Biden: "Obama will face an International Crisis in first six months, If elected."

[RobMoney$]

ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Not only will the next administration have to deal with foreign affairs issues, Biden warned, but also with the current economic crisis.

"Gird your loins," Biden told the crowd. "We're gonna win with your help, God willing, we're gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It's like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy."

The Delaware lawmaker managed to rake in an estimated $1 million total from his two money hauls at the downtown Sheraton, the same hotel where four years ago Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., clinched the Democratic nomination. Despite warning about the difficulties the next administration will face, Biden said the Democratic ticket is equipped to meet the challenges head on.

"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons."

"You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real."

"We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it."

After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom.

"I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked.

"All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place," he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. "We have the ability to straighten it out. It's gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us."


Thanks for the warning Joe!
Wait, I thought everyone will start loving and respecting us again if we elect Obama?

Seems like maybe he should be detailing what some of these unpopular policies could be. If he's certain that some of the ways that Obama would deal with certain crises would be unpopular, then perhaps the American people deserve to know exactly what policies he's talking about.

Could he be talking about pulling out of Iraq too soon being a huge mistake and the unpopular decision just might be that we should stay there in a limited capacity? Considering his stance on Iraq and wanting to pull out ASAP was what gained him a lot of his support in the first place?

Could he be talking about potentially not supporting Israel, because that would be considered pretty unpopular.

Could it be Obama will decide to institute Sharia law and make Islam the national religion?

Could it be he was talking about the plans to finance the US debt by selling white women into sexual slavery in China?
I'd like to know more.

Tell me what other unpopular things I am going to be asked to give Obama a pass on Mr. Biden? We're already doing damage control for Obama's Presidency and he hasn't even been elected yet. That's got to be some sort of record.


...or do you think he was just trying to spread a generalized and unspecified fear and he didn't even have the guts to commit to a specific fear in his vote-grab?
I guess it couldn't be that, Palin's the only one who does stuff like that, isn't she?

[travesty]

...or do you think he was just trying to spread a generalized and unspecified fear and he didn't even have the guts to commit to a specific fear in his vote-grab?
I guess it couldn't be that, Palin's the only one who does stuff like that, isn't she?

I think he is trying to cover his ass 'cause he knows EXACTLY what kind of ride he signed on for with Mr. Obama. It was just his best, and probably only, chance of ever getting into the White House so of course he jumped at the chance, but frankly I think he knows the next adminitration is fucked from the start and this makes me think he is questioning Obama even more than he did during the primaries. No surprise, I would be too, but its too late to jump ship now. Good luck Joe, might want to start working on that fake heart arythmia or something.

[Dorothy Wood]

Could it be Obama will decide to institute Sharia law and make Islam the national religion?

Could it be he was talking about the plans to finance the US debt by selling white women into sexual slavery in China?
I'd like to know more.




now why would you put that in there if you're trying to convince everyone you're not a racist??



also, travesty, fuck you for misquoting me. I didn't put a (y) after that, I put a (y) after my sarcastic comment about distributing misinformation. take it down you dipshit.

[DroppinScience]

now why would you put that in there if you're trying to convince everyone you're not a racist??


If the shoe fits, I guess he's wearing it.

Anyways, Biden is referring to the fact that young presidents often get an early test. Think of Kennedy with the Bay of Pigs incident within the first four months of his administration.

But hey, if you've got an overactive imagination... run with it.

[yeahwho]

I cannot imagine anything as nightmarish and ill wrought as the previous eight years. Without mentioning the utter and total economic failure upon us today, lets review the current administrations reign of error (http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/09/exit-strategy-reign-of-error.html).

As a nation we've been tested pretty fucking hard.

[Adam]

I hate whites

[100% ILL]

but frankly I think he knows the next adminitration is fucked from the start and this makes me think he is questioning Obama even more than he did during the primaries. No surprise, I would be too, but its too late to jump ship now. Good luck Joe, might want to start working on that fake heart arythmia or something.


The fact we're already "in" a crisis would be a good indication, of course the economic crisis is a global one. I think this was more a message to his big corporate backers than to "we the people."

[ms.peachy]

The fact we're already "in" a crisis would be a good indication, of course the economic crisis is a global one. I think this was more a message to his big corporate backers than to "we the people."

