20th Year Anniversary of Pauls Boutique Soon

[Dyno-mite]

Hello All, been gone for some time but thought I should post. Sorry if this has already been mentioned. Some of you may remember me for re-mastering the Pauls Boutique demos to the best of my ability. So it's safe to say that my interest in the Pauls era runs deep. Anyway, the 20 year anniversary for Pauls Boutique release date is next year. This is one of the greatest albums of all time not to mention the Beasties at their best. I just wish the majority of the new generation would see that. But anyway, us old heads know the deal. The album could not even be made today with the current copyright laws involving sampling and such. So tell me if you agree the Beasties should put something out like a box-set or maybe even release the Pauls Demos officially. (Ones of better quality than what currently exists). I think one of the most treasured albums of all time warrants a special Anniversary. Let me know what you think........

[KENNY GUIDO]

If we never got a 20th for LTI, I highly doubt we will see one for PB.

[darius]

First let me say thanks for remastering tha pauls demos, without that remaster I probably would have never had a chance to bump those demo tracks nearly every day for the past year or so,(y)(y) (two thumbs up)
I think the majority of us here could only hope the beasties put out some kind of 20th anniv. demos/box set. They can't go wrong with any kind of release, their fan base stretches through nearly 20 years, my younger brother is 16 and as big a fan as anyone, as are most of his friends. I can just imagine myself at age 60 sitting on my front porch yelling at the neighbors kids while noddin my head to "hello brooklyn". Pauls Boutique has that unique flow that really can't get stale.
One ? for ya, did the original pauls demo have any extra tracks not included on the remaster? I read on another site that there are a two or more demos of shake your rump, one is known as a "pre shake your rump" that the dust brothers put together and the other was a diff. cut. I figure you of all people would know.

[b i o n i c]

there's always the 25th anniversary

[KENNY GUIDO]

there's always the 25th anniversary

yea, and monkeys might fly out my ass!:p

[camo]

Where can I get those remasters from dude? (y)

[Bernard Goetz]

Good topic. Here's my dream magazine ad for PB's 20th (made in my Photoshop class):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/sirstewart/PB_ad.gif

I'm curious about the remastered demos too :D

[Brother McDuff]

Good topic. Here's my dream magazine ad for PB's 20th (made in my Photoshop class):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/sirstewart/PB_ad.gif

I'm curious about the remastered demos too :D


nice work.(y)

[KENNY GUIDO]

Good topic. Here's my dream magazine ad for PB's 20th (made in my Photoshop class):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/sirstewart/PB_ad.gif

I'm curious about the remastered demos too :D


why july 25th? didnt it come out earlier? I remember getting mine in late June.

[DJ_Skrilla]

Where can I get those remasters from dude? (y)

cosign, I'd like to hear the "remastered versions". I dont really think the quality isnt there on the originals, its just probably that they were like 10x generation, and had been copied onto analog (tapes) a long time ago. I would love to hear a PB 20th anniversary edition, but given the content of the demos, I just dont think the bboys would release those officially.

(y)

[Knuckles]

Good topic. Here's my dream magazine ad for PB's 20th (made in my Photoshop class):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/sirstewart/PB_ad.gif

I'm curious about the remastered demos too :D

Dude, I remember having it on cassette. Nice.(y)

[Dyno-mite]

