously though, what do you think is a more important position and more similar to being a President, being a Senator or being a Governor?

This isn't really about their experience per se. McCain, Obama, and Biden are all Senators. Bush, Clinton, Reagan and I'm sure others were Governors.

Obama, McCain, and Biden have wanted to be President. Palin didn't even know what a VP did a few weeks ago. She wasn't actively seeking to be on the ticket...she's was pulled into this and now she's playing a certain role. She's the female, attack dog, reformist. She was "hired" for political reasons. If she really thought she could make a difference on the national level then why didn't she run for Pres...or why wasn't she vocal about supporting McCain beforehand...or why didn't she even know what the VP did.

I think McCain's choice is brilliant from a political standpoint...but scares the fuck outta me with her beliefs. She is worst than Bush...seriously.

[mikizee]

seriously, screw sarah palin. screw sarah palin and all of these dumbass, jesus freak warmongering neo-con maniacs. war with russia? enough. she's just bush III, but in a dress. clueless yahoos, rednecks, hockey moms, whatever should not be in a position to be the leader of the free world. the last eight years have been a total disaster, and supporting another four years of this garbage is beyond me.

Amen. She will do nothing but further damage the US's standing in the international community. The world hates the US because of Bush, and with good reason.

Palin scares the shit outta me.

[kaiser soze]

Why we aren't bombing Iranian nuclear facilities as we speak is beyond me. I hope McCain does it within his first 100 days in office.

Iran is no Iraq....Russia and China have connections with Iran as well

it would not be pretty

But if mcinsane does plan on bombing Iran, by all means...go get on a plane and drop em yourself

viva la chickenhawks!!!!

[Bob]

Well of course you think she was out of her league.
Can you admit that you may be a bit biased though?


can you?

[RobMoney$]

are you for real? bomb iran? another war?

not only can america not afford another war, but iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 due to international pressure. i take it you missed the news of the last national intelligence estimate (http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf)?


Are you seriously under the assumption that Iran is no threat to Israel or the US? Do you really believe their nuclear program no longer exists?
Fuck, don't tell me you're one of those idiots who believe Ahmadinejad when he says their nuclear program is "for peaceful purposes" and thinks he was misinterpreted when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map"?

You say we can't afford another war? I say we can't afford not defend ourselves against tyrants like this.

[RobMoney$]

can you?

I think she gave relevant and intelligent answers to every question asked. Don't see how that makes me biased?

I'm not above giving Obama a compliment when he does something I find admirable. So no, I don't think just because I'm supporting McCain that necessarily makes me biased.

[Laver1969]

Hey Rob,

I remember reading somewhere on one of these threads that you had thought the Dems/Obama would win in a landslide. What's changed your mind? Palin? McCain's the same guy he was last year.

She's definitely the lightning rod that's sparked the Republicans...but she's more like Bush than Bush. She's not a pretend cowboy, she a real moose hunter. Real far right wing.

[Bob]

I think she gave relevant and intelligent answers to every question asked. Don't see how that makes me biased?

I'm not above giving Obama a compliment when he does something I find admirable. So no, I don't think just because I'm supporting McCain that necessarily makes me biased.

for real? you have unironically used the words "maverick" and "hurricane sarah" when referring to the mccain campaign, you don't think you're biased at all?

[Dorothy Wood]

I will hand it to her for being composed and able to deliver answers without stammering. although she did say nukular like GW instead of nuclear which was funny because Charlie kept repeating it with the proper pronunciation.

she has the gift of gab, that's certain, and she definitely speaks with a lot of confidence, more than McCain even, I'd say.

Other than that, I'm fairly sure she's a sociopath based on my observations. I've highlighted some common characteristics of sociopaths that I think fit her. some of the others might fit her too, I don't know enough about her to guess though.

Profile of the Sociopath


Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily. Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)


:cool:

[QueenAdrock]

One thing I don't agree with either candidate on is Israel. Fuck those guys. Seriously, we're constantly kissing their asses and they've attacked us in the past (USS Liberty, anyone?). Fuck Palestine too, for that matter. They're both evil, and people refuse to see that.

Though I know saying "Fuck Israel" won't win anyone an election, I hope people can at least start coming to their senses and see that they're not as great as people make them out to be.

[mikizee]

I was just about to say fuck Israel too.

They break more international laws than anybody, except for maybe the US.

Fuck Israel and fuck the US.

Tyrants? Ain't no country more dangerous for the peace of the world than the good 'ol USA.

If any other country was as arrogant, international lawbreaking and warmongering as the US, the US would have bombed them out of existence long ago.

