with all the trouble in the United States

[SobaViolence]

i started thinking, what everyone of a certain mind considered a pending police state, i see clearly it wasn't that incorrect. But that doesn't go far enough.

i thought a little more, and considered everything that's happening and it was during a conversation with my father that it hit me: the USA is turning into a National Socialist state, with government running most facets of life, and a small cabal of venomous, right-wing 'hawks' running the government, with an incestuous relationship with large, private multinational corporations, financial, commercial and military.

'We know what's right, be thankful we're in charge, because you're dumb and don't get it. We're the only ones with the answers.'

this is more frightening than anything i had previously imagined. And with its tentacles around every country's market's throat, the world is now held hostage to the whims of this cabal of thugs.

[kaiser soze]

Odd

I just told my girlfriend that with the bail out of these companies by the government this means we are stepping closer to socialism

Have you heard of the Shock Doctrine or Disaster Economics?

call me a conspiracy freak but what is happening is quite similar

[yeahwho]

Agreed, Naomi Klein author of the Shock Doctrine was on Bill Maher last night along with Andrew Sullivan and Wil Am I. It was an excellent debate on personal responsibility vs. government deregulation.

We need a new government. The past 20-30 years of disregard for the American worker is what we've wrought.

What does "Made in America" mean to anybody anymore? Bailout? Drill? The citizens of this Great Country have been conditioned to servitude.

Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Payne, these two Tom's warned us in the beginning to not let this happen. I felt ashamed at both the democrats and republicans when they ignored the poor during their respective conventions. They could of made a real statement about food banks, shelter and homelessness in America, but instead we got football arena politics and drill, baby drill.

These guys are really out of touch. The campaign managers are making them look like asses.

Just my opinion, if your going to pull this socialist bullshit why not help those who are really hurt.

[kaiser soze]

My friend is a staunch republican and believes social programs are a waste and that people are responsible for themselves regardless of the circumstances.

What pisses me off are those who hate the "socialist" belief systems of the left but yet milk the citizens/government for all that they can when their luck is down.

Anyone who says it is good to cut off social program funding should be ashamed of their government for fishing out these greedy corporations and execs becuase they are the BIGGEST fucking Welfare recipients of all!

Imagine if Social Security was privatized 5 years ago....you know how many people would be at a fucking loss? Washington would be on fire.

There are things that just can't be privatized to ensure the security of the interior of the Nation State. Government programs Already belong to the people (supposedly), and now it looks like these corporations do too.

[kaiser soze]

Just my opinion, if your going to pull this socialist bullshit why not help those who are really hurt.

Looks like FEMA is fucking it up again in the Gulf, but look how quickly the bankers and insurance execs get their relief. Not to mention the cushy cash landings on their way out of the windows.

[kaiser soze]

Dept of Interior Scandal - Denver Minerals Management Service in drug fueled sex bribes.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/10/1374826.aspx

http://www.doioig.gov/

So imagine our surprise when the Inspector General released reports today on Capitol Hill alleging that government officials handling billions of dollars in oil royalties engaged in illicit sex with employees of energy companies they were dealing with, and received numerous gifts from them.

As the wires are reporting, the alleged transgressions involve 13 Interior Department employees in Denver and Washington. Their alleged improprieties include rigging contracts, working part-time as private oil consultants, and having sexual relationships with -- and accepting golf and ski trips and dinners from -- oil company employees.

Cronyism, Corruption, Conspiracy - virtues the bush administration should be proud of

[100% ILL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mAWslHmiok

This "little" incident occured in 1999 while I was living in Washington State. A peaceful protest against the W.T.O (world trade organization) turned into a war where the police and national guard where the only ones armed.

[kaiser soze]

Isn't that going to be a movie?

[yeahwho]

A few days before the WTO arrived in Seattle the town became different, different people, different thinking and different ideals began to infiltrate the streets of downtown. I was living at a place walking distance to the convention hall the WTO were to hold their convention.

One of the funniest and most foreboding things I remember was an old Hearst from the 60's that had a faux pas giant bomb attached to it's roof with great big letters on it spelling "Welcome to the WTO" driving up and down Seattle's streets a few days before and right up till convention time.

I marched with my Dad's union and about 20 other AFL-CIO unions perhaps a thousand union members and their families in our group without incident. Most of the real trouble was easy to spot for us but somehow baffled the Seattle Police Department. Of course we were right in the thick of it and the Seattle Police Department actually made an honest attempt to let the protesters exercise their First Amendment rights.

It was fucked up in the end, some very good people were caught up in some very random acts of violence by a just a few fucked up anarchists that endangered innocent bystanders.

But we were there to stop the selling out of our jobs to international countries who could give a shit about our planet and any civil liberty of their respective citizens. The right thing to do and I would do it again, I wonder when the next WTO convention will be held here in Seattle?

[SobaViolence]

it's becoming more and more clear each passing day that the USA is turning into a corporate oligarchical fascist state.

the real war is coming...

[yeahwho]

it's becoming more and more clear each passing day that the USA is turning into a corporate oligarchical fascist state.

the real war is coming...

