Democratic attack add by far the worst yet. Attacks McCain for being Cancer victim

[RobMoney$]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHvJPGnkQxE

Well, I thought the commercials on both sides were getting dirty before, but this one hits a new low. Showing a closeup of band-aids on McCain's face, it then quotes a young doctor who says, blandly "if melanoma is spread through the body, you are unlikely to survive. " This statement is made completely without context.
Then the question: "Why won't McCain release his medical records?"

I have now seen this disgusting piece of trash three times today on MSNBC. It says "Paid for by Democracy for America".
I looked up Democracy For America, and per Wikipedia. It's a PAC that was started by Howard Dean and run by his brother. And that's what's the most disturbing thing about this add, it's not like this is Moveon or Larry Flynt or someone else of less reputation. Dean is Chairman of the DNC, basically heading the entire Democratic party, and they come up with this?

It's really sad that people are resorting to this tactic. To me, it's nearly as low as the Swift Boat ads from the last election. Those were worse, because they questioned an honorable man's character. But this one stinks as well.

I realize it's tough to hold Obama responsible for ads he had no part in creating, but that doesn't mean that "Swift Boat" ads are acceptable. I expect Obama to come out and denounce it as he did when he called the Palins' private lives off-limits. Silence on something like this equals acquiescence to its message.

The Dems continue to be an unorganized mess who can't manage to get out of their own way. And MSNBC has pretty much become what FOX News is for the GOP.

[kaiser soze]

agree'd (n)

I don't think an attack ad like this is respectable nor productive. There are many cancer survivors who have contributed greatly to society and sadly there have been many great contributors to society who have succumbed to the disease.

This could easily swing votes from cancer patients/survivors and families of cancer victims

Yes, health should be a concern but use some tact!

[YoungRemy]

I haven't seen the ad, nor do I believe in that style of politics,however, McCain's health IS a factor to American voters.

and now more than ever, especially if he doesn't make it through an entire term, we'd be stuck with President Palin.

scary thought, huh?


Palin should step down as VP candidate

[Bob]

it is a tasteless ad, yeah.

is mccain under some kind of obligation to release his medical records? if not, i think that's a pretty shitty thing to attack him for. medical records are kind of personal, aren't they?

[King PSYZ]

ads like that are loathefull, but please don't use wikipedia as a source of facts.

until there's more concrete evidence it was Howard Dean responsible for this ad, we should leave it at this was done by some misguided people. considering how Obama has gone out of his way to stay away from attacks on personality, family, and the like and stick to policy, voting records, and political stances I'm pretty sure he wouldn't support such an ad.

but to me it's just as disgusting as saying Obama wanted to give "in depth" sexual education classes to little kids and hand out condoms to 3rd graders, and that was a McCain ad approved by him.

[RobMoney$]

it is a tasteless ad, yeah.

is mccain under some kind of obligation to release his medical records? if not, i think that's a pretty shitty thing to attack him for. medical records are kind of personal, aren't they?


I've read that he let a select group of reporters review them, but limited the time they got with the records to 3 hours. His records are over 1100 pages in length. I don't think he's required to, but it's more of a courtesy that's been done by Presidental candidates for some time. It's become expected, especially for a candidate with health issues.

This is the insidious nature of these type of third party attack ads. They are disgusting, (which this one no doubt is) but then people see a kernal of truth within them and everyone starts ruminating. I am just as susceptible, but it is just so disturbing.

[RobMoney$]

but to me it's just as disgusting as saying Obama wanted to give "in depth" sexual education classes to little kids and hand out condoms to 3rd graders, and that was a McCain ad approved by him.


That was bad too, though not as bad because it discussed an actual issue.

[ToucanSpam]

Pretty sleazy ad. Maybe the worst muck slinging I've ever seen. Did Obama personally approve this ad?

[saz]

boohoo, it's politics, and it's a blood sport. just look at the swift boaters and what they did to john kerry in 2004. the dems should be taking off the gloves and hitting hard.

anyone running for the presidency should release all of their medical records, especially when the candidate is very old, has a history with cancer and health concerns, with the candidate selecting a jesus freak redneck bimbo as their running mate.

it was the same scenario with paul tsongas in 1992. he was previously diagnosed with non-hodgkins lymphomahe, but in the '92 campaign said he was cancer free, with his doctors backing him up. but it returned in '97 and he died.




