Now that all the parades and parties are over...

[RobMoney$]

...and it's clear that most of you voted for Obama primarily because of his race, I just figured you'd appreciate knowing that he's actually not the first President to be part black.
There's actually been FIVE former US Presidents with African ancesteorory (and no, none of them were named Clinton either).

http://www.diversityinc.com/public/3085.cfm


.......The first president with African ancestry was Jefferson, who served two terms between 1801 and 1809. Jefferson was described as the "son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father," as stated in Vaughn's findings. Jefferson also was said to have destroyed all documentation attached to his mother, even going to extremes to seize letters written by his mother to other people.



President Andrew Jackson, the nation's seventh president, was in office between 1829 and 1837. Vaughn cites an article written in The Virginia Magazine of History that states Jackson was the son of an Irish woman who married a Black man. The magazine also stated that Jackson's oldest brother had been sold as a slave.



Lincoln, the nation's 16th president, served between 1861 and 1865. Lincoln was said to have been the illegitimate son of an African man, according to Vaughn's findings. Lincoln had very dark skin and coarse hair and his mother allegedly came from an Ethiopian tribe. His heritage fueled so much controversy that Lincoln was nicknamed "Abraham Africanus the First" by his opponents.



President Warren Harding, the 29th president, in office between 1921 and 1923, apparently never denied his ancestry. According to Vaughn, William Chancellor, a professor of economics and politics at Wooster College in Ohio, wrote a book on the Harding family genealogy. Evidently, Harding had Black ancestors between both sets of parents. Chancellor also said that Harding attended Iberia College, a school founded to educate fugitive slaves.



Coolidge, the nation's 30th president, served between 1923 and 1929 and supposedly was proud of his heritage. He claimed his mother was dark because of mixed Indian ancestry. Coolidge's mother's maiden name was "Moor," and in Europe, the name "Moor" was given to all Blacks, just as "Negro" was used in America. It later was concluded that Coolidge was part Black.


I'm so glad we filled that quota and put an end to racism once and for all.

[ms.peachy]

How is it "clear" that most of us voted for him because he is black?

[Bob]

How is it "clear" that most of us voted for him because he is black?

isn't it obvious? didn't you see all those posts where we all celebrated the fact that america had elected its first black president (we don't all follow the one drop rule rob) after centuries of institutional racism and slavery? that means we're racist

[DroppinScience]

This really must have been a tough week for you, Rob.

You gonna hide out with Joe the Plumber in Alaska for the next 4 years?

[YoungRemy]

i voted for Obama because he was better prepared, and a better candidate...

[King PSYZ]

So does that mean it's clear you didn't vote for him because he's black Rob?

[AceFace]

how ridiculous. race shouldn't even be an issue and i think a lot of us have said that. i'm glad Obama was elected, but why i'm happy has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with what he stands for and the promises he made.

[SugarInTheRaw]

So does that mean it's clear you didn't vote for him because he's black Rob?
Woah. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZK_3Bvpm8)

[ToucanSpam]

Haha, finally Rob comes out from the shadows. This has been a good day for the BBMB. Finally some interesting material.

[D_Raay]

I think what is clear by your statement about us voting for him BECAUSE he was black indicates that that is the reason you didn't vote for him. He was clearly the better candidate.

[Adam]

I've stayed out of the Rob threads here on political - he has a point with his quotes and stories etc but I am of a different point of view like the rest the world who didn't want to see McCain win.

However, with this thread you have just lost any respect you might of had with the rest of us. What a racist tool you are.

I bet you can trace pretty much all presidents back to africa, we all come from there. What does it matter about the colour of his skin? I mean, wtf man. How bitter do you have to be? Just get on with life...

I'm of the opinion there is very little difference in the candidates but just wanted a democrat in charge in the US at this time of war. Too much killing comes from the republican side - but I do know that was not the main election issue...

[RobMoney$]

how ridiculous. race shouldn't even be an issue and i think a lot of us have said that.


I agree.

But seeing crowds of people dancing in the streets of times square and other cities around the world because the US had just elected it's first black president doesn't do much for the argument that people just voted for him based on the issues.

Nobody ever reacted like that for an election before and to deny that that's why people were celebrating is a fucking joke.

[ms.peachy]

But seeing crowds of people dancing in the streets of times square and other cities around the world because the US had just elected it's first black president doesn't do much for the argument that people just voted for him based on the issues.

Nobody ever reacted like that for an election before and to deny that that's why people were celebrating is a fucking joke.

Why is it that you think people are not capable of seeing that there are two separate issues at play? Even people who did not vote for Obama can see this is major milestone is US history, even if they don't agree he was the best candidate. Personally, I think he was the best candidate, and it's a really amazing moment in the ongoing American narrative. It's perfectly clear to me that although the two are intertwined, they aren't the same thing.

[RobMoney$]

Why is it that you think people are not capable of seeing that there are two separate issues at play? Even people who did not vote for Obama can see this is major milestone is US history, even if they don't agree he was the best candidate. Personally, I think he was the best candidate, and it's a really amazing moment in the ongoing American narrative. It's perfectly clear to me that although the two are intertwined, they aren't the same thing.

See, now we're getting somewhere...

And why was it history?
Because he was the first "Black" POTUS, correct?
And we can surmize that that's why a lot of people voted for him judging by the reaction of crowds election night.
Because they thought seeing the first "Black" person elected POTUS was historical, correct?

And that's why I made this thread.
Because there are FIVE examples of Presidents who have similar "mixed" heritage.

Now that we've established that Obama being elected wasn't historically important as you thought, we're left with the ACTUAL ISSUES!
You know, the thing everyone was supposed to base their vote on?


...and Bob, according to the article Jackson's father was Black and his own brother was sold as a slave. I'd say that's significantly more than "one drop".

[RobMoney$]

i voted for Obama because he was better prepared


I'm calling bullshit on this Jeremy.
There's no way in hell you're going to tell me that an educated man such as yourself can look at two candidates, one having served not even a full term in the Senate and the other having served for over twenty years, and come to the conclusion that Obama was better prepared.

Hell, I posted a video of Obama himself saying he didn;t think he'd have the necessary experience to be President for the '08 election.

[RobMoney$]

So does that mean it's clear you didn't vote for him because he's black Rob?


Didn't you post somewhere that you cried on election night?
Care to explain why?

[Randetica]

i would have voted for anyone whos the opposite of bush

[RobMoney$]

isn't it obvious? didn't you see all those posts where we all celebrated the fact that america had elected its first black president (we don't all follow the one drop rule rob) after centuries of institutional racism and slavery? that means we're racist

Yeah, I did see that thread actually.

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=89234

[RobMoney$]

This really must have been a tough week for you, Rob.

You gonna hide out with Joe the Plumber in Alaska for the next 4 years?


See, this is why your opinion on US politics and elections is worthless.
You live in Canada. You advocated Obama for President and now that he's in and Russia and Bin Laden have begun making threats to us, you can sit safely up in you Canadian Ivory tower and not worry about being attacked.

You cried on this MB for the past year for people to vote for Obama and now that he's won you make a thread questioning whether he can actually deliver on any of his promises?

WTF?

[Knuckles]

He's definitely the first president who's actually claimed and been proud of his mixed lineage.

Every American who voted for him knew he wasn't "white" and still he got elected. That's a big deal.

[Knuckles]

and now that he's in

He's not in yet.

[RobMoney$]

He's definitely the first president who's actually claimed and been proud of his mixed lineage.

Every American who voted for him knew he wasn't "white" and still he got elected. That's a big deal.


I'm more concerned about things like what he's going to do about the economy and Iraq than how big a deal the color of his skin is.

[Knuckles]

I'm more concerned about things like what he's going to do about the economy and Iraq than how big a deal the color of his skin is.

