Obama to sit down with McCain next week. Speculation abounds

[RobMoney$]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/14/obama-meet-mccain-monday/


President-elect Barack Obama plans to sit down with John McCain Monday in what could be the first step toward burying the hatchet after their bitter election campaign -- but could also be Obama's overture toward building his so-called team of rivals.
Analysts and aides doubt Obama would take the extraordinary step of offering an administration post to McCain. But the president-elect has spoken of his desire to build a bipartisan Cabinet -- and some wonder whether he would want, at the least, to leave the door open for McCain to provide military advice or to offer suggestions for Republican Cabinet members in the new administration.
With speculation building that Obama is leaning toward Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state, the president-elect seems to be trying to give the impression that he is building a post-partisan, post-political administration.
"He's clearly read Goodwin's book," said Michael Steele, former Maryland lieutenant governor who is running for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee, referring to Doris Kearns Goodwin's "Team of Rivals" about President Lincoln's administration. "He's trying to model that for his administration."
Obama and McCain plan to meet at at Obama's Chicago transition office Monday, along with Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a McCain confidant, and Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel, whom Obama has chosen to be his White House chief of staff.
"I think Obama is seeking ... counsel from both Senator McCain and Senator Lindsay Graham as to, potentially, which Republican do you think would be a good fit," Steele said.
Obama has struck a bipartisan tone since winning the election on November 4. He paired a Republican and a Democrat to meet with foreign leaders this weekend on his behalf in Washington, and his aides emphasized the bringing together of both sides in announcing the meeting with McCain.
Obama has also been reaching out to former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, following his bitter Democratic primary fight with the New York senator. Obama has surrounded himself with several former Clinton administration staffers, and he is considering naming Hillary Clinton as his secretary of state. Others who are thought to be under consideration are Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who is a Republican.
"I think Barack Obama ran on being bipartisan. He said he would reach across the aisle and now the onus is on him to do something," Republican strategist Andrea Tantaros said. The Monday meeting with McCain is a good start, she said.
Jeremy Mayer, professor of public policy at George Mason University, said "there's a good chance" Obama will ask McCain about potential Republican appointees, particularly on matters of national security and foreign policy.
"I think Obama would be smart to at least give the impression that he's bipartisan, and that he is putting nation ahead of party," he said.
Mayer said Obama would be wise to seek McCain's recommendations for Defense Department posts, from secretary on down. McCain is a Vietnam War veteran, and a former prisoner of war.
"These types of meetings are not unprecedented," Mayer said, noting that President John F. Kennedy met with Richard Nixon shortly after his 1960 victory. Kennedy afterward appointed several Republicans to administration posts.
So would McCain be one of those Republicans?
"I doubt that he'd be considering [McCain] for an administration role," said political historian Michael Barone. "Do you really want a maverick from the other party in your administration?"
Barone, too, said Obama should solicit McCain's suggestions for military leaders.
"George W. Bush did not do that consistently. I think it's something that's fairly hard," Barone said. "It's not like Obama's had much time to learn anything about the military."
Since the election, McCain has had few public appearances. He appeared on the "Tonight Show" with Jay Leno on Tuesday and campaigned in Georgia for Sen. Saxby Chambliss, who faces a runoff next month. His Monday meeting will be his first with Obama since Election Day.
"It's well known that they share an important belief that Americans want and deserve a more effective and efficient government, and will discuss ways to work together to make that a reality," Obama spokesman Stephanie Cutter said in announcing the meeting.


I don't understand why Obama would be interested in what McCain had to say about foreign policy or military strategy?
They have almost completely opposite views on how to handle the wars we're in now as well as differing views on foreign policy.
I mean isn't that sort of the reason people choose him over McCain in the first place?

Perhaps having seen the pile of shit he's getting into, he's decided to give the presidency to McCain and run again in 4 years.


Anyone have any thoughts on what this could be all about?

[King PSYZ]

I dont think he's going to be assigned to a dept of defense position, not a chance in hell actually.

But I wouldn't be suprised if he was named to head the DHS or used in another capacity. While he has a military background, he also is completly counter to Obama on use of the military.

I think it's genius, what better way to PROVE country first by actually putting country first and hiring who he belives to be the best for the position despite political party or maybe even in spite of it.

[Laver1969]

I'd be surprised if Obama selected McCain for any special-type positions. I see this meeting as an official bury the hatchet from the election meeting. And the president-elect saying to McCain that he will be looking to all members of house and senate to step up and get the country back on track.