Is McCain concealing medical records?
By ARI MELBER | 9/25/08 9:39 AM EDT

John McCain, like everyone else, will die someday.

Unlike the rest of us, however, he could die in the White House, where he would be 80 at the end of two terms. So it’s rather surprising that as the general election hits the homestretch, the McCain campaign has effectively squashed efforts by journalists, medical experts and the political class to fully examine his medical records.

The most recent review of McCain’s records cannot be described as independent or thorough. In May, the campaign gave a limited group of reporters only three hours to review thousands of documents. Aside from the time limit, the selected reporters were “ensconced” in a cone of silence, as CNN reported. The campaign banned the use of cell phones or e-mail for journalists, who might have consulted with experts while assessing the medical information. It’s not clear why so many news outlets consented to such terms.

A little access went a long way for the McCain campaign.

The cone of silence document review spawned articles reporting that McCain was not only healthy but also “cancer-free,” as The Boston Globe put it. Reporters who reviewed the records and testimonials from his doctors also indicated that McCain’s cancer, thankfully, had not recurred since a melanoma operation in 2002.

However, there were also diverging accounts of how long McCain had been cancer-free. The AP reported that he “had an early-stage squamous cell carcinoma, an easily cured skin cancer, removed” in February.

Some independent doctors say that even if McCain is perfectly healthy, the three-hour cone of silence review was insufficient.

“It certainly would have helped the reporters’ review if they could have had access to expert opinion while they had access to the medical records,” Dr. Daniel Vlock said.

“At the very least, it would seem that the press should have been afforded the same type of review an outside physician would expect — unhindered access and the ability to consult with experts,” added Vlock, a former melanoma clinic director who advocates a full, “updated” review of McCain’s records.

Of course, no one doubts McCain’s personal tenacity, from braving torture to overcoming cancer.

Yet plenty of nonpartisan observers doubt his credibility.

McCain’s recent repetition of falsehoods and lies on the campaign trail have drawn corrections from independent experts (The Annenberg Public Policy Center), news organizations (The Washington Post) and even conservative allies (Bill O’Reilly, Karl Rove).

Now, just because the McCain campaign lies about lipstick and earmarks, that doesn’t mean the campaign is lying about his personal health. But many politicians do hide their medical problems.

During the 1992 presidential campaign, Democratic candidate Paul Tsongas downplayed the cancer that would soon take his life. His doctors “first said he was free of all cancer,” as The New York Times explained in November 1992, but after he dropped out of the race, they did “acknowledge” he had experienced a relapse. “It would be wise to require all presidential candidates to make their full medical records available for evaluation to an independent panel,” the Times editorialized, or to ensure “all serious candidates ... undergo examination by independent experts.”

McCain, along with the other candidates, should provide all of his medical records for complete, independent review. No time limits. No cone of silence. No exceptions.

Americans should not hold McCain’s age against him — I really don’t think they will — and if he has nothing to hide, an independent review will only fortify his argument that he is not only healthy but also candid about his health. Barack Obama’s aides have been careful on this topic, and it’s hard to imagine them using the records for trumped-up complaints.

Yet if McCain continues to withhold his most recent medical records, these legitimate questions will fester. In May, much of the media were easily intimidated. By September, many of the same beat reporters were indignant at the McCain campaign’s deceit and overbearing press management. By October, they might even call some doctors who aren’t on McCain’s payroll.

Finally, there’s the politics. The Obama campaign praises McCain’s service and rarely raises the issue of his medical records. Yet other groups are dialing up the pressure.

Brave New Films, the liberal firebrands behind “OutFoxed,” just launched a viral campaign pressing McCain to release his records. More than 2,000 doctors and 45,000 people have already signed a petition backing the effort.

Sen. Chuck Schumer recently weighed in, declaring that “when you’re running for president, everything should be public, including your full medical records.” Majority Leader Harry Reid added that McCain owes the public “total transparency” about his records. Both senators were speaking in response to interviews with the blog OpenLeft, which is pressing the issue along with MoveOn.

Finally, if McCain keeps stonewalling, at the coming presidential debates any moderator worth his makeup will be asking why McCain won’t come clean and release all of his medical records.

