shadrach(soul train live)

[pesto pizza]

I've just been on you tube and someone(thankyou) has put the video of shadrach(soul train live) from jan 1990.I've been waiting to see that video for years.

[mate_spawn_die]

wow! that was great!

pardon me if i don't sound beastie fan enough... but those extra rhymes they through in... like the part about adrock never wearing bicycle shorts and something about nintendo... is that from the demos? or was that something special for the show? is there an MP3 of the audio? that would've made a really great extended 12" mix

[Micodin]

wow! that was great!

pardon me if i don't sound beastie fan enough... but those extra rhymes they through in... like the part about adrock never wearing bicycle shorts and something about nintendo... is that from the demos? or was that something special for the show? is there an MP3 of the audio? that would've made a really great extended 12" mix

Just a little something special for the show... and Mr. Don Cornelius.

Props to the YouTube person that posted it!

[Laver1969]

Excellent!!! Was it just me or did it seem like they were lip-synching a previously recorded live track? Like they recorded a version earlier in the day and then lip-synched for the show.

Or was it just the shitty audio and video on youtube?

Anyway you slice it though, that is a great piece of Beastie History right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhDi4lJpbYw

[acamus]

Oh yeah! Thanks for posting this great artifact!

[Kid Presentable]

sick as fuck

[Kid Presentable]

Excellent!!! Was it just me or did it seem like they were lip-synching a previously recorded live track? Like they recorded a version earlier in the day and then lip-synched for the show.

Or was it just the shitty audio and video on youtube?

Anyway you slice it though, that is a great piece of Beastie History right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhDi4lJpbYw

you wouldn't let them dudes on live. they'd talk into their own mics at the end otherwise.

[paul jones]

the presenter guy should read the news or something,it's be more entertaining

fuckin great clippity clop(y)

[Micodin]

"Performers who appear on Soul Train generally lip-sync their songs to its recorded version, though several have chosen to sing their songs live. Each guest usually performs twice on each program; after their first number, they are joined by the program host on-stage for a brief interview."

- Wikipedia

[cAm]

CLASSIC!!

[pm0ney]

What the fuck is Adrock wearing a Yankees jersey for? :mad:

edit: Whoa! Haha, I'm loving this shit their doing in the middle here. "Basketball is my favorite sport, and you'll never catch me wearin bicycle shorts!" Awesome.

[Laver1969]

I'd love to see what the Beasties and MMM could do with this song on the next tour. I think it's time to put this one back into rotation.

[Kid Presentable]

They should just release that Don Cornelius song already.

@Micodin: They probably just recorded the live vocals that day, like they do on (some) award show performances, and lip-synched over that. It's pretty clearly not the album vocal nor instrumental.

[RobMoney$]

What the fuck is Adrock wearing a Yankees jersey for? :mad:


Since when did the Yankees start wearing Blue and Orange?

1970 Knicks Warm-up (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.onlinesports.com/images/mn-kni70h-jkt.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.onlinesports.com/pages/I,MN-KJNK70HTM.html&usg=__T8LbrixjOedTsDFORX2n58g7AC8=&h=117&w=216&sz=29&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=tXRqa3vGzUtokM:&tbnh=58&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1970%2Bknicks%2Bwarm%2Bup%26um%3D1%26 hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26sa%3DG)

[Mr. Smacktackle]

fantastic! thanks!

[Micodin]

I'd love to see what the Beasties and MMM could do with this song on the next tour. I think it's time to put this one back into rotation.

I asked Mike D. to play Shadrach at the Philadelphia Gala Event Show, and I believe Seth asked for Rhyme The Rhyme Well. Mike D. paused for a second and said something like, "Man... We haven't played that one in a while".

They gave us our special request "for our boys from Maine" and played High Plains Drifter. Heh.

[pm0ney]

Since when did the Yankees start wearing Blue and Orange?

1970 Knicks Warm-up (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.onlinesports.com/images/mn-kni70h-jkt.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.onlinesports.com/pages/I,MN-KJNK70HTM.html&usg=__T8LbrixjOedTsDFORX2n58g7AC8=&h=117&w=216&sz=29&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=tXRqa3vGzUtokM:&tbnh=58&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1970%2Bknicks%2Bwarm%2Bup%26um%3D1%26 hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26sa%3DG)

Hahaha, good looks bro. I couldn't make out the blue and orange with the crappy video quality, and that NY logo looks pretty identical to the Yankees one.