Sorry for the delay but anyway the question about other versions of Shake Your Rump......... I have heard that but never had heard them nor have proven it. "Full Clout" is the only other version I know. As far as the remastered demos, I will give a short story it was all rehashed on this site several years ago. Their were arguments about who originally sourced the demos and who should get the credit....blah blah blah. All I knew at that time is that I bought a cd on ebay and the description said Pauls Boutique Demos. The cd arrived no case, not art, a cdr no less. I listened and was floored by the content. But the content was very poor. So I bought a very expensive product (back then) GoldWave I believe and basically taught myself how to use the program. It took months. But I slowly figured it out I was even able to blend To All the Girls into one song, you know beginning the cd and then the ending of the cd into one track. Anyway, then being the little capitalist I was I decided to design some fat ass art work with PhotoShop another program I knew very little about. But the finished product looked cool. I only bought high dollar glossy inserts, the best cd cases you name it. They looked cool. So then I began to sell the cds on ebay to re-coupe my end. You would have thought I was selling crack the cds were hot very hot for a while some for $60 bucks each. This was before the crack down on copyright laws and ebay strict rules on unlicensed material. I was ignorant of all those things myself. I just though fans would pay for it as I did and wanted it to better. So the storm finally calmed down but not before I was contacted by one of the Dust Brothers, which one I forgot. But he told me that back in those days a lot was done reel to reel and that no one thought to save some of the original stuff. So he asked for a copy and I obliged. He was very cool. So then, once I started seeing my stuff copied and sold I stop doing it. It had ran its course. And I learned a few lessons. I never looked at it as wrong. But I do now. If I would have know about how to put stuff up on a site for free I would have. I just did not have that kind of knowledge. Any way that the story of the remastered demos. Not to mention it would seem to me that someone with more knowledge of music editing could do much better than I did. I'm surprised that has not happened........
Full Clout I'm Out.

[100% ILL]

Wow! has it been twenty years? Man I'm getting.......more mature. Droppin Science is my absolute favorite on the disk.

Dude, I remember having it on cassette. Nice.

Me too, matter of fact I still have a copy on cassette



*puts PB in the player*

[KENNY GUIDO]

Sorry for the delay but anyway the question about other versions of Shake Your Rump......... I have heard that but never had heard them nor have proven it. "Full Clout" is the only other version I know. As far as the remastered demos, I will give a short story it was all rehashed on this site several years ago. Their were arguments about who originally sourced the demos and who should get the credit....blah blah blah. All I knew at that time is that I bought a cd on ebay and the description said Pauls Boutique Demos. The cd arrived no case, not art, a cdr no less. I listened and was floored by the content. But the content was very poor. So I bought a very expensive product (back then) GoldWave I believe and basically taught myself how to use the program. It took months. But I slowly figured it out I was even able to blend To All the Girls into one song, you know beginning the cd and then the ending of the cd into one track. Anyway, then being the little capitalist I was I decided to design some fat ass art work with PhotoShop another program I knew very little about. But the finished product looked cool. I only bought high dollar glossy inserts, the best cd cases you name it. They looked cool. So then I began to sell the cds on ebay to re-coupe my end. You would have thought I was selling crack the cds were hot very hot for a while some for $60 bucks each. This was before the crack down on copyright laws and ebay strict rules on unlicensed material. I was ignorant of all those things myself. I just though fans would pay for it as I did and wanted it to better. So the storm finally calmed down but not before I was contacted by one of the Dust Brothers, which one I forgot. But he told me that back in those days a lot was done reel to reel and that no one thought to save some of the original stuff. So he asked for a copy and I obliged. He was very cool. So then, once I started seeing my stuff copied and sold I stop doing it. It had ran its course. And I learned a few lessons. I never looked at it as wrong. But I do now. If I would have know about how to put stuff up on a site for free I would have. I just did not have that kind of knowledge. Any way that the story of the remastered demos. Not to mention it would seem to me that someone with more knowledge of music editing could do much better than I did. I'm surprised that has not happened........
Full Clout I'm Out.


