Erase canine from asian menus

[ericlee]

Is there already a website in which you cast your vote to do so?

The killings of dogs is so brutal in South Korea and China. To get the best flavored meat, the dog must be charged with adrenalin. The "chefs" will hang the dogs by the neck, till the dogs are at their last breath and throw them into a pot of boiling water, sometimes still faintly alive.

Most of the time to get the adrenaline flowing while the dog is hanging, they will be beat with broomsticks, shovels or even hammers.

Feasting on canine is an old Asian tradition but traditions can be changed.

[DIGI]

Fuck..............my life was so much better 20 seconds ago.:(

That's horrible.

[pm0ney]

Why dont we let other countries serve whatever they want at their own restaurants. Seriously, why should we interject ourselves in other peoples business? Especially for something as stupid as Asian people eating dogs. Why dont we look at what we can do to make our own country a better place...

[ericlee]

Why dont we let other countries serve whatever they want at their own restaurants. Seriously, why should we interject ourselves in other peoples business? Especially for something as stupid as Asian people eating dogs. Why dont we look at what we can do to make our own country a better place...

I'll join the marines over this stuff, bro.

[funk63]

Man that does sound pretty fucked up. Glad I never ate one. Although I probably have unknowingly ate some shit that died in less than peaceful conditions.. Let me know if theres some kind of petition I can sign.

[timmie]

Thats horrible! if it was against humans then people would act on it! I'm with you on this one ericlee.

[Lex Diamonds]

Why dont we let other countries serve whatever they want at their own restaurants. Seriously, why should we interject ourselves in other peoples business? Especially for something as stupid as Asian people eating dogs. Why dont we look at what we can do to make our own country a better place...
That's exactly what I thought when I read this post. Fuckin' Americans...

[ScarySquirrel]

Y'all can count me as one of the "let 'em do what they want to do" crowd. Just because I don't agree with it means I have to change an entire country... I don't want them busting over here trying to tell us what we can and cannot eat.

Just don't eat dog when you go to Asia. I'm sure there are tons of Indian people (is it Indian?) who are pissed the US eats so much beef. Aren't cows sacred to them or some shit? Each culture is different and the sooner we all realize that, then we might be one step closer to having a world that gets along someday...

[MC Moot]

Animals Asia Foundation ( http://www.animalsasia.org/ )

(y)

[cosmo105]

*bites tongue* ............HOW IS IT ANY DIFFERENT FROM FACTORY FARMING ASKFKDSKSAKJFA

[MC Moot]

I must say though I'm much more concerned about the "bush food" trade in Africa and South America...monkey's,marsupials,reptiles being wiped out as existing ecosystems and habitats are destroyed...dogs are easily replaced by more dogs...

[russhie]

I remember reading about this years ago, when I was a kid, and it sticking with me for ages and being really mad about it and shit. Now I'm older and vegetarian, I do think it is wrong to stop people from doing something that is culturally unpalatable to us (ie. eating pet animals). However. I don't think that pain/suffering should be inflicted upon any animal prior to death/consumption, but that's something the western world has in common with the east, it's not exclusive. Australia does live export which is just as cruel, really, and is undertaken to cater to middle eastern culture (well, that's what they keep telling us, anyway).
I just don't think arguments about culture should come into it when the animal is suffering - eat animals, but slaughter them humanely.

[AceFace]

why show so much compassion for dogs being eaten when other animals are treated just as horribly and no one bats an eyelash about it here in the US?

i think anyone that tortures animals before being killed and eaten should be punished severely. that's why i'm vegetarian. i just can't take the chance that the animal i'm eating was treated horribly.

[AceFace]

I remember reading about this years ago, when I was a kid, and it sticking with me for ages and being really mad about it and shit. Now I'm older and vegetarian, I do think it is wrong to stop people from doing something that is culturally unpalatable to us (ie. eating pet animals). However. I don't think that pain/suffering should be inflicted upon any animal prior to death/consumption, but that's something the western world has in common with the east, it's not exclusive. Australia does live export which is just as cruel, really, and is undertaken to cater to middle eastern culture (well, that's what they keep telling us, anyway).
I just don't think arguments about culture should come into it when the animal is suffering - eat animals, but slaughter them humanely.
good post, girl! (y)

[kaiser soze]

Looks like you gotta git a divorce now =(

Just kidding, but yes.....dog on the menu sucks.

