SNL VP debate

[DroppinScience]

Enjoy :)

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/

[RobMoney$]

at least they made fun of both sides.

[QueenAdrock]

I loved Biden's "I love John McCain with all my heart, but he is a dangerous maniac who shouldn't be elected. God bless him, he's insane." (y)

And it's true about Palin just needing to not come off as a bumbling idiot in order for pundits to consider it a 'tie.' I mean, she exceeded 84% of people's expectations (including mine), which says to me that most people have set the standard bar pretty low for her.

[RobMoney$]

...or it means that you bought the ridiculous spin that Palin is dumb in the first place. Don't believe the hype because she is a force.
The liberal media are using that stroke of the brush to paint the Palin portrait for the American masses who are unfamiliar with her.
When you actually saw her and heard what she had to say for yourself without the media's influence, you saw that although she may be a bit green, she's actually pretty quick on her feet. You can't deny that she has an ability to connect with people as if she were reaching right thraough the TV screen. Thus the "exceeded expectations" opinions.

The liberal media are the one's who are responsible for the lowered expectations in the first place.

[yeahwho]

...or it means that you bought the ridiculous spin that Palin is dumb in the first place. Don't believe the hype because she is a force.
The liberal media are using that stroke of the brush to paint the Palin portrait for the American masses who are unfamiliar with her.
When you actually saw her and heard what she had to say for yourself without the media's influence, you saw that although she may be a bit green, she's actually pretty quick on her feet. You can't deny that she has an ability to connect with people as if she were reaching right thraough the TV screen. Thus the "exceeded expectations" opinions.

The liberal media are the one's who are responsible for the lowered expectations in the first place.

I would have to say Sarah Palin is 100% responsible for everything she says when she is in a debate or interviewed. She's the one with the answers.

She is pretty fantastic when she is within the republican realm such as stump speeches and conventions.

She actually told Katie Couric she read all o f the newspapers, she couldn't name one, but she reads them all.

How do I see her without the medias influence?

[QueenAdrock]

The media is not liberal, that is one of the most fabricated lies of the century. They're sensationalist, and will go for anything that goes for a story. Do you really think that the media who went after Obama for the whole Reverand Wright crap and other crap like that are "liberal"? If they were truly liberal, don't you think they'd omit those kinds of stories to favor Obama? What about when the media got ahold of the whole Lewinsky crap and ran with that? They keep those stories in because they get RATINGS, it doesn't matter what political party. I see stories in the media bashing on Obama or fact checking him and saying what he's said is false, or what Joe Biden has said is untrue, blah blah. I don't believe for a second that they're liberal...especially when the main owners of those stations are Republicans.

But anyways, my opinion of Palin comes from how I've seen her answer questions. Not knowing your own party's position on Pakistan, making up lies about how Russia goes into Alaska airspace, fumbling all over yourself and answering something about job creation and health care initiatives when asked about the $700 bailout, saying "I'll get back to ya on that!" to questions she doesn't know, all of that leads to me believing she'd pull the same stupid bullshit during a debate. Seeing as how she didn't majorly gaffe any of that means she did exceed my expectations. How I've seen her answer questions in the past few weeks has definitely affected the way I thought she'd respond to these questions. It has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with the way she handles herself and responds to questions. She's handled questions poorly in the past, it was expected she'd fuck this up too. So while she didn't stumble or faulter, she didn't answer many of the questions directly, she simply memorized talking points and steered the questions towards that.

And that whole Joe Six Pack crap really reminds me of Bush. I don't want someone who I can relate to, I want a Harvard graduate who is much smarter, knows more about world affairs, and can handle himself with dignity and ability when talking to leaders throughout the world. I want a Washington insider, someone who knows the game and how to play it, someone who's "been at it" for more than a couple weeks.

[Bob]

...or it means that you bought the ridiculous spin that Palin is dumb in the first place. Don't believe the hype because she is a force.
The liberal media are using that stroke of the brush to paint the Palin portrait for the American masses who are unfamiliar with her.
When you actually saw her and heard what she had to say for yourself without the media's influence, you saw that although she may be a bit green, she's actually pretty quick on her feet. You can't deny that she has an ability to connect with people as if she were reaching right thraough the TV screen. Thus the "exceeded expectations" opinions.