McCain won’t have a good answer, because there is no good reason to deny people this basic information as they weigh whether to make him the leader of the free world. If McCain doesn’t feel any duty to be straight with the public during the pressure of a campaign, don’t count on his being any more open, candid or honest if he’s elected.

link (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13856.html)

[saz]

oh yeah, msnbc might be home to keith olbermann and rachel maddow, but it's also home to joe scarborough, pat buchanan and tucker carlson. msnbc also doesn't make things up or contrive news stories, or push overt sexism, racism et al with their hosts or anchors yelling at and insulting their guests, cutting their microphones etc.

[RobMoney$]

oh yeah, msnbc might be home to keith olbermann and rachel maddow, but it's also home to joe scarborough, pat buchanan and tucker carlson. msnbc also doesn't make things up or contrive news stories, or push overt sexism, racism et al with their hosts or anchors yelling at and insulting their guests, cutting their microphones etc.


looks like I hit a nerve with the MSNBC comment I made...JEEEEZ LOUISE!

[Bob]

looks like I hit a nerve with the MSNBC comment I made...JEEEEZ LOUISE!

i know, seriously. look at you sazi, all responding and shit, you should be embarrassed for that outburst

[GreenEarthAl]

If MSNBC is becoming the FOX news of the left can they hire Phil Donahue back now?

[King PSYZ]

That was bad too, though not as bad because it discussed an actual issue.

Ummm, no, it didn't. Wanting to make sure they're teaching our kids to watch out for bad people, stranger danger, etc. is not the same as saying you want to teach in depth sexual education to little kids and hand out condoms to 3rd graders.

His health though is an issue, especially when he chose Palin as his running mate.

[RobMoney$]

Obama supports teaching kids sexual related topics in the classroom = a political issue.

McCain is a cancer survivor and is old = not a political issue.


Saying that you're concerned with his choice of VP as it relates to his age and health is not quite the same as saying he's old and has had cancer.

[travesty]

If MSNBC is becoming the FOX news of the left can they hire Phil Donahue back now?

Too old besides Olberman makes Donahue look like Newt Gengrich.

[ToucanSpam]

Obama supports teaching kids sexual related topics in the classroom = a political issue.

McCain is a cancer survivor and is old = not a political issue.


Saying that you're concerned with his choice of VP as it relates to his age and health is not quite the same as saying he's old and has had cancer.

I half agree. Both Obama's discussion of teaching kids sex ed AND McCain's choice in VP in relation to his health are both political issues. You may not agree that one is more important than the other but it is obvious that given what we know about his health McCain may or may not survive his first term in office, which means Sarah Palin becomes President of the United States of America.


That seems like a pretty important issue.


I'm not fully edumacated on Obama's sex ed discussions. Is he looking to teach younger kids about sex education? How much younger?

[QueenAdrock]

Pretty sleazy ad. Maybe the worst muck slinging I've ever seen. Did Obama personally approve this ad?

Not at all. If he did, it'd say "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message," at the end.

[Bob]

Obama supports teaching kids sexual related topics in the classroom = a political issue.

McCain is a cancer survivor and is old = not a political issue.


Saying that you're concerned with his choice of VP as it relates to his age and health is not quite the same as saying he's old and has had cancer.

kind of like saying that "obama wants to teach kids about sex" isn't quite the same thing as "obama wants to teach kids how to avoid pedophiles"?

[Documad]

I'm not fully edumacated on Obama's sex ed discussions. Is he looking to teach younger kids about sex education? How much younger?

Obama thought that kids in kindergarten should learn how to spot and avoid potential predators. Obama also thought that parents should be able to opt out if they didn't want their kids to participate. The PTA and various education and health organizations agreed with Obama.

McCain apparently has a problem with kindergarteners learning how to avoid sex offenders. :rolleyes:

I agree that the ad was dumb because it has the potential to backfire. I also believe that it's very important that McCain disclose his health status and it's very suspicious that he has refused. He has a high chance of dying in office even without the cancer and he decided to give us a grossly inadequate No. 2.

[RobMoney$]

What makes you say he has "a high chance of dying in office even without the cancer"? Because he's 72?


I mean McCain has no less of a chance of dying from cancer than Obama does of being assassinated if elected.
I consider both of those propositions to be equally out of bounds.