So is everyone else but he's not in office yet. Give the man a chance.

[Bob]

See, now we're getting somewhere...

And why was it history?
Because he was the first "Black" POTUS, correct?
And we can surmize that that's why a lot of people voted for him judging by the reaction of crowds election night.

i hate to get all lawyery, but no, we can't surmise that, not if we want to use logic. just because people are excited about america's first black president doesn't mean they voted for him just because they wanted to vote in america's first black president. i'm sure some did (just as i'm sure some didn't just because they wanted to PREVENT america from electing america's first black president, but i doubt he would have had their vote even if he were white), but many of us voted for him because we liked him better than mccain and thought he would be a better president. i'm genuinely bothered that you can't see that. having a black president kicks ass, but we didn't vote for him because he's black, we voted for him because we thought he'd be a good president. clarence thomas could have run on the "first black president" platform and i doubt he'd get as many votes.

so no, you can't surmise that.


Because they thought seeing the first "Black" person elected POTUS was historical, correct?

And that's why I made this thread.
Because there are FIVE examples of Presidents who have similar "mixed" heritage.

i really hope this is a joke

Now that we've established that Obama being elected wasn't historically important as you thought,

we haven't

we're left with the ACTUAL ISSUES!
You know, the thing everyone was supposed to base their vote on?

we did


...and Bob, according to the article Jackson's father was Black and his own brother was sold as a slave. I'd say that's significantly more than "one drop".

missed the point

edit: also you read the article incorrectly, jackson's father wasn't black, he was irish. the article says "his mother was an irish woman who married a black man" but the black man wasn't his father. his father was an irish guy who died three weeks before he was born.

[saz]

See, now we're getting somewhere...

And why was it history?
Because he was the first "Black" POTUS, correct?
And we can surmize that that's why a lot of people voted for him judging by the reaction of crowds election night.
Because they thought seeing the first "Black" person elected POTUS was historical, correct?

And that's why I made this thread.
Because there are FIVE examples of Presidents who have similar "mixed" heritage.

Now that we've established that Obama being elected wasn't historically important as you thought, we're left with the ACTUAL ISSUES!
You know, the thing everyone was supposed to base their vote on?


...and Bob, according to the article Jackson's father was Black and his own brother was sold as a slave. I'd say that's significantly more than "one drop".

no rob, you can't "surmize that's why a lot of people voted for him judging by the reaction of the crowds election night".

people were excited because it was a truly historical and exciting event, especially for black americans who never thought they'd see such a day, especially when taking into consideration the hundreds of years of repression they've had to endure. in fact, i was very glad to see it myself, even though i'm not an obama supporter at all.

people were also excited because the republicans lost and the democrats took back the white house: a complete repudiation of george w. bush and the last eight years.


See, this is why your opinion on US politics and elections is worthless.
You live in Canada. You advocated Obama for President and now that he's in and Russia and Bin Laden have begun making threats to us, you can sit safely up in you Canadian Ivory tower and not worry about being attacked.

You cried on this MB for the past year for people to vote for Obama and now that he's won you make a thread questioning whether he can actually deliver on any of his promises?

WTF?

here we go again with not only your weird ass and disturbing personal beef with droppin', but your ridiculous line of argument that only 'maricuns can talk about 'maricuh. so when considering all that, it's not surprising that you can't deduct that droppin' has an independent streak in him, that he is able to question and call-out the candidates he supports, that he doesn't cowtow to them or walk in lock-step with them, and wanted to see what others have to say about obama delivering once in office.


Nobody ever reacted like that for an election before and to deny that that's why people were celebrating is a fucking joke.

again, because not only is obama a dynamic and charismatic as hell political figure, but also because it was history in the making. you're just assuming that people voted for him due to his skin colour, and it obviously bothers you that black people were celebrating seeing one of their own elected.

[King PSYZ]

Didn't you post somewhere that you cried on election night?
Care to explain why?

Answer my question and I'll answer yours...

[yeahwho]

...and it's clear that most of you voted for Obama primarily because of his race,

stopping right there, I would have to say that is probably the most offensive statement I've ever seen posted here.

[Documad]

Ha! You all beat me too it. What a horrible logic flaw. You were happy that Obama was elected, thus you voted for him because he was black. Give me a break!

I voted for Obama because the democrats endorsed him. That's it. I had decided to vote for pretty much any democrat at some point in 2007. I want a democrat to appoint federal judges for the next four years. It's an awesome bonus that the guy the democrats picked was an extremely talented student who interned for my favorite constitutional law expert while at one of the world's best law schools. I am over the fucking moon because of that.

I was emotional on election night. That ended the next day, mostly because of all the bad news on the gay rights front.

I can't separate my emotions. I've thought about it a lot. In 1992, I watched the whole democratic convention. I remember because my dad was dying and my whole family was staying at my parents' house and I had a difficult time finding a quiet location to watch TV. I remember seeing the "Man from Hope" clip and it blew me away. I remember getting all emotional when he gave his really long speech. I remember going crazy when he won. And I remember being super disappointed when he started making decisions. The Obama victory felt the same to me as the Clinton victory. Coming out of 12 years of Reagan Bush felt about the same as coming out of 8 years of Bush II. I felt so fucking relieved because I was awfully scared at the prospect of McCain as president.

I did not vote for Obama because he was black. I don't respect him because he's black. I don't like him because he's black. But it's an awfully nice side benefit. And it will lead to some really interesting racial issues in the next four years.

I have black friends with black children. I also volunteer at an inner city school and most of the kids I've been assigned to are black. Having a black president isn't going to make their lives better. They still face discrimination and their chances later in life will be greatly reduced because of their poverty. But isn't it nice that they have a role model? I am older than most of you and when I was in school there were very few female role models for me. My state just elected our first female SENATOR two years ago! When I was born, neither women nor black men were allowed to sit on juries in many states. I think it's healthy and natural to note the milestones as we progress as a country.

[RobMoney$]

Answer my question and I'll answer yours...

I didn't vote for Obama because he's a radical with basically no executive experience and little legislative experience.
I posted on here DAILY the reasons why I wasn't and urged anyone who cared to read to not vote for Obama based solely on those issues.

If I thought he was the best candidate, you'd better believe I'd vote for him no matter what color he is.



Now, what was so compelling about Obama's election that you were moved to tears? Honestly.

[Burnout18]

I think the democrat was going to win this election no matter what... Black, White, Yellow... whatever....

And I'm not suggesting RObmoney is a racist when i say this,,,, but i know a kid who is definately a racist and as the election results were reported he put up an away message(real mature) saying "he won cause of race".... like are you effin kidding me?

After bush, the tanking economy at the near perfect time, did you really think McCain stood a chance? But yea, blame race....

[Documad]

Now, what was so compelling about Obama's election that you were moved to tears? Honestly.

Wow. As a democrat, weren't you terribly frustrated for the past 8 years watching an idiot ruin our country? Weren't you frustrated on almost a daily basis? I was so disappointed 4 years ago when my fellow citizens voted that idiot back into office despite overwhelming evidence that he was one of the worst presidents in history. Can't you understand the relief that some of us feel that the 8 long years of fear and embarrassment are over? Can't you understand how exciting it is to find that for the first time in a decade hope triumphed over fear? The guy who appealed to our good side beat the guy who appealed to our bad side. The guy who played fair beat the guy who threw all the mud. This is a hollywood ending!

I know that you can't stand Obama but surely you have enough imagination to get why other people are excited.

[DroppinScience]

See, this is why your opinion on US politics and elections is worthless.
You live in Canada. You advocated Obama for President and now that he's in and Russia and Bin Laden have begun making threats to us, you can sit safely up in you Canadian Ivory tower and not worry about being attacked.

You cried on this MB for the past year for people to vote for Obama and now that he's won you make a thread questioning whether he can actually deliver on any of his promises?