I see it as a warm and fuzzy political move. Extend the olive branch...but that's about it.

[kaiser soze]

So if mccain agrees then he is paling around with people who pal around with terrorists and this my friends is how asswipes forget so quickly the shit they say about other people.

I think it is a professional and mature gesture, reaching across the aisle as you will.

I don't see the big issue?

[QueenAdrock]

Bill Clinton appointed people and looked for advice from people who didn't share the same opinions as him. He wanted all the people to have a voice and have a say on government, not just his followers. I thought that made his administration work, unlike the current one who listens only to those who agree with what they want and silences those who don't. People voted for change, and this move of trying to unite different opinions WOULD be a change from what we've seen for the past 8 years.

It's okay to praise Obama for reaching across the aisle if you praised McCain for doing it, too.

[Bob]

Anyone have any thoughts on what this could be all about?

i think that having seen the pile of shit he's getting into, he's decided to give the presidency to McCain and run again in 4 years.

[Documad]

I'd be surprised if Obama selected McCain for any special-type positions. I see this meeting as an official bury the hatchet from the election meeting. And the president-elect saying to McCain that he will be looking to all members of house and senate to step up and get the country back on track.

I see it as a warm and fuzzy political move. Extend the olive branch...but that's about it.
I agree. It's a class move and a sign of maturity. It shows that he wasn't bullshitting.

And if old McCain reappears now, old McCain could be helpful in the senate. Old McCain and Lieberman vowed not to filibuster presidential appointees because of political considerations. Thus they should now vote with the democratic majority to shut down filibusters of Obama's appointees. Old McCain also favored immigration reform.

[yeahwho]

I'm through speculating, I bet they just use regular upholstered chairs.

[RobMoney$]

So if mccain agrees then he is paling around with people who pal around with terrorists and this my friends is how asswipes forget so quickly the shit they say about other people.


I don't see why you need to be such an asshole, but I'll respond in kind.

There's a difference between having to work with people of questionable character (like McCain is doing with Obama, as you're accusing) and choosing one as your spiritual leader (Rev. Wright and Pfleger).

If you're inspired by Obama using McCain for a fucking photo op. with the intent of creating a little positive press as proof of "Change" than you're even a bigger blind follwer than I thought.
Confering with people of the other party is nothing new, hell I'm sure practically every politician does it to a certain degree. I know how eager you are to heap praise on Obama, but how about you wait until he actually does something that's worthy of it first.
LOL @ "Look! He's reaching across the aisle, just like he said he would. I feel so inspired"

Give me a break.

[ms.peachy]

I know how eager you are to heap praise on Obama, but how about you wait until he actually does something that's worthy of it first.


But by the same token, why can you not wait until he's actually, like, president, before cynically attacking every perceived move the guy makes? I'm not saying you should be all kinds of in love with him, but I just don't understand why you can't take the attitude of "OK, he's not the candidate I backed, but let's sit back a bit and see how this goes for a month or so" (bearing in mind that he is not even in the job yet).

Maybe I'm wrong, but from the way you post here, it just seems like you are not even remotely open to the idea that he could possible do a halfway decent job.

[yeahwho]

But by the same token, why can you not wait until he's actually, like, president, before cynically attacking every perceived move the guy makes?

Sometimes folks just can't get a green light, even though John McCain has joined Obama on Bills previously, such as the highly touted Obama/McCain Transparency act (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Federal_Funding_Accountability_and _Transparency_Act), many folks just think they hate each other or one of them is weak and must use the other for the lack of strength or knowledge to understand the big spooky world. Neither guy needs that sort of fantasy help, real work is what will be required.

It's bullshit, these guys are working for us. They're going to be pretty fucking busy the next few years as the number of people getting fucked just climbs on a daily basis. Bush is, was and continues to be a nightmare.

The election is over, but cheap bi-partisan shots seem to never stop. Busines is going to be far from usual, especially if you think the past eight years was usual.

[RobMoney$]

Maybe I'm wrong, but from the way you post here, it just seems like you are not even remotely open to the idea that he could possible do a halfway decent job.


What I post here is only a portion of my actual opinions or feelings about politics. In other words I only post about things I feel like having a discussion about.

