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alien autopsy
09-23-2008, 05:33 PM
the news (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/)


Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1



3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro (gcavallaro@atpco.com?subject=Question from ArmyTimes.com reader) - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.
Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.
Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.
It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.
But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.
After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.
“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”
The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.
Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.
Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.
The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.
In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.
They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.
The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.
“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”
The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.
“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.
“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”
The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).
“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”
While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.
“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.
Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.
Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.
Other branches included

The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.
Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.
A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.
In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.
There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.
“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.
“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

alien autopsy
09-23-2008, 05:34 PM
dont worry they have tasers, and all kinds of non-lethal shit. and those "pain ray" microwave beam shooting trucks. we are in good hands. they would never use those on americans right?

yeahwho
09-23-2008, 05:49 PM
I'll give them snaps for proper pacing and a witty walk, but just because they're British it doesn't mean they can out sway our own Gay Pride Day parades.

alien autopsy
09-23-2008, 06:06 PM
what?

yeahwho
09-23-2008, 06:14 PM
what?

"Took a whole lotta trying, just to get up that hill. Now _we_ up in the big leagues."

alien autopsy
09-23-2008, 06:39 PM
"okay...."

Bob
09-23-2008, 06:51 PM
hey, maybe we can actually start invoking the 3rd amendment finally

travesty
09-23-2008, 08:21 PM
hey, maybe we can actually start invoking the 3rd amendment finally

No shit! Probably the least used and most forgotten of all of them. Bring it on, that would be funny.... "Sorry Sarge, we ain't the Hilton and you ain't welcome, move along soldier" Though they would almost certainly declare a war of some sort in order to skirt the 3rd. Maybe " The War on Us" or "The War on 'Mericans" or "The War to Settle the Score"....anyhow sumtin' like that.

kaiser soze
09-24-2008, 12:18 PM
Here's a street...ehem I mean road they can patrol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M8FOm22VCs&eurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x196955

100% ILL
09-24-2008, 05:05 PM
In all actuality it sounds like they're tasking active duty units to do the work of national guard units.

kaiser soze
09-24-2008, 05:13 PM
You are correct and this is in direct violation of the Posse Comitatus Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

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Edit

If the soldiers obey these orders they are in all actuality traitors

alien autopsy
09-24-2008, 06:39 PM
In all actuality it sounds like they're tasking active duty units to do the work of national guard units.

you ahve to ask yourself why? why are soldiers who are already stressed to the point of breaking from duty in iraq and afghanistan being asked to come home and be soldiers here, in their own country.

100% ILL
09-24-2008, 07:16 PM
I especially thought this part was touching. "I don't know what the plan is I just know... blah blah blah.


“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”


Honestly, after reading the article, It sounds kinda like a thrown together plan that will change in the future. I mean look at all the training they're going to get "jaws of life" (Fire and Rescue), Extra medical training (EMT),
working with the Forestry Service, WTF? IF anything this SHOULD be a mission for National Guard units, in conjuction with these other agencies.
Combined with all the Riot training it looks like they want to form a unit that can respond to any and everything without the aid of any other agency, which is a tad disturbing. However I know I've speculated in my statement. It is easy to see how this kind of force could be abused.

Also, kaiser soze, that was pretty interesting information on the Posse Comitatus Act. I'd actually never heard of it (not surprising) I'm sure I'm not the only one. That's probably what the government is counting on. Take away our freedoms a little at a time.

Ali
09-25-2008, 09:06 AM
you ahve to ask yourself why? why are soldiers who are already stressed to the point of breaking from duty in iraq and afghanistan being asked to come home and be soldiers here, in their own country.
This is complete bollox, considering there aren't enough US troops in Afghanistan.

And now the Pakis are shooting at US helicopters!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7635893.stm

alien autopsy
09-25-2008, 10:39 AM
The pakistanis are shooting at our helicopters because they have denied us permission to conduct raids within their borders, but we are doing it anyway. They are supposedly one of our best friends on the war on terror, right? Well, why are we ignoring their calls for an end to these raids and blowing up peices of their country?

Truth is, at the battle of tora bora many years back we let a large number of al qaeda and taliban officials and officers escape into pakistan. By all accounts, and most notably that of the CIA field officer in charge of intelligence gathering there, we LET them escape. why would we do that?


Most intelligence officials and analyst believe osama is in pakistan.

maybe it woudl cause more terrorism and more excuse for the war on terror...

maybe we had a deal struck with these leaders for some odd reason...

regardless of those possibilities, we let these leaders (some of the most wanted terrorists on the face of the earth) slip into pakistan, our best friend.

Now it appears, as the pakistani political situation is deteriorating, we are all of the sudden in their country bombing their people, probably taking out certain individuals who we feel dangerous...perhaps not because they are going to blow up a building, or launch a terrorist attack, but because they know too much.

chromium05
09-26-2008, 12:43 PM
you ahve to ask yourself why? why are soldiers who are already stressed to the point of breaking from duty in iraq and afghanistan being asked to come home and be soldiers here, in their own country.

Because the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have seen frontline action and therefore are more "de-sensitized" to violence than non-combative soldiers. Most soldiers that haven't seen action would baulk at the order to take action against thier own fellow citizens. Most of these guys that are to undertake the mission on US soil probably see you as just another target.

See this article (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/mili-s25_prn.shtml)


Anyone remember the John Titor episode a few years back? Go back and read over what he said - it's kind of interesting in light of recent goings on.....

saz
09-26-2008, 12:46 PM
Truth is, at the battle of tora bora many years back we let a large number of al qaeda and taliban officials and officers escape into pakistan. By all accounts, and most notably that of the CIA field officer in charge of intelligence gathering there, we LET them escape. why would we do that?

i don't think they allowed bin laden to escape intentionally, but rather it was down to classic bush administration incompetency, ie not getting an adequate amount of special forces into tora bora to do the job.

alien autopsy
09-26-2008, 08:51 PM
Call it what you will, the fact that it was Osama that we LET slip away is enough for me. With all the drones, missiles, bombs, aircraft and also, with our buddies in pakistan, we had tora bora totally surrounded and bombarded. shit like this doesnt just happen because of incompetence. thats a piss poor excuse if you ask me. but then again, the war on terror has never been about bin laden...

alien autopsy
09-26-2008, 08:54 PM
Because the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have seen frontline action and therefore are more "de-sensitized" to violence than non-combative soldiers. Most soldiers that haven't seen action would baulk at the order to take action against thier own fellow citizens. Most of these guys that are to undertake the mission on US soil probably see you as just another target.

See this article (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/mili-s25_prn.shtml)


Anyone remember the John Titor episode a few years back? Go back and read over what he said - it's kind of interesting in light of recent goings on.....

Good work. I mean, just think about it...a bunch of war crazes PTSD soldiers who have been fighting a war based on lies, in a harsh environment dealing with all the wonderful and terribly disturbign realities of occupation....get ready america. look the fuck out.