WTF?

Oh silly little Rob, geography does not invalidate anyone's opinions on U.S. politics. Only crazy-ass xenophobes on the right-wing fringes would think such a dumb thing.

Moving on to your next point. No, Canadians do worry about being attacked just for the simple reason that Canada is RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the U.S. Did you know that in the Cuban Missile Crisis, had U.S. and Soviet nukes been going off, Canada would also have been completely obliterated in the nuclear winter, as well, if for no other reason than we'd have been caught in the crossfire. We also can see Russia from our houses too!! Moving on to more modern 9/11-related circumstances, Canada has also foiled al-Qaeda-style terror plots (which included plans to behead the Prime Minister!), so I have no clue how "Canadian ivory towers" are impervious to attack.

Lastly, I made my thread questioning on whether Obama can and will deliver on his promises because it is now THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP in discussion. We spent all this time on getting Obama to where he is that the next focus is how to turn all his words into actions and to engage in an open, lively, and constructive discussion on that. Which has worked out successfully. You do know that we're concerned with the betterment of the world, right? I would like to help Obama's hopes and dreams become realities while you'd prefer to be immature and juvenile. We just have differing priorities and I'm always happy to know that.

You may have taken a week off the Political board and took some time to process this crushing defeat for what was quite possibly the most disastrous and incompetent candidacy for President. But I guess you didn't learn the lesson that divisiveness and hatred is not what America was interested in. Glad to know your values and your party is out of touch.

[ToucanSpam]

Oh silly little Rob, geography does not invalidate anyone's opinions on U.S. politics. Only crazy-ass xenophobes on the right-wing fringes would think such a dumb thing.

Moving on to your next point. No, Canadians do worry about being attacked just for the simple reason that Canada is RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the U.S. Did you know that in the Cuban Missile Crisis, had U.S. and Soviet nukes been going off, Canada would also have been completely obliterated in the nuclear winter, as well, if for no other reason than we'd have been caught in the crossfire. We also can see Russia from our houses too!! Moving on to more modern 9/11-related circumstances, Canada has also foiled al-Qaeda-style terror plots (which included plans to behead the Prime Minister!), so I have no clue how "Canadian ivory towers" are impervious to attack.

We don't even have ivory in Canada, dur hur hur.

Canada isn't exactly high on the Middle East's "Christmas Card" list. Our intervention in Afghanistan has earned us a big fat 'fuck you' from that part of the world, and rightfully so. DS is correct in saying we are vulnerable and there are plenty of reasons to think that way.

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah, seeing as how Alberta has the LARGEST supply of oil in all of North America, it's a prime target for terrorism, and there were several plots foiled up here.

Hey, Rob, did you vote for Hillary in the primaries because she was female? Say that she got on the Democratic ticket and beat John McCain last week. Did people (including yourself) vote for her because she's female? No? Then why did they vote for Obama because he's black? How is it any different?

You voted for her because you thought she had the best policies, just like us voting for Obama. If she were elected, the SAME parties, celebrations, everything would have happened. It would have been a monumental, extraordinary win, a great leap forward for females everywhere.

I really am sorry for your case of sour grapes, but I know hardcore Republicans who were even moved that the first African-American was elected, because they can see how historical it was. I don't know why you're so hung up on refusing to acknowledge the historical significance by bringing up weak "mixed heritage" claims. I mean, if I know Sean Hannity types who can think this was a great milestone for blacks and be proud that America can live up to such claims of "anyone" being able to make it here, it really worries me that someone like you is blind to the fact.

[DroppinScience]

We don't even have ivory in Canada, dur hur hur.

Canada isn't exactly high on the Middle East's "Christmas Card" list. Our intervention in Afghanistan has earned us a big fat 'fuck you' from that part of the world, and rightfully so. DS is correct in saying we are vulnerable and there are plenty of reasons to think that way.

We wouldn't be getting any Christmas cards from the Middle East since they're MUSLIM and don't celebrate Christmas. LOLOL

[YoungRemy]

I'm calling bullshit on this Jeremy.
There's no way in hell you're going to tell me that an educated man such as yourself can look at two candidates, one having served not even a full term in the Senate and the other having served for over twenty years, and come to the conclusion that Obama was better prepared.

Hell, I posted a video of Obama himself saying he didn;t think he'd have the necessary experience to be President for the '08 election.

experience and qualification are different than preparation.

[King PSYZ]

I didn't vote for Obama because he's a radical with basically no executive experience and little legislative experience.
I posted on here DAILY the reasons why I wasn't and urged anyone who cared to read to not vote for Obama based solely on those issues.

If I thought he was the best candidate, you'd better believe I'd vote for him no matter what color he is.



Now, what was so compelling about Obama's election that you were moved to tears? Honestly.

A Radical? wow... still on the talking points eh? News flash, Obama won, McCain acted like a real man and patriot for the first time in months and gave a gracious concession speach that honestly was part of what moved me to tears that night only one week ago. Had that been the person running the last three months and in charge of the campaign we might be having a completely different discussion right now.

Yes you posted several specious, wrong, insane talking point email forwards and blog posts with a few independant thoughts over the last few months and most were debunked by even FOX news...

I'm sorry you didn't see Barack for who the majority of this country saw him for. I saw him as an intelligent man who can actually inspire those around him and the country at large towards a new direction. Where McCain fear mongered and said what Obama can't do, Barack focused on what he will do and learning from the mistakes of the last 8 years which up until recently McCain proudly supported.

I was moved to tears because I saw a step forward made towards ERASING color lines, not enforcing them. The majority of the people didn't vote for his skin color, many voted IN SPITE OF IT. It was a huge step that showed the world the American people wanted change, they wanted to present a new face to the world and we wouldn't be held back from this choice because of his skin color.

Now it seems you're so far removed from how difficult it has been and unfortunately still is for many minorities. In this country there's still some horrible stereotypes and unfounded fears when it comes to black people, and really every race and creed in this land. Frankly the American people have been pissing on the whole fucking idea of the USA since day one when we say all are equal on paper and say the oposite though our actions by enslaving Africans and marginalizing the people here before us.

SO if you can't see the signifigance of last Tuesday, or were not moved by what happened while accepting that voting for him had little to do with skin color for most of the nation... well then I actually feel sorry for you that you are so blind to the world around you.

But again, if you claim you didn't vote for him because of every reason besides race, then don't you dare assume the oposite for those of us who did vote for the next president of the United...UNITED States of America.

[RobMoney$]

A Radical? wow... still on the talking points eh? News flash, Obama won, McCain acted like a real man and patriot for the first time in months and gave a gracious concession speach that honestly was part of what moved me to tears that night only one week ago. Had that been the person running the last three months and in charge of the campaign we might be having a completely different discussion right now.

Yes you posted several specious, wrong, insane talking point email forwards and blog posts with a few independant thoughts over the last few months and most were debunked by even FOX news...

I'm sorry you didn't see Barack for who the majority of this country saw him for. I saw him as an intelligent man who can actually inspire those around him and the country at large towards a new direction. Where McCain fear mongered and said what Obama can't do, Barack focused on what he will do and learning from the mistakes of the last 8 years which up until recently McCain proudly supported.

Bullshit. That's your liberal media telling you that.
Obama spent twice as much as McCain did on negative ads. McCain intentionally took Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger off the table when it came to criticizing him when he had every right to question Obama's 20+ year association with him.
Don't believe the hype about McCain's campaign being all negative.


I was moved to tears because I saw a step forward made towards ERASING color lines, not enforcing them. The majority of the people didn't vote for his skin color, many voted IN SPITE OF IT. It was a huge step that showed the world the American people wanted change, they wanted to present a new face to the world and we wouldn't be held back from this choice because of his skin color.