This is where cultural relativism and ethnocentrism clash. What is one man's idea of fine dining is another man's pet, god, or lover.

[MC Moot]

Foie Gras ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras) is pretty unacceptable and I know that in France and Italy the practice of breaking a calves legs is still used during the production of Veal...and on the other hand Lobster die as soon as they hit the boiling water...they do not scream and are delicious...and nobody cares about fish,you can do whatever you like with fish despite recent study's that prove they feel fear and pain...:rolleyes:

[Fern]

Why dont we let other countries serve whatever they want at their own restaurants. Seriously, why should we interject ourselves in other peoples business? Especially for something as stupid as Asian people eating dogs. Why dont we look at what we can do to make our own country a better place...

Exactly right. I'll eat that shit.

[ericlee]

Countries are free to do their own thing but there's alot of people from those countries that disagree on the cruelty.

I just had a discussion with the mrs. last night about this and had no idea about the torture before they die. Kinda struck a nerve.

[YoungRemy]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WR6d67O6478&feature=related

[Audio.]

I actually saw this. They do hang the dogs by the neck until the dog has no more life of struggle in them. After that, they hack them with those big Chef Blades the ones they use for the big type of meat, and grab the chunks and chuck them into pot of boiling water. Sometimes they feed them to their own dogs. Their own pet dogs.

buuuuuuuut the way I see it between humans and animals, we are kind of alike.
Some dogs eat other dogs, humans have ate other humans. Some animals are disabled so are some humans. Pets are considered as slaves to some, some humans were and are still slaves or considered as servers. Animals have been in wars, so have we. Animals made diseases so have humans. Animals have this side of violence in their nature and we are also a violent kind. We have killed the weakest in our cycle just as crocs do in their hunt. We have also killed the strongest just as a pack of wolves do on a bear. We make tools to utilize in order to eat just like monkey do with sticks. We utilize the unique part of ourselves to do what we can for ourselves just like ant eaters do with their uniqueness form of the nose. We reproduce like animals. We eat like animals. Sometimes smell like animals. We've also died as animals. Hell, animals shown they can paint and fire a gun and walk in two feet plus sing.

Though, what separates us between animals could possibly be our moral standards. People, tend to fear becoming known as animals or maybe we see animals as the weak link in our cycle of life. Others view different, they feel humans are to be considered first before else. A pet in another culture treated as .... well as a pet and if you see the same pet in the other field where the custom of having a pet to them... it means happy meal time. Food is food. Our primitive lifestyle is alive is what it shows, and some want to preserve that old tradition. Others want to be civil and show their own brand of morality law. hmmm...

hahahah what a funny world it is.

who cares where I stand.
but if were my dog... it wouldnt happen. (n)

[b i o n i c]

why show so much compassion for dogs being eaten when other animals are treated just as horribly and no one bats an eyelash about it here in the US?



because it doesnt matter if people eat the ugly animals!

[Audio.]

^further more, dogs were the main subject of this convo. We are all aware other animals getting the fucked treatment.

[cookiepuss]

Why dont we let other countries serve whatever they want at their own restaurants. Seriously, why should we interject ourselves in other peoples business? Especially for something as stupid as Asian people eating dogs. Why dont we look at what we can do to make our own country a better place...

Right..but uh what do you think Asia would say to us if we tortured and ate up all their Panada Bears? You don't think they'd say shit about that?
I think the point is not just that they eat dogs..it's that they torture them first.

Like russhie said...ok we don't need to tell you what you can and can't eat..but no matter what animals can be killed humanely.

[Audio.]

I think if pandas were being eaten in America, I think people in America would of also be pissed about it. Lets not blow this out of portion by making a whole Nation vs Nation type of shit again.

