Humor me...Re: pitbulls

[little j]

So tomorrow is the 2nd annual pitbull awareness day... something I didn't even know existed until this week, but i'm going to link an educational pdf for your information.

hopefully some of you read it, and learn something about the breed and if you have any questions or whatever i'm happy to answer them.

just trying to get the word out.

thanks!



click me to learn more about jessica's favorite breed! (http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_handout.pdf)



:D

[rirv]

How is Seth's hair?

[little j]

mostly shaved.
:)

[jabumbo]

i prefer to classify my animals by genus.


please satisfy my request

[Dorothy Wood]

HOW COME PITBULLS ARE SO CUTE?! :eek::eek::eek:

[DIGI]

HOW COME PITBULLS ARE SO CUTE?! :eek::eek::eek:

http://www.abouttimecanecorso.com/images/CaneCorsoSecuritySystem1.jpg


adorable!


Okay, okay. So it isn't a pitbull, but fuck........look at it! CRAZY.

P.S. I like Pitbulls.

[little j]

cane corsos ARE crazy looking!!!

this guy is much cuter... (http://picasaweb.google.com/acetheapbt/Ace#5135304396832241730)

:o

[little j]

HOW COME PITBULLS ARE SO CUTE?! :eek::eek::eek:

its the ears and the nose and the face and the eyes, and the goofiness...

as clearly demonstrated:
here (http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa187/babygirlgmu1981/3-26-08_03.jpg)

[kaiser soze]

Pitbull puppies are fucking cute as hell

As much as pitbulls can be sweet, they can be a pain in the ass without the right discipline. They just don't know when to stop!

I'm still partial to greyhounds (http://www.dogcastradio.com/images/Greyhound.jpg) and great danes (http://www.dogcastradio.com/images/GreatDaneDoubleTrouble.jpg)

[redhead]

I am so adopting a greyhound once I get settled in my new house.

[Freebasser]

Fewer pitbulls and more labradors, please

[Dharma]

I had breakfast at Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles the other day and they serve Pitbull energy drink ...I thought it was funny. I had never ever heard of Pitbull energy drink until 3 days go.

[kaiser soze]

I am so adopting a greyhound once I get settled in my new house.

I've heard they are quite docile, it sucks they are treated so poorly and it is STILL tolerated. I can't wait to get one and go to a field and play catch or tag.

[HEIRESS]

I work with a woman who is a quite famous dog breeder.
she grew up with a father who used to provide security to concerts etc and they always used to have dogs at shows in the 60s and if you got bit, you got bit. thats how it was.

anyways, they had all sorts of dogs (usually kept 45 at a time) and she has actually said that the pitbull species should be completely eradicated. she has no faith that they can ever be fully trained and controlled like other breeds. she said they just have something ingrained in their genetic makeup that makes them untrustworthy.

and this is a DOG LOVER. owns like 6 dogs herself at a time usually.

she also said when it comes to guard dogs/family pets german shephards cant be beat.

Im just sharing her opinion.

[little j]

I work with a woman who is a quite famous dog breeder.
she grew up with a father who used to provide security to concerts etc and they always used to have dogs at shows in the 60s and if you got bit, you got bit. thats how it was.

anyways, they had all sorts of dogs (usually kept 45 at a time) and she has actually said that the pitbull species should be completely eradicated. she has no faith that they can ever be fully trained and controlled like other breeds. she said they just have something ingrained in their genetic makeup that makes them untrustworthy.

and this is a DOG LOVER. owns like 6 dogs herself at a time usually.

she also said when it comes to guard dogs/family pets german shephards cant be beat.

Im just sharing her opinion.


thats an unusual opinion since part of the pitbulls genetic characteristic is their trainability and that they they LIVE to please their owner/trainer/human. they thrive at learning new things and are very easily controlled. the only 'negative' trait bred into the pit bull is dog aggression. meaning they are genetically prone to be aggressive towards other dogs.

german shepherds scare me... isn't that weird?

[jabumbo]

*ahem*


you didn't answer my inquisition about the genus of a pitbull

thanks

[little j]

*ahem*


you didn't answer my inquisition about the genus of a pitbull

thanks

oh... um canis?

[Randetica]

german shepherds scare me... isn't that weird?

i find them more dangerous and less trustworthy than any other breed

[Adam]

How come dog owners want you to love their pet as much as they do when you actually don't give a shit about it but refuse to pull it off from humping your leg in your best suit?

I hate dogs. At best, I see them as a necessary nuisance - like pigeons.

[insertnamehere]

One of my dogs we believe to be a pitbull mix. Pit and lab I'm thinking. She def. has the head/jaws/muscles of a pitbull. She's the sweetest dog I have ever met. I'm not just saying that cause she's mine, like seriously, I've lived with/encountered a lot of dogs and she's the sweetest. She was obviously abused by whoever had her before us. She has scars on her face and if anyone ever sounds mad or like, if you drop something and it makes a loud noise she cringes and will go hide behind a chair until you console her.

I'm glad this day exists. I've been trying to edumacate people since I've had her and read up a lot on bully breeds. I actually read one thing that said that pitbulls tend to not perform well in schultzhund (sic?) competitions.. It's like police dog stuff, because they tend to not like biting humans. I think the only reason people think they're so evil is because if one DOES bite you it's going to be a really serious bite. When I'm playing around with my dog and she bites me, her teeth are so big they don't pierce easily (not that I would want them to) but it sometimes leaves bruises on my arms. She used to be a really bad chewer and I've come home to find where she's taken tin cans out of the trash, flattened them and put holes through them.

I wrote a very polite, educated, researched and cited email to a lady who was pushing for breed specific legislation to ban bully breeds and she sent me back something that was like, well I hope for your sake that your dog doesn't decide to rip your throat out one day. :rolleyes:

[russhie]

To me, they're just a dog to avoid. I understand it's mainly about training and how the animal was raised, but my own pet dogs over the years have only ever been attacked by Pitbulls and Pitbull x's. Even though they have been around aggressive Malamutes, Heelers, Dobermans and Shepherds, the only dogs ever to attack to the point of injury were the Pitbulls. Seeing your family pet chased down by a dog bent on injuring it isn't very nice.

[Dorothy Wood]

my friends have a pitbull and he's the cutest nicest dude ever. he is kind of scary when he plays because he is really strong, but his personality is really awesome. he likes to cuddle and he's really curious and playful.

my other friend has a doggie that has some pitbull in her, and she's super smart and well-behaved and has tons of energy.

I am pro-pitbull for sure. even though they can probably kill you. ha.

[Dharma]

I am a huge dog lover, I had four ...one recently passed away.

I hate pitbulls.

I was walking my youngest pug years ago when I only had one ...and I went by a wood fence that was falling apart. My pug was just a puppy then...the pitbull went charging through the fence and went straight for my dog ...I grabbed my little man and jumped up onto a car nearby ...I had to get onto the roof of the car ...and I started screaming until someone in the neighborhood came and helped me.

Let me repeat ...I hate pitbulls.

[ToucanSpam]

I used to hate dogs until my parents decided to get one. It was 2001 and I still had my white cat, April. We went to the animal shelter to find a golden lab puppy just brought in, named 'Goldie'. We found him and my mom fell in love with him right away. Of course I was pretty concerned since I had some bad run ins with dogs when I was a kid (being trapped in a tent by some kids when I was 5 and bitten repeatedly) and I was worried this dog would be the same. When we got him home, Indiana (I got to pick the name) was the sweetest dog ever. He was a chubby golden lab/pit bull mix. I soon came to love that dog more than anything. Sadly, he was always so eccentric and he never really calmed down. Still, it was nice opening up the door and seeing him wagging his tale so much.

The biggest problem we had with him was his biting. He was nippy as a puppy and my folks were worried he would never break out of it. The older he got the more territorial he became and he got more fierce. When he was two or three some shithead delivery boy kicked him and Indy fought back, biting him in the process. By the time he was six he had drawn blood on my dad and my folks decided it was time to put him down. I was so furious with them, I refused to let them do it for weeks. One day coming home from work my mom told me they had him put down...all I remember that day was it was the day after the midnight opening of Revenge of the Sith and I was so heartbroken that my dog was gone.


God I miss him every day and it still hurts so much knowing I'll never see him wagging his tail when I open the door to come home.:(

[little j]

aww toucan spam im so sorry! puppy nipping and 'mouthing' should definitely be trained away at a very early age... so sorry for your loss.

russhie and dharma - sorry for your experiences. dog aggression is something that pit bull owners need to expect and ready them selves for. thats why they should never be off leash in public, or allowed to roam the streets. They should be well socialized, but even the most well socialized pit bull could grow up to be dog aggressive... it really sucks.


Adam - you will love my dog or else... i promise he wont hump you. ok... i really dont care if you love my dog... i love him enough for both of us.

[saz]

(y)

she has actually said that the pitbull species should be completely eradicated. she has no faith that they can ever be fully trained and controlled like other breeds. she said they just have something ingrained in their genetic makeup that makes them untrustworthy.

i completely agree. despite being completely banned in ontario, you still hear and read about pitbull attacks in the news, as they have a great tendency to snap.

[insertnamehere]

I believe that the only reason they "snap" is when they were raised by ignorant cunts that trained them to be extra aggressive for fighting or whatever. I use the word "train" loosely. People that have them for fighting beat them, treat them like absolute shit, and force them to eat things like gunpowder to give them ulcers. If you grew up in those conditions and some little shit started slapping you around, you'd want to kill them too.

Pits are not naturally human aggressive. They do tend to be dog aggressive, but if yours is, you should take special care to keep them away from other dogs (special care being logical things like keep them on a lease).

My pit mix looooooves other dogs. She's ultra submissive. She loves all animals actually. She likes to play ever so gently with frogs. She'll tap them to make them jump and follow them, lay down and look at them, make noises at them, and never do anything to hurt them. She's so big and clumsy but she's so darn gentle and dainty with smaller animals.

Once I had to babysit my moms fucktard little dog. He and my other dog didnt get along at all and were constantly nipping at each other and at times would get into it bad enough that my dog would rip some of my mom's dog's fur out. My pit tried to stay between them all the time, would literally turn her body and walk around with the puppy to keep them separated. I saw her once, when they started to get in a fight, put her mouth over his back and pin him to get him to stop. She's super sweet and super gentle.

She did kill a mouse once. Well, it was the both of them together. It was quite epic. But otherwise shes never hurt anything or even acted like she wanted to.

[Dharma]

So on Pitbull awareness day ....do a bunch of rednecks sit around and watch videos of children and other dogs get mauled by pitbulls?

[russhie]

I believe that the only reason they "snap" is when they were raised by ignorant cunts that trained them to be extra aggressive for fighting or whatever. I use the word "train" loosely. People that have them for fighting beat them, treat them like absolute shit, and force them to eat things like gunpowder to give them ulcers. If you grew up in those conditions and some little shit started slapping you around, you'd want to kill them too.


Any dog that grew up under conditions like that would be more likely to "snap" but breeding has alot of say too. Dogs like pitbulls and chows were bred to fight with things. They are just predisposed to aggression, it's in years and years of breeding. Look at what happened with Cocker Spaniels years ago - irresponsible breeding meant that a whole bunch of them became aggressive later on in life. And they're itty bitty little family dogs.

Both my dogs were raised the same, both were from the same litter but with different fathers of different breeds (it's possible) and both display character traits relative to their respective breeds. I'm not saying all pitbulls are bad dogs that'll tear your arm off when you're not looking, but the fact is they, like alot of other dogs bred for fighting, just have that potenial to snap, even if they are raised properly...I guess.