See, this is where you lose me.
You just admitted you were moved to tears because of the man's race, didn't you? What fucking difference does it make really?
All we should be concerned with is if the man can do the job, and people aren't going to go apeshit in the streets because of that.
And the whole "We showed the world we're ready to take a new step and the world will love us now" talking point is complete bullshit as well when you consider the fact that Russia and bin Laden didn't even wait one day to issue new threats against us after Obama's election.

I thought to myself "Really, Russia and bin Laden? I thought the world was supposed to love us again?"

Now it seems you're so far removed from how difficult it has been and unfortunately still is for many minorities. In this country there's still some horrible stereotypes and unfounded fears when it comes to black people, and really every race and creed in this land. Frankly the American people have been pissing on the whole fucking idea of the USA since day one when we say all are equal on paper and say the oposite though our actions by enslaving Africans and marginalizing the people here before us.

I'm not buying it. Show me one example in todays society where Black people have it more difficult than anyone else. As quickly as blacks whip out the race card on everything these days I fail to see how such discrimination is possible today.

SO if you can't see the signifigance of last Tuesday, or were not moved by what happened while accepting that voting for him had little to do with skin color for most of the nation... well then I actually feel sorry for you that you are so blind to the world around you.

But again, if you claim you didn't vote for him because of every reason besides race, then don't you dare assume the oposite for those of us who did vote for the next president of the United...UNITED States of America.

.

[kaiser soze]

Wow....fishing for responses and look what you got rob. I'm impressed.

It is unfortunate that you (a democrat) would shit on the people who may have joined your party and voted for the Democratic Candidate. I guess that's what you pride yourself on, your pettiness. This was your chance to come back a good sport but rather you just took a step closer to irrelevancy.

I will not disagree that people voted for Obama because of race, but I am convinced most on this board did not. I don't blame people for celebrating because look where bush's policies (backed by mccain) has taken us and the world.

It is unfortunate you have to show your true colors, not that we didn't have any clue.

[yeahwho]

Obama won in spite of his race.

[King PSYZ]

Bullshit. That's your liberal media telling you that.
Obama spent twice as much as McCain did on negative ads. McCain intentionally took Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger off the table when it came to criticizing him when he had every right to question Obama's 20+ year association with him.
Don't believe the hype about McCain's campaign being all negative.

MY "Liberal" media? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?. Please Rob, drop the bullshit. How dare you even half heartedly claim you were ever a lifelong dem and then throw out a bullshit GOP talking point like that?

Liberal media my ass, unlike you I am not a sheep for the talking points fed to me by the likes of Rush, Malkin, Hannity, OReily, et al. Where they brought up specious attacks and bullshit, where they did focus on things like his pastors, what the fuck?

Is this the MacCarthy 50s again where you're not allowed to be anything but a white Christian conservative or you're an enemy of the state? And just because McCain saw the futility and irrelevance of someone's pastor's independant actions, doesn't mean your very corporate and right wing media did. We heard 5 seconds of Palin's crazy church and pastor who did all kinds of scary cultish shit. We heard 5 seconds of McCain's crazy racist pastor. Yet the GOP and the media kept trying to go back to people with passing relationships to Obama to prove he wasn't American enough for the job.

Seriously? You honestly belive that an Anti-American won the election? So does that mean we'll welcome Bin Laden and Russia in with open arms? Oh wait they still don't like us so that's Obama's fault too... Which is it???

I don't need to belive anything, I saw the ads myself. McCain spent the election attacking character, Obama spent the election showing character and direction. The new talking point of "Obama spent twice as much on negative ads" is hillarious to me. First off Obama spent twice as much on ads period, because he had enough Americans pledging what they could to fight the GOP swift boat machine and Rove politics. Second, Obama's "negative" ads never attacked character or association, they attacked failed policies that McCain supported. McCain, Palin and the rest of the GOPs favorite talkng point the last few weeks was "Joe the plumber has done something nobody else has done, get a straight answer out of Barack Obama" was the biggest line of misdirection and straight up horseshit I have ever seen. McCain is the one who avoided specific policy discussion, choosing not to tell us what he would do, only what Barack couldn't do. Obama has been transparent about policy, he put it on the internet for all to see.

So no, there's no hype, just fact that McCain ran a typical GOP race, and this time it failed so bad it broke the party.

See, this is where you lose me.
You just admitted you were moved to tears because of the man's race, didn't you? What fucking difference does it make really?
All we should be concerned with is if the man can do the job, and people aren't going to go apeshit in the streets because of that.
And the whole "We showed the world we're ready to take a new step and the world will love us now" talking point is complete bullshit as well when you consider the fact that Russia and bin Laden didn't even wait one day to issue new threats against us after Obama's election.

I thought to myself "Really, Russia and bin Laden? I thought the world was supposed to love us again?"

Admitted I was moved to tears because of his race... Wow so I guess you failed to comprehend the entire post ok... What Rob, are you mad I'm a "nigger lover" or some bullshit? Does it piss you off to see white people not give a fuck if he's black or not but appreciate the huge milestone this represents of black people, minorities, and Americans as a whole?

You give me this bulshit line about all we should be concerned about is if he can do the job, yet you and your "new" party did nothing but attack character and not ability. What experience does McCain have at being president? Oh none, ok thanks. Being locked in a tiger cage does not make one ready to be president. Being a bitch to lobbiests and corporate theives for 20 plus years does not make one presidential.

My favorite part though, this is rich, is where you shot down the praise of most nations on earth because Bin Laden and Russia still don't like us. So they negate the feelings of every nation on earth Rob? So does that mean if McCain was president Russia and Bin Laden would have offered peace? Also, it's not a talking point, it's my own personal opinon and one that was validated several times since last Tuesday night.

I don't know why I bother though, you are so closed minded you can't break from your narrow world view to see you might be wrong.

[100% ILL]

Now that the parades and parties are over, come Jan 20th there will be a new face on our televisions telling us the same lies in a different package.

I'm not going to say Obama won because he was black but here in NC there has already been some racially charged stories in the news. I expect it will get worse before it gets better

.http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3949958/



Posted: Nov. 12 8:55 p.m.
Updated: Today at 5:33 a.m.

Raleigh, N.C. — There was a call for change Wednesday evening night at North Carolina State University. Student leaders came together to talk about passing the "Free Expression Tunnel Hate Crime Act" after classmates admitted to painting racist remarks about President-elect Barack Obama on the night of Nov. 4.

Two of the messages in N.C. State's "Free Expression Tunnel" said: "Let's shoot that (N-word) in the head" and "Hang Obama by a noose."

A bill urges the university to immediately expel those who promote such violent and racist actions on campus and to prosecute the offending students to the fullest extent of state and federal law.

"And to let other students at North Carolina State University know that this is not tolerated,” N.C. State Senator Michael Griffin said of the bill.

Four students have come forward and admitted to spray-painting the racist messages. The school has not released their names. Since the students were not charged with a crime, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People wants the university to expel them.

"We have to hold all of our institutions accountable," said Amina Turner, state NAACP executive director.

The NAACP is pushing for N.C. State, and other public universities across the state, to implement a system-wide policy on hate speech and to hold diversity training for students.

N.C. State Chancellor James Oblinger met with State NAACP President Rev. William Barber for about 90 minutes Wednesday morning to talk about the incident.

Oblinger refused to take questions from reporters after the closed-door meeting. He made a brief statement: "Both sides have a good understanding of each other's perspective and we agreed to move forward."

Barber has asked Oblinger to respond, in writing, within 48 hours with an official response from the university.







http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/12/naacp-expel-nc-students-f_n_143401.html


RALEIGH, N.C. — The North Carolina NAACP wants North Carolina State University to expel four students accused of painting racist messages about President-elect Obama on campus.