I'm gonna go wash this egg off my face now.

[camo]

That vid made my day (y)

[Tzar]

man adrock looks fucked up. sweet video nevertheless.

[TAFKASB]

I'd go as far as saying that is imo the best bit of live stuff I've seen in a long time. Great track, not mentioned as much as the bigger tracks, but still the business!!

[silence7]

Uploaded an mp3 rip to the Rare Tracks page (http://www.beastiemixes.com/rare.php), top of the page.

More info on the show here (http://www.tv.com/soul-train/temptations--beastie-boys--michael-jeffries--karyn-white/episode/115645/summary.html?tag=episode_tabs;overview)..

[mathcart]

Uploaded an mp3 rip to the Rare Tracks page (http://www.beastiemixes.com/rare.php), top of the page.

More info on the show here (http://www.tv.com/soul-train/temptations--beastie-boys--michael-jeffries--karyn-white/episode/115645/summary.html?tag=episode_tabs;overview)..

cool! thanks man!
(y)

[Micodin]

I'm gonna go on record and say that they performed Shadrach live. There is no way they could of got their vocals lip synced correct with Mike D. doing his "oh's" and whatnot. There was a couple of MCA ad libs that was live.

Shit was done live. Just saying.

[Kid Presentable]

I'm gonna go on record and say that they performed Shadrach live. There is no way they could of got their vocals lip synced correct with Mike D. doing his "oh's" and whatnot. There was a couple of MCA ad libs that was live.

Shit was done live. Just saying.

MCA says "To my style" but you can only hear Mike (27 seconds).
Adrock raps "Not how you play that game etc" but stops saying anything partway through and his voice is still heard (34 seconds).
You could put these things down to syncing errors but they're in perfect rhythm when the beat changes at 2:28 (stopping right on time). If you're talking about Mike's "Oh", he says something before it and nothing comes out. Even when you hear it, it doesn't look quite right.

At the first beat change sounds the vocal sounds layered, like their mics might be partly up, but it's not so unusual that they did in fact record the vocal live that day and then performed over the top of it. Otherwise it was fucked up equipment and they re-shot it (like at the Hip-Hop Honours).

EDIT: can someone else rate this thread its rightful 5 stars please?

[Micodin]

1. MCA starts off with stutter. Rid-rid-riddle me...

2. At 1:20 MCA say "and I Know"

3. During the Don Cornelius part... you can hear the crowd chant back when the point their mics in the crowd.

4. At 3:35 Mike D. proves it's live by dancing next to the Soul Train Dancers.

5. 3:49 Adrock's "Ah, Yeah!" was definitely live.

6. Adrock's "Yeah, Boy!" at the end defiantly was live as well.

It's an old video, so the synch with YouTube might not be right. But, those mics were on. You can hear it through decent headphones.

Either way it's a dope performance. Some of it might be lip synch... but those mics were also on as well. Agree to disagree.

[Kid Presentable]

1. MCA starts off with stutter. Rid-rid-riddle me...

2. At 1:20 MCA say "and I Know"

3. During the Don Cornelius part... you can hear the crowd chant back when the point their mics in the crowd.

4. At 3:35 Mike D. proves it's live by dancing next to the Soul Train Dancers.

5. 3:49 Adrock's "Ah, Yeah!" was definitely live.

6. Adrock's "Yeah, Boy!" at the end defiantly was live as well.

It's an old video, so the synch with YouTube might not be right. But, those mics were on. You can hear it through decent headphones.

Either way it's a dope performance. Some of it might be lip synch... but those mics were also on as well. Agree to disagree.

Thing is, you can't actually see most of the things you're talking about, so it makes no sense to use them as proof against lip-synchs. The crowd noise would be picked up on boom mics and such, wouldn't it? And yes those mics were on, but I dunno how good headphones are going to tell you what time of day they were on. If you knew it was going to say "Aw yeah" at some point, then you would just expectantly hold the mic up to your mouth for a bit, just like he did.

