why do people hate tom cruise so much?

[b i o n i c]

i don't get it. so he a scientologist, so what. hating him for that seems wrong to me. so he's opinionated, so is oprah. so he's a little odd, so is madonna. some people say he's closet gay, which i don't really believe, but if he is - he's protecting his income/enterprise by staying in the closet. is this reason to hate the guy? i don't get it

i don't remember hearing about him killing anyone, i've never heard of him harming anyone. he doesnt go around showing his vagina to everyone. he doesn't sloshing about in front of cameras.

ps. gwyneth paltrow.

pps wait has someone made this thread already?

[MC Moot]

I hate on Madonna and Oprah just as much so I'm not the cat to ask...they're all creepy megalomaniacs...

[camo]

There's something that's so sterile and fake about him it just gives a creepy angle that people dislike

[checkyourprez]

i think it was the whole molestation scandal.

[b i o n i c]

i think it was the whole molestation scandal.
?

who in hollywood isnt sterile and fake?

and people LOVE madonna and oprah, they get love. i can't stand madonna.

[camo]

Well yeah, but to his degree?

Plus all of the schmaltz with him and Katie Holmes is a bit over done. It's too much like a deflection that he is indeed a massive bummer

Just look at love Top Gun it's like recruitment video for the local YMCA.

[YoungRemy]

he ran his own career in the ground by distancing himself from the ones who helped make him famous.

other Scientologists aren't as vocal as he is, and in the process, he became the mouthpiece (and one of the highest ranking members) of scientology.

he publicly villified Brooke Shields for taking medication for postpartum depression. he took it upon himself to diagnose her medical condition and recommend to anyone who would listen to him.

he has had numerous public meltdowns/controversies and this has only helped the media sensationalize everything that he is about.

he's shady. he is a manipulative control freak with a little man complex.


but he was so good in Magnolia.

[mikizee]

He called psychiatary 'psuedo-science'....

Yeah, cos LRH's Dianetics isn't psuedo science at all, is it.

No, its not. :rolleyes:

[saz]

he ran his own career in the ground by distancing himself from the ones who helped make him famous.

other Scientologists aren't as vocal as he is, and in the process, he became the mouthpiece (and one of the highest ranking members) of scientology.

he publicly villified Brooke Shields for taking medication for postpartum depression. he took it upon himself to diagnose her medical condition and recommend to anyone who would listen to him.

he has had numerous public meltdowns/controversies and this has only helped the media sensationalize everything that he is about.

he's shady. he is a manipulative control freak with a little man complex.


but he was so good in Magnolia.

spot on. plus he's an obnoxious, arrogant douche who sabotaged katie holmes' previous relationship, blackballed her exboyfriend, brainwashed her into becoming a zombie follower of the murderous cult he belongs to, and now pretty much controls her.

[b i o n i c]

he ran his own career in the ground by distancing himself from the ones who helped make him famous.
its a business. do you mean how viacom helped make him famous? boo-hoo sumner redstone.

other Scientologists aren't as vocal as he is, and in the process, he became the mouthpiece (and one of the highest ranking members) of scientology.
so he's vocal about what he believes in, people can just disagree. i find it admirable that he would stand for that despite the potential dangers in doing so. he's also probably one of the richest, becoming a leader is kind of by default, no?

he publicly villified Brooke Shields for taking medication for postpartum depression. he took it upon himself to diagnose her medical condition and recommend to anyone who would listen to him.
he didnt diagnose her, he was repeating what he believes in, what many non-religious natural living people believe in. there are a lot of people who don't believe in psychiatry. that was odd. but again, opinion. its not like he called her a bad person/mother. he basically said he doesnt believe in drugs, i think. i think they made up after some clarification.

he has had numerous public meltdowns/controversies and this has only helped the media sensationalize everything that he is about.
the one i remember is him jumping on the couch. weirdo, yes. asshole, not so sure.

