Mccain wants to suspend debates due to economic crisis

[kaiser soze]

And This is a man who helped create this mess? So he wants to suspend the debates (which really should take much time from mccains "legislative" duties) so he can help shove tax payers money up the asses of his buddies ( Remember Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? )

The debates are just as much of a SERVICE and would put the Country First.

The American public Deserves to see what their candidates have to say and nothing. Mccain wants to run from the debates and Palin hides from the media. These people do not give a shit what you or I or We The People think....just like their predecessors

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872907

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama rejected Republican Sen. John McCain’s dramatic call Wednesday to delay Friday’s presidential debate because of the economic crisis.

“This is exactly the time when the American people need to hear from the person who in approximately 40 days will be responsible for dealing with this mess,” Obama told reporters in Clearwater, Fla.

[kaiser soze]

Honestly....Can't Congress and bush sort this out without Obama and mclame?

The news of his "debate bail out" is spreading!

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/mccain-shocker-demands-delay-o.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/24/politics/fromtheroad/entry4475541.shtml

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/24/in-risky-move-mccain-cancels-campaign-debate/

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/24/mccains-call-to-cancel-debate-met-with-resistance/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13853.html



It's even on Drudge :eek:

http://drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

EXCLUSIVE: LETTERMAN MOCKS MCCAIN CANCELLATION
Wed Sep 24 2008 17:41:58 ET

David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.

Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, "Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?"

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil."

"He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?"

"What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"

Developing...


Let's see how the right wing spins this! Mccain helps bail out rich friends with your and your children and your grandchildren and your great grandchildren's money!

[yeahwho]

I must say this is the most fucked up individual I've ever seen run for president. He picks Sarah Palin, has a voting record in which 90% of his choices are lockstep with George W. Bush and he himself has presided along with the Republican Congress the most reckless deterioration of Finances in the shortest period of time in recorded history on any planet currently known to mankind. This sort of downfall usually takes 500 years.

Now he sort of would like to ignore "We the People" and not talk about it.

Perhaps he should send Sarah Palin to Washington on Friday to straighten out these corrupt corporations.

He is an asshole. Fucking get up on that stage, stand at that podium and start fucking telling the citizens of the United States your intentions.

[kaiser soze]

Why doesn't he concede already ?!?!

I hope to GOD this is not another step towards something a bit more ominous for the American People. The news of soldiers is already out.

He has also pulled his political advertisements. I think his campaign has a hole in it and they are trying to SAVE their money.

[RobMoney$]

McCain's campaign advisers are pulling out all the stops on this one.

If McCain "suspends" campaigning and Obama does not, McCain can accuse Obama of being more concerned about winning than the country. McCain gets brownie points for his "sacrifice".

If Obama agrees to McCain's request and suspends his campaign too, he loses momentum and gives McCain a chance to catch up in the polls.

Win-win for the wily Maverick. :cool:

[kaiser soze]

Serving his ego is trying to cover his ass and protect his elite buddies while hiding from the American Public

that is not doing his job...which right now in the eyes of millions is being a Presidential Candidate

Why did you completely edit your response?

And I do see that this might be strategic....filthy as usual.

People will see the cowardice through the "I Care" facade

and who does he Care for? The elite or those who are paying for this mess?

[QueenAdrock]

I like Obama's response:

"It is going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once. It's more important than ever to present ourselves to the American people."

Seriously, what is McCain going to do while suspending his campaign? Save the economy single-handedly? It's just a photo op on his part, people see through it. If he can't deal with two things at once, how's he ever going to be a good president? A financial crisis comes along, he freaks and cancels everything.

[DroppinScience]

I dunno, if the Presidential Debate Comission (which is non-partisan) is still going ahead with its plans for the Friday debates, then I don't see McCain's call for a suspension to do a lot of good. I think people are deeply concerned what the candidates would do to handle this economic crisis, so a debate on it would be well-served.

[ToucanSpam]

What a horribly transparent ploy.

[kaiser soze]

If people were smart enough to know mccain helped put this economy where it is at, they would call for him to explain himself .... At The Debates!

This man should be kept away from anything resembling a "financial bail-out"

two words

KEATING FIVE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five)

[DroppinScience]

If people were smart enough to know mccain helped put this economy where it is at, they would call for him to explain himself .... At The Debates!

This man should be kept away from anything resembling a "financial bail-out"

two words

KEATING FIVE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five)

It does say that John McCain (as well as John Glenn) was cleared and exonerated though.

[RobMoney$]

Why did you completely edit your response?

And I do see that this might be strategic....filthy as usual.


I edited because I came down with a case of pneumonia?
I edited because I changed my mind on what I wanted to say.

...and you call it filthy, I call it politics.