The liberal media are the one's who are responsible for the lowered expectations in the first place.

do you really consider yourself to be nonbiased?

[roosta]

The media is not liberal, that is one of the most fabricated lies of the century.

Yup.

Plus I love how some people in America use liberal like a dirty word.

[RobMoney$]

The media is not liberal, that is one of the most fabricated lies of the century. They're sensationalist, and will go for anything that goes for a story. Do you really think that the media who went after Obama for the whole Reverand Wright crap and other crap like that are "liberal"? If they were truly liberal, don't you think they'd omit those kinds of stories to favor Obama? What about when the media got ahold of the whole Lewinsky crap and ran with that? They keep those stories in because they get RATINGS, it doesn't matter what political party. I see stories in the media bashing on Obama or fact checking him and saying what he's said is false, or what Joe Biden has said is untrue, blah blah. I don't believe for a second that they're liberal...especially when the main owners of those stations are Republicans.

But anyways, my opinion of Palin comes from how I've seen her answer questions. Not knowing your own party's position on Pakistan, making up lies about how Russia goes into Alaska airspace, fumbling all over yourself and answering something about job creation and health care initiatives when asked about the $700 bailout, saying "I'll get back to ya on that!" to questions she doesn't know, all of that leads to me believing she'd pull the same stupid bullshit during a debate. Seeing as how she didn't majorly gaffe any of that means she did exceed my expectations. How I've seen her answer questions in the past few weeks has definitely affected the way I thought she'd respond to these questions. It has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with the way she handles herself and responds to questions. She's handled questions poorly in the past, it was expected she'd fuck this up too. So while she didn't stumble or faulter, she didn't answer many of the questions directly, she simply memorized talking points and steered the questions towards that.




Some media outlets such as MSNBC & CNN are liberal leaning, some such as FOX are conservative leaning. They will jump on stories that serve their base and minimize those that don't.
But I agree with you that they're all sensationlists to a certain degree.

I mean do you really believe those interviews like the Katie Couric interview with Palin to be real? They're edited and cut to spin the interview the way the want it presented. They ask the interviewee the same question over and over until they get footage of them stumbling over themselves and then that's the footage they use.
It's opinions like this that make me suspect you of being naive about the whole election process. You seem to buy into the propoganda so easily.


And that whole Joe Six Pack crap really reminds me of Bush. I don't want someone who I can relate to, I want a Harvard graduate who is much smarter, knows more about world affairs, and can handle himself with dignity and ability when talking to leaders throughout the world. I want a Washington insider, someone who knows the game and how to play it, someone who's "been at it" for more than a couple weeks.

Obama's a Washington insider who is experienced in foreign affairs?
Pffttaahahaaa, excuse me but I'm a bit dizzy after that spin.

He's been a US Senator for exactly 143 days, He voted "Present" over 90 times.
Before that he was organizing basketball games at the Y in Southside Chicago to try to help solve gang violence.
Not to mention that Palin, although inexperienced, is only running for VP, not POTUS.

It drives me nuts when Obama supporters cite Palin's lack of experience. It's the height in hipocracy

[DroppinScience]

Some media outlets such as MSNBC & CNN are liberal leaning, some such as FOX are conservative leaning. They will jump on stories that serve their base and minimize those that don't.
But I agree with you that they're all sensationlists to a certain degree.

It's called CORPORATE MEDIA and love nothing more than reporting on a car being on fire more than anything. "Liberal media" is the stuff of mythology.

I mean do you really believe those interviews like the Katie Couric interview with Palin to be real? They're edited and cut to spin the interview the way the want it presented. They ask the interviewee the same question over and over until they get footage of them stumbling over themselves and then that's the footage they use.
It's opinions like this that make me suspect you of being naive about the whole election process. You seem to buy into the propoganda so easily.