[ToucanSpam]

What makes you say he has "a high chance of dying in office even without the cancer"? Because he's 72?


I mean McCain has no less of a chance of dying from cancer than Obama does of being assassinated if elected.
I consider both of those propositions to be equally out of bounds.


McCain has had cancer three times and one of them if I am not mistaken was melanoma. That's what makes us think he has a high chance of dying in office. And I'm sure spending six years in a camp did wonders for his body long term.

[Bob]

I mean McCain has no less of a chance of dying from cancer than Obama does of being assassinated if elected.

i'd like to see the raw data please

[Documad]

What makes you say he has "a high chance of dying in office even without the cancer"? Because he's 72?
Yes. Look at life expectancy tables.

[RobMoney$]

And I'm sure spending six years in a camp did wonders for his body long term.


He's lived this long hasn't he? I mean what's it been, 30 years?
I think it's safe to say he's survived that experience, physically at least.

[RobMoney$]

Yes. Look at life expectancy tables.


...and George Burns lived to be 100 smoking a Cigar everyday.

What's "likely" to happen, sometimes doesn't always happen.
and judging from the debates, he seems pretty healthy to me, mentally at least.

[kaiser soze]

The stresses of presidency will take it's toll....especially a presidency in today's world. Wow what a mess to pick up.

His health is a concern and rightly so

[RobMoney$]

A concern,...OK, I'll go with you on that. It's legitimate to be concerned about his health.

but expecting him to die or predicting his death in the next four years is a joke.

[Bob]

i think discounting that possibility completely is a bigger joke, especially when you look at who will be taking over if he does die (look at her!). she is, if not woefully underqualified, ideologically repugnant. it'd be like having flanders as president.

[ToucanSpam]

i think discounting that possibility completely is a bigger joke, especially when you look at who will be taking over if he does die (look at her!). she is, if not woefully underqualified, ideologically repugnant. it'd be like having flanders as president.

I can see where Rob is coming from but you're right, it is stupid not to take into account the fact that he has had cancer 3 times and is statistically likely to either get it again or simply die by age 75 anyway.


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[travesty]

Yes. Look at life expectancy tables.

His mother is 96 and she looked every bit as healthy as he did or better at the convention. I know his pops is was only 70 when he passed, but average the two parents out and McCain has a ways to go.

[DroppinScience]

His mother is 96 and she looked every bit as healthy as he did or better at the convention. I know his pops is was only 70 when he passed, but average the two parents out and McCain has a ways to go.

Women DO live a lot longer than men across the board so I don't know if comparing his life expectancy to his mother is fair or is necessarily scientifically sound (anyone wanna chime in on that point?). I come from a family where the widows have been living as long as 30-some years after their husbands have passed on.

I mean McCain has no less of a chance of dying from cancer than Obama does of being assassinated if elected.

Any president (or presidential candidate) has a certain amount of risk in assassination attempts (they get threats all the time), but they have Secret Service protection. The Secret Service only protects from bullets, not from cancer.

[RobMoney$]

Let's all be honest with ourselves and admit that Obama is likely to have more threats on his life than the average President.

It's as legit a concern as cancer is with McCain, and I seriously doubt either issue will affect anyone's vote.

[Documad]

I can sleep at night with Biden as the backup. It's more evidence of how good Obama's judgment is (and how bad McCain's is).

[ToucanSpam]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/health/chi-mccain-lifespan-01-oct01,0,2007761.story

Talks about McCain's health, etc.

[kaiser soze]

I can sleep at night with Biden as the backup. It's more evidence of how good Obama's judgment is (and how bad McCain's is).

Absolutely!!!

but thank god palin reads ALL the newspapers :rolleyes:

that gives her just a weeee wittle chance of being a gooder president

but this is only if mccain can find himself the exit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-9zA0x5Sg&eurl

:confused:

[RobMoney$]

The way I see it, Palin may be green, inexperienced, and lack knowledge on some important issues, but Biden is a typical greaseball politician. They're gonna have to mop up after he leaves his podium at the debate. He has inspired absolutely no one and hasn't brought a single vote to that ticket. I'm not even sure if Biden and Obama have worked together before. It's like Obama just put a bunch of popular Dems names on the wall and threw a dart and Biden's name was the winner. Hillary has an entire network of friends in the party who her husband and her have working relationships with. Hell, the Clintons ARE the Democratic party, no matter if Obama wins or not, they'll still weild more power than Obama.
I shudder to think who will be offered cabinet positions in an Obama administration. It'll be time to get the dart board out again.