[saz]

So on Pitbull awareness day ....do a bunch of rednecks sit around and watch videos of children and other dogs get mauled by pitbulls?

ahahah that was pretty good.

seriously, pitbulls should cease being bred and banned where they're not already banned. they are predisposed to aggression and even the best raised pitbulls do snap. i hear and read about pitbull atttacks at least five to seven times a year, they've been quite frequent in recent years and it's getting pretty disturbing.

edit:


Pit bull attacks horse on Burnaby trail (http://www.canada.com/burnabynow/news/story.html?id=1319b653-7275-4f61-a71a-2c36df37f8e0)
Burnaby Now, Canada - 25 Oct 2008
And that's when she saw what she describes as a pit bull hanging by its teeth off the side of her horse. Jazz was bucking and managed to kick the canine off ...

Pit bull attack: 'By all rights, that dog should have killed me.' (http://www.gastongazette.com/news/quinn_26308___article.html/dog_pit.html)
Gaston Gazette, NC - 22 Oct 2008
"By all rights, that dog should have killed me," said Quinn, who was attacked by a loose pit bull from a neighboring yard. "You really do feel you're in ...

Loose pit bull attacks cat, injures owner (http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081022/NEWS02/310228132)
GoErie.com, PA - 22 Oct 2008
The attack Tuesday was the third since Friday in the city involving pit bulls or pit bull mixes preying on smaller animals. Culbertson said he's concerned ...

Family not to be charged in pit bull attack (http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9219575&nav=menu107_2)
KVBC, NV - 22 Oct 2008
No criminal charges will come from the death of a baby girl who was mauled by two pit bulls in September. The Review-Journal reports that prosecutors are ...

8-year-old girl hospitalized after pit bull attack 4:32 PM CT (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/100708dnmetpitbullattack.e8c60c4d.html)
Dallas Morning News, TX - 6 Oct 2008
... was taken by ambulance to a local hospital. Mesquite animal services is now searching for two pit bulls that they believe were involved in the attack.

Pit bull attacks; he wants answers, laws (http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081017/NEWS01/810170353/1006/news01)
Florida Today, FL - 17 Oct 2008
Those angels, two good Samaritans who held a snarling pit bull at bay until authorities arrived, saved him from death. But Lindee is still living in his own ...

Woman Guilty Of Letting Pit Bull Attack Mailman (http://cbs2.com/local/pit.bull.attack.2.842514.html)
CBS 2, CA - 16 Oct 2008
WESTMINSTER A Westminster woman was convicted Thursday of a misdemeanor charge of allowing her pit bull to attack a letter carrier and ordered to give up ...

Dog owner cited in pit bull attack (http://www.in-forum.com/News/articles/218567)
In-Forum, ND - 15 Oct 2008
The owner of a pit bull that attacked another dog in Fargo last month has been cited for not confining a vicious dog. Florentino Rodriguez of Fargo faces up ...

Woman and Child Hurt in Pit Bull Attack Tuesday Evening (http://www.ksallink.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=6060&format=html)
KSAL, KS - 14 Oct 2008
A woman and a child were both transported to the hospital Tuesday evening following an attack by a Pit Bull. At around 5:30 in the evening police were ...

[Randetica]

the people who made them killer machines should be banned

[insertnamehere]

There's also a tendency to call any dog of unknown origin that attacks someone a pit bull. This sums it up pretty well
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

I'm not saying there aren't aggressive pit bulls or that there aren't irresponsible breeders, but I don't think the whole breed should be banned. Pit bulls used to be kept as family dogs. Who didn't love Petey? Everybody loves Petey! They've just got a bad reputation and are disproportionately kept by bad owners who want them to do bad things.

Once I have the means to get myself a dog (a real apartment, money) I'm going to adopt from a shelter, and it depends on the individual dogs and their personalities but I'm definitely leaning towards getting a bully breed.

[kll]

FYI for home owners and renters - most insurance policies these days refuse to insure a home if there is a "vicious" dog breed at the house. This includes pit bulls AND pit mixes. If you need to be out renting places that may exclude you due to this (or owning a home), I would think twice about owning this breed or a mix of this breed. Young people don't think about this, but if you can't find housing due to the breed of dog you own, this can really be an inconvenience. You may think, "who cares?" now, but this dog will be alive for more than 10 years and this could impact you later in life. Nothing worse than an asshole dog owner having to get rid of their dog later in life due to poor choices. This is not a slam on the breed, just a fact.

Just sayin'...

The only problems I've had with my pug at the local dog park have been with Pits wanting to make him their "bitch". On 3 different occasions with 3 different UNFIXED males, they have tried to mount my dog in a very aggressive way (this is not the typical humping on the back of a dog mounting, but the REAL kind)... very uncomfortable and they know to keep us apart. Crazy, but they push my hand and "herd" me away from him.


This is a link to a local story that happened over the weekend - loose Pit attacks a dog on a leash, owner of the victimized dog pulls gun and shoots dog and hits the Pit's owner also. http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008810270354

[insertnamehere]

he he.... our papers from the animal shelter list her as a "terrier mix"

nothing wrong with terrier mixes :o

[saz]

They've just got a bad reputation and are disproportionately kept by bad owners who want them to do bad things.

yeah keep telling yourself that.

[Randetica]

"Don't just look at a dog's breed when selecting one. Even the gentlest of breeds can be violent ones, especially if they aren't given enough socialization and training. Did you know that the breeds that are more likely to bite are the ones people rarely think about - like the cuddly toy poodle or the Jack Russell Terrier?
Beware of THESE Dogs.

The truth of the matter is, all dogs can be provoked or egged on to bite. There's no such thing as a "bad" breed. Practically all kinds of dogs are trainable. Proper training and socialization can make otherwise violent dogs, such as pit bull terriers and Rottweilers, adorable and gentle ones."



i had a dalmatian, a fucking walt disney dog! and he was way more aggressive than any pitbull ive ever met

i actually never met an aggressive pitbull

[YoungRemy]

the people who made them killer machines should be banned

punish the deed, not the breed!

[insertnamehere]

People used to have this same stigma with rottweilers, although I think that's waned a bit. Rottweilers and dobermans used to be the evil killer dogs in the public eye. Now it's pit bulls. I think it's just whichever dog is more popular in rap music videos at the time :rolleyes:

[Dharma]

How ironic Pitbull awareness week is during Disability awareness month.

LOL

[kll]

People used to have this same stigma with rottweilers, although I think that's waned a bit. Rottweilers and dobermans used to be the evil killer dogs in the public eye. Now it's pit bulls. I think it's just whichever dog is more popular in rap music videos at the time :rolleyes:

these breeds are also not allowed on the insurance policies.

[HEIRESS]

http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/08/spring-poling-how-to-increase-pit-bulls.html

INTENSE

"I suggested my friend contact the state insurance fraud anonymous hotline and report suspected insurance fraud.

The response was immediate...the investigators confirmed that this was, indeed considered insurance fraud if the carrier was not aware that the dog owner owned a pit bull with a bite history. They eagerly took all the information, and assured her that she would remain anonymous. They requested dates of police resports of incidents, etc. The owner of the dog has a mortgage, which requires home owners insurance; it is quite likely his insurance carrier will cancel his policy if the dog remains, which means his lender can call in the loan. This may be the easiest way to remove a dangerous dog from a neighborhood, and I hope other posters take note."

[insertnamehere]

Something that worries me is that my dog is going to accidentally hurt someone... not even neccisarily bite them since she doesn't bite unless you're playing rough with her, and then the bites don't break skin and bruise at the most... but she does jump a lot. And she gets really really excited when she meets people. I could see someone acting really happy and getting her worked up with OH HI ARENT YOU THE CUTEST WITTLE... and then she jumps on them and scratches them up and they flip out about it. She did accidentally stab my dad in the leg once because he'd just gotten home and she was really excited and lunged towards him with her feet straight out. She has seriously the biggest nails I've ever seen on a dog.

I was once on the ground wrasslin' with both of my dogs and she nipped my cheek but I'm sure that it was not intended for my face. If she ever hurts anyone its going to be pretty much their own fault.

I've lived with, met, and played with a lot of dogs in my day and I've only ever REALLY be bitten once. It was a westie, and it got me in the face. Practically pierced my lip. Ouch. The worst part was when it got all swollen and gross looking and everyone asked me what happened and I had to tell them, and they their response without fail would be something like "LOL Why were you making out with a dog?" Again I feel that that bite was more my fault than anything and hold neither the dog nor the owner accountable, although she felt really horrible about it when she saw me bleeding from the face.

[A. Chimendez]

Fewer pitbulls and more labradors, please

Too late dude. You have any idea how over bred labs are now? They have so many behavior problems now because of it.

In conclusion, Labs suck.

Pitbulls=rock(y)

[A. Chimendez]

Dear Sazi,

You do realize how local news stations work right? The only time dog attacks are reported on the news is when it was a "pit bull" or some other dog that is stereotyped as "vicious".
Yes, pit bulls have a long history of being bred to fight but ANY dog has a gene to be aggressive because they are ANIMALS. Its up to the owner to be responsible for the animals actions. The owner is the one that allowed aggressive behavior to continue and the OWNER should be punished not ANY animal that falls under some wide umbrella.
What you're suggesting is Breed Specific Legislation, or BSL and its absolutely completely WRONG and UNFAIR.

Banning Pit Bulls would be like banning cars because people get killed in car accidents! Who's responsible, the car or the driver/manufacturer? Any car can be deadly in the wrong hands or if built with defective parts. Same thing with dogs... Any dog. Pit Bulls are no more responsible for the way they are bred, raised and trained, than cars are responsible for the way they are designed, built and driven.
Simply put, the best argument against breed bans is that they are costly and ineffective. Breed bans are often a knee-jerk reaction from politicians who want to say they are "doing something", after a highly publicized dog attack (of any breed). This is a useless exercise.

A 10 Lbs Pomeranian killed a baby a few years ago... Obviously a problem with that particular dog, not the breed. "The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)"
Because of a serious lack of regulation in dog breeding, too many dogs inherit defective genes and are sold to irresponsible owners. A breed ban will not resolve the problem. This nonsense will continue with the next macho breed and will become an endless race between breed specific legislators and unscrupulous breeders.


"Pit bull" is not a breed, but a "type" that encompasses several registered breeds and crossbreeds. Therefore, statistics that claim "Pit bulls" are responsible for some percentage of attacks are lumping many separate breeds together, then comparing that to other dogs that are counted as individual breeds.

Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". Try this little quiz for fun: Find the Pit Bull (http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html) See how many people you know can pick out a pit bull from pictures, let alone in the middle of an attack.
The Diane Whipple case. One of the first times the owner has been held responsible for the actions of their dog. Note that the breed involved was the Perro de Presa Canario (Canary Dog) from Spain, yet the brunt of the negative press again targeted the pit bull, an all but unrelated breed. Clearly the message is lets stop targeting the dogs! Pit Bulls are no more dangerous than any other strong and large dog. They just happen to attract more irresponsible and abusive owners than any other breed... Ironically, by portraying them in a negative way, the media and breed legislators only make them irresistibly attractive to individuals with bad intentions. Do Pit Bull haters really think that after banning the breed all the criminals who use these dogs as weapons will own Basset Hounds? And if they did, how long do you think it would take before Basset Hounds start making the news? A breed ban will only remove Pit Bulls from the good people's homes and leave them in the hands of animal abusers who couldn't care less about the law... Better think twice before supporting such measure...
Breed Bans

BSL: A group of laws that bans particular breeds, usually pit bulls (a type of dog, not a breed) and sometimes Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Akitas, Dobermans, Chow Chows, and a few others. These laws are usually passed after several attacks by a particular breed so that city councils can assure citizens they are �doing something� about a voter concern.

But breed bans don't work. They target all dogs of a breed -- the innocent as well as the guilty; are difficult to enforce; and do not end the use of guardian dogs by criminals. If pit bulls in their various incarnations are banned, drug dealers and other felons switch to another breed or mix. In the meantime, the ill-tempered terrier mix that bites the hand that feeds it and the poorly-bred purebred that attacks the neighborhood children pose a far greater danger to people than the obedience-trained American Staffordshire Terrier that is a registered therapy dog but cannot step foot inside the city.