School Chancellor James Oblinger held a closed-door meeting Wednesday with NAACP President Rev. William Barber to discuss the graffiti in the campus free expression tunnel.

Barber wants an official response within 48 hours. Oblinger says both sides have agreed to move forward.

Four students admitted spray-painting the messages, including one that used a racial slur and suggested shooting Obama in the head.

Officials have said the unidentified students won't face criminal charges because the writing wasn't a hate crime since it was written on a wall where free speech is encouraged.

[Bob]

Bullshit. That's your liberal media telling you that.
Obama spent twice as much as McCain did on negative ads. McCain intentionally took Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger off the table when it came to criticizing him when he had every right to question Obama's 20+ year association with him.
Don't believe the hype about McCain's campaign being all negative.


it's not hype, it's truth. assuming obama did "spend twice as much" on negative ads as mccain (and i'm not conceding that), it doesn't change the fact that mccain's campaign was pretty much entirely negative towards the end. he just didn't have as much money to spend on them.

See, this is where you lose me.
You just admitted you were moved to tears because of the man's race, didn't you? What fucking difference does it make really?
All we should be concerned with is if the man can do the job, and people aren't going to go apeshit in the streets because of that.


jesus, you really can't even admit that having a black president is a big deal? america started like this (http://answersinhistory.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/slavery.gif), there are people alive today who saw and even experienced first hand things like this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Birmingham_campaign_water_hoses.jpg) and this (http://www.page291.com/blog/images/flag.jpg) and this (http://ghostoftj.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/1930-lynching.jpg). and you can't understand how people are allowed to be excited about the fact that we went from having all that to this (http://blog.reidreport.com/uploaded_images/obama-rally-796936.jpg)?

nuts man, if you're actually being serious with this thread, you won't even admit that obama actually IS america's first black president, you won't even grant him that. why? because, and i quote, "Harding did not deny his African ancestry when Republican leaders called on him to deny his "Negro" history. He said, "How should I know whether or not one of my ancestors might have jumped the fence?""

yes, people are excited about obama being the first black president, but we also voted for him on the issues. people are allowed to do both. i understand that you're excited about having found a statistical correlation between people who voted for obama and people who are excited about america having its first black president but i'm sorry, it doesn't mean what you think it means. you're just seeing what you want to see (and it really bothers me that you want to see it so badly). i don't know what else to tell you.

And the whole "We showed the world we're ready to take a new step and the world will love us now" talking point is complete bullshit as well when you consider the fact that Russia and bin Laden didn't even wait one day to issue new threats against us after Obama's election.

I thought to myself "Really, Russia and bin Laden? I thought the world was supposed to love us again?"

really? the idea that obama is going to restore our credibility abroad is "complete bullshit" because bin laden still hates us? i don't know what to say to that.

[DroppinScience]

You know, McCain gave an extraordinarily gracious concession speech. I half hoped that I'd return to the board to see Rob give a similarly conciliatory and gracious tone. Rob admires McCain for being an honorable man, so I thought he'd take his example and learn from it. If Elisabeth Hasselbach, of all people, from The View could do it, a "life-long Democrat" could do it too. He even said he was glad the election would be over soon because even he was getting tired of the negativity.

So you take a one-week vacation from this section and come back being a "dillweed" (to borrow ms. peachy's words)? Jeez.

[NoFenders]

There's a whole mess a dillweeds round this place.

Just sayin.

:cool:

[Laver1969]

...and it's clear that most of you voted for Obama primarily because of his race, I just figured you'd appreciate knowing that he's actually not the first President to be part black.


This has been a very lively thread. I'll chime in and say I did not vote for Obama because of his race. I voted for Obama because I like what I heard from him. He represents a complete change from the past 8 years. I like most of where he stands on a variety of policies. I like his ability to get lots of people motivated and engaged in the direction of our country.

If the GOP had a put a better candidate forward that had some new ideas I would have listened. I just couldn't take McCain seriously. ParaSailin' was a joke and gimmick, too.

I do think that we finally got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. :) But that's beside the point.

[easy 3]

The parties and parades may be over, but I'm seriously considering getting some kind of professional help.

Since early in the morning on November 5th I haven't been able to get 'Dancing in the Streets' out of my head - it's like some kind of collective telepathy or some shit?

Round and round on a continuous loop, Martha Reeves with her "Swinging,swaying and records playing....." It's killing me.

What's going on? Help:(

[RobMoney$]

You know, McCain gave an extraordinarily gracious concession speech. I half hoped that I'd return to the board to see Rob give a similarly conciliatory and gracious tone. Rob admires McCain for being an honorable man, so I thought he'd take his example and learn from it. If Elisabeth Hasselbach, of all people, from The View could do it, a "life-long Democrat" could do it too. He even said he was glad the election would be over soon because even he was getting tired of the negativity.

So you take a one-week vacation from this section and come back being a "dillweed" (to borrow ms. peachy's words)? Jeez.


Have I said one critical thing about Obama in this thread? No.
I hope he performs well, it's in my best interest for him to perform well.

I'm criticizing the idiots who partied like it was 1999 because a Black man was elected. I just don't follow the mentality.
I don't believe we would have seen that reaction if Hillary or Palin had won and I seriously think all those celebratory crowds would have been rioting crowds if Obama had lost, which is equally stupid to me.

And people who give me this excuse about wanting someone different than Bush is ridiculous too. I mean excuse me but you do realize that Bush wasn't running in this election, don't you?
McCain would have been a significant improvement too on his own, you admittedley all saw that in his concession speech.

[ms.peachy]

McCain would have been a significant improvement too on his own

Yes, too bad he didn't actually come on his own but only as part of a set that included freaky Jesus lady and the Rovian stormtroopers.

[RobMoney$]

it's not hype, it's truth. assuming obama did "spend twice as much" on negative ads as mccain (and i'm not conceding that), it doesn't change the fact that mccain's campaign was pretty much entirely negative towards the end. he just didn't have as much money to spend on them.


jesus, you really can't even admit that having a black president is a big deal? america started like this (http://answersinhistory.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/slavery.gif), there are people alive today who saw and even experienced first hand things like this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Birmingham_campaign_water_hoses.jpg) and this (http://www.page291.com/blog/images/flag.jpg) and this (http://ghostoftj.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/1930-lynching.jpg). and you can't understand how people are allowed to be excited about the fact that we went from having all that to this (http://blog.reidreport.com/uploaded_images/obama-rally-796936.jpg)?

It only goes to prove my point that the opportunity is out there for everyone to succeed in this country. Obama has proved unquestionably that these racist barriers that some refer to, absolutely and positively do not exist any longer.

I'm 36 and I know you're a bit younger than I am, so I know you have no recollection of the days of segregation. It means nothing to me. It is undeniably a thing of the past and I really see no reason for anyone to use it as a crutch or an excuse in today's world for anything. I feel no white mans guilt or obliged in any way to apologize for the something that happened before I was born.
I don't see how electing Obama POTUS has anything to do with slavery or segragation? Obama's father was a wealthy Kenyan economist whose ancestors played no part in slavery in America. (Unless his fathers' ancestors were the African merchants who actually sold their people to the Slave Merchants who brought them to America?)

nuts man, if you're actually being serious with this thread, you won't even admit that obama actually IS america's first black president, you won't even grant him that. why? because, and i quote, "Harding did not deny his African ancestry when Republican leaders called on him to deny his "Negro" history. He said, "How should I know whether or not one of my ancestors might have jumped the fence?""

yes, people are excited about obama being the first black president, but we also voted for him on the issues. people are allowed to do both. i understand that you're excited about having found a statistical correlation between people who voted for obama and people who are excited about america having its first black president but i'm sorry, it doesn't mean what you think it means. you're just seeing what you want to see (and it really bothers me that you want to see it so badly). i don't know what else to tell you.