As for Palin, I like that she's a pitbull. That's what I liked about Hillary. If I had a business, that's the quality I would look for in people and who I would try to surround myself. I believe she's the type of person who will not fail. If she's ignorant on a certain issue, I think she would surround herself with the best possible people she could to help provide the necessary information so she could become informed and make the best decision. I trust her to do that far more than I would having a Biden led administration.

You don't have to know how to build a house if you have qualified architects and contractors who you can consult and then make decisions based on their advice.

[Dorothy Wood]

there's really no convincing mccain supporters that he might die.

the facts are he is more likely to die than not die at his age and with his health background. I'm not really expecting him to die, but as some other have said, I would be completely terrified if Palin had even the slightest chance of leading our country.

and so far I haven't gotten any real answers from mccain or his supporters, they can only answer questions with more questions. and it's incredibly annoying.

[Dorothy Wood]

The way I see it, Palin may be green, inexperienced, and lack knowledge on some important issues, but Biden is a typical greaseball politician. They're gonna have to mop up after he leaves his podium at the debate. He has inspired absolutely no one and hasn't brought a single vote to that ticket.

As for Palin, I like that she's a pitbull. That's what I liked about Hillary. If I had a business, that's the quality I would look for in people and who I would try to surround myself.

I believe she's the type of person who will not fail. If she's ignorant on a certain issue, I think she would surround herself with the best possible people she could to help provide the necessary information so she could become informed and make the best decision. I trust her to do that far more than I would having a Biden led administration.

You don't have to know how to build a house all by yourself if you have qualified architects and contractors who you can consult and then make decisions based on their advice.


I beg to differ, but I don't doubt she'd surround herself with people smarter than she is to make her decisions for her. what scares me is the people she will choose.

there's some pretty shitty architecture out there.


also, please provide me with evidence that biden is a "greaseball"

[yeahwho]

As for Palin, I like that she's a pitbull. That's what I liked about Hillary. If I had a business, that's the quality I would look for in people and who I would try to surround myself.

Comparing Palin to Clinton is hilarious. Thanks for the humor it's much needed during this period of a complete financial takeover the GWB administration is orchestrating.

Palin on the Bailout (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/25/palin-bailout-healthcare/); PALIN: That’s why I say, I like ever American I’m speaking with were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the tax payers looking to bailout.

But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Helping the — Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too. Shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americas. A

And trade we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. ALl those things under the umbrella of job creation.

This bailout is a part of that.

Clinton on the bailout (http://correntewire.com/hillary_on_the_bailout); Senator Clinton: Thanks to [Congressman Anthony Weiner] and [Congresswoman Nita Lowey], and to all of the House Democrats and the approximately one third of the House Republicans who stood up today and put partisanship aside, forgot what got us here for just a moment with a focus on what would get us out of the mess we’re in, and voted not only for Wall Street, but for Main Street.

This is not a situation any of us are happy to be in. This is a very tough time for our country and not only for our economy, our financial credit markets, but indeed for the world. There will be plenty of time to figure out what went wrong and how we’re going to come up with new regulations and oversight and demand more accountability.

But we now have to go back to the drawing boards, work together in a bipartisan way and come up with a solution that will actually make a difference for the problems that we are facing. I hope that we’ll be back in Washington as soon as we can. The only reason we’re not still there is because of the Jewish holidays-which everybody understands-but we will go back. I know the Senate will be back on Wednesday. We’re going to see what we can do to try to pick up those additional votes. We were ready to vote today or at the latest on Wednesday because we have faced up to the very unfortunate consequences that inaction produces.

This is not a time when doing nothing will see us through. We have to take action. It’s not a bill that any one of us particularly likes or that we would have written. It’s a compromise. And it’s a heck of a lot better than what we were sent by the Bush Administration last week. It does give us a lot more in the way of tools to try to get at the real problem, to have the kind of accountability and oversight that was needed, to distribute the money in installments so that we can wait and see how this is working.