[RobMoney$]

If people were smart enough to know mccain helped put this economy where it is at, they would call for him to explain himself .... At The Debates!

Ever consider that he did try to stop it until the Democratic congress killed his bills in committee?

[Bob]

Ever consider that he did try to stop it until the Democratic congress killed his bills in committee?

which bills?

[kaiser soze]

I was about to ask that

Which bills and when? The past 2 years?

[Documad]

We went ahead with an election during a civil war and we had campaigning during WWII.

It's really fucking important that we pick the right president in November. It's more important than whatever McCain could contribute in DC on a Friday night as one of about 500 people working on the problem. :rolleyes:

Unbelievably fucking weak. He really must be scared of what he could possibly say about the economy Friday night, given that he has a long history of favoring the deregulation that allowed the financial shenanigans that are taking us down the shitter.

[kaiser soze]

So if mccain becomes president he will only be able to do one thing at a time?

weeeak

[Laver1969]

Well...he could put in a full day work in DC. Then take a nap on the hour or so flight to Mississippi for the debate. Then be back in DC Saturday morning.

This is such a pussy move by McCain.

I think this could really backfire. I believe the people deserve to hear from the two candidates directly and their plans if they're President.

I hope Obama's margin widens to 20 points after this move.

[jennyb]

GOD Grampy McSame is SUCH an asshole. (n):mad:

[King PSYZ]

The best part is how McCain is trying to take credit for the two of them talking about the crisis and trying to get something done.

Barack calls McCain at 8:30 am trying to get their heads together, you know, country first and all... Then it takes McCain 6 or so hours to return Barack's call and nearly immediately after hanging up with Obama he holds an "impromtu" press confrence about how he's trying to work with Obama on the crisis if only he'd give his answer...

So more than likely McCain and his team spent that 6 hours this morning calls the press corp and preparing a statement throwing Obama under the bus and by the time Obama can prepare a press confrence he'll be late to the party. Sure enough the news networks ate it up, we're waiting on a response form the Obama campaign... Class McCain, real class.

And even though it's fairly easy to confirm and document, when Obama says he reached out the McCain it doesn't hold the same weight since McCain spun it otherwise.

Somehow congress survived the last year and a half without you Maverick, I'm pretty sure they could spare a few hours on Friday night for you.

[Documad]

Well...he could put in a full day work in DC. Then take a nap on the hour or so flight to Mississippi for the debate. Then be back in DC Saturday morning.

This is such a pussy move by McCain.

I think this could really backfire. I believe the people deserve to hear from the two candidates directly and their plans if they're President.

I hope Obama's margin widens to 20 points after this move.
Seriously! It's a Friday night!


I suspect that part of the problem is that, at his age, he needs to rest all day to get ready for the hour long debate.

[RobMoney$]

The best part is how McCain is trying to take credit for the two of them talking about the crisis and trying to get something done.

Barack calls McCain at 8:30 am trying to get their heads together, you know, country first and all... Then it takes McCain 6 or so hours to return Barack's call and nearly immediately after hanging up with Obama he holds an "impromtu" press confrence about how he's trying to work with Obama on the crisis if only he'd give his answer...

So more than likely McCain and his team spent that 6 hours this morning calls the press corp and preparing a statement throwing Obama under the bus and by the time Obama can prepare a press confrence he'll be late to the party. Sure enough the news networks ate it up, we're waiting on a response form the Obama campaign... Class McCain, real class.

And even though it's fairly easy to confirm and document, when Obama says he reached out the McCain it doesn't hold the same weight since McCain spun it otherwise.

Somehow congress survived the last year and a half without you Maverick, I'm pretty sure they could spare a few hours on Friday night for you.

Ok, lets say I agree with all of your points about how McCain is totally manipulating the situation.

Doesn't Obama have to take at least a little blame for being so easily manipulated? I mean this is big league politics. Is Obama up to this level of gamesmanship? Because if he isn't then maybe he isn't ready to be President afterall.

It just seems like Obama is being schooled here, no?

[King PSYZ]

Yes, you're right, being a backstabbing dick is totally a job requirement for the "leader of the free world" as we like to call our country's president...

I actually see Obama as a classier guy for not holding a press confrence at 9am stating he reached out to McCain but he couldn't be bothered to talk with him yet, but that he was working with Congress and advisors to see what he could do to address the situation and be of help and if it was felt his imput would be warranted.

Instead he was doing something that didn't need a press confrence, he reached out to frankly the only other high name politician right now to look into presenting a unified vision for fixing this mess to help instill a little confidence in the electorate.

The only ones that belive the manipulation of McCain are the ones already in the pocket for him.