he's shady. he is a manipulative control freak with a little man complex.
opinion propagated by the media.

but he was so good in Magnolia.
he was also very good in tropic thunder

he's one of the most powerful dudes in hollywood. he may've become too powerful and independant for the powers that be in hollywood. the same hollywood that propagates the hate for him. i get the feeling that whether or not the above is true and whether or not we;re talking about him or someone else, hollywood would find a way to cut down that person. like i said, he is odd and opinionated, but is he really as bad as he's made out to be

how ya been jer? hows cali treatin you. long time no speak

[camo]

Bionic, are you Tom Cruises PA? :D

[YoungRemy]

its a business. do you mean how viacom helped make him famous? boo-hoo sumner redstone.

yes re the Paramount split but moreso I am focusing on when he fired his sister, his long-time publicist and went in a new direction. this all happened fairly quickly earlier this decade. He wasn't the source of controversy, say 9 or 10 years ago.

it was when he took the drastic change in direction when his image went down the tubes. the answer to why people hate him is because he failed to keep his All-American movie star image and went down the path of enlightened scientologist.

they believe what they believe, more power to them, sure.

but they are going to alienate themselves in the process. (ZING!)

Scientology is crazy nuts out here, they own so much real estate and have members in all aspects of show business, chambers of commerce, community relations, etc...

[b i o n i c]

Bionic, are you Tom Cruises PA? :D

im tom cruises gay lover(y) whoops did i say that?

(im just curious, esp about the whole power structure thing)


yr: in ny, hanging out in the subways giving out 'stress tests' is as far as that goes. maybe them getting so big in la speaks to my point, re: power structure

[taquitos]

i have this poster (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/allrightmoves.jpg) over my bed

[Myu-to]

i have this poster (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/allrightmoves.jpg) over my bed
HAHAHA...

The damn thing rhymes. Tom may not be gay, but that poster sure is.

[saz]

Scientology is crazy nuts out here, they own so much real estate and have members in all aspects of show business, chambers of commerce, community relations, etc...

and it's a murderous cult (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU).

[Nygel]

i like him in tropic thunder

but he only has one character:
Tom Cruise.

He plays Tom Cruise great, but I'm tired of seeing Tom Cruise in different situations. Pilot, NASCAR driver, running from aliens, whatever, i just don't like him as an actor cuz i don't think he is very good.

but he's also half a prick.

[roosta]

i don't hate him, i think he's grand.

[Audio.]

he does run a lot in his movies.

[Elusive]

every time you say tom cruise a puppy explodes.

[trailerprincess]

I liked him until the whole Holmes thing, jumping on the sofa and proclaiming his undying love to randomers.

I am suspicious of his motives and his eyebrows. And perhaps his teeth.

[funk63]

I dont waste emotions on people Ive never met.

[b i o n i c]

stanley kubrick liked him a lot.

[Echewta]

he had penelope cruz and forever I shall be jealous.

[Randetica]

no, he had nicole kidman that fucking ape

[Documad]

I hated him starting with Risky Business--actually maybe with Endless Love or Taps. I never like big goofy teen heartthrob types and that started with Risky Business. He kept making movies where he had the snide smile. I hated Top Gun. God, how I hated Top Gun.

Having said that, he was good in Rain Man even though I didn't like the movie-- he was much better than Dustin Hoffman who had the easier role. He was good in A Few Good Men and I really enjoyed that movie. He gets points with me for making some good choices and getting movies made that turned out pretty good. I like his choices and his movies 100 times more than Tom Hanks' choices and movies. God, Tom Hanks is overrated.

I think what he did to Brooke Shields was simply horrible. I think that Scientology isn't a religion that can be compared to mainstream religions. It bothers me that it seems like the people in life (including Will Smith) seem to get sucked into it.

And I will never understand the deal with Nicole Kidman. He divorced his much older wife. Then he hooked up with Nicole even though it seemed like she was in it just for her career. But he apparently dumped her via phone from a foreign country moments before the prenup was going to trigger a big payout to her? I don't know what's true and what's rumor but something really smells there.