Far better than breed-specific bans are strict laws to control aggressive dogs of any breed or mix. Known as generic vicious dog laws, they put restrictions on the ownership of dogs that pose a danger to people, restrictions such as confinement in locked, escape-proof kennels while outdoors on the owner's property; muzzles when the dog is off the property; and purchase of a liability insurance policy.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/legislation.php

Love,
responsible pit bull owners

[HEIRESS]

I still dont agree. I am a dog lover to the max but...

if a certain type of dog is labelled as dangerous (with enough proven evidence) than why cant a residential ban be put on it?

pretty sure its against almost all municipality laws to keep exotic pets such as tigers or bears in your back yard.
why were such laws put in place? because such animals can potentially kill people
yes, let them roam free in the wild by all means and if people cross their paths and get hurt or killed, well that's the way the cookie crumbles. but its totally feasible that pitbulls could fall under the same legislature.

I could see in the near future laws being passed that would only allow pitbulls to be kept my owners that live outside of city limits.


ps.
Im surprised noone has posted this link again.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236001,00.html

[Randetica]

many types of dogs could kill you so lets just ban all dogs instead

[HEIRESS]

many types of dogs could kill you so lets just ban all dogs instead

you never know. it could happen. or atleast all dogs over a certain size could be banned from within city limits.

[HotAndWet]

Anasazi sure does love posting links.

Ps I heart pitbulls.

[saz]

You do realize how local news stations work right? The only time dog attacks are reported on the news is when it was a "pit bull" or some other dog that is stereotyped as "vicious".
Yes, pit bulls have a long history of being bred to fight but ANY dog has a gene to be aggressive because they are ANIMALS. Its up to the owner to be responsible for the animals actions. The owner is the one that allowed aggressive behavior to continue and the OWNER should be punished not ANY animal that falls under some wide umbrella.
What you're suggesting is Breed Specific Legislation, or BSL and its absolutely completely WRONG and UNFAIR.

yes, i've worked in media and broadcasting for the last four years. no offence, but your assertion that "the only time dog attacks are reported on the news is when it was a pit bull or some other dog that is stereotyped as vicious" is a total crock of shit. nice try. yes, sometimes other breeds of dogs may bite and injure people, however these incidents do not even begin to compare, or rather utterly pale in comparison to the amount of and vicious degree of dozens and dozens of fatal pitbull attacks on an annual basis. and stop using that b.s. line of "oh, it's just because of neglectful owners" etc. that is such crap. sure, of course there are all sorts of terrible pet owners out there, but the bottom line is that attempting to link every fatal and vicious pitbull attack to neglectful owners is incredibly weak, flawed and preposterous. and sorry, but try telling the families of victims who have been seriously wounded, maimed or killed by pitbulls that banning them outright is wrong or unfair.


Pit bull attacks horse on Burnaby trail
Owner says dog sank teeth into side of her horse and just hung on
Jennifer Moreau, Burnaby Now
Published: Saturday, October 25, 2008

Sylvia Baur is still shaken up from a frightening attack at Burnaby Lake - and the North Vancouver resident has one spooked horse on her hands.

On Tuesday, Baur was out for her daily ride with Jazz, her thoroughbred filly, who lives in a barn at the Burnaby Horsemen's Association, near the lake.

At about 4:30 p.m., Baur was on a park trail parallel to Highway 1 when, all of a sudden, Jazz threw her to the ground.

"My horse started bucking out of nowhere," she recalled. Baur landed on her feet and held on to the reins. And that's when she saw what she describes as a pit bull hanging by its teeth off the side of her horse. Jazz was bucking and managed to kick the canine off, but it didn't end there.

"The dog just kept on coming back and attacking her," Baur said, adding the dog was limping and bleeding. "It really seemed like he was going for the kill."

Baur called for help and screamed at the dog to go away, all the while scared it would attack her too.

When the suspected owners showed up, they called off the dog.

"I tried to approach them, but they took off right away," Baur said. "I said, 'Your dog just attacked my horse, ... your dog is in trouble.'"

Baur described the suspected owners as a man and woman in their early 60s, while the dog had black and white patches and looked like a pit bull.

Jazz is on antibiotics and has bite marks on her side. She's recovering in the barn at the horsemen's association, and the vet bills haven't come yet.

"She's definitely traumatized," Baur said, adding she won't be able to ride Jazz for a long time.

The trail Baur was on is for horses and regular park users, and dogs are supposed to be on leashes.

"I want to raise awareness that people need to keep their dogs on leashes. It's so dangerous with a horse," she said. "We could have really been injured.

"Those people should have had their dog on a leash. It's so irresponsible of them," she said, adding she doesn't blame the dog. "I feel bad because my horse really injured the dog badly."

Baur called police, but they said they couldn't do anything since the owners didn't order the dog to attack her.

The SPCA is contracted by the City of Burnaby to enforce dog-related bylaws and investigate canine attacks.

Ryan Voutilainen of the SPCA's Burnaby branch said the attack happened on Metro Vancouver land, so it would be the regional body's responsibility to patrol and handle complaints. But the SPCA would want to investigate anyway since the owners probably live in Burnaby, he added.

Baur also talked to park staff about the incident. Park spokesperson Frieda Schade said this was the first time she's heard of a dog attacking a horse in the area, and she's been on the job for nearly two decades.

Park staff patrol the area and enforce their own bylaws. The fine for off-leash dogs is $50. Park staff do get occasional complaints about dogs, but Schade said they haven't received any matching the description of the canine in question.

link (http://www.canada.com/burnabynow/news/story.html?id=1319b653-7275-4f61-a71a-2c36df37f8e0)


a pitbull, on a walk with its owners, repeatedly attacked a horse. A HORSE. what dog repeatedly tries to attack a horse? oh yeah, that's right, pitbulls do, because they are FUCKED UP DOGS.

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[Randetica]

you never know. it could happen. or atleast all dogs over a certain size could be banned from within city limits.


the bigger a dog is the more harmless and calm it is (in most cases), the small ones are more likely to bite you cause they are some lil anger fucks
they dont have the power to kill you but i trust the bigger types of dogs any time of the day

pitbulls should only get banned if all of them were aggressive and not just because of some aggressive examples


i grew up with dogs and some other pets but the most dangerous animal i ever had is definitely the hamster

[A. Chimendez]

It is VERY important to note that, in dogs, and especially with this particular breed, aggression toward humans (called human aggression) is a COMPLETELY separate trait from aggression toward dogs (dog aggression) and/or other animals (animal aggression). While a dog may be both human and animal aggressive, the presence of one kind of aggression DOES NOT mandate or exclude the presence of the other.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/breedinfo.html

That includes aggression against other ANIMALS as well.

You CAN'T lump all dogs as being "fucked up". Plenty of attacks are other breeds.

Search the American Temperament Test Society (http://www.atts.org/). Pit bulls have an average score that beats even the "ultimate family dog", the Golden Retriever.


There is an 8 out of 10 chance that a biting dog is male. (Humane Society of the United States.) There is a 6 out of 10 chance that a biting dog has not been neutered. (Humane Society of the United States.) No fatal dog attack involving an altered dog was ever reported.
Although some believe Pit bull mixes and Rottweillers are most likely to kill and seriously maim, fatal attacks since 1975 have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.



My wife goes to school to be a vet tech and had to study all breeds of dogs in depth. Hi there-This is Katie. At my school we get all breeds of dogs in from shelters to practice on, this is where I really got to experience all the different temperaments. I've had many lengthy discussions with fellow classmates about how ridiculous it is about people's misconceptions on pit bulls.



First of all, we get in about 2 different pits on average each semester-I have yet to meet one that I wouldn't love more to use for a class-they all have been well behaved. Second of all, when it comes to breeds, I have to say that I am more scared of being bit by a black lab. They've been so over bred that most are mouthy (yay!), jump on you, pull constantly on your leash, and are terrible with restraint. Pits, on the other hand, if they're raised right have the sweetest temperament. For example, while practicing our radiology techniques (x-rays to you) we had a pit for a specific technique in which this dog had to lay on it's back for minutes on end. PERFECT, sweetest thing IN THE WORLD. Never moved, never nipped, never did anything. This dog is just an example of all the great pits that I have come to know and love. Banshee, my all time favorite, was a big "happy tail" girl-tag wags so much that they tend to bang their tails on things out of excitement and intimately injure it. Anyways, she was always super excited to get out of her cage, of course, like every other dog. You'd expect her to jump out of her cage and race for the door...wait, no, that's a black lab. Oops.



Want to know what every single chart has said about these pits for reason for abandonment? "Developed Allergies" My ass. Just mis-informed a-holes hearing all this hype and getting scared of their dog that has been their loyal friend for years. Or, if you want it, breed discrimination and were forced to put them for adoption before they were seized for some bullshit idea. Come on people. Get to know something before you start your un-needed discriminations.

Just today, I had the dog from hell. Guess what it was yet? Black lab. Guess what her kennel door says? "Please muzzle". Needless to say, muzzling her was a huge relief due to the fact that all she wanted to do was BITE YOU. Try giving a dog an injection that has more energy than 5 two year old children in one let alone living with a family.


The horse being attacked? Yeah it was the OWNERS fault.



Understand that Pit Bulls may be dog-aggressive. The breed was initially created and developed for the sport of dog-fighting. As a result, Pit Bulls have an important predisposition for dog-aggression. Take precautions and use common sense. Don't allow your Pit Bull to run up to unknown dogs and never allow unknown dogs to run up to your Pit Bull. Remember, you are the leader! Pit Bull owners should not expect their dog to be friends with unfamiliar dogs. Some Pit Bulls cannot be around any other dogs at all. With Pit Bulls you cannot �train out' the desire to fight another dog anymore than you can �train out' the desire to chase running rabbits in the Greyhound. You can curb this behavior and often control it, but not stop it altogether. As long as you understand this and can love your dog for who and what he is, you've got it made!


They obviously did let the dog roam free and saw the horse as a giant dog. If they were resposible that dog wouldn't have been around that horse unsupervised.




and sorry, but try telling the families of victims who have been seriously wounded, maimed or killed by pitbulls that banning them outright is wrong or unfair.


Yeah it works both ways. Breed bans take away loved family members from completly responsible pet owners.






finally
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pospress.php

[A. Chimendez]

Im surprised noone has posted this link again.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236001,00.html

yeah that link is bullshit. Why the fuck would you let a puppy be in a room alone with a baby? PUPPIES CHEW ON STUFF. The six week old puppy won't be like "oh these are human toes, i shouldn't chew on them"

It was something to chew on.

Fuck.

[saz]

yeah like i said, other dogs may bite and harm people and other animals, however vicious pitbull attacks, maimings, and killings are an epidemic. right, all of these attacks, maimings and killings are just misconceptions. i'm not arguing that pitbulls aren't capable of being friendly dogs, but rather that they are incredibly dangerous, as the evidence is overwhelming. and you're missing the point about the horse attack, and then you're attempting to argue that the pitbull should've been on a leash and therefore it's the owners fault. the bottom line is that a pitbull repeatedly ATTACKED A HORSE, biting and latching onto it. and no, pitbull owners wouldn't have their pitbulls taken away with a ban. that's not how bans work, at least where i live anyways. breeding and importation of pitbulls is what constitutes the ban.

[insertnamehere]

I'm glad that so many of your are pit bull lovers. This is something I feel pretty strongly about. Pit bulls used to be a family dog before all the bad press.

My mix was very obviously horribly abused before we got her. She still has some personality quarks from it. It's really quite sad to see. If you stub your toe and yell, the look on her face is just so depressing. But as soon as you reassure her she goes back to smiling. Pits smile a lot. She's got the most facial expression of any dog I've ever seen. When you come home after being gone for a long time she bares her teeth. If you didn't know any better it would probably look scary but she's making this face :D and makes whimpery noises and wags her tail so hard she has to alternate her feet on the floor. It's adorable.