And cancelling Dave Letterman to go back to work and address the current financial crisis, great. Cancelling under those pretenses and then doing an interview with Couric down the street (with the same network!) during the same time frame because it would hit more eyes is downright disgusting. I am glad to hear Dave found out through his producers and called him on his shit.

[Laver1969]

Ok, lets say I agree with all of your points about how McCain is totally manipulating the situation.

Doesn't Obama have to take at least a little blame for being so easily manipulated? I mean this is big league politics. Is Obama up to this level of gamesmanship? Because if he isn't then maybe he isn't ready to be President afterall.

It just seems like Obama is being schooled here, no?

Here's the press conference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9PGP3m2hSo) Obama held regarding the issues and phone calls this morning. Looks like he's got the gamesmanship to me.

[Documad]

I am glad to hear Dave found out through his producers and called him on his shit.

I can't wait to see it. :)

[Documad]

Here's the press conference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9PGP3m2hSo) Obama held regarding the issues and phone calls this morning. Looks like he's got the gamesmanship to me.

Obama looks so presidential there. It makes me think how nice it would be to have someone like that in charge of the country for four years.

[King PSYZ]

I can't wait to see it. :)

Chewy goodness right here, just text but what a picture it paints (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/letterman-mccains-cancellation-not-funny/)

[Documad]

“What, does McCain think the Senate will still be working at 9 p.m. Friday?” Gov. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania said in an interview, referring to the scheduled start time of the debate. “I think this is all political — I wish McCain had shown the same concern when he didn’t show up in the Senate to vote on the extension of the renewable energy tax credit.” (y)

So I spent a little time on the internet without a clear answer. How exactly did McCain announce this? Written statement or press conference? Did McCain answer any questions? Didn't he go 6 weeks without a press conference--was yesterday his first one? I'm confused.

[Documad]

Chewy goodness right here, just text but what a picture it paints (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/letterman-mccains-cancellation-not-funny/)
Ha ha. They better not edit that shit tonight!

[Bob]

Obama looks so presidential there. It makes me think how nice it would be to have someone like that in charge of the country for four years.

but he's inexperienced!

[travesty]

PLEASE! What the fuck are these two douchebags going to say in a debate that is going to be so important anyway. The level to which their campaign accusations have dropped is so childish that I am not conveniced these two tools could even have a rational debate. If it's just going to be "He doesn't know anything about the economy" and "He has no real experience" then I would much rather those two haul their ass back to washington and tackle this problem we are having. THAT IS THEIR FUCKING JOB RIGHT NOW! You and I are paying their salary while they are not doing their job! Wish I could get away with that. In my opinion, ploy or not, I'm with McCain on this one. Obama can cry all he wants about the debate but there are more pressing matters right now and I expect the people who have been voted in to office to attend to their jobs during this time of crisis. Your fucking presidential ego-trip can wait.

[King PSYZ]

“What, does McCain think the Senate will still be working at 9 p.m. Friday?” Gov. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania said in an interview, referring to the scheduled start time of the debate. “I think this is all political — I wish McCain had shown the same concern when he didn’t show up in the Senate to vote on the extension of the renewable energy tax credit.” (y)

So I spent a little time on the internet without a clear answer. How exactly did McCain announce this? Written statement or press conference? Did McCain answer any questions? Didn't he go 6 weeks without a press conference--was yesterday his first one? I'm confused.

I happened to have MSNBC on when it went down, little impromtu press confrence that sounded about as rehearsed and homoginized as one could expect from his campaign done within minutes of his returning Obama's call from 6 hours prior.

He ended it with a statement along the lines of "we're waiting to hear from the Obama campaign" when in fact it was Obama who had initiated the contact. It took about an hour or two til he was ready with a statement making it appear as if he was stalling, with the anchors playing right into the McCain line of we're waiting to hear what Obama has to say about Maverick's grand plan accross the aisle...

As was already mentioned, if Obama stops airing ads like McCain, then he looses ground. If he continues he's the black man beating up on the old white veteran... There's really no good way out for Obama here when it comes to the undecided voters and the "easily manipulated" masses who eat up everything Hannity and friends has to say.

McCain meanwhile must know something to stop running ads (AKA saving millions in cash). Either he knows it's a lost cause and is trying to stay out of debt or he's going to stockpile the money and hope on continued contributions to hopefully outspend Obama in the final push.

What does intrest me though, look at the record ammounts of money both have raised... Seems like that's a powerfull financial source to tap in times of crisis. Imagine if Obama could tap his donor base into helping with education, medical care, disaster relief, mortgage crisis, etc.

[Documad]

^^ it's a chicken-shit move. I hate to get my hopes up, but I think people who aren't hard-line republicans will see through it, especially given the recent nice poll numbers for Obama. It smells so bad.