But here's the thing. Nicole is icky. She recently made comments about how she finally had a reason to live because she has that Aussie country singer. Then she gave interviews where she said that giving birth finally gave her a purpose in life. What the fuck do her two older kids think about that? EWW. To Tom's credit, US Magazine always has photos of Tom and Katie at the kids' soccer games. :p

P.S. I've ALWAYS hated Madonna. I'm on the fence about Oprah. I hate her ego but she does some good stuff.

[Elusive]

why stop hating at tom cruise?
just hate people.

[jabumbo]

SHOW ME THE MONEY, JERRY

[kleptomaniac]

i like tom cruise in tropic thunder. and rain man, but only because he and dustin hoffman are really cute in it together. but i'd probably think the same thing if his character were played by anyone else, so yeah.

besides being a horrible actor, there's just something about the guy that makes me wanna punch him in the face.

yeah...

I like his choices and his movies 100 times more than Tom Hanks' choices and movies. God, Tom Hanks is overrated.

really?!!

tom hanks is one of my favorite actors, i think he's...amazing. :o

[Elusive]

or as he is known in prison, tom shanks

[Randetica]

a tom hanks movie isnt a tom hanks movie without tom hanks

[Myu-to]

a tom hanks movie isnt a tom hanks movie without tom hanks
That is the smartest thing that you have ever said.(y)

[Dorothy Wood]

I don't hate tom cruise, I just think he's a weirdo. plenty of people loved the shit out of that guy before he went cuckoo bananas over katie holmes and started spewing out scientology rhetoric.

why are you thinking about it so hard anyway? he's a douche.


personally I never really thought he was that attractive when he was a heartthrob in the 80's. I didn't like his hair, and his features were probably too masculine for me back then. I liked christian slater and corey haim and jason batemen and matthew broderick and kirk cameron. I had a mega crush on chad allen.

I agree with documad on nicole kidman too. she is totally creepy. I don't understand why her look is so severe these days. she used to be so cute! now she's like a living mannequin. she gives me the heebie jeebies. great actress though. (y)

[b i o n i c]

why are you thinking about it so hard anyway? he's a douche.

i had a feeling you'd come around with some smart ass remark at me.

[b i o n i c]

I think what he did to Brooke Shields was simply horrible. I think that Scientology isn't a religion that can be compared to mainstream religions. It bothers me that it seems like the people in life (including Will Smith) seem to get sucked into it.

i aint down with it, but i wouldnt say that. as far as tolerance goes, its no less valid that a religion where you worship a fat golden statue, believe that you're drinking flesh and blood every sunday, or believe you should cut off part of your babies penis because god says so. to each their own

gwyneth paltrow.

[Dorothy Wood]

i had a feeling you'd come around with some smart ass remark at me.


??? are we in a fight that I don't know about?

[b i o n i c]

to answer you're question, im really upset about this because im tom cruise's gay lover - like i said before

[ericlee]

I'm glad I don't read anything about celebs. I prefer to just watch the movies they star in. If they were good in the movie, great.

I've just got my own movie to worry about and I'm the main character. Knowing how many babies brittney has spat out or which celebs are cheating and such doesn't help me to bring home the dough.

And dammit, I still haven't seen Tropic Thunder yet.

[b i o n i c]

im a media buff, im a wannabe peon in the biz myself, im interested in why things are the way they are in the biz, that side of things. and my license place says krooz.

see tropic thunder, good stuffs. its kind of interesting how tom cruise plays some sort of jewish hollywood bigwig in it.