Something is really amiss here in this country. Our elected representative democracy is looking more and more like thugs, deregulating corporate entities then bailing them out with extorted tax from the working stiff. Not unlike underworld bookies, not unlike that at all. And we're going international with our gang. Breaking into new markets.

No one is safe from the most recent financial collapse. What I do not understand is this, why are my fellow citizens so set against holding irresponsible politicians accountable?

[SobaViolence]

Holy Fuck. (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/)

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

[kaiser soze]

I was looking for that article, so what are they expecting.....terrorist attack or civil unrest due to suspension of the constitution and democratic elections?

This is preparation of Marshall Law, somebody knows something the citizens do not

[alien autopsy]

y'alls conspiracy theorists

[kaiser soze]

all theory eventually becomes fact

All you need to know is a little bit of history

[alien autopsy]

oh stop it with all that police state stuff. i dont want to hear it. the united states would never turn on its own people! thats what FEMA is for, to protect us against natural and manmade disasters.

[kaiser soze]

oh yeah FEMA....

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5828158&page=1

http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2006/06/femas-600-prison-concentration-camps.html

[chromium05]

oh stop it with all that police state stuff. i dont want to hear it....

And therein lies the problem.

" I don't want to hear it " At what point WILL you want to hear it??

Wake the fuck up!!!

[SugarInTheRaw]

oh stop it with all that police state stuff. i dont want to hear it. the united states would never turn on its own people! thats what FEMA is for, to protect us against natural and manmade disasters.

yeah! stop it!!

And therein lies the problem.

" I don't want to hear it " At what point WILL you want to hear it??

Wake the fuck up!!!

what is with all this conspiracy bullshit? there is no way that there has been an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act in the US government.

[travesty]

Once again I have to state how important it is for every American to exercise their 2nd Ammendment rights. You may not want or think that you will ever need a gun to defend yourself and your family from this "cabal of thugs" masquerading as our democratically elected government...... but someday you might, and that day seems more and more probable every time I read the news lately. If that day come I hope that those of you who believe that a Ghandi-like non-violent revolution will work are right. However, I will be prepared should things not work out so easily.

Owning a gun does not mean you are going to kill someone any more than owning a car means you are a Formula 1 driver. But just as being a trained race car driver does make you better prepared to own a car. Being a trained, competent gun owner does make you better prepared to defend yourself from those who would do us harm and the government knows it. If the fact that Americans are fairly well armed as a country gives the government even a momments pause when deciding how to best control the masses, then it is worth it in my opinion.

I know many others do not agree, so I have taken it upon myself to make sure that I have enough arms for 5 or 6 of my neighbors to be able to defend themselves as well because they refused to see it coming.:D I hope all of you have a neighbor like me.:eek:

[yeahwho]

I know many others do not agree, so I have taken it upon myself to make sure that I have enough arms for 5 or 6 of my neighbors to be able to defend themselves as well because they refused to see it coming.:D I hope all of you have a neighbor like me.:eek:

OK, I'll bite, who is neighbor #6 that you've neglected to store up arms for? Or is it just "draw a straw" peacecreep's and then you'll tell the neighbor with the short straw to use garden tools, lawn darts hair spray and matches.

[100% ILL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSVVtrOFnOM

EXACTLY!!!

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgewash118164.html


Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.

George Washington





Oh alright I'm just kidding

[yeahwho]

the threat of impeachment isn't going to work

ever

so

WTF

why wouldn't a corrupt underworld organization spend billions of dollars to run this country?

[travesty]

OK, I'll bite, who is neighbor #6 that you've neglected to store up arms for? Or is it just "draw a straw" peacecreep's and then you'll tell the neighbor with the short straw to use garden tools, lawn darts hair spray and matches.

First come first served. The longer you wait to realize what is happening, the better chance there is you'll be duking it out with the Blackwater boys using a garden hoe and pooper scooper. Although lawn darts are interesting....gonna have to find some of those.

[alien autopsy]

cheers to this. you all are finally talking like pissed off tired of this bullshit americans. fucking a get pissed.

and just in time for it all....
Army (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/) troops to deploy on american soil

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro (gcavallaro@atpco.com?subject=Question from ArmyTimes.com reader) - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.
Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.
Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.
It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.
But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.
After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.
“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”
The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.
Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.
Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.
The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.
In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.
The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.
“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”
The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.
“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.
“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”
The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).
“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”
While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.
“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.
Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.
Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.
Other branches included

The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.
Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.
A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.
In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.
There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.
“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.
“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

[Sarky Devotchka]

wait, I don't get it. the army is going to be patrolling the united states? and they're not exactly saying why?

*stockpiles canned goods*

[alien autopsy]

its department of homeland security duh!

[yeahwho]

First come first served. The longer you wait to realize what is happening, the better chance there is you'll be duking it out with the Blackwater boys using a garden hoe and pooper scooper. Although lawn darts are interesting....gonna have to find some of those.

There's always the group therapy approach (http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/supermansteel.jpg)

[travesty]

Therapy never solved anything.

[100% ILL]

Therapy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzJteV8JJI