Point is, it was live at some point, but they're performing over the top of it. Like Laver originally said, and once again Laver is on the money. So we can agree to disagree, but Laver's right. Check "Ride the Wave of Fate" at like 4:13 for the final bit of proof.

Yeah it's a dope performance, anyway. So glad to finally see it. Definitely not trying to be rude here, just fulfilling my destiny as a nerd.

[Micodin]

You totally glossed over the Mike D. dancing with the Soul Train dancers. If that shit wasn't live, then I don't know what is.

His dance moves were correct.

Fact.

[Kid Presentable]

MY admiration for Mike D's Soul Train dancing brings my sexuality into question, no doubt.

[Brother McDuff]

MY admiration for Mike D's Soul Train dancing brings my sexuality into question, no doubt.

that part reminded me of that nice scene in AIFST wherein mike has another little notable dance party of his own.


damn, for one of the most tour-lacking periods in beastie history they sure were on fuckin' point. that was truly awesome. im not much for spending a whole lotta time watching old live footage, but WOW.

[Kid Presentable]

I've watched it 8 times if you count the time when I pointed out that stuff to Micodin, if that was some sort of jab at me.

[pesto pizza]

I've just been on you tube and someone(thankyou) has put the video of shadrach(soul train live) from jan 1990.I've been waiting to see that video for years.

you can also go to mic to mic website and go on the tumblr page and watch the video.

[Kid Presentable]

Why bother?

[Laver1969]

I'd be interested if there's a back story to this appearance. This clip is gold!

I know they did a bit of MTV-type promotion for PB but I think this is the only TV performance...

And nice break-down on the synching from KP and Micodin. I'll review your points but still think the audio had to be recorded earlier in the day.

[milkboy009]

(y)
just made my day

[pesto pizza]

Why bother?

if your on the mic to mic website and you think I wanna watch that shadrach video I saw the other day on you tube.just a quicker way.

[3stooges]

Thing is, you can't actually see most of the things you're talking about, so it makes no sense to use them as proof against lip-synchs. The crowd noise would be picked up on boom mics and such, wouldn't it? And yes those mics were on, but I dunno how good headphones are going to tell you what time of day they were on. If you knew it was going to say "Aw yeah" at some point, then you would just expectantly hold the mic up to your mouth for a bit, just like he did.

Point is, it was live at some point, but they're performing over the top of it. Like Laver originally said, and once again Laver is on the money. So we can agree to disagree, but Laver's right. Check "Ride the Wave of Fate" at like 4:13 for the final bit of proof.

Yeah it's a dope performance, anyway. So glad to finally see it. Definitely not trying to be rude here, just fulfilling my destiny as a nerd.

real cool to see this rare performance from the PB days.

regarding the sound - something you guys have to realize, is in post production, when they are editing the show's sound, they do whatever they want with the sound they have. so if they have a performance done earlier (for good sound), and then a live performance as well....it's likely they are mixing them together to give the best audio track possible - not just using one or the other. so they aim for something that captures the live performance energy, and can correct mistakes or audio problems with the earlier recorded version.

it's a method similar to how they shoot with more than one camera - so they have a bunch of different footage to piece together the final edit.

[facedownfall]

i remember when they played this song...my dad was flipping channels and stopped on Soul Train for a minute, my ears perked up when I heard Don Corneilus say "beastie boys". this was around early 1990 i believe. anyhow, this is the first time my dad realizes they were white guys.

[Kid Presentable]

real cool to see this rare performance from the PB days.

regarding the sound - something you guys have to realize, is in post production, when they are editing the show's sound, they do whatever they want with the sound they have. so if they have a performance done earlier (for good sound), and then a live performance as well....it's likely they are mixing them together to give the best audio track possible - not just using one or the other. so they aim for something that captures the live performance energy, and can correct mistakes or audio problems with the earlier recorded version.

it's a method similar to how they shoot with more than one camera - so they have a bunch of different footage to piece together the final edit.

Cool, man. Thanks. We were all right. :D

[MC Boulangerie]

mp3 (better audio): http://www.zshare.net/audio/532839611bd1cad0/

[dave790]

but still think the audio had to be recorded earlier in the day.