That's how I read it too. Pretty much every economist and financial analyst is saying "Look, it's going to get worse before it gets better", and the economic crisis will magnify any other issue that presents itself on the world stage. I think every word leader with their head screwed on is facing the fact that 2009 is likely to be a rough ride in any number of ways, and tough decisions will have to be made. For me, the really telling part of Biden's statement was this part:
"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

[RobMoney$]

now why would you put that in there if you're trying to convince everyone you're not a racist??


I'm done trying to convince anyone whether I'm racist or not. I was done with that years ago actually. Believe what you will, I don't really care. I'm also not about to tip-toe around being afraid to make an obvious joke because someone may think I'm racist.

I posted it because I was trying to have a sense of humor about all the "Obama is a Muslim" crap. If you took it as a serious statement then maybe you need to lighten up. I also made a sexist comment too in that quote, am I sexist too now?



Do you intend to hijack every thread with "OMG ROBMONEY IS A RACIST" stuff, or can we move on?

[ms.peachy]

I posted it because I was trying to have a sense of humor about all the "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

For what it's worth, I did sense that you were trying to be funny. I think it was unsuccessful though because your overall message was inconsistent, and as is always the danger in printed word on teh internetz, subtleties can be lost with no discernible change in tone like you would have in someone's speaking voice. So I give you credit for trying Rob but I think you might have to accept that your attempt has gone a bit of the way of a lead balloon.

[RobMoney$]

The fact we're already "in" a crisis would be a good indication, of course the economic crisis is a global one. I think this was more a message to his big corporate backers than to "we the people."


Why was he raising the issue about his foreign policy experience if he was alluding to an economic crisis?
The rest of the world is affected by the US economy more than the US afffected by the rest of the world.

I dunno. I'd like him to expand on this.

[100% ILL]

Why was he raising the issue about his foreign policy experience if he was alluding to an economic crisis?
The rest of the world is affected by the US economy more than the US afffected by the rest of the world.

I dunno. I'd like him to expand on this.


I was simplifying what he said. The fact that this economic crisis will probably be kicking in to high gear by the time the new President takes office is indicative of the "International Crisis" Obama would most likely face if he is elected.

The rest I assume was mere speculation on Senator Biden's part. unless of course one were to come to the conclusion they've already planned something, which would not be an erudite asessment.

You could break it down into many possible scenarios: The two wars, The fact that many of our larger buisnesses have manufacturing facilites overseas, Trade, Iran etc.. etc..


I'm done trying to convince anyone whether I'm racist or not. I was done with that years ago actually. Believe what you will, I don't really care. I'm also not about to tip-toe around being afraid to make an obvious joke because someone may think I'm racist.

Also, don't continue to validate arguments that are at best counter-productive and at worst sophomoric? It makes you appear "like them"

[kaiser soze]

The past eight years have been a crisis

mccain wouldn't know a crisis from a hole in his ass

[travesty]

also, travesty, fuck you for misquoting me. I didn't put a (y) after that, I put a (y) after my sarcastic comment about distributing misinformation. take it down you dipshit.

My bad D. It has been corrected.

[Dorothy Wood]

I'm done trying to convince anyone whether I'm racist or not. I was done with that years ago actually. Believe what you will, I don't really care. I'm also not about to tip-toe around being afraid to make an obvious joke because someone may think I'm racist.

I posted it because I was trying to have a sense of humor about all the "Obama is a Muslim" crap. If you took it as a serious statement then maybe you need to lighten up. I also made a sexist comment too in that quote, am I sexist too now?



Do you intend to hijack every thread with "OMG ROBMONEY IS A RACIST" stuff, or can we move on?


well, considering I was one of the only ones in the other thread who said I didn't think you were racist, it struck me as a little odd. I was mostly offended by the "white women" thing...the fact that you added "white". I don't know, just didn't sit well with me. I might have overreacted because I was also pissed at travesty misquoting me.

all in all, I'm on the ms. peachy and 100%ILL train of thought regarding the topic of the thread.


(incidentally, I still think travesty's a little twerp. :mad:)

[ToucanSpam]

For what it's worth, I did sense that you were trying to be funny. I think it was unsuccessful though because your overall message was inconsistent, and as is always the danger in printed word on teh internetz, subtleties can be lost with no discernible change in tone like you would have in someone's speaking voice. So I give you credit for trying Rob but I think you might have to accept that your attempt has gone a bit of the way of a lead balloon.