Posting support of Obama on here is kind of redundant. As Qdrop so eloquently put it, this place is one big liberal circle-jerk.
Do you guys really need another pro-Obama opinion to join your circle-jerk?

I'm only going to bother wasting my online time discussing topics that have some teeth to them. I try to be punk rock about my political posting.

[kaiser soze]

I don't see why you need to be such an asshole, but I'll respond in kind.



Resorting to name calling over this? How mature of you robmoney. Your children must be proud.

[King PSYZ]

What I post here is only a portion of my actual opinions or feelings about politics. In other words I only post about things I feel like having a discussion about.

Posting support of Obama on here is kind of redundant. As Qdrop so eloquently put it, this place is one big liberal circle-jerk.
Do you guys really need another pro-Obama opinion to join your circle-jerk?

I'm only going to bother wasting my online time discussing topics that have some teeth to them. I try to be punk rock about my political posting.

you are so far from punk rock it's not even funny anymore, I'm fairly sure all the punk political activist would agree considering your GOP leanings.

[RobMoney$]

Resorting to name calling over this? How mature of you robmoney. Your children must be proud.


Oh for christ's sake would you get real.
And all I did was respond in kind to your name calling, who were you calling an "asswipe"?
Using my kids to throw in front of your argument is pretty shitty yo.

[Documad]

Sometimes folks just can't get a green light, even though John McCain has joined Obama on Bills previously, such as the highly touted Obama/McCain Transparency act (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Federal_Funding_Accountability_and _Transparency_Act), many folks just think they hate each other or one of them is weak and must use the other for the lack of strength or knowledge to understand the big spooky world. Neither guy needs that sort of fantasy help, real work is what will be required.

It's bullshit, these guys are working for us. They're going to be pretty fucking busy the next few years as the number of people getting fucked just climbs on a daily basis. Bush is, was and continues to be a nightmare.


Good point. In my job, I frequently have to battle hard against another person on one day and work side by side with him the next day toward a common goal. I have to try to get along with some HUGE assholes. It's got to be even more common in a job like being US Senator. Look at the strange coalitions Ted Kennedy has built!

Having said that, I can't imagine trying to get along with someone who impugned my character. That's not debate and it's not business. It's gross. McCain attacked Obama's character and allowed others to do the same and the allegations were false. I'm impressed the Obama can set that aside for the good of the country. It would be really difficult for me.

Despite the shitty attacks, we need to remember that our country is split nearly 50/50 in political parties, but not over wanting to further our common goals. I've been impressed with comments of some fairly minor republican elected officials since the election. I have some common interests with them but I'll have to wait and see whether they can assume any degree of control over their party. There seems to be room for Obama to make some interesting coalitions on a variety of issues.

[kaiser soze]

Oh for christ's sake would you get real.
And all I did was respond in kind to your name calling, who were you calling an "asswipe"?
Using my kids to throw in front of your argument is pretty shitty yo.

I'm sorry...I forgot you had the exclusive rights to name calling around here, how immature of me.

Using my kids to throw in front of your argument is pretty shitty yo.

No it's not...I didn't say anything vulgar towards them

It says something about the way you view yourself if you took the "asswipe" statement personally. I was referring to the people who were running a campaign based on calling their opponent a terrorist. Oh well, I'm happy it offended YOU.

I'm done being nice robmoney, you are a pussy not punk rock. You choose to be politically correct when it only benefits you, you attack other people when you can't find an argument but wuss up when someone offends you.

If you don't like the circle jerk go somewhere else. This forum is on a site owned by a liberal music group, what the fuck do you expect?

Here's a place you can if you're sick of the "circle jerk"

www.freerepublic.com

go fuck a cow

[abcdefz]

Obama to sit down with McCain next week. Speculation abounds



they're just trying out office furiniture. Nothing to see here; move along.

[yeahwho]

Good point. In my job, I frequently have to battle hard against another person on one day and work side by side with him the next day toward a common goal. I have to try to get along with some HUGE assholes. It's got to be even more common in a job like being US Senator. Look at the strange coalitions Ted Kennedy has built.

Thank you for understanding my pre-coffee gibberish.

When divisiveness rules the day for a good solid 3 months, it's time for change. I actually believe (perhaps naively) McCain would be doing the same sort of meeting if he had won.

I will probably never look at McCain in the same light as I did before his attack ads on Obama began, but Obama is smart enough to understand the significance of leadership in an entirely fresh way.