We’ve got to get back together and I know that the New York delegation stands ready to work as hard as we can. Because despite what are clearly national and international ramifications, this really comes home here. We have tens of thousands of people who are dependent upon the financial services industry, we have thousands of people who run businesses across our state who can’t get the credit they need to stay in business, and we have thousands and thousands of employees. We’ll see the unemployment rate, I predict this week going up dramatically. I’ve talked to a lot of employers here in New York in the last week. They’re laying off people, they don’t see any end in sight unless we get a grip on this and that’s what we’re asking that everybody begin to do again in a bipartisan manner.

[Bob]

I believe she's the type of person who will not fail. If she's ignorant on a certain issue, I think she would surround herself with the best possible people she could to help provide the necessary information so she could become informed and make the best decision. I trust her to do that far more than I would having a Biden led administration.

You don't have to know how to build a house all by yourself if you have qualified architects and contractors who you can consult and then make decisions based on their advice.

i seem to recall people saying similar things about our last president

[RobMoney$]

i seem to recall people saying similar things about our last president


Well I didn't and I don't speak for them.
I voted for Kerry.

and Gore.

[RobMoney$]

there's really no convincing mccain supporters that he might die.

the facts are he is more likely to die than not die at his age and with his health background. I'm not really expecting him to die, but as some other have said, I would be completely terrified if Palin had even the slightest chance of leading our country.

and so far I haven't gotten any real answers from mccain or his supporters, they can only answer questions with more questions. and it's incredibly annoying.

Were you aware that Obama's mother died of Cancer at the ripe old age of 52?
but nobody's discussing his chances of dying in office.


McCain's mother is 90 and looks full of life.

[Bob]

Were you aware that Obama's mother died of Cancer at the ripe old age of 52?
but nobody's discussing his chances of dying in office.


McCain's mother is 90 and looks full of life.

good job not answering the question with another question

[Documad]

i seem to recall people saying similar things about our last president

It's freakin' scary how much she resembles Bush!!! She is deliberately uninformed and incurious about the world. Only in the USA are people like that celebrated. WTF is wrong with us????

[funk63]

In all fairness she is a little cuter than bush.

[Laver1969]

Were you aware that Obama's mother died of Cancer at the ripe old age of 52?
but nobody's discussing his chances of dying in office.


McCain's mother is 90 and looks full of life.

Wait...Barack's mom died of ovarian cancer. Can Barack get ovarian cancer?

Sure McCain's mom certainly does look healthy. But didn't McCain's dad and grandpa die of heart attacks? I'd be more concerned about his dad's genes.

Then we have the whole assisnation angle. Frankly, I'm surprised that some psychotic families of soldiers killed in Iraq haven't gone after Bush. I guess you can't live in fear of what might happen.

And friggin' Dempster gave up a grand slam and the Cubs lost. :(

[Dorothy Wood]

good job not answering the question with another question

thank you!

[RobMoney$]

there's really no convincing mccain supporters that he might die.

the facts are he is more likely to die than not die at his age and with his health background. I'm not really expecting him to die, but as some other have said, I would be completely terrified if Palin had even the slightest chance of leading our country.

and so far I haven't gotten any real answers from mccain or his supporters, they can only answer questions with more questions. and it's incredibly annoying.

Were you aware that Obama's mother died of Cancer at the ripe old age of 52?
but nobody's discussing his chances of dying in office.


McCain's mother is 90 and looks full of life.

good job not answering the question with another question


What question? I don't see where one was posed?

Dorothy wants answers from McCain supporters,...on what?
Whenever I ask the Obama supporters for facts I'm told to go do my own research.

[yeahwho]

What question? I don't see where one was posed?

Dorothy wants answers from McCain supporters,...on what?
Whenever I ask the Obama supporters for facts I'm told to go do my own research.

I think the question is not direct enough, I'll try and be more direct. In 3 parts.

Part 1. If the Maverick John McCain dies before November will you vote Sarah Palin in as the next POTUS?

Part 2. And when Palin is boosted up the chain to become the republican candidate for POTUS, who do you think would make the perfect VP for her?

Part 3. Your kidding us right? Please say you've given up on society or that we're being punk'd.

[RobMoney$]

So I'm supposed to answer questions about the likelyhood of McCain dying within 6 weeks? LOL. That's some "Sky is falling" type shit right there.