[Schmeltz]

I am not a media or celebrity buff and I couldn't really care less about how these so-called "beautiful people" choose to fuck up their own lives. But having been raised in a socially destructive and personality-sabotaging religion myself, and having fought something of an uphill battle to reconstruct myself and undo the toxic programming to which I was subjected, I find Scientology very troubling, especially since it so readily siezes upon public figures and their associated media exposure as a viciously sinister method of propagating its toxic and detrimental form of mind control. It is unsettling to see someone with the resources and influence available to a celebrity like Tom Cruise (to say nothing of other such people like John Travolta or Katie Holmes) in the grip of the same kind of backwards and twisted mindset that informed the petty and small-minded men who dominated the cultural framework of my childhood and adolescence, and who continue to exert their predatory influence over the well-meaning people who continue to follow their clerically sanctioned indulgences and misdemeanours. Like my family.

Quite frankly this is not the same thing as more traditional modes of belief like Catholicism or Islam. This is not simply another form of belief that people choose to engage for the sake of their souls or salvation or whatever term is appropriate there. This is a monstrously exploitative machine that preys on the ordinary needs and desires of everyday people to feed its own cycle of fantasy and ignorance in a specifically and ruthlessly antisocial and dehumanizing pattern of dominance. This is a darkly sinister and ruthless cult that saps its participants of their personalities and ultimately their lives. Trust me, I have seen this from the inside. I have seen people struggle to reassert themselves against this machine, only to be chewed up and spit out and left to die. It happens all the time.

I don't hate Tom Cruise. I just feel bad for him. He is trapped like a bug in a web, with a giant spider sucking out his insides, and the real tragedy is that he doesn't even know it. Lots of people don't. I have lots to be angry about, but honestly I have more to be grateful for, because if I had missed my chance to see the light I would still be trapped too. It's probably too late for Tom and Co., but it's never too late for the rest of us to see this poison for what it is.

Don't make excuses for it.

[b i o n i c]

sorry to hear that...really. but im most definitely not defending scientology. people do have a right to their opinions and everone is responsible for their own spiritual/nonspiritual path. what religion are you talking about?

and i friggen HATEHATEHATE the blind celebrity worship part of the culture we live in, im pretty sure i've said more than once here.

i took too many naps today, now im wired. i just watched this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3058533428492266222), its amazing. beddy-bye

[Schmeltz]

people do have a right to their opinions and everone is responsible for their own spiritual/nonspiritual path.

Not in Scientology they don't/aren't. It's funny, you're defending Tom Cruise with ideas that don't apply to him and never will. He is actually not in a position to elucidate any individual right to an opinion; this is done for him by his crazy fucked-up cult, which guards the privilege jealously. Tom Cruise is not free to exercise his rights or responsibilities, he is a prisoner for whom this is absolutely forbidden. And here you are pretending that this cancer doesn't exist.

As I said above, you are making a grave mistake by assuming that this wild shit is just like any other opinion or belief system out there. It isn't.

[b i o n i c]

i guess so, you win.

thread die now.

[Randetica]

he is nothing but a sad piece of shit

[Documad]

I loved Tropic Thunder, but I didn't really like Tom Cruise in it. I hate that kind of cameo in general. It reminds me of bad Eddie Murphy roles.

But I loved that movie despite Tom Cruise. I think Tom is much better at serious roles.

[jennyb]

I used to 110% ADORE Katie Holmes until he got his mitts on her. (n)

[Dharma]

Because the world is full of followers...and base their feelings on what other people say.

Personally...I have like most of his movies. What he does in his personal life is his business. His religious beliefs is his business.

The media is sending poor Suri to a physicists by age 10, not Tom Cruise.

[ericlee]

haha, I just watched a Hoveround commercial and found out that the inventor of it's name is Tom Kruse.

[jackrock]

The media is sending poor Suri to a physicists by age 10, not Tom Cruise.

Does she have some kind of mysterious internal magnet or something?

Maybe she's a time traveler.

[Dharma]

Wtf?

[YoungRemy]

Wtf?

are you suggesting that Suri understands the relation between the length of a vibrating string and the musical tone it produces, and how to calculate the length of a rectangle's diagonal?

[roosta]

hahahaha! (y)