Maybe you just have to get to know one first. Basically everyone I know who has ever owned or known a pit bull type has absolutely loved them. I would tend to prefer adopting them simply because as a breed they are the worst treated and least likely to be adopted.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/rahobbs/libbyface.jpg <-- that's her "oh yeah scratch right there" face :o

[hellojello]

My dad had to shoot his own dog after it attacked livestock one too many times. It never attacked humans but it would always attack other dogs and occasionally livestock. Because it was a terrier X it had lock jaw so once it latched on it was virtually impossible to get it to let go. Of course he would always keep it leashed around other dogs but when he was living and working on a farm it's not realistic to think your working dog will be chained all day, or always when it is around livestock.

Anyways I think it was one of the hardest things he ever did afterward he threw the rifle into the river.

Although there's a lot of truth to the argument that it's the owners who train dogs to be vicious (my dad's dog was abused before he owned it as well) and that it's not inherent in their breed, the fact that some breeds have more of a tendency to become that way more than others really begs the question as to whether some breeds should be eliminated as family pets. They may not ever harm their owners or their owners families, but they still have the capacity to seriously injure or kill other peoples pets/animals and possibly even humans.

[russhie]

^yep.

Insertnamehere, I always thought pitbulls were bred as fighting dogs before they were adopted as household pets. I don't think it's the mountains of bad press that have earned them the reputation of dogs that have been bred to attack.

As a side note, my cousin's Maltese terrier was put to sleep after an argument over the dog landed it in the pound. Its personality was deemed 'unadoptable' and it was euthanised 24hrs after being bought in. It had been bought up properly and treated well, but something inside its furry little head just wasn't quite right. It can happen to any dog, yes, but i'd much rather be bitten by a nutty maltese than a pitbull, if I had to choose, and I think that's part of the point - minimising risk.

[Randetica]

My dad had to shoot his own dog after it attacked livestock one too many times. It never attacked humans but it would always attack other dogs and occasionally livestock. Because it was a terrier X it had lock jaw so once it latched on it was virtually impossible to get it to let go. Of course he would always keep it leashed around other dogs but when he was living and working on a farm it's not realistic to think your working dog will be chained all day, or always when it is around livestock.

Anyways I think it was one of the hardest things he ever did afterward he threw the rifle into the river.

Although there's a lot of truth to the argument that it's the owners who train dogs to be vicious (my dad's dog was abused before he owned it as well) and that it's not inherent in their breed, the fact that some breeds have more of a tendency to become that way more than others really begs the question as to whether some breeds should be eliminated as family pets. They may not ever harm their owners or their owners families, but they still have the capacity to seriously injure or kill other peoples pets/animals and possibly even humans.

why didnt he gave the dog to someone else instead of shooting it? thats retarded

[hellojello]

Because a different owner won't change a dog that's vicious no matter who owns it. That's why dogs get put down all the time that attack animals/peoples. It's not the owners it's something innate in the animal.

[Randetica]

Because a different owner won't change a dog that's vicious no matter who owns it. That's why dogs get put down all the time that attack animals/peoples. It's not the owners it's something innate in the animal.

my dog wanted to attack other animals and humans aswell but we had him in control

[hellojello]

Well done. I hope your dog enjoys its life permanently on a leash or indoors, or muzzled. If it didn't have to be kept like it, it wasn't like the dog I'm describing.

[Randetica]

Well done. I hope your dog enjoys its life permanently on a leash or indoors, or muzzled. If it didn't have to be kept like it, it wasn't like the dog I'm describing.

we walked out with him into the greens and he could run his ass off and yes he enjoyed life

and only cause your dad couldnt handle that dog doesnt mean that no one could

i would not even get the idea to kill one of my pets

[A. Chimendez]

and no, pitbull owners wouldn't have their pitbulls taken away with a ban. that's not how bans work, at least where i live anyways. breeding and importation of pitbulls is what constitutes the ban.

Yes they would. I've read stories (no i dont have links) where they are because of the following senario.

A pit bull is being walked and causes no harm but because of whatever negative stereotype and stigma goes along with it, neighbor x calls the cops and says they have an illegal dog and its taken away. Thats why its a COMPLETE BAN. The ban says you are not aloud to have ANY dog that fits on the breed specific legislation, period.
Not a dog with a bite record. Just anything thats considered a "pit bull"

I really feel like you havent read ANYTHING that I've posted and really I feel sorry for you that you really can't see it through the eyes of people who have owned, still own, and will continue to own these dogs because they are great companions.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about when we say BSL or complete ban. People will have their dogs taken away NO MATER IF THEY ATTACK ANYONE OR NOT.

The problem is known breeders of pit bulls that breed then SPECIFICALLY for fighting and anybody that buys then for that purpose. A crack down of that kind of activity is in order, not a full out making them illegal to own.

I'm also done with this thread, because now I realize you dont even understand what full bans in states and towns even constitutes. They are trying to make these dogs, ALL of them illegal.

There are just as much evidence that bull terriers are NOT wild killer animals.

[insertnamehere]

Because it was a terrier X it had lock jaw so once it latched on it was virtually impossible to get it to let go.


pitbulls DO NOT have a locking jaw. their jaws are built just like any other dogs. you can find this info NUMEROUS places, but just as an example since i dont think you will take my word for it

The most common myth about 'pit bull' dogs is that their jaws lock. This is untrue.

Breeds like the American Pit Bull Terrier do have very powerful jaws, and this is where this myth comes from. However, the jaw does not 'lock' - and you cannot get the jaw to 'lock' through abusive actions such as breaking the jaw. (yes, we have heard from people who believe this is how you get a 'locking jaw' and we have incredibly sympathy for any animals they own.)

On this topic Dr. 1. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia wrote:
"The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."
http://www.dogwatch.net/myths/lock_jaw.html



Insertnamehere, I always thought pitbulls were bred as fighting dogs before they were adopted as household pets. I don't think it's the mountains of bad press that have earned them the reputation of dogs that have been bred to attack.

Bully breeds (basically anything with bull in the name, and stafordshire terriers) all have common ancestors that were dogs used in bull baiting, bear baiting and dogfights. These dogs were NOT bread for aggressiveness but for "gameness." They don't give up easily once they are determined to perform a task and they are extremely loyal. As I and others have stated before, they are less prone to biting humans than many other breeds of dogs and score incredibly well in temperment testing, better than dogs you traditionally think of as family dogs. I don't have any numbers pulled up to look at but I think someone earlier said they score on average better than golden retrievers. The thing is they will do anything to get the approval of their people. I don't know how much of my dogs behavior is from her previous abuse and how much is just personality, but if she thinks she's done anything to displease us she looks so terrified and sad. If their owner tells them to attack something they will, and once they've decided to attack something they don't give up easily.

The dogs only fairly recently and occasionally began to be bred for aggressiveness when dogfighting became illegal. The people left in dogfighting are ignorant, cruel, and don't know what they're doing. They think a good fighting dog is a mean dog. I'm not saying I think in any way that dog fighting should be legal... that just seems to be the way that it worked out. I'm sure there have got to be some fucked up, in-bred bloodlines that have been bred for aggressiveness by people that engage in dog fights, but by no means is it all or even most of the breed. A couple more things I'm stealing from wiki:

-They were also bred to be intelligent and level-headed during fights and remain non-aggressive toward their handlers. Part of the standard for organized dog-fighting required that the match referee who is unacquainted with the dog be able to enter the ring, pick up a dog while it was engaged in a fight, and get the respective owner to carry it out of the ring without being bitten. Dogs that bit the referee were culled.
-the American Pit Bull Terrier, became known as an "all-American" dog. Pit Bull-type dogs became popular as family pets for citizens who were not involved in dog-fighting or farming. In the early 1900s they began to appear in films, one of the more famous examples being Pete the Pup from the Our Gang shorts (later known as The Little Rascals).
During World War I the breed's widespread popularity led to its being featured on pro-American propaganda posters.

Something else I should add: i love pits but i definitely dont think that they are the right dog for everyone, and i might even say to stay away from them if you are getting your first dog. you need to accept the responsibility of socializing it. its probably best to get it at a young age so that you have more of an influence of this and because its hard to know what kind of past a dog may have had. from my own dog and from what ive read about the breed i would say they need a LOT of love and attention. if they get bored or get separation anxiety they can get destructive. but a happy, well raised pit bull in my experiences is one of the most loyal and loving dogs there is

this sounds kind of lame but for anyone that is really interested, pit bulls for dummies has a really good history and lots of really good info about the type.

[insertnamehere]

Yes they would. I've read stories (no i dont have links) where they are because of the following senario.

A pit bull is being walked and causes no harm but because of whatever negative stereotype and stigma goes along with it, neighbor x calls the cops and says they have an illegal dog and its taken away. Thats why its a COMPLETE BAN. The ban says you are not aloud to have ANY dog that fits on the breed specific legislation, period.
Not a dog with a bite record. Just anything thats considered a "pit bull"

I really feel like you havent read ANYTHING that I've posted and really I feel sorry for you that you really can't see it through the eyes of people who have owned, still own, and will continue to own these dogs because they are great companions.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about when we say BSL or complete ban. People will have their dogs taken away NO MATER IF THEY ATTACK ANYONE OR NOT.

The problem is known breeders of pit bulls that breed then SPECIFICALLY for fighting and anybody that buys then for that purpose. A crack down of that kind of activity is in order, not a full out making them illegal to own.

I'm also done with this thread, because now I realize you dont even understand what full bans in states and towns even constitutes. They are trying to make these dogs, ALL of them illegal.

There are just as much evidence that bull terriers are NOT wild killer animals.

^ correct. when bsl goes into effect, you have to get rid of your dog, or just hope no one turns you in. another problem with bsl is that its very vague as to what is/is not allowed. the wording is usually something along the lines of "pit bull type dog" and can include the standard breeds that are often considered pit bulls (american pit bull terrier, bull terrier, and stafordshire terrier) as well as any dog that is though to resemble any of these breeds. if you refer to this link i already posted http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html that's a lot of dogs. Even the breed standard says that dogs are generally between 35 and 65 lbs. That's a lot of variation. So who decides what a pit bull is when it's time to start taking people's dogs?

[A. Chimendez]

^Not to mention during an attack. It happens all the time; a muscular looking dogs bites somebody and says it was a "pit bull".
Yeah I posted that link too, but I'm sure sazi ignored it.

[insertnamehere]

a girl i work with came in one day with a band-aid over her hand saying a friends pit-bull attacked her.

i kept on her to tell me what happened, and turns out she was fucking with the dog that didn't know her while it was trying to eat.

the tinyness of the band-aid makes me doubt the breed, and really if you mess with a dog, especially one you don't know, while it is trying to eat, you're practically begging it to bite you. you might as well try to slap it a few times while you're at it.

i wonder how many people she told/will tell about the time a pit bull "attacked" her :rolleyes:

[Whatitis]

I love Pitbulls. The ones I have been around, owned by very good owners meaning they didn't beat on them or train them to be aggressive and took great care for them, were and are nothing but big lapdogs. My goddaughter is two years old and is growing up with a blue pit my friends got from a shelter as a puppy. They are insepperable and after about a year of haveing Bluebelle(dogs name) she has not been aggressive at all to anyone nor to Sabrina(goddaughter). I 100%ly think that it all has to do with how the dog is raised. Pits get a bad rap because of bad owners, peroid. I've seen it first hand and not just from Bluebelle. My friend has had 3 pits in his lifetime and another friend I know breeds them and they have been nothing but sweet dogs.

[HotAndWet]

So because some pitbulls are bad we should get rid of them all? Retarded.

[Randetica]

So because some pitbulls are bad we should get rid of them all? Retarded.

yeah just what im saying

guess some people like it dramatic..

[hellojello]

pitbulls DO NOT have a locking jaw. their jaws are built just like any other dogs.