So Katie Couric will spend hours upon hours asking Palin the same question and then come up with the clip that makes her look the most embarrassing? This is a big mouthful to swallow. I'm sorry, but filming an interview is not like filming a 2 hour movie. You only have one take, you don't go through it over and over again. Katie Couric doesn't go: "Wait a sec, can I ask that question a bunch more times until you say something that makes you look stupid?" This would never happen even if the "liberal media" was dead set on smearing her. This is true for one simple reason: somebody like Palin is busy and doesn't have the time to sit around and say the same thing to the same reporter for hours on end. Just think about what you said logically. It doesn't pan out.

[DroppinScience]

It's the height in hipocracy

*ahem* hypocrisy

[RobMoney$]

Sure it does.

Imagine Palin getting up and walking out on a Couric interview and how that would be spun.

Think about what you're saying for a minute.

[QueenAdrock]

Seeing as how Couric has done plenty of interviews with OTHER Republicans who haven't come off as stumbling and incoherent, then yes, I do think Palin's a special case.

Not only that, you honestly believe Couric asked her about the $700 billion bailout time and again in order to FORCE that response out of her? Why wouldn't Palin come out and accuse her of that? Why wouldn't she just reply, "I believe I already answered this question"? I've heard her accuse Couric from not asking the "right" questions, like things having to do with morality, but never once did I hear ANYONE on the Republican side of accusing the media to splice it together. You think that if that was an actual substantial argument as to why she came off like an idiot, they would have jumped on that RIGHT AWAY to do damage control for her image.

Either the RNC completely dropped the ball on that one, or Palin really did come off as an idiot to begin with.

[RobMoney$]

*ahem* hypocrisy


*ahem* dork

[QueenAdrock]

It drives me nuts when Obama supporters cite Palin's lack of experience. It's the height in hipocracy

Palin might as well be running for President, because I don't see McCain being able to survive the most stressful job in the world at his age. Call me a jerk, but I honestly don't think he can do it.


Plus, I wasn't talking about experience. I said this:

I want a Harvard graduate who is much smarter, knows more about world affairs, and can handle himself with dignity and ability when talking to leaders throughout the world.

He does know about world affairs, he has proven that through what I've heard him say. He is smart. He has dignity and ability. Palin doesn't have any of that. She's just a "good ol' hockey mom" who's a "Washington Outsider." Great, I'm sure I know 50 people just like that, and they're not qualified to be VP or President either.

You don't think Obama's a Washington insider, though? That's news to me.

[DroppinScience]

Sure it does.

Imagine Palin getting up and walking out on a Couric interview and how that would be spun.

Think about what you're saying for a minute.

If you've seen raw, unedited footage of the Palin-Couric interview where Couric is asking to do the same thing over and over because Palin's not acting the way she wants her to, I'd appreciate you sharing this with all of us.

In the stuff that's aired, Couric only asks the same question again because PALIN NEVER ANSWERED IT THE FIRST TIME. If you think Palin is victimized because she can't remember what newspapers she reads, you've been reading too many nutty e-mails.

[DroppinScience]

*ahem* dork

A dork who owns a dictionary.

[RobMoney$]

Seeing as how Couric has done plenty of interviews with OTHER Republicans who haven't come off as stumbling and incoherent, then yes, I do think Palin's a special case.

Not only that, you honestly believe Couric asked her about the $700 billion bailout time and again in order to FORCE that response out of her? Why wouldn't Palin come out and accuse her of that? Why wouldn't she just reply, "I believe I already answered this question"? I've heard her accuse Couric from not asking the "right" questions, like things having to do with morality, but never once did I hear ANYONE on the Republican side of accusing the media to splice it together. You think that if that was an actual substantial argument as to why she came off like an idiot, they would have jumped on that RIGHT AWAY to do damage control for her image.

Either the RNC completely dropped the ball on that one, or Palin really did come off as an idiot to begin with.


Remember the Charlie Gibson interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNPGnZurs1k)?
He asked her the same question half a dozen times in a row and she kept answering it over and over. They actually showed the question being answered over and over.