Why don't you think McCain could have restored faith in America on a global level? Electing Bugs Bunny would have instilled more faith in America than Bush did.

Insuating that only the Black guy could bring honor to the position is racist, isn't it? We're discounting the White guy based on the color of his skin because Bush was also white?
Think about it Bob.

[RobMoney$]

I voted for Obama because I like what I heard from him. He represents a complete change from the past 8 years. I like most of where he stands on a variety of policies. I like his ability to get lots of people motivated and engaged in the direction of our country.

See, those are perfectly logical reasons to believe in Obama over McCain IMO. I actually happen to agree with you.
I wish there were more level-headed opinons like this here.

[DroppinScience]

Insuating that only the Black guy could bring honor to the position is racist, isn't it? We're discounting the White guy based on the color of his skin because Bush was also white?
Think about it Bob.

Right, nobody was behind McCain because he was a white guy. :rolleyes:

[Echewta]

I wasn't crying. I had something in both of my eyes.

[DroppinScience]

Have I said one critical thing about Obama in this thread? No.
I hope he performs well, it's in my best interest for him to perform well.

That's not what you said in April:



I can't wait to see all the outrage from the Obama fans on here when he loses.
Honestly, I can't fucking wait.

Don't you hate being wrong all the time?

[Bob]

It only goes to prove my point that the opportunity is out there for everyone to succeed in this country. Obama has proved unquestionably that these racist barriers that some refer to, absolutely and positively do not exist any longer.

I'm 36 and I know you're a bit younger than I am, so I know you have no recollection of the days of segregation. It means nothing to me. It is undeniably a thing of the past and I really see no reason for anyone to use it as a crutch or an excuse in today's world for anything. I feel no white mans guilt or obliged in any way to apologize for the something that happened before I was born.
I don't see how electing Obama POTUS has anything to do with slavery or segragation? Obama's father was a wealthy Kenyan economist whose ancestors played no part in slavery in America. (Unless his fathers' ancestors were the African merchants who actually sold their people to the Slave Merchants who brought them to America?)

that's great that you don't buy into white guilt and that segregation means nothing to you but you're completely missing the point again. i'm not trying to use slavery or segregation as a crutch, i'm not saying that slavery and segregation are why obama got elected, i'm saying that slavery and segregation are why people are excited to have a black president. people who got hosed down for demanding access to the voting booth so they could vote for a president are now seeing one of their own as someone who is president. this country has had a horrible racist past (and present, to a lesser but still very real extent) and that's why having a black president is a landmark, something that's worth celebrating.

i've said it before but i'll say it again and i'm guessing i'm going to have to say it again in the future because you still don't seem to be understanding it but it's possible to both vote for obama because you agree with him on the issues and, at the same time, be excited about america having a black president. just because you appreciate the historical importance of a minority president, it doesn't mean you voted for him because he's a minority. please try very hard to understand that because it's really annoying that you don't.

Why don't you think McCain could have restored faith in America on a global level? Electing Bugs Bunny would have instilled more faith in America than Bush did.

have you been paying attention to what everyone in the rest of the world thought about this election? nobody wanted mccain to win. after obama won, even people here on the BBMB were saying nice things about america. when is the last time you've ever heard a non-american on this board say a nice thing about the american government/president? and it's not just limitd to the BBMB, canadians, europeans, etc, across the world share the same sentiment. do you really in your heart of hearts think the world would have reacted the same way if mccain had won?

his vice presidential pick didn't exactly help either. sarah palin is literally the physical manifestation of everything that the world hates about america and americans. fuck, she's the physical manifestation of everything i can't stand about america and americans.

Insuating that only the Black guy could bring honor to the position is racist, isn't it? We're discounting the White guy based on the color of his skin because Bush was also white?
Think about it Bob.

yes rob, that would be racist. good thing i'm not doing that then? where did that come from?

[kaiser soze]

.

[saz]

(y)


i've said it before but i'll say it again and i'm guessing i'm going to have to say it again in the future because you still don't seem to be understanding it but it's possible to both vote for obama because you agree with him on the issues and, at the same time, be excited about america having a black president. just because you appreciate the historical importance of a minority president, it doesn't mean you voted for him because he's a minority. please try very hard to understand that because it's really annoying that you don't.

[RobMoney$]

i've said it before but i'll say it again and i'm guessing i'm going to have to say it again in the future because you still don't seem to be understanding it but it's possible to both vote for obama because you agree with him on the issues and, at the same time, be excited about america having a black president. just because you appreciate the historical importance of a minority president, it doesn't mean you voted for him because he's a minority. please try very hard to understand that because it's really annoying that you don't.


You'll get over it.

[kaiser soze]

You'll get over it.

And so will you

The End

[Randetica]

he likes harry potter and spiderman, how in the world could you just vote for such a nerd? :mad:

i say bring back bush!

[Documad]

It only goes to prove my point that the opportunity is out there for everyone to succeed in this country. Obama has proved unquestionably that these racist barriers that some refer to, absolutely and positively do not exist any longer.

Bullshit. Do you live in some kind of fantasy world?

[HAL 9000]

...and it's clear that most of you voted for Obama primarily because of his race, I just figured you'd appreciate knowing that he's actually not the first President to be part black.
There's actually been FIVE former US Presidents with African ancesteorory (and no, none of them were named Clinton either).

http://www.diversityinc.com/public/3085.cfm



I'm so glad we filled that quota and put an end to racism once and for all.

All humans have African ancestry.

I couldnt vote, but if I could have done, the fact that McCain chose a fundamentalist lunatic for a running mate would have given Obama my vote.

[QueenAdrock]

See, those are perfectly logical reasons to believe in Obama over McCain IMO. I actually happen to agree with you.
I wish there were more level-headed opinons like this here.

I'm actually positive that every person in here who supports Obama said the same things. They like Obama's issues over McCain's. He has the ability to incite hope and interest among the masses. He provides motivation, and a complete change from the past 8 years.

Brett's said it tons of times, perhaps you've just chosen to ignore it. But either way, I guess you're admitting that Brett's level-headed, too. Good for you. (y)

[Schmeltz]

Since Canadians are apparently not permitted to comment on the American political situation, allow me to point out the obvious so far as RobMoney's globalist perspective is concerned:

1. Osama bin Laden is going to hate you no matter who your President is. He would hate you if you elected a dog. Do you seriously think he was prepared to turn himself in or shut down al-Qaeda if John McCain was elected? What kind of idiotic point are you trying to make here?

2. Russia is always going to fiercely oppose what it perceives as hostile foreign intervention in its traditional sphere of influence, no matter which country it considers the perpetrator. The prospect of Georgian membership in NATO, the concept of a US missile shield in Eastern Europe, American interference in the Iranian economy - any of these things will inspire the Russians to rattle their sabre, especially when their country is flush with oil money and still very much under the thumb of a powerful and influential long-term leader like Putin. In this they are not a jot different from your countrymen, who would recoil in alarm at any similar kind of Russian influence on the traditionally American sphere - is Cuba a sufficient example? I think so.

You could at least have pretended to play the gracious down-and-outer, RobMoney. Pretending that you still hold some kind of high ground is just making you look silly.

[mikizee]

Always with the making perfect sense, that schmeltz guy

[RobMoney$]

Since Canadians are apparently not permitted to comment on the American political situation, allow me to point out the obvious so far as RobMoney's globalist perspective is concerned:

1. Osama bin Laden is going to hate you no matter who your President is. He would hate you if you elected a dog. Do you seriously think he was prepared to turn himself in or shut down al-Qaeda if John McCain was elected? What kind of idiotic point are you trying to make here?