I never said anything about pitbulls.

You're right though I did say something about terriers and after reading what you wrote and also looking it up, you're right I was under a misconception about this lock-jaw thing. Irrespective of that, the dog was still so vicious it needed to be put down.

Can you even imagine having to put down your own pet? My dad loved dogs as much as any other dog lover, he only did that because he knew there was absolutely no other option.

And just to reassure you I'm not claiming that all pitbulls should be banned or any breed actually, I just told an anecdote from my own experience and then said that it's something that perhaps is worth thinking about to spare everyone the pain (owners and victims).

[saz]

Yes they would. I've read stories (no i dont have links) where they are because of the following senario.

A pit bull is being walked and causes no harm but because of whatever negative stereotype and stigma goes along with it, neighbor x calls the cops and says they have an illegal dog and its taken away. Thats why its a COMPLETE BAN. The ban says you are not aloud to have ANY dog that fits on the breed specific legislation, period.
Not a dog with a bite record. Just anything thats considered a "pit bull"

I really feel like you havent read ANYTHING that I've posted and really I feel sorry for you that you really can't see it through the eyes of people who have owned, still own, and will continue to own these dogs because they are great companions.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about when we say BSL or complete ban. People will have their dogs taken away NO MATER IF THEY ATTACK ANYONE OR NOT.

The problem is known breeders of pit bulls that breed then SPECIFICALLY for fighting and anybody that buys then for that purpose. A crack down of that kind of activity is in order, not a full out making them illegal to own.

I'm also done with this thread, because now I realize you dont even understand what full bans in states and towns even constitutes. They are trying to make these dogs, ALL of them illegal.

There are just as much evidence that bull terriers are NOT wild killer animals.

if you don't have the links than sorry, i can't take you or your dubious claims seriously. this latest claim of yours is completely ridiculous, just like how you attempted to make that incredibly absurd claim about how the news media works. and no, that's not how bans work. bans involve outlawing the breeding of the dog and the importation of that specific breed of dog into that specific municipality, region, state, or province. i know this because that's how the ban works in ontario. and of course your pitbull lovers website is going to say nice things about pitbulls, just like a site about dachshunds or dalmations are going to state nice things about those dogs. like i've stated before, of course pitbulls are nice, friendly and loving dogs, but the bottom line is that they will eventually snap. they are killers. they kill people. and yes i do know what i'm talking about, the epidemic of pitbull attacks, in which they're viciously maiming and killing people has been continuing for a long time, and will continue until they are competely eradicated.

edit:

Pit bull shot by neighbor in attack on dog's owner
Chesterton Tribute

A pit bull attacking its Pine Township owner was shot to death on Monday by a neighbor with a .22 caliber rifle, the Porter County Sheriff’s Police said.

According to police, at around 5 p.m. Jonah Krueger, 23, of 1659 California Ave., had taken his pit bull outside when he saw it dash across the street to attack a neighbor’s dog. Krueger chased his pet to stop it, at which point the pit bull attacked him, police said.

Hearing the commotion, one neighbor attempted to rescue Krueger by hitting the dog over the head with a rock, but the pit bull refused to release its owner. Another neighbor hit the dog in the head with a flashlight, only to be briefly chased himself until he managed to jump a fence. The pit bull then resumed its mauling of Krueger.

Finally, a neighbor across the street retrieved his .22 caliber rifle and shot it fatally several times in the head.

Police said that Krueger was injured in the hand and foot and transported to an unspecified hospital, while Porter County Animal Control took possession of the pit bull’s body.

Krueger’s wife subsequently advised police that her own foot had been injured by the same dog in an earlier attack.

Posted 10/30/2008

link (http://www.chestertontribune.com/PoliceFireEmergency/103081%20pit_bull_shot_by_neighbor_in_att.htm)


On Pit Bull Awareness Day, Dog Bite Victims Group Releases Video of Attack Victims

DogsBite.org believes that victims of pit bull attacks deserve a powerful voice on a day many citizens are asked to "appreciate" pit bulls.


Seattle, WA, October 23, 2008 --(PR.com)-- DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, will release a video tribute to attack victims on October 25, a day that pit bull advocacy groups have coined, "Pit Bull Awareness Day." The video will appear on the DogsBite Blog page Saturday morning at the following location: (www.dogsbite.org/blog/).

The 5-minute video documents 127 pit bull attacks on humans that occurred across the United States in an 85-day period between July to September 2008. The video includes the name and age of each victim (when it was available) and the city and state of each attack. The video also highlights statistical data gathered from the attacks, including the 6 U.S. citizens killed by pit bulls during this time span.

Attack Victim Data
--158 people were injured
--63% of these injuries were severe
--10% entailed severed body parts
--6 people were killed

The video does not include attacks on animals. DogsBite.org grieves the loss of pet dogs, cats, horses, ponies, and livestock maimed or killed in unprovoked pit bull attacks.

Within the 85-day period, U.S. law enforcement officers and citizens shot 128 dangerous pit bulls, and 12 cities passed ordinances that regulate pit bulls as well. These cities included: Fultondale (AL), Manteca (CA), Sioux City (IA), Grosse Point Park (MI), Hazel Park (MI), Leflore County (MS), Greenwood (MS), Omaha (NE), Lakewood (OH), Newport (OH), Sturgis (SD) and Fort Hood Army Base in Texas.

The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, says, "In the past year, we've documented about 250 U.S. cities that regulate pit bulls. The only question is, why haven't more? Countless cities suffer from the pit bull problem: too many pit bulls and too many attacks. Progressive policymakers understand that the key to preventing these attacks is through regulation."

Information about each city -- including a web link to its pit bull ordinance -- can be found in the Legislating Dogs, State-By-State section of the DogsBite.org website. Information about many victims included in the video will be available along with the video release on October 25. To preview the video tribute to attack victims prior to this date, please visit the DogsBite.org YouTube page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8nVTctxUDE


link (http://www.pr.com/press-release/112385)

[A. Chimendez]

Dogs that are raised properly and are never aggressive don't just SNAP you moron.

Edit:

http://www.savagepacer.com/news/general-news/dangerous-dog-hearing-pits-safety-vs-family-pet-9035

According to city records, a woman from Savage was walking her dog and claimed two unidentified, “tan pit bulls” attacked her dog by “nipping her dog about the body” on the sidewalk on Glendale Road near 140th Street before running southwest across Glendale Road toward a large fenced yard.

Police became involved with the case after officers were flagged down by a motorist who assisted the victim following the incident, but neither 4 Paws nor police found any loose dogs.

The victim told police that she did not believe her dog was bitten, but the dog’s fur showed the dogs nipped at the victim’s dog, according to the police report. Police asked a neighbor if any pit bulls lived in the area, and they told police there were pit bulls located at 14077 Kipling Ave.

“It almost seemed like a witch hunt,” Husman said. “They (police) asked a neighbor who owns pit bulls and the neighbor said Joe has them. That made my dogs guilty right off the go. The description the woman gave didn’t even fit my dogs.

“What I can’t believe is that the city failed to recognize that there are more pit bulls in the area than mine,” Husman continued. “When I went down to 4 Paws there were four other pit bulls from the Savage area there. I think it was total B.S. that the officers tried to tell me they didn’t know of any others in the area. There are other dogs in the area that look just like mine.”

Although the skin was never broken on the victim’s dog, Husman had previous notice that Jake was “potentially dangerous” and thereafter endangered the safety of the victim and her dog.

Husman maintains his dogs “have never” gotten out of the padlocked and fenced-in yard. So he doesn’t believe his dogs “attacked” the victim, which was at the heart of his argument during the hearing.

It turned into a witch hunt and dogs that had nothing to do with the innocent were seized, labeled "dangerous" and were put down. Its bullshit.

And you're a hypocrite. You said "of course websites that love pit bulls will have all these facts" blah blah
OF COURSE WEBSITES THAT CONDEMN THEM WILL HAVE CONTRADICTING FACTS.

There is just as much evidence that the problem is law enforcement on illegal breeding isn't doing its job and aggresive dogs are being given and adopted to irresponsible owners.

Responsible breeders will be punished with BSL and you're still wrong about bans and how they work. Its just like ferrets. There are laws in certain states and cities that are BANS. If police is notified you have them they are TAKEN AWAY NO MATTER WHAT.

[Randetica]

I never said anything about pitbulls.

You're right though I did say something about terriers and after reading what you wrote and also looking it up, you're right I was under a misconception about this lock-jaw thing. Irrespective of that, the dog was still so vicious it needed to be put down.

Can you even imagine having to put down your own pet? My dad loved dogs as much as any other dog lover, he only did that because he knew there was absolutely no other option.

And just to reassure you I'm not claiming that all pitbulls should be banned or any breed actually, I just told an anecdote from my own experience and then said that it's something that perhaps is worth thinking about to spare everyone the pain (owners and victims).

lucky you live in the "right" country cause here killing your pets is against the laws and your dad would probably sit in jail already

[hpdrifter]

My bunnies have bitten me on more than one occasion. One of them bit my face once while I was trying to kiss the top of his head. BEWARE BUNNIES!

I'm so afraid

[hellojello]

lucky you live in the "right" country cause here killing your pets is against the laws and your dad would probably sit in jail already

It was 1982, not yesterday.

[Randetica]

which makes it sOooOo much better!

excused.

[saz]

Dogs that are raised properly and are never aggressive don't just SNAP you moron.

Edit:

http://www.savagepacer.com/news/general-news/dangerous-dog-hearing-pits-safety-vs-family-pet-9035



It turned into a witch hunt and dogs that had nothing to do with the innocent were seized, labeled "dangerous" and were put down. Its bullshit.

And you're a hypocrite. You said "of course websites that love pit bulls will have all these facts" blah blah
OF COURSE WEBSITES THAT CONDEMN THEM WILL HAVE CONTRADICTING FACTS.

There is just as much evidence that the problem is law enforcement on illegal breeding isn't doing its job and aggresive dogs are being given and adopted to irresponsible owners.

Responsible breeders will be punished with BSL and you're still wrong about bans and how they work. Its just like ferrets. There are laws in certain states and cities that are BANS. If police is notified you have them they are TAKEN AWAY NO MATTER WHAT.

oh, so now you're hurling insults. if you're not capable of carrying out a discussion over an internet message board with someone who disagrees with you in a civil fashion, if you're going to let your emotions take over you and resort to hurling insults, than perhaps it's time you take a break or walk away. and i'm sorry, but you simply cannot be taken seriously. i cannot take someone seriously who not only hurls insults and talks out of his ass about the news media, but also is now attempting to claim that only pitbulls who have been raised poorly are the problem. attempting to claim that you know how each and every pitbull has been raised by their owners is so outrageous it is downright laughable.

the news media are not condemning pitbulls, but rather simply reporting on all of the pitbull attacks, maimings, and killings. and, dogbites.org are simply reporting the statistics on pitbull attacks, that in an 85 day period: 158 people were injured, with 63% of these injuries being severe, with 10% entailing severed body parts, and six people were killed.

[A. Chimendez]

Responsible breeders will be punished with BSL and you're still wrong about bans and how they work. Its just like ferrets. There are laws in certain states and cities that are BANS. If police is notified you have them they are TAKEN AWAY NO MATTER WHAT.


Here. Bottom line, sans insults.
Sorry my facts can't be taken seriously because you refuse to see the other side of the issue.

[saz]

i'm well aware that there are very responsible breeders out there, but the bottom line is that the dog or breed itself - pit bulls - are the problem. they attack and kill people. they will never stop until there are very strong regulations and bans in place.

and yes, if you live in a municipality, region, state or province, and you import a pit bull into that municipality, region, state or province, where it is illegal to have a pit bull, after a ban has been implemented, than rightfully so they should be taken away. however, if a ban has been implemented, and you currently own a pit bull, it won't be taken away, they will be determined to be "grandfathered". for example, ontario's pitbull ban became effective on august 29, 2005: Pit Bulls owned prior to August 29, 2005 are grandfathered in. All grandfathered Pit Bulls of over 36 weeks of age are required to be sterilized immediately. Grandfathered Pit Bulls must be muzzled and leashed on a leash of less than 1.8 metres while in public. Sale of non-grandfathered Pit Bulls to residents of Ontario is illegal.