Are you guys really this naive? Do you really believe everything you see on TV?
Do you believe Rocky really beat Clubber Lang too?

[DroppinScience]

Remember the Charlie Gibson interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNPGnZurs1k)?
He asked her the same question half a dozen times in a row and she kept answering it over and over. They actually showed the question being answered over and over.

Are you guys really this naive?

If "answering" it means saying the same talking points that McCain feeds her, then I guess you're the only satisfied person.

[Bob]

It's opinions like this that make me suspect you of being naive about the whole election process. You seem to buy into the propoganda so easily.



you have to be kidding.

here's you on mccain:



I'm supporting McCain because I believe he's the best candidate, not because he's republican. I'm not a blind partisan supporter of a party. I like that he's not a true Republican, that's why they call him the Maverick


here's you on palin:


I mean how great will it be to actually have a real person representing our interests in Washington?

and you're going to sit there and criticize people for buying into propaganda? you've even unironically posted things that you've received from anonymous e-mail forwards. come on

[QueenAdrock]

So you think her idiotic response to Couric's $700 billion bailout question was the same thing, but unlike the Gibson interview, the incessant questioning was edited out? How come Gibson didn't edit out his questions over and over? Why didn't he just appear to ask the question once, like you seem to think Couric did? From what I remember of it, she wasn't answering them correctly and dodging questions, so he had to keep asking her to clarify.

Regardless, you haven't answered my question of why the RNC hasn't said that Palin's stupid response to the $700 billion bailout was because she had been asked the question time and again.

Why isn't the RNC doing damage control? It's not about being naive, it's about logic, and it doesn't make sense why you're the only person saying that it's edited or whatever else and NO ONE else has.

[Bob]

If you've seen raw, unedited footage of the Palin-Couric interview where Couric is asking to do the same thing over and over because Palin's not acting the way she wants her to, I'd appreciate you sharing this with all of us.


well how could anyone get that footage? they edited it out! therefore, that proves that it exists

[QueenAdrock]

Touche, Bob

[DroppinScience]

well how could anyone get that footage? they edited it out! therefore, that proves that it exists

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!

[RobMoney$]

and you're going to sit there and criticize people for buying into propaganda? you've even unironically posted things that you've received from anonymous e-mail forwards. come on

WTF does me posting e-mail fowards have to do with anything?
I posted stuff and openly admitted it was an e-mail, but that it was something I thought was relevant and was interested in starting a dialogue here about it.
What's wrong with that?

[RobMoney$]

So you think her idiotic response to Couric's $700 billion bailout question was the same thing, but unlike the Gibson interview, the incessant questioning was edited out? How come Gibson didn't edit out his questions over and over? Why didn't he just appear to ask the question once, like you seem to think Couric did? From what I remember of it, she wasn't answering them correctly and dodging questions, so he had to keep asking her to clarify.

Regardless, you haven't answered my question of why the RNC hasn't said that Palin's stupid response to the $700 billion bailout was because she had been asked the question time and again.

Why isn't the RNC doing damage control? It's not about being naive, it's about logic, and it doesn't make sense why you're the only person saying that it's edited or whatever else and NO ONE else has.


When you start out by calling my candidates response "idiotic", I refuse to give you the courtesy of a response.

Keep on believing the liberal hype.

[yeahwho]

Up there in Alaska they must toss and turn a lot while trying to sleep, not because of the midnight sun, but fear of the Castro brothers.

That shit is funny, c'mon admit it. It's funny as all fucking get out. She reached right through the television screen and made me LOL.

Honestly, she is not that smart. I'm happy she has made it this far on her tundra smarts, but really she has never on been the national radar and was suddenly plunged into the Great Big World.

Here in the Great Big World there are wars, economical disasters and actual studies from brilliant minds on atmospheric science. Plus about 1000 major newspapers, of which easily any ten I could name off the top of my head. She is an outsider by choice. That is a poor choice.