[RobMoney$]

I'm sorry...I forgot you had the exclusive rights to name calling around here, how immature of me.

Just sayin'. You started the name calling and then acted like some victim, so if anyone's a pussy...

No it's not...I didn't say anything vulgar towards them

It says something about the way you view yourself if you took the "asswipe" statement personally. I was referring to the people who were running a campaign based on calling their opponent a terrorist. Oh well, I'm happy it offended YOU.

It didn't offend me, I just thought it was unneccessary and thought the best way to reply would be to give it right back to you. You start out calling people "asswipes" and then get offended when someone calls you an asswipe back. You're kind of a drama queen, aren't you.

I'm done being nice robmoney, you are a pussy not punk rock. You choose to be politically correct when it only benefits you, you attack other people when you can't find an argument but wuss up when someone offends you.

You're done being nice? LOL. If calling people "asswipes" in your initial post in this thread is your way of being nice then you're obviously confused in life. I belittle people ONLY when they belittle me first. Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect in return. Ask Documad. She's disagreed with me often, but has never treated me with disrespect, and I in turn treat her with respect.

If you don't like the circle jerk go somewhere else. This forum is on a site owned by a liberal music group, what the fuck do you expect?

So you only want people who share the same opinion as you and the Beasties to post?
How completely open-minded of you.

Here's a place you can if you're sick of the "circle jerk"

www.freerepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com)

go fuck a cow

You're obviously one of those people who like to dish it out, but can't take it.
Hope that works out well for ya (y)

[DroppinScience]

What I post here is only a portion of my actual opinions or feelings about politics. In other words I only post about things I feel like having a discussion about.

Posting support of Obama on here is kind of redundant. As Qdrop so eloquently put it, this place is one big liberal circle-jerk.
Do you guys really need another pro-Obama opinion to join your circle-jerk?

I'm only going to bother wasting my online time discussing topics that have some teeth to them. I try to be punk rock about my political posting.

Wait, so if you have any well thought out, rational and reasonable opinions that involve critical thinking skills and are based off of facts, you're not going to share them with us?

So nice to know you save all the half-baked, obnoxious, and irrational opinions with the rest of us. We should feel so lucky.

[RobMoney$]

Have a look in the mirror there douchey.
Obnoxious will be staring right back at you.

BTW, that was a response to Ms. Peachy so butt out.
If I was interested in what you're opinion was, I'd quote and respond to you.

[DroppinScience]

Have a look in the mirror there douchey.
Obnoxious will be staring right back at you.

BTW, that was a response to Ms. Peachy so butt out.
If I was interested in what you're opinion was, I'd quote and respond to you.

It's "your."

And like I said in the other thread, make it a PM instead if you don't want me responding to your oh so precious conversations.

[RobMoney$]

Your a nerd

[QueenAdrock]

I belittle people ONLY when they belittle me first.

Do you honestly believe that? I mean, I never had anything against you, and then wake up one day to find this waiting for me on the message board:
http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1554495&postcount=20

I dare you to find a post before that where I even mention your name.

Oh, wait, I interrupted. I'm sorry. Carry on.

[Bob]

Your a nerd

remember that time you bitched at yeahwho for getting "your" and "you're" mixed up, and then i called you out on correcting people's grammar when your own grammar is awful, and you got all indignant?

yeah...

[yeahwho]

remember that time you bitched at yeahwho for getting "your" and "you're" mixed up, and then i called you out on correcting people's grammar when your own grammar is awful, and you got all indignant?

yeah...

lol, a "pet peeve" and finally a smidgen of recognition, all negative but WTF?

And you'd think it would sort of all cool down now that the presidential election is over and the president elect is preparing for office. There is no sinister underbelly, there is no ulterior agenda, there is no right wing speaking points. We have a president elect reaching out and trying his best to really make a go of this mess. I'm very humbled by his initial goodwill and also impressed by an actual diplomat working his way to the highest office on the planet earth.

Associated Press writer Calvin Woodward speaks with Doris Kearns Goodwin, author of Team of Rivals:The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln (http://www.doriskearnsgoodwin.com/)

President-elect Obama reaches out to former rivals (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_TEAM_OF_RIVALS?SITE=MOSTP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

"I think it reflects a great inner strength on Obama's part that he is seriously considering creating a team of rivals as Lincoln did," Goodwin told The Associated Press on Friday.