Pit Bulls

• The amendments to DOLA will prohibit individuals from owning, breeding, transferring, importing or abandoning pit bulls. Training a pit bull to fight or allowing a pit bull to stray are also prohibited.

• There are exceptions to the restrictions on ownership, transfer and importing in the case of "grandfathered" pit bulls.

"Grandfathered" or Restricted Pit Bulls

• Individuals who already own pit bulls will be able to keep them, provided they comply with requirements set out in the amendments and the regulations.

• Pit bulls kept legally after the ban will be known as "grandfathered" or restricted pit bulls.

• In order for a pit bull to qualify as a "grandfathered" or restricted pit bull, it must be:
• Owned by an Ontario resident on August 29, 2005, or
• Born in Ontario within 90 days after August 29, 2005.

Grandfathered/Restricted Pit Bulls — Owners' Responsibilities

• Pit bull owners are required to ensure their pit bulls are in compliance with the amendments and regulations.

• The full text of the regulations can be found on the e-laws (http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/) website. The text below summarizes certain key elements of the regulations and is not authoritative.

• By October 28, 2005, pit bull owners will have to have their pit bulls leashed and muzzled in public and comply with sterilization requirements.

• The regulations stipulate that restricted pit bulls be muzzled and leashed unless the dogs are on their owners' enclosed property or on enclosed property occupied by another person who consents to the pit bull being without a muzzle or leash.

• Among other specific requirements, a leash may be a maximum of 1.8 metres long.

• Muzzles should be humane, but strong enough and well-fitted enough to prevent the pit bull from biting, without interfering with the breathing, panting, or vision of the pit bull or with the pit bull's ability to drink.

• All pit bulls must be sterilized by October 28, 2005.

• If this would require a pit bull to be sterilized before it reaches 36-weeks of age, the owner may wait until the dog reaches that age to have it sterilized.

• There are limited exemptions to the sterilization requirement if, in the written opinion of a veterinarian, a pit bull is physically unfit to be anaesthetized because of old age or infirmity. See the regulations for further details.

ministry of the attorney general, government of ontario (http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/dola-pubsfty/dola-pubsfty.asp#TOC_03)

[Randetica]

i would understand if 95% of the bit pulls were killer machines that actually kill so the ban made sense


dont know about other countries but here those breeds have to go through some tests to see if they are good natured if yes then you can keep it

[BangkokB]

*scroll to end
Hey, It's a dog: What's the worst that could happen? And I hear dogs are good around children.

Now pardon me while I go water the lawn.

[Kid Presentable]

a pitbull, on a walk with its owners, repeatedly attacked a horse. A HORSE. what dog repeatedly tries to attack a horse? oh yeah, that's right, pitbulls do, because they are FUCKED UP DOGS.

/thread

Gotta say man, my family's long haired miniature dachshund used to always come along with us when we visited my godparent's farm. He used to chase the horses all the time. True story.

But yeah I'm not keen on Pitbulls at all. I'd be glad to see the breed completely eradicated.

[BangkokB]

Gotta say man, my family's long haired miniature dachshund used to always come along with us when we visited my godparent's farm. He used to chase the horses all the time. True story.

But yeah I'm not keen on Pitbulls at all. I'd be glad to see the breed completely eradicated.

The last dog I has was a dachshund. Short haired but they have a Napoleon complex to the point that it's unhealthy. If it wasn't for the kind folks like you and me that take them in then they'd be the ones "eradicated"

[Kid Presentable]

The last dog I has was a dachshund. Short haired but they have a Napoleon complex to the point that it's unhealthy. If it wasn't for the kind folks like you and me that take them in then they'd be the ones "eradicated"

He used to love chasing horses. They humoured him, too. They'd jog away, not like scared but more like "get on with it, then".

[BangkokB]

Mine liked challenging the neighborhoods biggest dogs. Started every fight~ Didn't win a one. Had the heart of a tiger but the danger element of a senile old man starting a fight at an inner city Boxing Gym

[russhie]

Just in regards to the article where the pitbull owner claimed his dogs never got out/attacked anyone, of course people will say that - here, your dog gets taken and euthanised if it attacks other things.

The man whose dog attacked my first dog said the same things, and when I described his dog as "brown" he claimed I was wrong, the animal was brindle, so it can't possibly have been his dog. Apparently, his dogs "never got out" and "never hurt anyone" either.

Not saying the person in the article was lying, but that's what people say when authorities are looking for a dangerous dog and your pet is targeted.

[A. Chimendez]

*Pit bull is NOT a breed. It's a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics often known by the public as "pit bulls".
Remember that little is known about the background of rescue dogs. Some may be gamebred APBTs (from fighting lines), some may be registered show dogs, some may be AmStaffs, some may look like APBTs but might be mixed with other breeds, etc. Since there is no way to know for sure unless you have the pedigree of the dog, we recommend following the guidelines offered by PBRC for any pit bull type dog. See PBRC's FAQ (http://www.pbrc.net/faq.html) for more information.
Basic Breed Overview
Pit bulls are wonderful animals that deserve a chance to have a good life like any other dog. However, it's important to remember that pit bulls are not just any other dog - They are a little more of everything a dog can be.
Pit bulls have superior physical and mental characteristics that make them excellent partners for responsible, active, and caring owners. On the other hand, these same outstanding qualities can make them a little difficult to handle for people who don't have a lot of experience with dog ownership, or for those who don't understand the breed very well. Luckily, pit bulls are very responsive to training and eager to please. It is therefore strongly recommended to take them to obedience classes as soon as they are up to date with their shots. (Pit bulls are prone to parvovirus, so it is important that they receive all their vaccinations before coming into contact with other dogs or going places that other dogs frequent.) A well behaved and obedient pit bull will be a great ambassador for the breed and help fight prejudice and misconception.
Pit bulls are very adaptable and will even do well in urban living provided they have enough exercise or other positive outlets for their energy. Many pit bulls are easygoing couch-potatoes but can also be somewhat rambunctious until they mature. Maturity can come pretty late with this breed (2 to 3 years old in some cases). Pit bulls remain playful all their life and have a great sense of humor. Real clowns at heart, these dogs will make you laugh like no other.
Pit bulls are strong, energetic, agile, and powerful dogs. They are also very resourceful and driven. Determination is one of their most notable traits. Whatever they set out to do, they put their heart and soul into it...Whether it is escaping an inadequately fenced yard to go explore the neighborhood, destroying your new couch when left home alone, or climbing into your lap to shower you with kisses! They just don't give up easily.
Stahlkuppe (1995) writes, "The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT), or the AmStaff, is certainly not the right pet for everyone. Being a powerful dog, it will require sufficient and adequate control. Some prospective elderly owners or children, will not be able to supply that control... A first-time dog owner, in the minds of many experienced dog breeders, should not buy an APBT or an AmStaff! An insecure person who wants only an aggressive dog to bolster some personal human inadequacy should never become an owner of one of these dogs. An uncaring or negligent person should not buy an AmStaff or an APBT (or any other dog for that matter)."
Another very important characteristic of pit bull dogs is their amazing love of people. Many people are surprised by the loving personality of these dogs the first time they meet one. Pit bull dogs are indeed remarkably affectionate and truly enjoy human attention. They are wonderful cuddlers, and nothing beats a belly rub. In fact, most pit bulls think they are lap dogs!
Dunbar (1999) writes: "Today, a properly bred pit bull is so exuberantly happy upon meeting her owner's friends (or even friendly strangers) that new owners sometimes worry that their dog is too sweet and fun-loving to protect their home and family... A multi-talented companion, the well-trained pit bull is suited for a variety of exciting activities. He excels at obedience, agility and weight-pulling competitions, events which showcase intelligence, trainability and strength. In addition, the pit bull's pleasant nature makes him an ideal candidate for therapy work with people."
Human aggression, severe shyness, and instability are not traits typically found and accepted in the APBT breed. Dogs with these traits are not good representatives of the breed and should not be placed into adoptive homes.
Like any other breed, pit bulls can develop behavior problems if poorly bred, mishandled, abused, unsocialized, etc., that could result in inappropriate aggression. Any large, strong, and powerful dog that attacks can do a lot of damage. This is why temperament evaluation is important when dealing with dogs of certain size and potential.
Unlike the myth propagated by the media however, human aggression is NOT a problem specific to pit bulls. In fact, pit bulls tend to do better than average in temperament tests.
The American Temperament Test Society provides temperament testing around the country for dog breeds, and gives a passing score for the entire breed based on the percentage of passed over failed within total number of the particular breed tested. As of December 2003, the American Pit Bull Terrier has a current passing rate of 83.9%, and the American Staffordshire Terrier passes at 83.2%. In comparison, The Golden Retriever passing rate is 83.2%.
Pit bull type dogs are wonderful, loving, and very loyal companions. It is important however, to understand the breed's nature, to provide a structured environment, and to establish a positive leadership role. In order to do so, pit bull owners must understand the original purpose of the breed, and respect its limits and potential.
The Breed's Original Purpose
Humans have created specialized dogs through emphasizing desired traits and eliminating unwanted ones. It is no different with the pit bull type dogs. The American Pit Bull Terrier has been "selectively" bred for hundreds of years to fight other dogs. This is the sad "work" these dogs were created for. In the same way that Labradors were bred to retrieve birds, APBTs were bred to face other dogs in mortal combat. Even in dogs that are not recently bred from fighting lines, the urge to fight can arise at any time. Not to strongly emphasize this fact would be negligent.
That said, we can't blame specialized breeds for behaving as they were bred to. Specific traits were bred into the dogs and are now part of the breed's character. It's like the digging instinct of many Terriers, the herding behavior in Shelties, the compulsion to run in Greyhounds, etc. Your Pointer may have never spent a day on a real hunt, but he may still point and flush birds as his ancestors did.
It's a mistake to think that the fighting gene can be trained or loved out of a dog, or that early socialization will guarantee your pit bull will always get along with other animals. There are precautions to take when owning pit bulls, especially in a multiple-dog environment. Unfortunately these precautions are often viewed as acceptance for the sport of pit-fighting when nothing could be further from the truth. Knowing how to avoid a fight, as well as how to break it up if, despite all efforts one strikes, is proof of smart and responsible pit bull ownership.
Never trust a pit bull not to fight...
It is not a hate of other dogs that causes pit bulls to fight, but rather an "urge" to do so that has been bred into the dogs for many generations. Pit bulls may fight over hierarchic status, but external stimulus or excitement can also trigger a fight. Remember that any canine can fight, but pit bulls were bred specifically for their drive, intensity, and determination to win.
Pit bull owners must be aware of the remarkable fighting abilities these dogs posses and always keep in mind that pit bulls have the potential to inflict serious injury to other animals. A pit bull may not even be the one starting a conflict, but he has the genetics to finish it. Remember that pit bulls are almost always blamed no matter who initiated the hostilities, and often end up paying the price...as does the owner!
That said, some pit bulls get along great with other pets and may live happily with other dogs without incident. We just can't assume that this is true for all of them, or take for granted that pit bulls getting along with other pets today will do so tomorrow. Pit bull owners must have common sense and make sure they don't set their dogs up for failure by putting them in inappropriate situations.
Every negative incident involving a pit bull adds to their reputation and jeopardizes our right to own these great dogs. Keep your pit bull out of trouble!
Please remember that animal-aggression and people-aggression are two distinct traits and should never be confused. Unless they have been very poorly bred and/or specifically "trained" to attack humans (often by undesirable individuals through abusive methods), pit bulls are, by nature, very good with people. They are, in fact, one of the most loving, loyal, friendly and dedicated companions one can have.
PBRC hopes this article will help people understand why so many of us are deeply dedicated to these wonderful dogs. Pit bull dogs need more help, compassion and understating than many other breed, but they will pay you back with more love and loyalty than you ever thought possible.