I can't imagine what he was thinking when he snubbed Letterman but did Couric. That's suicidal.


My favorite part: The Daily Kos has McCain's talking points -- the ones he issued to his campaign workers. McCain told his campaign workers how to campaign about calling off the campaign. The talking points were accidentally sent to the press. Beautiful. :p

[Documad]

I'm watching part 2 of the Obama press conference. Obama: "We both have big planes with our names painted on them. We can get from Washington to Mississippi."

[Echewta]

BREAKING NEWS

Sorry McCain, you need to be able to debate and save the country at the sametime. Its called multitasking and truely being Presidential.

[jennyb]

Obama looks so presidential there. It makes me think how nice it would be to have someone like that in charge of the country for four years.
four? EIGHT baby! ;)

[kaiser soze]

The media is not very forgiving

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7OraQ5yyaA&eurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x197772

[Ali]

Maybe McCain has just realised what an unholy Bush/Cheney fucking mess he's going to inherit if he wins?

Wonderful to see the Chickens coming home to roost, shitting all over Dubya's bed. He sounded so desperate asking for that bailout money for his rich greedhead friends. Let's just hope that money stays where it is (or gets used to help people pay their mortgages!).

If every single Bank on Wall Street goes bust today, they will be foreign owned by Friday, but STILL OPERATIONAL! That's what spells the end of the world for Bush. Bring it on. Loving the legacy of utter crapness that is GW Bush.

[Burnout18]

Heres a thought, instead of making friday's debate on foreign policy, they should make it all about the economy.

[yeahwho]

Honestly and realistically, is there a better forum, a better timed or more anticipated political event (even without this bailout plan) than the United States Presidential debates to air out to the citizens footing the bill what the status quo is on the bailout plan?

Does anybody think Bush's talk the other night will be the one more watched?

For our 700 billion dollars just pretend as if your transparent and accountable on Friday night. We don't have to kiss.

[D_Raay]

Frank says that House and Senate Democrats have agreed upon what should be in the Wall Street bailout legislation. This morning Frank, his Senate counterpart -- Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, D-Conn. -- and top Republicans will meet to try to hammer out a final agreement. He was optimistic.

“All of a sudden, now that we’re on the verge of making a deal, John McCain drops himself in to make a deal," Frank said. "I really worry about this politicization of it."

"Frankly, we’re going to have to interrupt a negotiating session tomorrow between the Democrats and Republicans on a bill, where I think we’re getting pretty close, and troop down to the White House for their photo-op, and then come back and get on to it," Frank said.

“We’re trying to rescue the economy, not the McCain campaign,” he added.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/barney-frank-wh.html

And there you go... This is a desperate ploy to save his campaign. McCain knows his chances are falling faster than the Dow did last week and this whole thing is just an effort to turn things around.

I hope Documad is right and people are too smart for this, alot of people voted for W so I am not getting my hopes up. Hopefully, the media does their job here.

[QueenAdrock]

Heres a thought, instead of making friday's debate on foreign policy, they should make it all about the economy.

Totally agree. Though if that was the case, McCain would have to sit that one out anyways since he's proclaimed that he "doesn't know much about the economy" and still thinks the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Wait, he backpedaled on that one, right? (n)

[Dorothy Wood]

oh man, I think mccain's made a big mistake here. awesome!


Travesty, there are committees that obama and mccain are not even a part of that are working on this issue. They've already put in the work, so why should those two swoop in and try to be a part of something and take credit for a plan they haven't been around for?

At this point you can moan and groan all you want about the candidates, but like it or not, one of these men will be our president! wake up! dismissing everything they do helps no one. I want accountability! I want them to tell us what they want to do about this crap, seriously, the american people deserve to know.

[travesty]

oh man, I think mccain's made a big mistake here. awesome!


Travesty, there are committees that obama and mccain are not even a part of that are working on this issue. They've already put in the work, so why should those two swoop in and try to be a part of something and take credit for a plan they haven't been around for?

At this point you can moan and groan all you want about the candidates, but like it or not, one of these men will be our president! wake up! dismissing everything they do helps no one. I want accountability! I want them to tell us what they want to do about this crap, seriously, the american people deserve to know.

I agree. I changed my tone when I saw Frank say the finance committe had it handled and that McCain was just going to get in the way. I guess I fell for the ploy there for a minute.

As far as accountability, I would love to have it to, but I haven't seen an inkling of it coming from either of these guys. We all know how campaign promises fall by the wayside once elected anyhow. Shit, Obama has already grossly repositioned himself on troop withdrawals and offshore drilling just within a few months, imagin what is going to happen when he gets in office and takes his first bite of the HUGE shit sandwich he is going to have to deal with. The likes of which I don't hear either sounding too concerned about just yet.