What would happen if another country suddenly decided that pre emptive war was the norm? What if another country decided that invading any country it wanted to further its interests and achieve its goals was OK? The US would jump up and down about it until their faces went blue, then they would bomb them out of existence.

Fuck the US. Fuck em, fuck em, FUCK EM.

Postscript- I already note the irony of posting this rant on a US website about a US band. so you don't need to point that out.

[RobMoney$]

Hey Rob,

I remember reading somewhere on one of these threads that you had thought the Dems/Obama would win in a landslide. What's changed your mind? Palin? McCain's the same guy he was last year.


I still think Obama will win. That doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him.
Considering the current administration is running at around a 20% approval rating, this should be a lay-up for the Dems. The GOP has no business even being within 10 points of Obama in the polls, but they are.
It blows my mind that they're going to find a way to blow another one here.

[RobMoney$]

I was just about to say fuck Israel too.

They break more international laws than anybody, except for maybe the US.

Fuck Israel and fuck the US.

Tyrants? Ain't no country more dangerous for the peace of the world than the good 'ol USA.

If any other country was as arrogant, international lawbreaking and warmongering as the US, the US would have bombed them out of existence long ago.

What would happen if another country suddenly decided that pre emptive war was the norm? What if another country decided that invading any country it wanted to further its interests and achieve its goals was OK? The US would jump up and down about it until their faces went blue, then they would bomb them out of existence.

Fuck the US. Fuck em, fuck em, FUCK EM.

Postscript- I already note the irony of posting this rant on a US website about a US band. so you don't need to point that out.


Yes, let's abandon the one ally we have in the most unstable and extremist part of the entire world. Let's make one more enemy, (and BTW Israel is no Iran or Iraq, they actually have a military, not some guys running around the hills planting mines with a 50 cal. in the back of their pick-up trucks), Let's allow nuclear weapons to be used and millions of people to be killed because someone believes their fairy-tale God Allah is more better than the other guys fairy-tale God Jesus.
Without the tyrannical good ol' USofA, these dopes in the Middle East would likely have already killed millions more innocent people than they already have because they were from the wrong tribe or they believed in the wrong God or whatever stupid reason.

[mikizee]

I still think Obama will win. That doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him.
Considering the current administration is running at around a 20% approval rating, this should be a lay-up for the Dems. The GOP has no business even being within 10 points of Obama in the polls, but they are.
It blows my mind that they're going to find a way to blow another one here.

I agree

[Bob]

If any other country was as arrogant, international lawbreaking and warmongering as the US, the US would have bombed them out of existence long ago.

no, we only bomb the shit out of countries that can't fight back

[fucktopgirl]

Why we aren't bombing Iranian nuclear facilities as we speak is beyond me. I hope McCain does it within his first 100 days in office.

You are a moron, that for sure!! You think that continuing bombing is a good solution in our time. Don't you think we have enough problem now and that we should concentrate on maybe fixing things rather then to increase world chaos? You really think that war is the solution? Do you even think?

Palin is a stupid nazi bitch, while watching the interview , a feeling of violence surge in me, this woman need to get beat up. Freaking republican with their war agenda.

You know how i call this B-SHIT.

[RobMoney$]

You are a moron, that for sure!! You think that continuing bombing is a good solution in our time. Don't you think we have enough problem now and that we should concentrate on maybe fixing things rather then to increase world chaos? You really think that war is the solution? Do you even think?

Palin is a stupid nazi bitch, while watching the interview , a feeling of violence surge in me, this woman need to get beat up. Freaking republican with their war agenda.

You know how i call this B-SHIT.


Yeah, you know what hon,
I'm glad you don't agree with me or my political opinions.
The Dems & Liberals can have you.

[fucktopgirl]

Yeah, you know what hon,
I'm glad you don't agree with me or my political opinions.
The Dems & Liberals can have you.

That what i though, you cannot think.

You know,it is because of people like you that the world is in a bad shape. I mean, if someone with intelligence can take a deeper look of what the world has been since the Bush/republican are in power( not to far of a strech in history) , he would see that it is a pure catastrophe. Your republican don't even care about others nation, they did as they please all the way. This is pure lack of respect for other countries and our world. It demonstrate a sense of superiority which reveal a self-centered agenda. And they justify they behavior with the realism theory....:rolleyes:

I mean, a simple question come to mind: why the USA , and many others, are able to have nuclear energy/weapons. And why other cannot. As far as i know, USA is the only country that bomb another one. And they want to do it again.

That right, bombing nuclear facilities, wise move....

[RobMoney$]

Uggh...

I don't have the time to explain politics to you.

Just realize that the moment you said "Palin is a stupid nazi bitch who needs to get beat up" you lost any credibility.

[fucktopgirl]

^ right...