I got one of your copies. :)

[DJ_Skrilla]

Sorry for the delay but anyway the question about other versions of Shake Your Rump......... I have heard that but never had heard them nor have proven it. "Full Clout" is the only other version I know. As far as the remastered demos, I will give a short story it was all rehashed on this site several years ago. Their were arguments about who originally sourced the demos and who should get the credit....blah blah blah. All I knew at that time is that I bought a cd on ebay and the description said Pauls Boutique Demos. The cd arrived no case, not art, a cdr no less. I listened and was floored by the content. But the content was very poor. So I bought a very expensive product (back then) GoldWave I believe and basically taught myself how to use the program. It took months. But I slowly figured it out I was even able to blend To All the Girls into one song, you know beginning the cd and then the ending of the cd into one track. Anyway, then being the little capitalist I was I decided to design some fat ass art work with PhotoShop another program I knew very little about. But the finished product looked cool. I only bought high dollar glossy inserts, the best cd cases you name it. They looked cool. So then I began to sell the cds on ebay to re-coupe my end. You would have thought I was selling crack the cds were hot very hot for a while some for $60 bucks each. This was before the crack down on copyright laws and ebay strict rules on unlicensed material. I was ignorant of all those things myself. I just though fans would pay for it as I did and wanted it to better. So the storm finally calmed down but not before I was contacted by one of the Dust Brothers, which one I forgot. But he told me that back in those days a lot was done reel to reel and that no one thought to save some of the original stuff. So he asked for a copy and I obliged. He was very cool. So then, once I started seeing my stuff copied and sold I stop doing it. It had ran its course. And I learned a few lessons. I never looked at it as wrong. But I do now. If I would have know about how to put stuff up on a site for free I would have. I just did not have that kind of knowledge. Any way that the story of the remastered demos. Not to mention it would seem to me that someone with more knowledge of music editing could do much better than I did. I'm surprised that has not happened........
Full Clout I'm Out.

Cool Story, so uh can you zip up your work and upload them? I would like to hear the cleaned up versions.

[Lo_Lyfe]

Dyno-Mite, great story. That's doing it for the fans. (y)

This album is so absurdly ingrained in my life. I have a cassette copy in my car and I listen to it every single day. I typically hang around the first half of side 2 and crank the fuck out of 5 piece because of what comes next. Generally I fast-forward Shadrach (never been that keen on it - it's good, but my least favourite moment on the album) and play all the way back through. Indeed it is fear and loathing cross the country when I bump it in my cassette player. (y)

I could warble on so much about PB; I like it so much that it's insulting to some of the other great BB works, but it also puts in place the weaker stuffs. I always hoped if it were performed live in full that the beat changes would all be pre-89. I also think it's true what Chris Rock said about it sounding like a new album to this day. Not only the beats, but the level of writing is amazing, before the rhymes were openly dew-doo.

Another thread. (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=85470&highlight=Pauls+Boutique+Demos+Remastered)

[beastieboysbaby]

Me too, matter of fact I still have a copy on cassette



*puts PB in the player*[/quote]

no way! wanta....give it to me? i will pay.

[Brother McDuff]

So the storm finally calmed down but not before I was contacted by one of the Dust Brothers, which one I forgot. But he told me that back in those days a lot was done reel to reel and that no one thought to save some of the original stuff. So he asked for a copy and I obliged. He was very cool.

Its too bad to hear that alotta the original reels were not saved. That means that regardless of any polishing, Paul's Boutique could never get the supreme, overall re-mixing and mastering that it potentially could have. That surely explains why the camp never revisited the project on that tip. Given how seriously they began to take their sound and engineering post PB, im certain they're aware of the album's sonic inferiority to the rest of their catalogue.

oh wells. thanks for the story. i envy your getting to converse with one of the dusts. those guys are really something else.

[Kid Presentable]

The Dusts are not to be forgotten in all this PB talk, for sure.

John King interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbMBJ8iIr2E). This doesn't really go into Paul's that much, but fuck it. It's looking really unlikely in my opinion that anything would be done to commemorate this album, if only because the band aren't solely responsible for it. So I guess that precludes it being performed live (and I'd love to be proven wrong on all counts).

I know they're not really performers, but getting the Dusts to set up a battle station shaped like a fishing boat with Mixmaster on the 1s and 2s while they programmed it up live with the BBs rhyming would be interesting. It would also share the credit pretty nicely and be a bit of a pink Floyd reunion kind of moment. Highly unlikely.

[Kid Presentable]

Mcduff I know you're tech head.