[QueenAdrock]

When you start out by calling my candidates response "idiotic", I refuse to give you the courtesy of a response.

Keep on believing the liberal hype.

Really, Rob? I mean, that's the biggest cop-out for not having an answer ever. It's okay though, I completely understand your inability of being able to answer my question, because, well, I'm right. There's no way you can answer why the RNC or anyone else besides you hasn't made the same claims if they actually are true.

And you honestly can, with a straight face, say that THIS is not idiotic? I'd like to hear your explanation on why it is a well-thought out, intelligent response:

"That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the--it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

In case you can't follow her logic, here's a flow-chart:
https://blogs.portfolio.com/images/feeds/blogs/palineconom.gif


Your level of bias astounds me. Even hardcore Republican McCain supporters that I know cringed when she said that. I guess you're more devoted than they are to the RNC and their agenda, though....

[yeahwho]

In case you can't follow her logic, here's a flow-chart:
https://blogs.portfolio.com/images/feeds/blogs/palineconom.gif



That is a pretty simplistic flowchart, too straight forward and obvious, I think it's more along these lines (http://s.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2008/10/3/10/a4580a3c6862a2c3e9407acff8f72b38.jpg).

[Documad]

That is a pretty simplistic flowchart, too straight forward and obvious, I think it's more along these lines (http://s.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2008/10/3/10/a4580a3c6862a2c3e9407acff8f72b38.jpg).

That's funny because it's true.

[yeahwho]

That's funny because it's true.

especially the part that goes;

Do you know anything about this topic?------------>Yes!-------------->Wait, Really?---------------->No-------------->Oh Shit! Oh Shit!

[Dorothy Wood]

you know, I talked to a real live hockey mom from detroit at dinner last night. she and her husband are friends of my aunt and uncle who were visiting. the subject turned to politics and she started talking about how she thought the candidates were all pretty silly. she said something like "you know, I never went to college, but I was pretty good at english in high school. I used to help friends with their papers and was really good at grammar. I was watching the debate and realized that sarah palin doesn't speak correctly, she just strings together words that don't make any sense. I couldn't understand a word she said." she and her husband also said they were offended by the "joe six pack" thing.

anyway, this lady and her husband are the kind of people that sarah palin is reaching out to. they're middle class, they work hard, the husband is in danger of losing his job at chrysler...yet, they realize that the republicans aren't really saying anything at all. and it gave me a lot of hope for other people that I thought might fall for the cutesy downhome act that Palin is putting on.


the palins make a lot of money, they aren't joe six pack. I think that palin is a generally smart and savvy person, but she's manipulative and her "dumb" answers prove that. if she was speaking from her heart and not from the microchip they implanted in her brain, she'd probably appear much smarter.

[yeahwho]

The SNL debate skit was hilarious, they pulled through in the election year, This is Tina Fey's third return just to play the Palin part , which she deserves a lot of credit for (she is a maverick). Both Tina and Jason Sudeikis who portrayed Biden were funny as hell.

“I believe marriage is meant to be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers"

"My goal was to not be seen like a “condescending, egomaniacal bully. And I’m gonna’ be honest. I think I nailed it.”

The writing was on target and the delivery was funny as hell.

[D_Raay]

Rob, you'll find quite a few conservatives that will tell you that you have lost this debate as to Palin's mental capacity, hell right before the debate there were some saying she should be dropped from the ticket.

I have watched so many interviews over the years with literally thousands of senators, congressmen, pundits, candidates, even W himself, and she is hands down the most pathetic of all.

And the whole small town thing is really starting to annoy me. Why is this somehow a leadership quality? I see plenty of small town people here in Virginia and I certainly wouldn't want them in office of any kind, especially not one of the highest offices in the world.

[AceFace]

He's been a US Senator for exactly 143 days, He voted "Present" over 90 times.
Before that he was organizing basketball games at the Y in Southside Chicago to try to help solve gang violence.
Not to mention that Palin, although inexperienced, is only running for VP, not POTUS.



actually, before he was a US senator, he served 8 years in the Illinois state senate.