Fair enough. I think it's live, just the synch is messed up. I've been trying to think...why would they bother recording it earlier live? Just to replay it? I'm not being funny, I'm just generally curious. Surely if Soul Train were that bothered by potential swearing etc then they'd just make em mine to the studio version. Do you think the beat switches are pre-done as well? How about Hurricanes mic? There's bit like 4.14 where MCA seems behind, but there's too many bits so I just think it's out of synch. They'd be hard pressed to remember everything added if perfroming a live version they'd only just done on the same day.

We'll never know I guess anyway, will we Mr Yauch?

[brmanuk]

I'm sure I downloaded an audio version of this from the HUB years ago. Wasn't as good as seeing it with the video!

[99 rivington]

Hey everyone:

Dan LeRoy here -- long time, no post. (The PB reissue news, courtesy of the indispensible ninthbeastie, brought me in from the cold!)

Sorry for another shameless plug for my 33 1/3 book, but there is a mention of the back story behind this appearance. According to Max Perlich, the Beasties did record a special version of "Shadrach," complete with Don Cornelius references, to mess with him -- because they wanted to do the song live but weren't permitted.

I believe the quote was that Mr. Cornelius was "freak(ing) on the spot."
In fact, he actually stopped the taping at first, according to Max, because he believed the vocals were live. But they reportedly told Cornelius that the newly-recorded vocals were part of the original version of the song, on PB, "so they got away with it."

It sure is great finally seeing the clip! Hope everyone is having a great holiday, and best wishes for 2009.

[pshabi]

Hey everyone:

Dan LeRoy here -- long time, no post. (The PB reissue news, courtesy of the indispensible ninthbeastie, brought me in from the cold!)

Sorry for another shameless plug for my 33 1/3 book, but there is a mention of the back story behind this appearance. According to Max Perlich, the Beasties did record a special version of "Shadrach," complete with Don Cornelius references, to mess with him -- because they wanted to do the song live but weren't permitted.

I believe the quote was that Mr. Cornelius was "freak(ing) on the spot."
In fact, he actually stopped the taping at first, according to Max, because he believed the vocals were live. But they reportedly told Cornelius that the newly-recorded vocals were part of the original version of the song, on PB, "so they got away with it."

It sure is great finally seeing the clip! Hope everyone is having a great holiday, and best wishes for 2009.

Much thanks for the info, Dan. Happy New Year to you as well.

[Laver1969]

Hey everyone:

Dan LeRoy here -- long time, no post. (The PB reissue news, courtesy of the indispensible ninthbeastie, brought me in from the cold!)

Sorry for another shameless plug for my 33 1/3 book, but there is a mention of the back story behind this appearance. According to Max Perlich, the Beasties did record a special version of "Shadrach," complete with Don Cornelius references, to mess with him -- because they wanted to do the song live but weren't permitted.

I believe the quote was that Mr. Cornelius was "freak(ing) on the spot."
In fact, he actually stopped the taping at first, according to Max, because he believed the vocals were live. But they reportedly told Cornelius that the newly-recorded vocals were part of the original version of the song, on PB, "so they got away with it."

It sure is great finally seeing the clip! Hope everyone is having a great holiday, and best wishes for 2009.

Yep...thanks, Dan. Very cool back story about the taping of this Soul Train joint. Can you ask Max or others and see if anyone has any video of the PB club tour performances they'd be willing to share/leak? Please...:)

[Mr. Smacktackle]

Don Cornelius removed the video! :mad:

[MC Boulangerie]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9l1na_shadrach-soul-train-live-1990-beast_music

[Laver1969]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9l1na_shadrach-soul-train-live-1990-beast_music

That video is awesome on so many levels.

I think they should put Shadrach back into the live rotation!

[Nomen Nescio]

That video is awesome on so many levels.

I think they should put Shadrach back into the live rotation!

Dopeness.

Long time since I spoke that word.

[Junker]

I never knew about this performance.
Pure gold!

[Justin]

how could you not go out and buy pauls boutique after seeing that performance!!!?

[Justin]

wasn't there a story out there saying something like...don asked them not to do the Don Cornelius part live? or something like that...? I believe I remember Mike D talking about that somewhere in an interview..

please tell me im not crazy

[Laver1969]

Excellent!!! Was it just me or did it seem like they were lip-synching a previously recorded live track? Like they recorded a version earlier in the day and then lip-synched for the show.