The studio proper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3FHarRJfMo&feature=user)

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I don't think they could remaster it like you guys are saying without re-making the entire album from the ground up. From reading the 33&1/3 book it sounds like the hardware they were using was too restrictive to go back and separate out all the tracks and whatnot. Plus they were just grabbing records and whatnot and by the end they couldn't remember what they used. So to really, change anything they'd have to find all the original records, find the isolated vocal tracks (if they ever existed), re-record all the music using modern equipment, and then mix in the vocal tracks over the new music. The chances that they'd be able to get the same vibes (loop points, mix, etc.) would be pretty slim and the end result would probably sound weird.

I've never really had a problem with the sound quality on Paul's Boutique anyway. Going back and messing with a classic is just a bad idea. Look at what Lucas did to Star Wars.

[MagicSpork]

Easily the best "second album" of all time...

[beastieboysbaby]

Easily the best "second album" of all time...

cheeeeeerz to that!

[Brother McDuff]

Mcduff I know you're tech head.

The studio proper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3FHarRJfMo&feature=user)


Thanks P. You're the man. Much, much, much appreciated. I'm a sucker for great footage of producers touring their studios, and the dust brothers are damn near my favorite. thanks again. (y)

[checkyourprez]

yea so where are them remastered shits dog?

[Dyno-mite]

Sir Scratch A lot we are mostly talking about the "Pauls" Demos being remastered or re-leased not the original album.

OK BOYS SOMEONE GIVE ME THE BEST WAY TO PUT UP THE DEMOS LINK ZIP OR WHATEVER AND I WILL DO IT. IM LEARNING MY MAC NOW SO HELP ME OUT WITH THIS....................

[RoryMC]

Easily the best "second album" of all time...

A lot of people on here think their follow ups are easily the best "third", "fourth", "fifth", "sixth" and "seventh" album of all time...

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Sir Scratch A lot we are mostly talking about the "Pauls" Demos being remastered or re-leased not the original album.

OK BOYS SOMEONE GIVE ME THE BEST WAY TO PUT UP THE DEMOS LINK ZIP OR WHATEVER AND I WILL DO IT. IM LEARNING MY MAC NOW SO HELP ME OUT WITH THIS....................

I see, but that makes it even worse, because the chances of any isolated vocal tracks being around are even less likely.

One thing that I see a lot of people misunderstand about musical recordings is that you can't just take the final product that the public listens to, run it through some machines and software and make it sound good. Good sound comes from high quality source material, which is usually many different audio tracks (vocal, drums, different samples, etc.) that are all seperately EQed, adjusted, and then mixed together to make the final song. When you have the seperate tracks, if your bass is too muddy, you can filter just the bass so that you don't affecting the vocal and other parts of the song that sound good. How the source material is EQed, mixed, and mastered is part of a good recording, but if your source material is sub par then your end result is likely to be subpar.

Of course, people try to correct for poor source material and you can do some things to try to enhance the sound but there's only so much you can do to make it sound better, especially if you have the separate, original audio tracks that were used to make the final product. If you have the separate tracks you can't correct much for the poor recording quality, but you can correct mistakes that were made in the EQing and mix.

When you don't have the original, seperated audio tracks, the situation is even worse because you can't do much except for filter and eq the poor sounding final product. This is of limited help because you can't correct previous EQ or mixing problems like you can when you have access to the seperate audio tracks. If the bass is too muddy, you can filter it, but you also have to filter all the other tracks so you filter out your vocal and whatnot too, which takes out parts of the sound you would want to keep.

When you're talking about demos, the problem is compounded even more because those recordings and mixes were never meant to be final products. Usually, there is very little effort put into getting the EQ, effects, and mix right so the sound quality on the final demo is poor, not only because of poor original recordings, but also because the EQing, and mix are sloppy.