Yeah, I agree.

I don't understand why Biden would not elaborate on the potential crisis. It seems like a stupid thing to hint at then not get into specifics.

[travesty]

(incidentally, I still think travesty's a little twerp. :mad:)


Just because I pointed out a fallacy in one of your statements? Lighten up buttercup.

[kaiser soze]

I believe everyone in Washington knows there is a crisis, a universal crisis throughout many nations...cultural, economic, healthcare, warfare, environment.

It is all there, we have blown our lids the past decade or so and know to survive we must scale back. Too bad many in power do not share the same sentiment so will continue to contribute to this web of crisis. I think it is much more complicated to put any specifics on it.

If mccain wins (gulp) he too will be faced with this, but I fear he will lash out rather than try to ease it the pain...adding more to this massive mess, like his master bush.

[Dorothy Wood]

Just because I pointed out a fallacy in one of your statements? Lighten up buttercup.


watch your tone, sweetheart. the bombs set prior weren't meant to kill anyone. perhaps I didn't realize that the bombs that killed some members were meant to kill americans. but is there really proof? or is that hearsay? was ayers part of that planning? I'm sure wikipedia has plenty of information about that, but none of us will really know what went down because we weren't there. honestly, I'm sick of all the speculating because the things that happened back then have nothing to do with obama or his policies. I'm tired of even discussing it because the propaganda machine has already done its work turning speculation into a special juice that seeps into weak minds and turns into fact, and any rational discussion of what went on inevitably turns into a shouting match.


anyway, with that signature you're basically trying to make a fool of me in every post you make, and you continually use terms of condenscension to address me and frankly, I don't appreciate it.

luckily I don't have to put you in my signature, you do a fine enough job making a fool of yourself. can you see that forest yet?

[travesty]

watch your tone, sweetheart. the bombs set prior weren't meant to kill anyone. perhaps I didn't realize that the bombs that killed some members were meant to kill americans. but is there really proof? or is that hearsay? was ayers part of that planning? I'm sure wikipedia has plenty of information about that, but none of us will really know what went down because we weren't there. honestly, I'm sick of all the speculating because the things that happened back then have nothing to do with obama or his policies. I'm tired of even discussing it because the propaganda machine has already done its work turning speculation into a special juice that seeps into weak minds and turns into fact, and any rational discussion of what went on inevitably turns into a shouting match.

I totally agree, and formulated that stance later on in the thread about how trivial the whole connection is. It is just a distraction.

anyway, with that signature you're basically trying to make a fool of me in every post you make, and you continually use terms of condenscension to address me and frankly, I don't appreciate it.

luckily I don't have to put you in my signature, you do a fine enough job making a fool of yourself. can you see that forest yet?

I am sorry but I occassionally find humor in some sentences as they stand on their own...out of context...that's the point of a one line signature. Laugh a little Dorothy. I have certainly said my share of stupid shit on here, feel free to use any of it that you want. If you feel like a fool for something that you typed.....well.....deal with it.

Here's the difference between you and I, in every thread where I have been proven wrong, I have admitted I was wrong. The forest thread, the graduated tax system thread etc etc. I am the first to admit my bad when someone shows me that my comments are incorrect. It's called learning and I am always happy to learn a little. You would rather take it as a personal attack that someone has proven your statement to be incorrect. That's called self-righteousness. I have never personally attacked you or called you a twerp or said fuck you.

[Dorothy Wood]

it's not that I think you've made a fool of me, it's the idea that you are trying to make a fool of me. and you put a thumbs up after what I said to make it "funnier" I guess, even though it was inaccurate and clearly not signature-worthy without it. but, you know, if it's still entertaining to you, then by all means laugh away.

and I admit when I'm wrong. I said "perhaps" because I don't know if what you said about the bombs is true or not. it is entirely possible that I am only retaining information that serves my opinion when it comes to 60's radicals. because I've romanticized them since I was a girl. when it comes down to it, I don't think what they did was any worse than what our government was doing at the time. doesn't make any of it right though, I know this.

and yes, I take the way you talk to me personally. I will not stand by and be belittled by terms like "buttercup" and "sweet dorothy". you wouldn't address me in such a manner if I wasn't a woman, and that is deeply offensive to me. so yeah, fuck you for that, you are a twerp.

