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jackrock
09-29-2008, 07:17 PM
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/sep/HQ_08246_Phoenix.html

NASA Mars Lander Sees Falling Snow, Soil Data Suggest Liquid Past

WASHINGTON -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has detected snow falling from Martian clouds. Spacecraft soil tests experiments also have provided evidence of past interaction between minerals and liquid water, processes that occur on Earth.

A laser instrument designed to gather knowledge of how the atmosphere and surface interact on Mars, detected snow from clouds about 2.5 miles above the spacecraft's landing site. Data show the snow vaporizing before reaching the ground.

"Nothing like this view has ever been seen on Mars," said Jim Whiteway, of York University, Toronto, lead scientist for the Canadian-supplied Meteorological Station on Phoenix. "We'll be looking for signs that the snow may even reach the ground."
Phoenix experiments also yielded clues pointing to calcium carbonate, the main composition of chalk, and particles that could be clay. Most carbonates and clays on Earth form only in the presence of liquid water.

"We are still collecting data and have lots of analysis ahead, but we are making good progress on the big questions we set out for ourselves," said Phoenix Principal Investigator Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson.

Since landing on May 25, Phoenix already has confirmed that a hard subsurface layer at its far-northern site contains water-ice. Determining whether that ice ever thaws would help answer whether the environment there has been favorable for life, a key aim of the mission.

The evidence for calcium carbonate in soil samples from trenches dug by the Phoenix robotic arm comes from two laboratory instruments called the Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer, or TEGA, and the wet chemistry laboratory of the Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer, or MECA.

"We have found carbonate," said William Boynton of the University of Arizona, lead scientist for the TEGA. "This points toward episodes of interaction with water in the past."

The TEGA evidence for calcium carbonate came from a high-temperature release of carbon dioxide from soil samples. The temperature of the release matches a temperature known to decompose calcium carbonate and release carbon dioxide gas, which was identified by the instrument's mass spectrometer.

The MECA evidence came from a buffering effect characteristic of calcium carbonate assessed in wet chemistry analysis of the soil. The measured concentration of calcium was exactly what would be expected for a solution buffered by calcium carbonate.

Both TEGA, and the microscopy part of MECA have turned up hints of a clay-like substance. "We are seeing smooth-surfaced, platy particles with the atomic-force microscope, not inconsistent with the appearance of clay particles," said Michael Hecht, MECA lead scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

The Phoenix mission, originally planned for three months on Mars, now is in its fifth month. However, it faces a decline in solar energy that is expected to curtail and then end the lander's activities before the end of the year. Before power ceases, the Phoenix team will attempt to activate a microphone on the lander to possibly capture sounds on Mars.

"For nearly three months after landing, the sun never went below the horizon at our landing site." said Barry Goldstein, JPL Phoenix project manager. "Now it is gone for more than four hours each night, and the output from our solar panels is dropping each week. Before the end of October, there won't be enough energy to keep using the robotic arm."

The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona. Project management is the responsibility of JPL with development partnership by Lockheed Martin in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute.

QueenAdrock
09-29-2008, 07:24 PM
AWESOME! Time for Martian snow angels!

kaiser soze
09-29-2008, 08:16 PM
Cool!

Mars will be ready for humans in 2 million years!

*packs bags in anticipation*

jackrock
09-29-2008, 08:24 PM
Cool!

Mars will be ready for humans in 2 million years!

*packs bags in anticipation*

As far as I'm concerned we should be paraterraforming right now. Or at least well on the way.

adam_f
09-29-2008, 08:42 PM
I'm glad we're spending billions of dollars to find snow where we don't live.

jackrock
09-29-2008, 09:14 PM
Then you'll be really glad to hear that it's more in the realm of $300 - $500 million.

Nygel
09-29-2008, 09:36 PM
i think this is semi-exciting

kaiser soze
09-29-2008, 09:39 PM
next week it'll be a raging dust storm spanning the whole equator

Dharma
09-29-2008, 10:05 PM
Awesome ...time to plan a snowboarding trip to Mars!

Randetica
09-30-2008, 05:26 AM
I'm glad we're spending billions of dollars to find snow where we don't live.

amen.

Lex Diamonds
09-30-2008, 09:36 AM
What would really be interesting is if we came from Mars and found all these trees and people and cars and shit on Earth. Snow is pretty boring, tbh.

MC Moot
09-30-2008, 09:40 AM
Martian snow globes,this years hot ticket X-mas item...highly collectible(y)

EVERYONE MUST READ RAY BRADBURY"S "THE MARTIAN CHRONICLES" IMMEDIATELY

adam_f
09-30-2008, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by jackrock
Then you'll be really glad to hear that it's more in the realm of $300 - $500 million.