http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html

[A. Chimendez]

Cincinnati passed an ordinance, and now it is illegal for us to attend obedience classes or to do our therapy work. On September 8, 1983, an 11-year-old boy was killed by a dog identified as “the family pit bull.” The headline “Pit bull kills child” covered the front page of every local newspaper. The truth was buried on a back page a few days later — the boy's father had purchased a male pit bull on the street to breed to the female he kept in the back yard. The male had been stolen and beaten to turn him into a fighting dog; when the owner advertised a reward, the thief sold the dog for $50. The father brought the dog home and put him in the back yard; the boy discovered the dogs in the act of breeding and began to hit them with a stick. The male attacked and killed the boy.
On September 24, an unlicensed, unvaccinated, unrestrained “pit bull” bit a child riding a bicycle, and three more loose dog bite incidents followed. The headlines read “pit bull”; an obscure sentence on a back page revealed that the three offending dogs were mixed breeds.
Soon any biting dog was labeled “pit bull.” Most Cincinnatians had never seen a “pit bull,” but they were sure the dogs weight 500 pounds, had blood in their eyes, and walked around with teeth bared looking for a throat to bite. People used to ignore my little 35-pound AmStaff when I walked her; suddenly I was treated as if I was pointing a loaded gun.
On September 28, Cincinnati City Council seemed intent on passing an ordinance to solve the city's “pit bull problem,” but concerned dog owners got it postponed.
At the time, Cincinnati had no leash law. However it did have a dangerous dog ordinance that defined as vicious “any dog who attacks or chases a person or domestic animal.” This law would have adequately addressed the problems, but no one was cited.
On October 11, city council presented an ordinance that specified American Staffordshire Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers or their mixes as “pit bulls,” and labeled them as innately vicious. In the discussion that followed, council members toyed with including other breeds on the list. German Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers, and Rhodesian Ridgebacks (“any breed that attacks lion must be vicious”) were mentioned, but council decided to limit the law to AmStaffs and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.
Cincinnati Kennel Club, Clermont County Kennel Club, Queen City Dog Training Club pooled their resources and hired a lawyer. Council was bombarded with letters, facts, and statistics. The ordinance required identification of the breed by a veterinarian; three veterinarians testified that they were not qualified to determine or verify a dog's breed.
The Board of Health provided council with a list of all dog bites in Cincinnati for 10 months in 1982-83. There were 917 reported dog bites: 143 (16 percent) were mixed breeds and 112 (12 percent) were German Shepherds; 37 (less than one percent) were “pit bulls.” From 1975-1980, there were 74 dog-related deaths in the country; none were attributed to “pit bulls.”
The ordinance was postponed again until Dr. I. Lehr Brisbin, a breeder and trainer of AmStaffs and an animal behavior expert, could fly in to testify. He explained to council that an entire breed is not vicious by nature, and individual dogs regardless of breed can be vicious. Witnesses also cited the number of locally-owned “pit bulls” involved in obedience and therapy work.
On November 1, the city solicitor told the council law committee that he thought a law naming specific breeds of dogs may be unconstitutional.
Then a woman holding a three-year-old boy approached the committee. She pulled a bandage from the boy's face to reveal that he had lost an eye.
“A pit bull did this to my son,” she said.
The ordinance was forwarded to city council for passage a few days before the election. In January 1994, council introduced a law to ban the dogs from the city altogether. This law is patterned after the vicious dog ordinance; it targets AmStaffs and Staffordshire Bull Terriers and their mixes as “pit bulls” but does not mention a generic pit bull dog or pit bull terrier. Thus owners of registered dogs are guilty even if their dogs never cause a problem and owners of pit bull types are innocent whether they act responsibly or not.
The law was challenged in court but was declared constitutional; as a result, several other area communities now have “pit bull” bans that target these breeds.
Since this ordinance was passed, the State of Ohio has decided that dog wardens can identify the dogs, which eliminates the need for veterinarians to do so.


http://www.canismajor.com/dog/bancvg.html

[A. Chimendez]

Ohio State Representative Tyrone Yates has proposed a bill today that would prohibit the ownership of pit bulls in the state of Ohio. The bill requires all owners to surrender their "pit bulls" within 90 days of the effective date of the proposed law. The bill is unequivocal that the dog warden "shall" euthanize all pit bulls within 10 days of their surrender.
http://www.animallawcoalition.com/breed-bans/article/524

Lawmakers across America try to put legislation like this up every year. Luckily in this case, the part about all pits being dangerous was removed once more dog temperament experts testified.

Congrats on living in Canada. Once again your lawmakers prove to be more level headed then American representatives.
The problem is still not the breed though.

[A. Chimendez]

OH, and you're links from dogsbite.org have been completely discredited.

The controversy over regulating pit bulls erupted in Seattle again with the shooting of two dogs allegedly found attacking an elderly woman. The dogs were reported to be pit bulls. The woman is recovering. A new organization, Dogsbite.org, formed after its founder, Colleen Lynne, was attacked allegedly by a pit bull, has recommended the city of Seattle consider stricter licensing, sterilization and micro-chipping of pit bulls and require owners of these dogs to buy liability insurance policies.
The problem with the regulations that target only pit bulls is that all dogs can bite; they don't bite based on their breed. So, targeting only one breed or group of breed will not make communities safer. Also, it is difficult to identify "pit bulls" and expensive to enforce regulations like this even if it is possible to do so. Insurance requirements typically mean the death of the dog. The insurance is usually unavailable or too expensive and owners simply surrender their dogs.
What to do?
Seattle animal control agrees the problem is not the breed; it's the owners. Another Seattle-based organization, Families Against Breed Bans, proposes banning felons from owning pit bulls and proposes a law that would basically forgive one attack depending on the severity. If there is any other attack within a ten year period, from any other pet in that household, all pets would be removed from the home and the individual involved would pay a $5,000 fine and could not own a pet for ten years. Neighboring Pierce County has a similar ordinance.
Here are some other ideas:
Tell Seattle's Mayor Greg Nickels (http://www.seattle.gov/mayor/citizen_response.htm) and city council members (email addresses are under their photos) (http://www.seattle.gov/council/councilcontact.htm) that the problem is not the breed but the owner, and the city should not ban or regulate breeds but instead, address the reasons dogs bite

Colleen Lynne is a webdesigner, not an expert in dog temperament or behavior.. She got attacked by what she said was a pit bull, made a website and was thankfully ignored by Seattle legislators and REAL dog experts.
All of a sudden news outlets are interviewing Lynne as an experts but she had no credentials or any education on dog behavior.

[Videodrome]

My bunnies have bitten me on more than one occasion. One of them bit my face once while I was trying to kiss the top of his head. BEWARE BUNNIES!

I'm so afraid

fuck, we need to raise awareness on this issue too. BAN BUNNIES!

[A. Chimendez]

http://www.cottontails-rescue.org.uk/aggressive_rabbits.asp

Wow. We need to get bunny BSL in every state right away.

Jokes of course. Nobody has been mauled by a rabbit.

[Randetica]

haha

my bunny only bit me twice and that was at her baby times, afterwards i smacked her ass some which taught her not to do it again and it worked

my bunny tried to lick me to death though, just like on that site

[A. Chimendez]

OH yeah, bunny licking to death is a huge epidemic also. The numbers are staggering. :p

In anycase, this is the last thing I'll post on the subject and be on my marry.

Study conducted by US Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=10997153&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
OBJECTIVE: To summarize breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks during a 20-year period and to assess policy implications. ANIMALS: Dogs for which breed was reported involved in attacks on humans between 1979 and 1998 that resulted in human dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF). PROCEDURE: Data for human DBRF identified previously for the period of 1979 through 1996 were combined with human DBRF newly identified for 1997 and 1998. Human DBRF were identified by searching news accounts and by use of The Humane Society of the United States' registry databank. RESULTS: During 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of these deaths. Of 227 reports with relevant data, 55 (24%) human deaths involved unrestrained dogs off their owners' property, 133 (58%) involved unrestrained dogs on their owners' property, 38 (17%) involved restrained dogs on their owners' property, and 1 (< 1%) involved a restrained dog off its owner's property. CONCLUSIONS: Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog's breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and, therefore, should not be the primary factor driving public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and hold promise for prevention of dog bites.

[saz]

Colleen Lynne is a webdesigner, not an expert in dog temperament or behavior.. She got attacked by what she said was a pit bull, made a website and was thankfully ignored by Seattle legislators and REAL dog experts.
All of a sudden news outlets are interviewing Lynne as an experts but she had no credentials or any education on dog behavior.

no, she's not an expert in dog temperament nor behaviour, but what she was doing was repeating current statistics on pitbull attacks and killings.

anyways, let's just continue to make jokes and roll our eyes regarding people who have been viciously attacked and killed.

[Randetica]

pitbulls are the new terrorists

[insertnamehere]

While we're making sweeping generalizations about populations based on statistics, you know between 1976 and 2005, african americans committed over 52 percent of the nation’s homicides. Clearly black people must be inherently vicious.

You know pit bulls and every other breed of dog are all members of the same species. They come in different shape, sizes and colors but they're all dogs and all have the potential to be equally awesome/evil.




*prepares for someone to totally miss the point and call me racist*

[Randetica]

today some pitbull like dog came up to me and wiggled with his tail, gave me kisses and it got me an inner lol thinking of this thread

people with real dog knowledge know that those are one of the most kind breeds but there are also black sheeps..

[saz]

While we're making sweeping generalizations about populations based on statistics, you know between 1976 and 2005, african americans committed over 52 percent of the nation’s homicides. Clearly black people must be inherently vicious.

You know pit bulls and every other breed of dog are all members of the same species. They come in different shape, sizes and colors but they're all dogs and all have the potential to be equally awesome/evil.




*prepares for someone to totally miss the point and call me racist*

that is probably the stupidest and most ridiculous comparison, which doesn't even make any sense whatsoever.

sure, pitbulls are dogs just like all other dogs. but pitbull attacks are an epidemic, and i'm sick and tired of reading and hearing about family pets, people and children getting attacked and killed by them.

[A. Chimendez]

That's your argument? That the comparison is stupid?

Oh, my god your right! That comparison makes no sense insertnamehere.

Case closed.(y)

[little j]

wow... who knew this would turn into a 4 page thread...

seems that the pitbull debate will continue.

i will say that i know a lot of bullys... i have never met one that doesn't love people.

i have met plenty that dont like other dogs or animals (my own dog is very selective in his doggy friends) but thats ok with me.

its ridiculous to think that an entire breedtype needs to be 'eradicated'. what about staffordshire terriers? or bull terriers? they are also considered "bully breeds" what about french bulldogs or boxers? some people consider them bully breeds... my dog has never attacked a person, why should he be punished?

BSL sucks... in some states/cities in the US (and THANK GOD VA isn't one of them yet) you cant even travel with a bully breed without fear of having him taken away and killed. not all states have grandfather clauses.

he's obviously very fierce huh?
http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk66/little_j_and_ace/?action=view&current=CIMG3187.flv

[saz]

well, there isn't an epidemic of people being attacked and killed by staffordshire terriers, bull terriers, french bulldogs, nor boxers.

[little j]

what you dont understand is that those dogs and others get mislabled as pitbulls in the media all the time.

[saz]

no they don't, that's rubbish. especially considering when the police, animal control or the humane society are involved.

regardless, both sides have made their cases in this thread and i'm content to let it die.

[little j]

it can die... but when you have a spare second see how well you do here:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

I didn't even get it right... which shows that even people that 'know' pitbulls cant alway identify them.