So, for example, when you have the Paul's Boutique Demos that have been floating around out there and you want to make it sound better, there's not a whole lot you can do. The original audio tracks are half-assed, the eqing is half-assed, the mix is half-assed, and therefore the overall product has hiss, and noise, mud, etc. You can take the demo and do hiss removal, and that will get rid of a lot hiss, but it will also get rid of any high-end in the same frequency range. Compression and limiting will make things louder but will also make noise louder. Trying to filter out the resulting noise filters out more sounds in the same frequency ranges. You can filter out certain areas of the low end to get rid of mud but you'll cut out a lot of sound you would like to keep. You can't go in with precision and adjust the original seperate tracks because they are missing or destroyed. In a situation like this, just about everything you do has a destructive quality to it. You can make it sound a little more palatable but it is never going to sound good. So you're not really "re-mastering" the demos because you don't have the masters. What you're trying to do is more like polishing a turd.

To really "re-master" you need the master tracks (hopefully they are good recordings) so that you can correct many of the destructive processes that hurt the sound quality the first time around.

But hey, that doesn't mean people shouldn't do what they can to make the demos sound better. Maybe if people get some interest going we'll find out that the Dust Brothers held on to all the old original tapes! If so someone could clean them up, redo all the EQing, redo the mix, and redo the final master, all on modern equipment. The end result would sound way better.

Otherwise we're stuck with trying to polish a turd.

[Dyno-mite]

I agree polishing a turd is right. It becomes evident when I listen to the Pauls Instrumentals I have (no lyrics). You can still hear the lyrics faintly in the background on many of the tracks. It is very odd. As to your point about removing hiss, ect. That was one of the things I did way back then. There were a bunch of little things with the program that you could do, i.e hiss, pop, and those things helped. It at least made the tracks something you could actually listen to and enjoy. As for the Dust Brothers Matt or Mike (Cant remember) did tell me that they never thought to save everything like people do today. So he gave me the impression that he did not even have access to the demos. And they produced the album! Otherwise why would he contact me for a copy???? He also said he would open the "vault" and send me some stuff but never did. He was very busy with a new baby at the time. So I forgive him. I should have never referred to the demos as re-mastered. I did not know any better. I should have called them the "Cleaned Up Pauls Boutique Demos". LOL

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I agree polishing a turd is right. It becomes evident when I listen to the Pauls Instrumentals I have (no lyrics). You can still hear the lyrics faintly in the background on many of the tracks. It is very odd. As to your point about removing hiss, ect. That was one of the things I did way back then. There were a bunch of little things with the program that you could do, i.e hiss, pop, and those things helped. It at least made the tracks something you could actually listen to and enjoy. As for the Dust Brothers Matt or Mike (Cant remember) did tell me that they never thought to save everything like people do today. So he gave me the impression that he did not even have access to the demos. And they produced the album! Otherwise why would he contact me for a copy???? He also said he would open the "vault" and send me some stuff but never did. He was very busy with a new baby at the time. So I forgive him. I should have never referred to the demos as re-mastered. I did not know any better. I should have called them the "Cleaned Up Pauls Boutique Demos". LOL

By the way, I wasn't trying to come off as "correcting" anyone, I just thought people might like to know some of the difficulties with making those demos sound better. You're exactly on point talking about "instrumentals" where people have just filtered out the mid-range to try to remove the vocals. That filter also takes out a huge chunk of the backing tracks.

Talking about how you cleaned up the Paul's Demos, I did a similar thing with the Desperado demo that I inadvertently leaked out. I actually had similar concerns as you did. I had the demo at the end of a beastie boys mixtape I made for personal listening. I ened up adding that mixtape as a bonus to sealed MCA and Burzootie 12"s I was selling on eBay. I figured if people were going to pay a bunch for a rare record it would be cool to give them something extra (i.e. the Beastie mix) but the fact that the demo was on there started driving the prices up and people were e-mailing me just for the demo. I didn't feel right about making money off of it so I started trading it to some of the bigger fans instead. Of course, several message board members pulled dick moves and started selling it on Ebay trying to profit and take credit for "breaking" the song. As a result of that I held on to the rest of the stuff on the tape and it will never see the light of day.