...and you're telling me I'm out of touch? The question isn't worth an answer.

[yeahwho]

So I'm supposed to answer questions about the likelyhood of McCain dying within 6 weeks? LOL. That's some "Sky is falling" type shit right there.

...and you're telling me I'm out of touch? The question isn't worth an answer.

I never said you were out of touch. Maybe the voices in your head said that. I asked you a direct question. You answered it the best possible way you could. Just like John McCain would.

[Bob]

So I'm supposed to answer questions about the likelyhood of McCain dying within 6 weeks? LOL. That's some "Sky is falling" type shit right there.

...and you're telling me I'm out of touch? The question isn't worth an answer.

alright, now you definitely just answered the question with more questions

[Dorothy Wood]

honestly, I'm completely flabbergasted right now.

rob, I defy you to answer any of these questions without using question and/or little catch phrases.

here's how you could've answered yeahwho if you were a free-thinking person who just happened to support the republicans:

Part 1. If the Maverick John McCain dies before November will you vote Sarah Palin in as the next POTUS? Yes, I believe she has enough executive experience and the background to lead us in the right direction*

Part 2. And when Palin is boosted up the chain to become the republican candidate for POTUS, who do you think would make the perfect VP for her?
Leiberman

Part 3. Your kidding us right? Please say you've given up on society or that we're being punk'd. Well, McCain and Palin weren't my first choice, but they have strong track records of reform and I believe that their opinions on issues that pertain to me fall in line more with my opinions. Moreso than Obama at least, as I am worried that he is all talk no action because he hasn't had much government experience.*





*answers do not reflect the opinions of dorothy wood

[ToucanSpam]

Whenever I ask the Obama supporters for facts I'm told to go do my own research.

This is actually true in some cases.

Still, stand up and respond to the questions man. They aren't complicated and at least then people would stop badgering you.

[Knuckles]

McCain's mother is 90 and looks full of life.

Jesus Christ! Are you serious?

When she came on the screen I thought I was watching a trailer for Weekend At Bernie's 3.

And is it just me or does McCain (http://guanabee.com/john_mccain_2.4.08.jpg)bare a striking resemblance to Fire Marshall Bil (http://www.joeblasco.com/blascoschools/schools-intro/main/pics/jb8-p1.jpg)l?

[RobMoney$]

I think the question is not direct enough, I'll try and be more direct. In 3 parts.

Part 1. If the Maverick John McCain dies before November will you vote Sarah Palin in as the next POTUS?
No. I don't believe she is prepared to hold that position just yet, just as I don't believe Obama is ready...YET.
I do think she has potential though and if she progresses the way I believe she is capable of, then I do believe she could be a strong candidate for President in 4 years. I hold the same opinion of Obama actually. I could see myself supporting him after he actually produced a Senatorial voting record I agreed with in 4 years from now.

But I also STRONGLY doubt McCain will die within the next 6 weeks anyway so I consider the question kind of pointless.

Part 2. And when Palin is boosted up the chain to become the republican candidate for POTUS, who do you think would make the perfect VP for her?
Well, I'm no expert on the GOP and who their big hitters are. I am a democrat at heart, but Kasich is a guy that I think would be a great compliment to Palin. The guy is an econmic and budget expert whose talents could come in handy right now. He has a good record of bipartisanship in working with Clinton, solid conservative street cred. He's well-spoken and battle tested. His being from Pa. and serving as a representative for Ohio would also make him a valuable asset in those battleground states.
Condi Rice and Colin Powell would be interesting names too, but the association to the Bush Administration probably make them both political poison, at least at this point in time anyway.



Part 3. Your kidding us right? Please say you've given up on society or that we're being punk'd.

You're. (It's a pet peeve of mine and I've seen you do it countless times.)


Anyway, no I'm not kidding. Palin is gangsta.
I recognize her game and applaud it.



Now are you all happy?

[yeahwho]

No. I don't believe she is prepared to hold that position just yet, just as I don't believe Obama is ready...YET.
I do think she has potential though and if she progresses the way I believe she is capable of, then I do believe she could be a strong candidate for President in 4 years. I hold the same opinion of Obama actually. I could see myself supporting him after he actually produced a Senatorial voting record I agreed with in 4 years from now.