[travesty]

and yes, I take the way you talk to me personally. I will not stand by and be belittled by terms like "buttercup" and "sweet dorothy". you wouldn't address me in such a manner if I wasn't a woman, and that is deeply offensive to me. so yeah, fuck you for that, you are a twerp.


watch your tone, sweetheart.

:eek: wha...wha....whhhaaat's up kettle?

I apologize for the misplaced thumbs up. I didn't put it there on my own, it was there after I deleted the rest of the sentence. I realize that it was meant to emphasize another part of that sentence so I took it down at your request. Get over yourself.

[Dorothy Wood]

sar·casm

Pronunciation: \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\ Function:noun Etymology:French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut

Date:1550 1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain2 a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b: the use or language of sarcasm

[travesty]

sar·casm

Pronunciation: \ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\ Function:noun Etymology:French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut

Date:1550 1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain2 a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b: the use or language of sarcasm

Oohhhhhhh, I get it now. When I do it it's sexist but when you do it it's sarcasm. Thanks for enlightening me.

[Dorothy Wood]

no, dumbass. you called me "buttercup" and had previously referred to me as "sweet dorothy", so I sarcastically referred to you as "sweetheart". jesus, engage your brain.

I have a right to protest being addressed in that manner, I don't care if you think I'm being self-righteous. because I am totally righteous on this point.

[100% ILL]

I believe everyone in Washington knows there is a crisis, a universal crisis throughout many nations...cultural, economic, healthcare, warfare, environment.

Exactly, but it remains to be seen in the end what the plan is to ameliorate the crisis. Simply throwing money at the problem is not the solution.


It is all there, we have blown our lids the past decade or so and know to survive we must scale back. Too bad many in power do not share the same sentiment so will continue to contribute to this web of crisis. I think it is much more complicated to put any specifics on it.

No doubt there is an international power struggle on many levels, but I disagree that we've "blown our lids." Perhaps we didn't react soon enough and now it's too late. Time will tell.

If mccain wins (gulp) he too will be faced with this, but I fear he will lash out rather than try to ease it the pain.

If anything, in the past McCain has shown an inclination toward forvigness and moving forward. He, unlike alot of veterans from the Vietnam era has made a personal effort to make ammends. I feel as though your comments are inaccurate.
That "The world" would embrace Obama, is not in fact proven and even if it was would not be indicative of his success in foreign matters. Personally I would prefer someone with more experience (McCain) but that has been argued before.

...adding more to this massive mess, like his master bush.

Again, speculation based on party affiliation.

[kaiser soze]

Exactly, but it remains to be seen in the end what the plan is to ameliorate the crisis. Simply throwing money at the problem is not the solution.

So cutting "earmarks" is the solution. What defines an earmark when the word is thrown around like a hot potato. The crisis isn't just about money, it is about the U.S. reputation as seen throughout the world.

If anything, in the past McCain has shown an inclination toward forvigness and moving forward. He, unlike alot of veterans from the Vietnam era has made a personal effort to make ammends. I feel as though your comments are inaccurate.

Wrong, calling the Vietnamese "gooks", singing songs about "Bombing Iran", and STILL making false statements that his political opponent is a terrorist is making amends...I guess your idea of forgiveness is punching someone in the dick :rolleyes:

Again, speculation based on party affiliation.

wrong again.

mccain himself admitted to voting and campaigning his ass off for bush. have you seen any of the pictures of these guys....they look more like a couple than they do with their wives.

[travesty]

no, dumbass. you called me "buttercup" and had previously referred to me as "sweet dorothy", so I sarcastically referred to you as "sweetheart". jesus, engage your brain.

I have a right to protest being addressed in that manner, I don't care if you think I'm being self-righteous. because I am totally righteous on this point.

whatever babe.
New tag line.:D

[Dorothy Wood]

*throws up on thread*

[Documad]

I thought it was a really stupid thing for Biden to say and it made me cringe.

I like him but he says a lot of stupid stuff. Obama needs to lock him in a cellar until after election day.