From all i said, you pick this line. That prove that you have nothing intelligent to say.

BY the way, I know a bit about politics, my minor at the university is in politic so, ya know!!

heH, i don't have to time either to talk with a senseless mind ,well, a little bit.

[Bob]

Yeah, you know what hon,
I'm glad you don't agree with me or my political opinions.
The Dems & Liberals can have you.

no, we don't want her. maybe the anarchists can have her

[Knuckles]

no, we don't want her. maybe the anarchists can have her

She should just stick to making her mosaics (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1612867&postcount=915). They are quite awesome. (y)

[fucktopgirl]

^thanks :)

By the way, i don't adhere to any specific political party. So, nobody can have me, case close. You can all relax now.

[saz]

Are you seriously under the assumption that Iran is no threat to Israel or the US? Do you really believe their nuclear program no longer exists?
Fuck, don't tell me you're one of those idiots who believe Ahmadinejad when he says their nuclear program is "for peaceful purposes" and thinks he was misinterpreted when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map"?

You say we can't afford another war? I say we can't afford not defend ourselves against tyrants like this.

no, iran isn't a threat. pakistan has had nuclear weapons for years, but i don't see you nor the right-wing ideologues going ape shit over them; even though that's where osama bin laden and al qaeda are now based, with political instability being the norm there for quite some time. do you honestly believe that iran now being the most dominant power in the region, that they would risk being wiped off the face of the planet? i don't think so. ditto north korea. ahmadinejad isn't a peacenik, but he doesn't want to bring about a nuclear holocaust either. he and others may spew anti-american and anti-israeli rhetoric, but they're not about to risk being wiped off the planet forever. quite frankly, i find ahmadinejad's rhetoric just as stupid and frightening as republican warmongering rhetoric. and yes rob, iran halted its nuclear program. sorry, but that's according to the last national intelligence estimate. i know that ignorant, extremist republicans don't like facts (ie no wmds in iraq, no connection between saddam and al qaeda), but would rather just shoot first, ask questions later, and reek havoc with very stupid and insane wars. iran doesn't even begin to compare with the threat posed by the soviet union during the cold war. enough of the regurgitation of bullshit republican fox news talking points.

oh, and the us military is stretched beyond all belief and has hit a breaking point. post-traumatic stress and suicide rates are skyrocketing, the national guard is royally screwed, with the military occupying two middle eastern nations. so no, america can't afford a third war. unless of course you want to run the american military into the ground. but then again, republicans like running things into the ground, just like they did with the country over the last eight years.

[Laver1969]

extremist republicans don't like facts (ie no wmds in iraq, no connection between saddam and al qaeda), but would rather just shoot first, ask questions later, and reek havoc with very stupid and insane wars.

What sazi says brings me back to the thread topic and Sarah's first interview. She used the "you can't blink, you just have to be wired in a certain way" thing a couple of times. I'd actually like my leaders to blink a couple of times and make sure we know what we're doing before we do it.

[mikizee]

no, iran isn't a threat. pakistan has had nuclear weapons for years, but i don't see you nor the right-wing ideologues going ape shit over them; even though that's where osama bin laden and al qaeda are now based, with political instability being the norm there for quite some time. do you honestly believe that iran now being the most dominant power in the region, that they would risk being wiped off the face of the planet? i don't think so. ditto north korea. ahmadinejad isn't a peacenik, but he doesn't want to bring about a nuclear holocaust either. he and others may spew anti-american and anti-israeli rhetoric, but they're not about to risk being wiped off the planet forever. quite frankly, i find ahmadinejad's rhetoric just as stupid and frightening as republican warmongering rhetoric. and yes rob, iran halted its nuclear program. sorry, but that's according to the last national intelligence estimate. i know that ignorant, extremist republicans don't like facts (ie no wmds in iraq, no connection between saddam and al qaeda), but would rather just shoot first, ask questions later, and reek havoc with very stupid and insane wars. iran doesn't even begin to compare with the threat posed by the soviet union during the cold war. enough of the regurgitation of bullshit republican fox news talking points.

oh, and the us military is stretched beyond all belief and has hit a breaking point. post-traumatic stress and suicide rates are skyrocketing, the national guard is royally screwed, with the military occupying two middle eastern nations. so no, america can't afford a third war. unless of course you want to run the american military into the ground. but then again, republicans like running things into the ground, just like they did with the country over the last eight years.

case fucking closed

[JohnnyChavello]

Why we aren't bombing Iranian nuclear facilities as we speak is beyond me. I hope McCain does it within his first 100 days in office.

If he does, I hope he straps your greasy fat ass to the first bomb dropped.

[100% ILL]

Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure.
Abraham Lincoln


http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/abraham_lincoln.html