But I also STRONGLY doubt McCain will die within the next 6 weeks anyway so I consider the question kind of pointless.


Well, I'm no expert on the GOP and who their big hitters are. I am a democrat at heart, but Kasich is a guy that I think would be a great compliment to Palin. The guy is an econmic and budget expert whose talents could come in handy right now. He has a good record of bipartisanship in working with Clinton, solid conservative street cred. He's well-spoken and battle tested. His being from Pa. and serving as a representative for Ohio would also make him a valuable asset in those battleground states.
Condi Rice and Colin Powell would be interesting names too, but the association to the Bush Administration probably make them both political poison, at least at this point in time anyway.





You're. (It's a pet peeve of mine and I've seen you do it countless times.)


Anyway, no I'm not kidding. Palin is gangsta.
I recognize her game and applaud it.



Now are you all happy?

Hey thanks, the "you're thing" I'll try and change, always trying to improve on the writing.

[Dorothy Wood]

Now are you all happy?

yes, I still don't agree with you, but I don't want to punch you in the face as hard either. thank you.

[Bob]

You're. (It's a pet peeve of mine and I've seen you do it countless times.)


you did not just correct someone's grammar

[RobMoney$]

you did not just correct someone's grammar

you really need to drop the "I'm so much smarter than you" act.
You may be more educated than me, but that doesn't mean you're smarter.

[DroppinScience]

you really need to drop the "I'm so much smarter than you" act.
You may be more educated than me, but that doesn't mean you're smarter.

I think he said that because you yourself are guilty of a lot of spelling and grammar mistakes (possibly even the "your" and "you're" flubs, too!).

[RobMoney$]

Until you can quote me doing it, go away.

[Bob]

you really need to drop the "I'm so much smarter than you" act.
You may be more educated than me, but that doesn't mean you're smarter.

i'm sorry if my posts make you feel like i think i'm smarter than you. i don't believe i've ever purposely done that, and if i have, that was wrong, and i'm sorry for it. i'll be more careful not to do it in the future.

that said, DS is right. all i meant by that was that your grammar and spelling is fucking terrible and i've been keeping my mouth shut because it honestly isn't a big deal, but you really shouldn't be correcting other people's grammar man

[yeahwho]

fuck now i feel like a complete moran

[ToucanSpam]

i'm sorry if my posts make you feel like i think i'm smarter than you. i don't believe i've ever purposely done that, and if i have, that was wrong, and i'm sorry for it. i'll be more careful not to do it in the future.

that said, DS is right. all i meant by that was that your grammar and spelling is fucking terrible and i've been keeping my mouth shut because it honestly isn't a big deal, but you really shouldn't be correcting other people's grammar man

Capitalize those letters and how about some periods on those sentences, young man.

[DroppinScience]

Until you can quote me doing it, go away.

You can start by reading your own thread title. Two d's in "ad"?

[ToucanSpam]

You can start by reading your own thread title. Two d's in "ad"?

I think those are two sentence fragments as well.

[Documad]

so who is watching the debate? is it available in Canada?

[ToucanSpam]

Fuck your government, I'm watching the Canadian debate. Five people is way cooler than two.

[Documad]

Fuck your government, I'm watching the Canadian debate. Five people is way cooler than two.

Eh, I watched a bunch of the US debates during the primaries where they had lots of people. You're probably correct. But I have a feeling Palin will do pretty well and I have to see for myself.

[Bob]

so who is watching the debate? is it available in Canada?

you can watch it online. all the major news sites (cbs, abc, msnbc, pbs) have a live stream. for some reason, foxnews.com is the only that works for me :(

[Documad]

you can watch it online. all the major news sites (cbs, abc, msnbc, pbs) have a live stream. for some reason, foxnews.com is the only that works for me :(

Careful! Don't let Fox get you!

[Bob]

Careful! Don't let Fox get you!

ah it's just a broadcast, how bad could they be?

whoa, i can't believe biden just told palin he was going to bend her over the podium after the debate, that's a major gaffe! and he did it without moving his lips, how did he do that?

[DroppinScience]

Most Canadians (that have cable and even those who do not have cable) can see the American debates on the major American channels: CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and such. In fact, the debates are broadcast WORLDWIDE.