"By surrounding himself with people who bring different perspectives, he will increase his options, absorb dissenting views and heighten his ability to speak empathetically to people on different sides of each issue. The challenge, of course, is to ensure that the discussions do not become paralyzing, and that once a decision is made the inner circle accepts that the time for debate is over," she said.

Goodwin says a true team of rivals is exceptionally difficult to make work in these days of hyperpartisanship, scandal-hungry blogs and raw feelings between parties and factions of the same party from the often nasty campaign. Disharmony in Lincoln's Cabinet was largely kept inside the meetings, exposed years later in memoirs, and that's not how the world works anymore.

Still, she said the even-keeled Obama displayed a temperament in the campaign that could help him pull it off.

"And I believe the country would respond with great enthusiasm, recognizing the great contrast to recent times."

Obama invited dissent in his election night victory speech, promising, "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree."

[RobMoney$]

remember that time you bitched at yeahwho for getting "your" and "you're" mixed up, and then i called you out on correcting people's grammar when your own grammar is awful, and you got all indignant?

yeah...


I misspelled it once. Homey used to misspell it on a daily basis.
Maybe I should have just allowed him to continue to be ignorant of his mistake?

[kaiser soze]

You're obviously one of those people who like to dish it out, but can't take it.
Hope that works out well for ya (y)

You're obviously one of those people who can't get it through their thick skull

I already told you who I called an asswipe, what did I dish?

When did I belittle you first? You saw the opportunity to call me an asshole, you wanted to instigate conflict. Once again you have started it as usual and then blame others first....talk about not being able to take it.

Look at all the replies calling you out....our truly believe we are collectively insane

Talk about thick as fuck

[Tone Capone]

You're obviously one of those people who can't get it through their thick skull

I already told you who I called an asswipe, what did I dish?

When did I belittle you first? You saw the opportunity to call me an asshole, you wanted to instigate conflict. Once again you have started it as usual and then blame others first....talk about not being able to take it.

Look at all the replies calling you out....our truly believe we are collectively insane

Talk about thick as fuck


You hit the nail directly on the head.

[RobMoney$]

I don't see why you need to be such an asshole, but I'll respond in kind.


Yes, this is the quote that has your panties in a bunch, right?
So you're saying I instigated it. Clearly I'm picking a fight with you.

Do you understand what "I'll respond" means? That means I'm responding to something YOU said, not instigating anything.
And it doesn't matter whether you called me an asswipe or the people on McCain's staff. You don't get to go around insulting people and then get offended when someone RESPONDS to you with the same insult. That's being a PUSSY. and before you start getting ofended about that, I'll point out that it's also something you called me directly, FIRST!

Pussy.

[ms.peachy]

What I post here is only a portion of my actual opinions or feelings about politics. In other words I only post about things I feel like having a discussion about.

Posting support of Obama on here is kind of redundant. As Qdrop so eloquently put it, this place is one big liberal circle-jerk.
Do you guys really need another pro-Obama opinion to join your circle-jerk?

I'm only going to bother wasting my online time discussing topics that have some teeth to them. I try to be punk rock about my political posting.

Well, you know, that's your right, I suppose. I find that a bit disappointing, though. OK look, I get that this is the internet, and we are all projecting only the parts of ourselves here that we choose to. The thing is though that my choice is that when I talk about how I think and feel in this space, I don't hold back opinions or only say certain things for the sake of engineering the conversation a certain way. I'm not saying that that's the only 'right' way to be or that you are wrong for choosing for yourself more of a polemicist role, only that I tend to assume that because I am being open with people about what I think just because I am interested in the exchange of ideas, it's disappointing to me when I find out others aren't. I'm not naive - like I said, I know it's the internet and we are all self-editing to some extent. But if I understand correctly what you are saying, it's basically that you post more or less solely for the sake of challenging the status quo, and that even if you might agree with some of the things other people with whom you routinely are in conflict are saying, you would not say so in this forum, because it detracts from the specific image you are trying to create.

And hey, as I say, that is your right. Look, I have no problem with people being provocative, and challenging the opinions of others - heaven knows I have done it myself here and pissed off a few people along the way. But I do feel that I don't take contrary positions for the sake of it, and that when someone with whom I am disagreeing makes a valid point, that I can acknowledge it without diminishing my own position, because that's the appropriate thing to do if one is hoping to engage in meaningful dialogue. So I'm going to have to assume then that meaningful dialogue is simply not your intention here, and that's fine, there's no law that says it has to be. It certainly makes me wary of engaging in future discussions with you, because now I know that we are not working towards the same end, so what's the point?