Oh, well in that case, let's see if we can find fog on fucking Jupiter, for Christ's sake.

jabumbo
09-30-2008, 10:52 AM
I'm glad we're spending billions of dollars to find snow where we don't live.

well, we arent going to find any snow in the middle east any time soon....

jackrock
09-30-2008, 01:09 PM
Oh, well in that case, let's see if we can find fog on fucking Jupiter, for Christ's sake.
Lets fucking do it. It's called space exploration, without it humanity won't survive. If you can't understand the obvious implications that snow and a history of water on another planet have, then that's just sad. This is the type of attitude that dooms science.

MC Moot
09-30-2008, 01:12 PM
well, we arent going to find any snow in the middle east any time soon....


WORD...

(y):cool:(y)

MC Moot
09-30-2008, 01:15 PM
Lets fucking do it. It's called space exploration, without it humanity won't survive. If you can't understand the obvious implications that snow and a history of water on another planet have, then that's just sad. This is the type of attitude that dooms science.

This,as well,is absolute truth...(y)

adam_f
09-30-2008, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by jackrock
Lets fucking do it. It's called space exploration, without it humanity won't survive. If you can't understand the obvious implications that snow and a history of water on another planet have, then that's just sad. This is the type of attitude that dooms science.

No, tell me the implications. Because, I, for one, as aresident of planet FUCKING EARTH, realize that fixing some of the problems we have going on here is important too. Yeah, they found snow on Mars, great, score one for science.

The economy is failing, we won't have social security, WHERE'S MY HEALTH INSURANCE?!!!?, our kids can't read, teens are getting pregnant, teens are getting abortions, there's violence here, there and everywhere, we're in the middle of a war that's costing inordinate amounts of money...BUT WAIT!

LET'S SPEND 500 FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS TO SEE SNOW ON MARS. YEAH, LET'S PRIORITIZE. PUT THAT FIRST AND TELL ME HOW IT'S GOING WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A HOME TO COME HOME TO.

Maybe that have an Oak Street on Mars. Call Century 21 and see if they have a town house that suits your needs.

I'm not saying we don't spend money like we're never going to lose it, but c'mon, man. I'm not okay with spending 500 millions dollars on something that doesn't reasonably benefit anybody here or anywhere else. The history of water on Mars doesn't help me out. What does help me out is the health insurance that paid for my separated shoulder I got Sunday. This is pork barrel spending disguised as a scientific achievement.

jabumbo
09-30-2008, 02:29 PM
NASA is going to come abduct your ass and ship you to cleveland if you don't watch yourself

jackrock
09-30-2008, 03:59 PM
realize that fixing some of the problems we have going on here is important too.
I realize, and I'm not saying space exploration is the most important thing to deal with, I'm saying it's more important than you give it credit

we won't have social security

$608 billion (+4.5%) - Social Security (#1 on the 2008 federal budget)

WHERE'S MY HEALTH INSURANCE?!!!?
$386 billion (+5.2%) - Medicare
$69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services

our kids can't read, teens are getting pregnant, teens are getting abortions
$56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education
$209 billion (+5.6%) - Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)


LET'S SPEND 500 FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS TO SEE SNOW ON MARS. YEAH, LET'S PRIORITIZE. PUT THAT FIRST

Try fifth last on discretionary spending.
$17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration

we're in the middle of a war that's costing inordinate amounts of money
Exactly!
$481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense
$145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror

Don't get me wrong, I agree with all that you said. Health care is pathetic despite the money getting thrown at it, kids can't read despite the money going towards education. But the $17.3 billion is a small chunk of money compared to the more important things that you listed off. Space Administration is far from the top of the to-do list. If you're going to put more money into fixing the healthcare and education and whatever system, why should the space program suffer, while war funding is through the roof?

Matt
09-30-2008, 04:25 PM
The thread title reminds me of something they would say on Mr. Show. Like on a news parody

"And today, it's snowing...on mars! But first, our top story..."

I can hear Bob Odenkirk saying that in my head.

Nygel
09-30-2008, 07:05 PM
No, tell me the implications. Because, I, for one, as aresident of planet FUCKING EARTH, realize that fixing some of the problems we have going on here is important too. Yeah, they found snow on Mars, great, score one for science.

The economy is failing, we won't have social security, WHERE'S MY HEALTH INSURANCE?!!!?, our kids can't read, teens are getting pregnant, teens are getting abortions, there's violence here, there and everywhere, we're in the middle of a war that's costing inordinate amounts of money...BUT WAIT!

LET'S SPEND 500 FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS TO SEE SNOW ON MARS. YEAH, LET'S PRIORITIZE. PUT THAT FIRST AND TELL ME HOW IT'S GOING WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A HOME TO COME HOME TO.

Maybe that have an Oak Street on Mars. Call Century 21 and see if they have a town house that suits your needs.

I'm not saying we don't spend money like we're never going to lose it, but c'mon, man. I'm not okay with spending 500 millions dollars on something that doesn't reasonably benefit anybody here or anywhere else. The history of water on Mars doesn't help me out. What does help me out is the health insurance that paid for my separated shoulder I got Sunday. This is pork barrel spending disguised as a scientific achievement.

man dreams of the stars. we shall forever and ever. thats as far as i care. fuck that other shit.