2. Russia is always going to fiercely oppose what it perceives as hostile foreign intervention in its traditional sphere of influence, no matter which country it considers the perpetrator. The prospect of Georgian membership in NATO, the concept of a US missile shield in Eastern Europe, American interference in the Iranian economy - any of these things will inspire the Russians to rattle their sabre, especially when their country is flush with oil money and still very much under the thumb of a powerful and influential long-term leader like Putin. In this they are not a jot different from your countrymen, who would recoil in alarm at any similar kind of Russian influence on the traditionally American sphere - is Cuba a sufficient example? I think so.

You could at least have pretended to play the gracious down-and-outer, RobMoney. Pretending that you still hold some kind of high ground is just making you look silly.


You can comment on American politics until you're blue in the face for all I care. But in the end you should know that it's simply an exercize in futility and a waste of bandwidth.

And I guarentee Putin & Bin Laden would not feel as free to make such accusations against America if McCain had been elected because they know he would not be nearly as apprehensive about returning the threat.

BTW, why hasn't Obama commented on those threats yet? Fucking Joe Biden told us the threats were imminent before the election even happened and all we get from Obama is a story on page 6 of the celebrity papers out taking his wife on dates for christ sake.
There's American blood in the water, and Putin & Bin Laden can smell it from a mile away.
Obama=The Carter II.

[DroppinScience]

I think it's just you, Bush, and Barney who is believing whatever it is you're trying to peddle at this point.

And you're right, it's an exercise in futility and a waste in bandwidth. Nothing ever sinks in with you. You just repeat the same thing over and over somehow expect your arguments to win, yet they crash and burn time and time again.

[yeahwho]

Obama=The Carter II.

Hey do you suppose John McCain will go on to win a Nobel Peace Prize like Al Gore? Or will that be up to Sarah Palin?

McCain=The Dole II

[Bob]

And I guarentee Putin & Bin Laden would not feel as free to make such accusations against America if McCain had been elected because they know he would not be nearly as apprehensive about returning the threat.


haha

[Documad]

haha

I know.

I'm trying to imagine what Rob thinks McCain and Palin would do, given that Bush is president until late January. And even when they took office, what were they going to do that Bush hadn't already done? Invade another random country that has nothing to do with bin laden?

[Laver1969]

And I guarentee Putin & Bin Laden would not feel as free to make such accusations against America if McCain had been elected because they know he would not be nearly as apprehensive about returning the threat.

BTW, why hasn't Obama commented on those threats yet?

I thought I read somewhere how Obama's already talking about renewing the fight against Bin Laden. He's been stumpin' that argument forever and I thought now that he's won that they're actually working on it.

I did a quick search and came up with this article. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/10/AR2008111002897_pf.html)

I think Obama will be better than Carter. I think he has bigger balls.

[saz]

And I guarentee Putin & Bin Laden would not feel as free to make such accusations against America if McCain had been elected because they know he would not be nearly as apprehensive about returning the threat.

BTW, why hasn't Obama commented on those threats yet? Fucking Joe Biden told us the threats were imminent before the election even happened and all we get from Obama is a story on page 6 of the celebrity papers out taking his wife on dates for christ sake.
There's American blood in the water, and Putin & Bin Laden can smell it from a mile away.
Obama=The Carter II.

oh yeah, i'm sure putin and bin laden would be shaking if another republican captured the presidency. because after all, the current republican administration has completely failed to capture bin laden, and initiated the greatest foreign policy blunder of all time by invading a country that had nothing to do with 911. yeah, bin laden would be shaking if mccain won, even though al qaeda wanted mccain to win, because disastrous republican wars have been the greatest recruiting tool for al qaeda.

convenient though that you didn't complete the actual quote from biden, that he's sure obama can rise to the challenge of any imminent threat. interesting too that a "lifelong democrat" is ridiculing carter, (while carter remains popular amoung actual democrats), and conveying that america's enemies are emboldened when a democrat is in power, even though the dems led america to victory in the first and second world wars, dropped the atomic bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki, fully escalated the vietnam war, with even clinton bombing iraq.

[Bob]

I know.

I'm trying to imagine what Rob thinks McCain and Palin would do, given that Bush is president until late January. And even when they took office, what were they going to do that Bush hadn't already done? Invade another random country that has nothing to do with bin laden?

i can't imagine what threat mccain could make that bin laden would be afraid of. he's already public enemy #1, the entire country is searching for him, we've invaded and occupied two countries to do it, and he's still been out there making threats. what exactly would bin laden be afraid of with mccain? invading a third country that he isn't in? take away his dialysis?

[DroppinScience]

i can't imagine what threat mccain could make that bin laden would be afraid of. he's already public enemy #1, the entire country is searching for him, we've invaded and occupied two countries to do it, and he's still been out there making threats. what exactly would bin laden be afraid of with mccain? invading a third country that he isn't in? take away his dialysis?

McCain would just tell Bin Laden: "Ya damn kids! Get off my lawn!"

That would be pretty scary, I admit.

[Bob]

i just realized how much Obama/Biden looks like osama bin laden. like if you squint a little

A SIGN??????

[DroppinScience]

i just realized how much Obama/Biden looks like osama bin laden. like if you squint a little

A SIGN??????

Biden is a secret Muslim, right?

[Bob]

WHAT HAVE I DONE

[Schmeltz]

And I guarentee Putin & Bin Laden would not feel as free to make such accusations against America if McCain had been elected because they know he would not be nearly as apprehensive about returning the threat.

There's American blood in the water, and Putin & Bin Laden can smell it from a mile away.


You do know that this is utter nonsense. Having a Republican in the White House didn't stop bin Laden from mounting 9/11, nor did it stop Russia from invading Georgia and setting up puppet governments in its provinces. Having a 72-year-old guy and a half-retarded hick facing them down isn't going to make them think twice about anything.

I mean this is one of the most insubstantial Republican talking points to come out of the last eight years, and here's a Democrat trying to push it in defiance of all context and indeed all logic. Might want to think that over a little harder buddy.

[RobMoney$]

Maybe you might want to think it over there yourself, buddy.
Looks like Obama will be seeking council with 72 yr.old guy:

Obama plans to sit down with McCain next week. (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/14/obama-meet-mccain-monday/)

[Schmeltz]

Oh, well he'll obviously be begging McCain to teach him how to stand up to Russia. What other reason could they possibly have for a meeting?

[D_Raay]

It's like watching Stephen Hawking debate Homer Simpson.

[Dorothy Wood]

I don't think many people on this board have hung out with very many black people before. :/

racism exists, if you think it doesn't, you're delusional. even if it's diminished, some of you (or I guess just rob) are forgetting that a lot of black people still perceive that white people look down on them, and were certain that white people would never get behind a black candidate for president. the fact that they did is incredibly meaningful. you don't know what it's like to be a minority, and feel like no one represents you. that's why minorities have so much pride, why they represent themselves so vehemently. they reject before they can be rejected, and that attitude just gets woven into their culture. it's an attitude of "I am different, but I am important. I'm going to show just how different I can be and surround myself with people who are different like me". but underneath that lies an ingrained low self-image from constant reminders that they are in fact, not in charge. so now, the person in charge isn't an old white man...and that blows the whole thing open for everyone.


people voted for obama, the man. he presented who he was and people liked it, regardless of his race. this would be just as amazing and important if he were hispanic, or asian.




you're just a sore loser, rob. jesus. cry me a river, of all the things to get on a high horse about. ohhh, wahhh, my candidate didn't win because he was white, boo hoo, that's the only explanation, wahhhhh ha hahhaaa wahhhhhh.


so. lame.

[RobMoney$]

people voted for obama, the man. he presented who he was and people liked it, regardless of his race. this would be just as amazing and important if he were hispanic, or asian.




you're just a sore loser, rob. jesus. cry me a river, of all the things to get on a high horse about. ohhh, wahhh, my candidate didn't win because he was white, boo hoo, that's the only explanation, wahhhhh ha hahhaaa wahhhhhh.


so. lame.