Or was it just the shitty audio and video on youtube?

Anyway you slice it though, that is a great piece of Beastie History right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhDi4lJpbYw

Just thought I would dig this youtube link up and bam...This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Don Cornelius Productions/Soul Train Holdings LLC .

That sucks Don!

[Rodie]

Just thought I would dig this youtube link up and bam...This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Don Cornelius Productions/Soul Train Holdings LLC .

That sucks Don!

That's weak. There's a best of Soul Train DVD coming out, but their performance isn't on there so I don't see the harm in leaving it up on youtube.

[pshabi]

Just thought I would dig this youtube link up and bam...This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Don Cornelius Productions/Soul Train Holdings LLC .

That sucks Don!

Really? (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1672968&postcount=45) :D

[Laver1969]

Really? (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1672968&postcount=45) :D

Really! (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1674760&postcount=46) :D

[Extra Cheese]

yeah, don cornelio didn't let guests perform live. I remember questlove telling some story how he thought he Don would let the roots slide and perform live cuz quest is some major soul train nut having a copy of every single episode ever. but Don still said no.

[JDsmagik]

Man, I'm feelin old. When did 1990 become a bygone era?

What was up with all the pastel pink and blue used in those days.
Every video, every movie looked like Miami Vice threw up on it.

[laurie_hammy]

Came across this again, sooo good.

[Brass Monk]

Great performance, seems to be live. I just listened to the PB commentary track where they discuss "Hey Ladies" and whether they had performed it live or not. They seemed to agree that they did and when they did it was on Soul Train. I think it was actually this Shadrach performance they were thinking of. They go on to state that the Fresh Prince came to see them on the set after the performance and said "You guys still got it!"

Dan Leroy's book on PB is amazing. I've had it for awhile and just started reading it again. So many cool and funny things on it. Things that stood out so far on this read is them pranking Bret Michaels from the glam metal band Poison by approaching him and asking what room he was staying in. And then charging stuff to his room to the shock and dismay of their A & R man. (they were apparently living at the same hotel for awhile)

Setting up a velvet rope and creating a private party within an MTV awards after party was also great (attracting the attention of Arsenio and Cyndi Lauper amongst others)

Another hilarious part is when they (Beastie Boys, Dust Bros & Matt Dike) decided to have open try outs for potential music video dancers before they had even really started the record. They invited hundreds of hot girls to dance in bikinis to instrumental tracks while they sat at a table "drunk with huge joints and stacks of money in front of us"

Pretty hilarious stuff

[Hello_Kitty]

Great performance, seems to be live. I just listened to the PB commentary track where they discuss "Hey Ladies" and whether they had performed it live or not. They seemed to agree that they did and when they did it was on Soul Train. I think it was actually this Shadrach performance they were thinking of. They go on to state that the Fresh Prince came to see them on the set after the performance and said "You guys still got it!"

Dan Leroy's book on PB is amazing. I've had it for awhile and just started reading it again. So many cool and funny things on it. Things that stood out so far on this read is them pranking Bret Michaels from the glam metal band Poison by approaching him and asking what room he was staying in. And then charging stuff to his room to the shock and dismay of their A & R man. (they were apparently living at the same hotel for awhile)

Setting up a velvet rope and creating a private party within an MTV awards after party was also great (attracting the attention of Arsenio and Cyndi Lauper amongst others)

Another hilarious part is when they (Beastie Boys, Dust Bros & Matt Dike) decided to have open try outs for potential music video dancers before they had even really started the record. They invited hundreds of hot girls to dance in bikinis to instrumental tracks while they sat at a table "drunk with huge joints and stacks of money in front of us"

Pretty hilarious stuff

i just downloaded this to my Kindle Fire! I can't wait to read it! Thanks :) (y)

[JohnnyChavello]

Another hilarious part is when they (Beastie Boys, Dust Bros & Matt Dike) decided to have open try outs for potential music video dancers before they had even really started the record.

That's pure genius. Just crazy enough to work, too.

[Brass Monk]

i just downloaded this to my Kindle Fire! I can't wait to read it! Thanks :) (y)

Noice!