[RobMoney$]

Yeah, I'll admit I do like playing devil's advocate on here for the sake of stirring some meaningful dialogue, but at the same time I don't post things I don't believe in just for the hell of it.

I mean are you really interested in a forum full of Obamatons? Would you all prefer I just come here and quote others ideas and respond with a (y)?
That brings absolutely no value at all to this forum.

Like I said, I have no hard feelings about Obama winning, I fully expected him to win and I do hope I'm wrong about my concerns about him.

I'm not above acknowledging when Obama does something I agree with. I have posted positive comments about him during the campaigns and I'm sure I'll post positively about him in the future.
And just to be clear, it wasn't my intent to criticize Obama at all with this thread, but unfortunetly most of my threads turn into a pissing match because most of the people here are liberal Obama supporters and I'm not.

[yeahwho]

Yeah, I'll admit I do like playing devil's advocate on here for the sake of stirring some meaningful dialogue, but at the same time I don't post things I don't believe in just for the hell of it.

I mean are you really interested in a forum full of Obamatons? Would you all prefer I just come here and quote others ideas and respond with a (y)?
That brings absolutely no value at all to this forum.

Like I said, I have no hard feelings about Obama winning, I fully expected him to win and I do hope I'm wrong about my concerns about him.

I'm not above acknowledging when Obama does something I agree with. I have posted positive comments about him during the campaigns and I'm sure I'll post positively about him in the future.
And just to be clear, it wasn't my intent to criticize Obama at all with this thread, but unfortunetly most of my threads turn into a pissing match because most of the people here are liberal Obama supporters and I'm not.

Obamaton's? What were our choices Rob? McCain and Palin? Some third party road to nowhere? This election was a railroad and the citizens just happened to get lucky with a candidate who is willing to go the lengths necessary to reach out and speak with his political foes. He may seem as an empty suit to you, but to millions of Americans he is a sign of hope, real hope.

I may not be as euphoric as everybody who supported Obama, but I certainly have no voter remorse. He was the clear choice for the democratic party, he has now won and as I read the newspapers daily, he is heading into a maelstrom of a pure unregulated shit created by the Bush administration.

[Randetica]

yeah, think of rob whatever you want but you got to admit that this forum wouldnt be AS entertaining without him

[DroppinScience]

yeah, think of rob whatever you want but you got to admit that this forum wouldnt be AS entertaining without him

Entertaining, sure. But it feels like our collective IQ takes a hit with the level of discussion.

[RobMoney$]

Oh Brett, who among us can compare to your IQ?
We bask in the glow of your bright, beaming intelligence

[Randetica]

Entertaining, sure. But it feels like our collective IQ takes a hit with the level of discussion.

but atleast he got a spine!

[RobMoney$]

This place is crazy Randi,

It reminds me of that Seinfeld (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtUv97YFco&feature=related) where Kramer didn't want to wear the ribbon, accept I have to support Obama.,



"WHO? WHO doesn't want to support the Obama? I guess we jus going to have to teach him support the Obama."

Lambert=the gay latino guy
Kramer=me (accept he would never kick my ass)

[yeahwho]

yeah, think of rob whatever you want but you got to admit that this forum wouldnt be AS entertaining without him

but atleast he got a spine!

I like Rob just fine, he still is a great insight into... well, I used to think it might be the republican mindset, now I just think it's the "anti-obama" mindset.

Seems like he's just throwing crap up on the wall waiting for it to stick, so he can have a "Told ya so" moment. If only the vitriol were aimed at the current administration which continues to try and royally fuck us, he would have plenty od "Told ya so" moments.

He's not alone though, many great minds are converging (for a small fee) and communicating this same brilliant mindset, welcome to Secure our dream.com (http://www.secureourdream.com/index.html).

[Bob]

This place is crazy Randi,

It reminds me of that Seinfeld (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtUv97YFco&feature=related) where Kramer didn't want to wear the ribbon, accept I have to support Obama.,



"WHO? WHO doesn't want to support the Obama? I guess we jus going to have to teach him support the Obama."

Lambert=the gay latino guy
Kramer=me (accept he would never kick my ass)

it's not that you don't support obama, it's that you're a tool about it