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DroppinScience
09-13-2008, 08:41 PM
I'm gonna be bi-partisan here and blast BOTH Obama and McCain for this, as Bill Moyers discusses the NY Times' Jackie Calmes' article giving a back story to the government bailout of mortgage banks Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

You can fast-forward to 21:30 in the video for the visuals to accompany these words.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09122008/watch2.html

Speaking of good journalism, check out the front page story in the NEW YORK TIMES by Jackie Calmes. We'll post it on our website at pbs.org. Calmes joined the TIMES after 18 years at the WALL STREET JOURNAL covering politics, economics and public policy.

In the TIMES this week, she tells an important back story to the government's takeover of the mortgage banks Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This is a move that could drive up the national debt by as much as $200 billion. To come up with the cash, the Bush Administration is reaching deep into your and your kids' pockets. With the help of the Center for Responsive Politics, Jackie Calmes came up with facts to help us try to understand how, over so many years, such wild mismanagement of both corporations was allowed to happen. Why weren't the watchdogs barking? Where were the people's representatives? The answer? Follow the money.

Both Barack Obama and John McCain say the Fannie and Freddie mess is the result of the cozy ties between lobbyists and politicians, the very thing they will "change" if elected. But guess what? Neither one of them has ever had, quote, "A record of directly challenging the companies."

To the contrary, Obama is second among members of Congress in donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's employees and political action committees, even though he's only been in the Senate since 2005. The former chairman of Fannie Mae originally led Obama's vice presidential search committee but had to step down in a controversy over favorable loans he received, while at Fannie, from a company doing business with Fannie.

Among Obama's contributors are three directors and one senior vice president of the two companies. Furthermore, Obama's fellow Democrats in Congress have long been enablers of both corporations.

And what about John McCain? His entire campaign team stepped right out of a predator's ball. His confidante and top adviser lobbied several years for Freddie Mac. His deputy fundraiser lobbied Fannie Mae, and his campaign manager lobbied for both of them, leading a coalition of beltway insiders whose goal was to "stave off regulations" that might have short circuited this nightmare.

One wealthy member of Freddie Mac's board has contributed more than $70,000 to McCain and Republican Party members working for McCain's election.

Even the guy who vetted John McCain's vice presidential options is a former lobbyist for Fannie Mae.

This week, both Obama and McCain are speaking up for taxpayers, like you and me, who have to foot the bill. But locking the beltway barn door after the horse is gone leaves the stable smelling like you know what.

Now, Senator Obama denounces "golden parachutes" for the deposed execs of the two institutions. Now, John McCain blames Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's troubles on "cronyism" and "special interest lobbyists." Beg pardon? Does McCain know that if he really intends to throw the bums out he'll have to start with his own inner circle. As we've heard, you can rewrite the myth but you can't rewrite the facts.

RobMoney$
09-13-2008, 08:51 PM
I'm confused by your tactics, Lambert.
What do you want me to do with this bi-partisan stuff?

I continually give and give, all I ask is that you keep feeding me lefty propoganda for me to keep hitting out of the park and you throw me this curveball?

DroppinScience
09-13-2008, 09:11 PM
I'm confused by your tactics, Lambert.
What do you want me to do with this bi-partisan stuff?

I continually give and give, all I ask is that you keep feeding me lefty propoganda for me to keep hitting out of the park and you throw me this curveball?

Rob,

You have completely misunderstood who I am and what I am about from the get-go. You have painted me and others as an "Obamatron," but things are hardly as black and white as you may think. There's shades of grey. Surprising, I know, but try to bear with me for a moment.

Yes, I do personally really like the man a lot and think he has what it takes to be a good President. Between McCain and Obama, I'm siding with Obama resolutely. However, you fail to notice that I am a progressive first and foremost and I want progressivism to win out in the end. This means I place progressivism above the Democratic Party and Barack Obama or anyone else. If there is a Democrat in the White House and/or a Democratic majority in the House & Senate, it means precious little if they're not going to push progressive policies when it comes to health care, education, poverty, you name it. No matter who holds office, a grassroots movement is necessary to push the politicians and the courts in the direction of social justice. Voting in Obama and hoping he'll do the right things in office is too passive a role to play and is naive. Voting in Clinton in '92 didn't bring universal health care. Voting in Kennedy (and then Johnson) didn't bring in civil rights legislation (at least not until the public outcry and pressure got to be too loud for them to ignore).

You may also forget that unlike some Democratic (either those who lean that way or intend to vote Democratic) posters on this board, I am sympathetic to those who are in third parties and recognize what they have to contribute to the discourse.

Once again, I'm not who you say I am. I never have been. I think critically, and although I attack the hell out McCain/Palin a lot more, Obama is never off the hook. I don't think I need to remind you how outraged I was when he voted for the FISA bill. But apparently I need to bring it up again and again.

RobMoney$
09-13-2008, 10:08 PM
It was a joke man.
Everything OK with you? seriously.