[A. Chimendez]

no they don't, that's rubbish. especially considering when the police, animal control or the humane society are involved.



Wow. I've never read anything more wrong. I've posted many links that show that they when people say "pit bulls" they mean exactly all those dogs. Way to miss the point.

Sure this thread can die, I'm all for it actually. I'm sick of not being heard anyways. Anything I posted was obviously a complete waste of my time.

[Randetica]

pitbulls (y) sazis (n)

there i said it all


case so closed.

[saz]

so much for this dying. these people are trained professionals. sorry, but i'm not buying what your pitbull propaganda sites are attempting to sell. these people are trained professionals:

Man recovering from pit bull attack

Story Created: Nov 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM PST
Story Updated: Nov 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM PST

By Eyewitness News Staff

Kern County sheriff's deputies say an east Bakersfield man was attacked by a pit bull Saturday afternoon while trying to stop the dog from attacking his basset hound.

Sheriff's sergeant Mark Brown says the man was bitten on the left side of his face and was taken to a hospital with a big cut and a puncture wound. The man's dog was taken to a vet with large cuts and puncture wounds to it's throat, neck, face and ears. Although the dog was badly hurt, Brown says the two deputies who handled the case believe it will survive.

Neighbors of the man in the 1100 block of Blossom Street say this marks the second attack by the pit bull in two weeks. Sergeant Brown says the previous victim was also protecting his dog.

The pit bull's owner was cited for not having the animal properly tagged and for not having it on a leash. The dog was then seized by animal control officers. It will be quarantined for 10 days according to state law to make sure it doesn't have rabies.

link (http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/33720564.html)



Autopsy: Pit bull attack killed man

Chester Jordan was alive when he was attacked by pit bulls on Friday in the basement where he lived.

By KELLY DAY • • November 2, 2008

MUNCIE -- An autopsy has shown that 62-year-old Chester R. Jordan was alive when he was attacked and killed by three pit bulls Friday.

Contingent upon toxicology reports, which could take several days to weeks to receive, Jordan died from his wounds and loss of blood. There were bites on Jordan's stomach, chest, arms, legs and facial area, with the majority and most severe on his arms and legs.

Jordan, who suffered from dementia, was found Friday at around 3:20 p.m. in the basement at 1109 W. Tilmor Drive, where he had been living with his daughter, Aretha. He was discovered by his daughter's boyfriend, DeWayne Benning, when he came home from work.

The family lived at the house with the three pit bulls and six new puppies, according to police.

The basement where Jordan stayed was described as damp and bare, furnished only with a bed, chair and television, said by Lt. Al Williams of the Muncie Police Department. The basement also contained a fenced-in area for the dogs. The puppies were in a cage in the garage.

"We're going to make sure he wasn't neglected," Williams said. "The concern we have are the living conditions."

The family of the victim told police that they had never had any problems with the dogs biting, but Delaware County Coroner Jim Clevenger told The Star Press on Friday that there were old bite marks on the victim's body. Neighbors have also given conflicting reports from the family, Williams said.

The police have not found evidence that Jordan provoked dogs and they did not believe the dogs had been trained to fight.

The dogs were taken Friday to the Muncie Animal Shelter, where they were to be observed for 10 days.

"I would expect sometime they will be put down," Williams said.

link (http://www.thestarpress.com/article/20081102/NEWS01/811020371)



Judge reserves ruling in pit bull attack case

One man's leg amputated after mauling: image of victim (http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=A9&Date=20081030&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=810300336&Ref=V1&Profile=1006)

BY KEYONNA SUMMERS • FLORIDA TODAY • October 30, 2008

A Brevard County judge said he wants to take time to review all factors before ruling on the "very tragic" case of a pit bull attack, in which the victim's leg had to be amputated.

"This is an 'everyone loses' situation," Judge A.B. Majeed said Wednesday. "There are a lot of factors to be considered . . . and the last thing I want to do is make a hasty ruling."

Nearly a dozen people -- including animal control and Palm Bay police officers and two neighbors who helped stop the mauling -- testified Wednesday during the trial of dog owner Anthony Phillips, 25, of Palm Bay.

Phillips said he shouldn't have to pay nearly $600 in fines for allegedly violating county ordinances regulating attacks and the proper securing of animals because his cousin, Roger Lindee, 41, of Palm Bay, brought the Sept. 5 attack on himself by barging into his home uninvited.

Phillips pleaded guilty to not vaccinating his 4-year-old pit bull, Kilo.

But Lindee said he never physically stepped into the home after finishing work on a car outside Phillips' home.

The 75-pound dog grabbed him by the leg and dragged him into the foyer after he knocked on the door, then opened it slightly to call out Phillips' name, he said.

Kilo was fatally shot, police said, after the dog charged at officers who responded to calls for help.

Phillips disputes that his two other pit bulls participated in the mauling.

Animal Services representatives said Phillips and his girlfriend, Kamesha Bullock, tried to hide those dogs' alleged role in the attack, and that both dogs, which were not vaccinated, died at a county animal shelter this month from illnesses..

Majeed did not say when he expected to render his ruling.

link (http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081030/NEWS01/810300336/1006/NEWS01)


Dog attack victim working to recover

Web Posted: 11/03/2008 12:00 CST

By David Saleh Rauf - Express-News

image of victim (http://media.mysanantonio.com/images/215*215/DOG-ATTACK-victim.jpg)

It's been a little more than two months since Denise Rocha nearly died in a pit bull attack that left a West Side street soaked with blood and littered with two dead dogs.

After 35 days at Brooke Army Medical Center and a dozen procedures, including a failed attempt to replace a shredded bicep with a back muscle, Rocha is just now starting to heal physically and mentally.

But the damage to her right arm, which remains mangled and mostly paralyzed, and the scars that cover almost half her body are grim reminders of the mauling and the potential consequences owners face if their dogs seriously injure or kill someone.

Under a new state law aimed at cracking down on dogs that attack, owners can be charged with a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison for an unprovoked attack such as the one authorities say Rocha suffered. A fatal dog attack can land an owner up to 20 years in prison.

Last month, prosecutors in North Texas used the statute to secure seven-year sentences for a couple whose pit bulls fatally mauled a 7-year-old girl, the first convictions under the new law. Bandera County prosecutors announced one week later that they would seek a felony charge against the owner of three Rottweilers that mauled a 69-year-old woman.

In San Antonio, the owners of the two pit bulls that mauled Rocha are also facing criminal charges under the statute as Bexar County prosecutors are readying to present the case to a grand jury this month

“There's enough in the file to tell us these dogs really harmed and injured a victim, and the person responsible should have an investigation done,” said Bill Blagg, chief of intake and presentments at the Bexar County district attorney's office.

The owners of the dogs that attacked Rocha, whose names are not being released by the San Antonio Express-News because they have not been charged with a crime, would not comment.

The new state statute — named Lillian's Law after 76-year-old Lillian Stiles, who was fatally mauled in her yard in Milam County in 2005 by a pack of pit bull-Rottweiler mixes — was passed last year by the Legislature and eliminates the “one bite free” law that prevented owners from being penalized unless their dog had attacked someone previously.

Since the statute was enacted 14 months ago, Bexar County prosecutors have secured indictments against at least two other people in unrelated dog attacks. Both are awaiting trial, according to court records.

If a grand jury decides to indict the owners of the dogs that attacked Rocha, it would mark the third time prosecutors in Bexar County have turned to the new law since legislators adopted stiffer penalties for owners of dangerous dogs.

“I have to live with this for the rest of my life,” said Rocha, 41. “Lillian's Law is going to help.”

‘Like I was a feeding frenzy'

The last Thursday of August is a day engrained in Rocha's memory. Home from work early, she took her three poodles out for a walk around the neighborhood, a routine she had been doing for the past year.

But on this day, things were different. Walking in the 2200 block of South Brazos Street, she passed a run-down house where the two pit bulls lived and stayed in the yard. It wasn't until she had walked past the house that a brown female pit bull wandered off the property through a gate and into the street, latching on to Rocha's 5-year-old poodle, Annie, authorities say.

Rocha reached down to grab the pit bull's neck to stop the attack when “out of nowhere the other dog just came and grabbed on to me.”

By then, that black-and-white male pit bull from the same yard had already taken hold of Rocha's left arm, tugging and tearing at her flesh. Both dogs lunged at her repeatedly in an estimated five-minute attack that eventually claimed the life of Rocha's poodle and had her fighting to save her own. The black-and-white dog also clamped down on her right bicep, all but destroying the muscle.

“It was like I was a feeding frenzy,” she said. “I just saw blood squirting out and I thought ‘Oh my God, I'm going to die here in the street.'”

At one point during the attack, she screamed “like a banshee” for help. Neighbors responded with rocks, sticks, a machete and a BB gun to try and pry the dogs from Rocha's body.

“He just stood up and looked at me like he wanted to attack me,” said Anthony Ortiz of his attempt to help by swinging a machete into the back of the black-and-white pit bull until he felt “the blade hit the bone.”

Eventually, a BB gun pellet to the throat sent the brown pit bull scampering to the backyard, where it was later picked up and euthanized by Animal Control Services.

The black-and-white pit bull continued attacking Rocha until it was hit in the eye by a shot from the pellet gun.

Covered in blood and lunging at bystanders in the street, the dog was shot and killed by a responding police officer. It walked about a block before collapsing in the middle of the street.

“If nobody would have intervened ... I don't think I would have survived,” Rocha said. “I hope awareness comes out of this that owners of aggressive or vicious types of dogs know the laws.”

link (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/33732389.html)

[Randetica]

theres still way more humans that kill dogs, ban them

and i dont believe that pitbulls would attack humans by nature, it's all made by idiotic breeders

[insertnamehere]

As far as animal control officers being trained professionals, I've spend a good amount of time looking though petfinder at various animal shelters and humane societies (i like to look at doggies shutup) and I swear they sometimes just make shit up.

Vets have even testified that you cant tell with a mix. Have you even looked at that link that we've been posting over and over again? Which one did you pick out?

[A. Chimendez]

Yep, police officers are trained to identify dog breeds.

[A. Chimendez]

well, there isn't an epidemic of people being attacked and killed by staffordshire terriers, bull terriers, french bulldogs, nor boxers.


Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog) in the Molosser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molosser) family that were historically used for dog fighting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting). The breeds most often placed in this category are the American Pit Bull Terrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier), American Staffordshire Terrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Staffordshire_Terrier), and Staffordshire Bull Terrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffordshire_Bull_Terrier).


Ohio Revised Code Section 955.11 (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/955) (A)(4)(a)(iii) defines a "breed of dog commonly known as a pit bull" as a vicious dog. For enforcement purposes, the term "a breed of dog commonly known as a pit bull" refers to any of the following:
An American Pit Bull Terrier
A Staffordshire Bull Terrier
An American Staffordshire Terrier
An American Bulldog
Any other pure bred or mixed breed dog whose appearance and physical characteristics is predominately those of any of the dogs listed above, or is a combination of any of the dogs listed above.

http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/commissioners/ancl/programs/enforce_pitbull.cfm

You don't even know what dogs you are even talking about. The media and most BSL incorrectly label all these dogs as "pit bulls" when there is only one American Pit Bull Terrier breed.

There is no "pit bull epidemic". There are too many dogs that fall under this vague umbrella term used by misinformed individuals and media outlets.

[saz]

keep dreaming

[A. Chimendez]

LOL.

Thanks for a good laugh.
I hope one day you realize that "pit bull" isn't a breed of dog.


Bye thread.

[Randetica]

Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

i think that was that one who came up to me and tried to lick me to death aswell

[Randetica]

You don't even know what dogs you are even talking about. The media and most BSL incorrectly label all these dogs as "pit bulls" when there is only one American Pit Bull Terrier breed.

There is no "pit bull epidemic". There are too many dogs that fall under this vague umbrella term used by misinformed individuals and media outlets.

way true (y)