But back to the sound quality thing, yeah, you can make things like that a little more listenable but its still poor. I think the hiss reduction is usually a good payoff if you tweak it right. The loss of sound in the high end is worth it. If you want to remove pops I've found its better to do it manually with a "pencil" tool instead of using a plug-in. EQing can help bring out a little more definition but you have to be pretty conservative or you end up cutting out a lot of the good sound. I just try to shoot for something a little more listenable.

One big thing with the demos is that when a lot of this stuff was first breaking people with shitty soundcards were doing the transfers which made it all that much worse. The soundcards added noise, turned stereo to mono, etc. If we could track down the dude who has the tape, and get that tape transferred to digital using a high quality sound card it might make a huge difference. Then you have a better source to work with.

[KENNY GUIDO]

I agree polishing a turd is right. It becomes evident when I listen to the Pauls Instrumentals I have (no lyrics). You can still hear the lyrics faintly in the background on many of the tracks. It is very odd. As to your point about removing hiss, ect. That was one of the things I did way back then. There were a bunch of little things with the program that you could do, i.e hiss, pop, and those things helped. It at least made the tracks something you could actually listen to and enjoy. As for the Dust Brothers Matt or Mike (Cant remember) did tell me that they never thought to save everything like people do today. So he gave me the impression that he did not even have access to the demos. And they produced the album! Otherwise why would he contact me for a copy???? He also said he would open the "vault" and send me some stuff but never did. He was very busy with a new baby at the time. So I forgive him. I should have never referred to the demos as re-mastered. I did not know any better. I should have called them the "Cleaned Up Pauls Boutique Demos". LOL

Are you sure he was actually one of the dust brothers? could have been someone pullin a scam on you.

[brmanuk]

One thing I've always fancied is remastering the album with a group of other people. Many of the acapellas are available from this site and surely there will be some technically accomplished types on this site that could source the tracks used (theres plenty of sample lists online) and remix, edit and produce the whole thing in 5.1 or even just in stereo, but with better levels.

Plenty of other fan bases (for cult films etc) make 'fan versions' of things. There are shitloads of fan-edits for various films.

I was gonna try Car Theif today, but then I released the main beat is a Beastie original. Maybe someone could re-record the beat using software? If so, we're flying cause the samples on that track are simple enough.

[brmanuk]

Ok, guys and girls. I've attempted to re-create Car Thief using the original samples and beat etc. I sourced the original tracks, edited them, adjusted pitch etc and pasted it all together using Acid Pro. I have liturally done this in about 1 hour so bare with it. It needs various extra edits (Pitch control, EQ'ing, filters, length edits) but I think you can see that once it's tidied up it'll be possible to re-create (and thus re-master in the process) various tracks from PB.

Heres a clip from the first verse.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/20095159cbd96fb8/

Comments and suggestions please!

[M.C. Guevera]

I like it! I wanna hear more of it! :)

[facedownfall]

not sure if this is legit:

http://www.albumvote.co.uk/news/beastie-boys-go-back-to-paul-s-boutique-430.aspx

[Savage Jimmy]

how do i download it? i jus keep gettin circled back to DOWNLOAD NOW CLICK HERE, then its a nother click here to download then back to the other one.

[Laver1969]

not sure if this is legit:

http://www.albumvote.co.uk/news/beastie-boys-go-back-to-paul-s-boutique-430.aspx

Well, they have the year wrong. PB was released in 1989. But it would be nice if they recognized the 20 year anniversary. Hopefully, the re-release would offer something extra/special.

[Brother McDuff]

nice find, facedownfall. doesnt sound too promising....yet. but definitely something to keep an eye on. good work. (y)

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Well, they have the year wrong. PB was released in 1989. But it would be nice if they recognized the 20 year anniversary. Hopefully, the re-release would offer something extra/special.

Very good news, about the re-release and the new material.

Thanks for posting that mang! (y)