100% ILL
09-13-2008, 10:20 PM
Mcain,Obama.........It's a toss up really. On the one hand you have "free health care" (higher taxes) More programs for the under priviledged (higher taxes) and lets not forget leaving Iraq (losing the war) for the Chinese and Russians and Iranians to fight over. And raising the minimum wage (inflation)

On the other hand you have immediate off shore drilling for oil, drilling in the Alaskan wilderness for oil, and continuing to fight in Iraq for oil.

It's a win win really. Personally I'm voting for the candidate with the hottest VP(y)

DroppinScience
09-13-2008, 10:22 PM
It was a joke man.
Everything OK with you? seriously.

A joke? Like every other post you've made on this forum. Thanks for the clarification.

yeahwho
09-13-2008, 10:28 PM
Mcain,Obama.........It's a toss up really. On the one hand you have "free health care" (higher taxes) More programs for the under priviledged (higher taxes) and lets not forget leaving Iraq (losing the war) for the Chinese and Russians and Iranians to fight over. And raising the minimum wage (inflation)

On the other hand you have immediate off shore drilling for oil, drilling in the Alaskan wilderness for oil, and continuing to fight in Iraq for oil.

It's a win win really. Personally I'm voting for the candidate with the hottest VP(y)

Hey! Look what the presidential election dragged back through the BBMB door. Greetings and salutations Mr. 100% ILL!

Voting for Obama too, yep that Biden is a hottie!

100% ILL
09-13-2008, 10:40 PM
He is at that. He almost gives credibility to the Obama ticket.

Greetings to you as well.

yeahwho
09-13-2008, 10:49 PM
Have you come back to help all of the misguided democrats?

100% ILL
09-13-2008, 11:03 PM
Have you come back to help all of the misguided democrats?


Hillary already tried that, you see what it got her.

Bob
09-13-2008, 11:33 PM
Mcain,Obama.........It's a toss up really. On the one hand you have "free health care" (higher taxes) More programs for the under priviledged (higher taxes) and lets not forget leaving Iraq (losing the war) for the Chinese and Russians and Iranians to fight over. And raising the minimum wage (inflation)

On the other hand you have immediate off shore drilling for oil, drilling in the Alaskan wilderness for oil, and continuing to fight in Iraq for oil.

It's a win win really. Personally I'm voting for the candidate with the hottest VP(y)

taxes....war....taxes....war....taxes.......war... .....gotta go with the war, because man, fuck poor people

100% ILL
09-13-2008, 11:43 PM
taxes....war....taxes....war....taxes.......war... .....gotta go with the war, because man, fuck poor people

Really, poor is a relative term. Most everyone in America, even the "poor" are doing relatively well. Besides the military provides all kinds of jobs especially for the poor, they even provide $60,000 for college once you get out. Taxes on the other hand are a real pain in the ass.

Bob
09-14-2008, 12:08 AM
Really, poor is a relative term. Most everyone in America, even the "poor" are doing relatively well. Besides the military provides all kinds of jobs especially for the poor, they even provide $60,000 for college once you get out. Taxes on the other hand are a real pain in the ass.

ohhhhh, you're joking, i get it now

100% ILL
09-14-2008, 12:49 AM
ohhhhh, you're joking, i get it now

Apathy is the problem. So many want the government to bail them out. It's absoloutly absurd. Health care for everyone will have an expensive price tag, not to mention specifics on health care providers. Hell insurance companies are bad enough i wouldn't want the government telling me who my doctor should be. But that issue aside, we must be very assiduous in our departure from Iraq. To simply walk away would be admiting that the situation is insluble. We owe it to ourselves to provide them with a viable infrastructure. failure to do so would have catastrophic results.

This whole "let them fix it themselves" attitude is akin to the afore mentioned apathy. Certainly maintaining a strong military presence in the region is in our best interest.

So no I don't think you "get it"

Bob
09-14-2008, 12:58 AM
Apathy is the problem. So many want the government to bail them out. It's absoloutly absurd. Health care for everyone will have an expensive price tag, not to mention specifics on health care providers. Hell insurance companies are bad enough i wouldn't want the government telling me who my doctor should be.

yeah i guess you're right, i mean other countries have tried it and it's not like it's ever worked or anything

But that issue aside, we must be very assiduous in our departure from Iraq. To simply walk away would be admiting that the situation is insluble. We owe it to ourselves to provide them with a viable infrastructure. failure to do so would have catastrophic results.

This whole "let them fix it themselves" attitude is akin to the afore mentioned apathy. Certainly maintaining a strong military presence in the region is in our best interest.

So no I don't think you "get it"

so you're not joking. oh.

alien autopsy
09-14-2008, 09:56 AM
keyword, cheer, standing ovation, broken promise, broken promise, keyword, applause. presidente(y)

of course they are rife with corporate corruption. you have to be to raise the stock to become an elected official. it is the foundation of american democracy. it is why we have so much, are so efficient and dominant.

it aint worth it tho

abbott
09-14-2008, 11:19 AM
why do you need lobbyist when you have constituents?