Quickly, link me to where I whined about Obama winning or McCain losing.
You can't.
I said I hope he does well, it's in my best intrest for him to do well.
Is that whining? it's not about winning or losing, we're all still Americans at the end of the day and we've all got a stake in who's making the calls about how this country is run.
And for the record, I stated several times during the election that I fully expected Obama to win, but that didn't mean that I was going to support him.

I'm commenting on the freaks that acted like they just hit the lottery on election night. Never said one thing about Obama himself being elected did I, so quit trying to twist it.


I only wish we could quit worrying about having a black, asian, hispanic, italian, white, or what have you candidate and start worrying about just electing the best candidate.
That's the only way we can begin to truly end racism, not worry about filling some bullshit token quota.

[DroppinScience]

The black candidate WAS the best candidate, so it was a two-for-one deal. Get over it.

[RobMoney$]

Do you understand how the quote function works?
I quote Dorothy because I'm trying to have a conversation with her, not you. You just did the same thing in the other thread.

Why do you feel free to respond to things that aren't addressed to you all the time?

[DroppinScience]

If nobody else is allowed to address what you said, you better make it a PM.

[RobMoney$]

Has Lambert been made into a Moderator now?

[QueenAdrock]

Why do you feel free to respond to things that aren't addressed to you all the time?

...because it's a message board? :confused:

[Dorothy Wood]

Quickly, link me to where I whined about Obama winning or McCain losing.
You can't.
I said I hope he does well, it's in my best intrest for him to do well.
Is that whining? it's not about winning or losing, we're all still Americans at the end of the day and we've all got a stake in who's making the calls about how this country is run.
And for the record, I stated several times during the election that I fully expected Obama to win, but that didn't mean that I was going to support him.

I'm commenting on the freaks that acted like they just hit the lottery on election night. Never said one thing about Obama himself being elected did I, so quit trying to twist it.


I only wish we could quit worrying about having a black, asian, hispanic, italian, white, or what have you candidate and start worrying about just electing the best candidate.
That's the only way we can begin to truly end racism, not worry about filling some bullshit token quota.


well, you basically said that people just voted for obama because he was black, you actually said "it's clear that most of you voted for Obama primarily because of his race". I'm just saying that's a weird thing to say and it makes you out to be a sore loser. you seem to think that people were excited solely because he's going to be the first black president, and I think that's a rude assumption. because you thought your candidate was the best, you're trying to undermine other people's motivations for voting the other way, whether you realize it or not.

and I can't begin to understand where you're getting the token quota thing. as far as I have experienced, people just assumed that presidents were gonna be white dudes forever. nobody's been screaming about filling quotas.

for the record, I woulda voted for barack if he were lily white. I voted for him because he has intelligence and grace, and I'm pretty sure that's why most people did.

[yeahwho]

well, you basically said that people just voted for obama because he was black, you actually said "it's clear that most of you voted for Obama primarily because of his race". I'm just saying that's a weird thing to say and it makes you out to be a sore loser. you seem to think that people were excited solely because he's going to be the first black president, and I think that's a rude assumption. because you thought your candidate was the best, you're trying to undermine other people's motivations for voting the other way, whether you realize it or not.

and I can't begin to understand where you're getting the token quota thing. as far as I have experienced, people just assumed that presidents were gonna be white dudes forever. nobody's been screaming about filling quotas.

for the record, I woulda voted for barack if he were lily white. I voted for him because he has intelligence and grace, and I'm pretty sure that's why most people did.

Very well said, I get it, I think most anyone reading your post is going to get it, it's obvious.

I actually think this post makes him out to be something other than a sore loser. I've really never seen somebody so fucked up over a simple idea of hope and change. The last eight years have been excruciatingly painful, mishandled, crisis after crisis and complete chaos of the representative democratic society my family has shed blood for.

Lets try and work towards a better country.

[Bob]

Do you understand how the quote function works?
I quote Dorothy because I'm trying to have a conversation with her, not you. You just did the same thing in the other thread.

Why do you feel free to respond to things that aren't addressed to you all the time?

you're ridiculous

edit: i came back to this post to remove it because i felt kind of bad about it, but now that i'm looking at it again, yeah, i was right, it's ridiculous

[Tone Capone]

you're ridiculous

edit: i came back to this post to remove it because i felt kind of bad about it, but now that i'm looking at it again, yeah, i was right, it's ridiculous

(y)
About sums it up.

[Tone Capone]

Guys you really shouldn't waste your time trying to put Robert on the right path. His ignorance is too pure, too strong, too old... he won't change.

[RobMoney$]

Don't worry Tony, most of the people here know what you're about too.

[Tone Capone]

I think it's just you, Bush, and Barney who is believing whatever it is you're trying to peddle at this point.

And you're right, it's an exercise in futility and a waste in bandwidth. Nothing ever sinks in with you. You just repeat the same thing over and over somehow expect your arguments to win, yet they crash and burn time and time again.

(y)

[RobMoney$]

(y)


What insight!
Please, keep posting Tony. The forum needs more great opinions like this.

Seriously, if you've come back to criticize me or to harass and threaten my girlfriend, just do it already.
Quoting other people's criticisms with a (y) or a "nail on head" considering you've posted here like twice in the past year and have no idea what the head of the nail even looks like is all passive-aggressive and totally not your style.

[King PSYZ]

I like how Rob has gotten us to defend ourselves and rationalise our vote for Obama yet he doesn't feel the need to defend his racist remarks and outright bullshit he spouted over the last year and a half...

So I'll just get used to
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[afronaut]

I agree.

But seeing crowds of people dancing in the streets of times square and other cities around the world because the US had just elected it's first black president doesn't do much for the argument that people just voted for him based on the issues.

Nobody ever reacted like that for an election before and to deny that that's why people were celebrating is a fucking joke.

None of us on this board has witnessed an event that was as historical as this, and that was also positive. Why should people dance in the streets when another out of touch old white guy gets elected? What kind of history is that? What does that signify about the great distance our society has come in just forty years? We elected the man who showed the most competence, reliability, and grasp on the issues, and the majority of us didn't let his skin color get in the way.

Heres the bottom line: Obama stands for everything Hillary Clinton, a candidate you supported, stood for. Obama, despite his "inexperience" ran a much more competent and successful campaign than McCain (a candidate that you supported who stands for the exact opposite of what Clinton stands for, the candidate you originally supported). Its easy to say that if McCain can't run a campaign as good as Obama, he sure as hell can't run an entire country as well as Obama.

It's obvious that competence or issues wasn't the reason you switched to McCain. It seems much more obvious that you didn't vote for Obama because he was black than us voting for him solely because of his blackness.

Pot calling the kettle racist.

[cue robmoney addressing only the part where i say racist and ignoring everything else i typed.]

[yeahwho]

Pot calling the kettle racist.

[cue robmoney addressing only the part where i say racist and ignoring everything else i typed.]

excellent observation.

That is why this thread is offensive (Now that all the parades and parties are over... ...and it's clear that most of you voted for Obama primarily because of his race), he is saying the only reason any of us voted for Obama is because he is black, he is calling the Obama voters, clearly the majority of US citizens racist.

Somehow I cannot get around the fact that that is fucked up.

Which is why I find this thread the most offensive thread I've ever seen here on the BBMB. I wouldn't want to censor it, I think it needs to be seen at face value for what it is.

[yeahwho]

I like how Rob has gotten us to defend ourselves and rationalise our vote for Obama yet he doesn't feel the need to defend his racist remarks and outright bullshit he spouted over the last year and a half...

So I'll just get used to

I have no voter remorse, people like Rob can kiss my ass. I want my country back. We're going to get it back. What are Robs answers, more fear?