[b i o n i c]

but i havent wiped my ass with an american flag yet today!

[cookiepuss]

I think if pandas were being eaten in America, I think people in America would of also be pissed about it. Lets not blow this out of portion by making a whole Nation vs Nation type of shit again.

no the point is this..he's complaining that we stick our nose into other countries business...but it's not as if OTHER countries have no qualms about things we do that matter to them. they do.

it's not meant to be a literal senario.

[AceFace]

Right..but uh what do you think Asia would say to us if we tortured and ate up all their Panada Bears? You don't think they'd say shit about that?
I think the point is not just that they eat dogs..it's that they torture them first.

Like russhie said...ok we don't need to tell you what you can and can't eat..but no matter what animals can be killed humanely.

HEY! this thread is about DOGS, not panda bears! your opinion doens't work here.

[Audio.]

Tell me, why do you think its wrong? Is it the brutality the living animal gets or that the animal known in your culture as Pets getting eaten?

[AceFace]

my problem is with humans thinking they can mistreat animals just b/c they're going to eat them or use them for things they produce... no matter if it's dogs, cats, chickens, cows, whatever.

i think we should be humane to all animals. and i DO think it's awful what they're doing to dogs over there. it's not right nor is it right for poor chickens to have their beaks cut off while they're alive simply to keep them from pecking the other 10 chickens they're forced to live in a small cage with.

[cookiepuss]

it's the freaking torture dude.
it's not the eating. I am NOT a vegetarian...I do eat meat.
in South America they eat Guinea pigs...but they don't beat them to death first.
there's no need to draw out an animals pain and death to eat it. it can be done quickly with minimal suffering.

[AceFace]

it's the freaking torture dude.
it's not the eating. I am NOT a vegetarian...I do eat meat.
in South America they eat Guinea pigs...but they don't beat them to death first.
there's no need to draw out an animals pain and death to eat it. it can be done quickly with minimal suffering.
(y)

[Audio.]

so its settled. Everyone agrees the element of this issue is the brutality part and NOT the tradition itself that is main argument.

Hope that clear out the steam off this thread.

[saz]

hopefully one day in the future they'll be substitutes that taste just like all kinds of meat, so animals will no longer have to be murdered.

[funk63]

And then they can overpopulate and cause all new problems.

[Audio.]

hopefully one day in the future they'll be substitutes that taste just like all kinds of meat, so animals will no longer have to be murdered.

vegan meat.

[Audio.]

though, its not all about taste. We got to produce the type of nutrition some of us need.

[MC Moot]

There's this incredible place here that does amazing faux meats...the best "spare ribs" and ginger fried "beef" you've ever tasted...they need to franchise the sucker out...

Buddha’s Garden (http://www.mytravelguide.com/restaurants/profile-79209705-Canada_Alberta_Calgary_Buddhas_Veggie_Restaurant.h tml)

[Freebasser]

Eric, I support your dogged determination in rufflessly hounding these guys until they crawl bark into whatever hole it was they pupped out from.

[b-grrrlie]

Foie Gras ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras) is pretty unacceptable and I know that in France and Italy the practice of breaking a calves legs is still used during the production of Veal...and on the other hand Lobster die as soon as they hit the boiling water...they do not scream and are delicious...and nobody cares about fish,you can do whatever you like with fish despite recent study's that prove they feel fear and pain...:rolleyes:
Here some art students (or something like that) had an expo or something of some goldfish in a small glass
in a restaurant and people could eat them alive if they dared.
There was huge headlines in the paper "ANIMAL CRUELTY IN A SWEDISH RESTAURANT!"
What nobody thought was that all these crawfish that Swedes enjoy in August are boiled to death...
That's, like, ok for them....




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[checkyourprez]

this thread = sofa king retarded.


they can eat what they want.

have you ever seen the videos of certain ranchers or meat plant workers and how they treat cows? i dont see you up in a hoopla about removing beef from american menus because of that.

in the end its not a "humans" v "animals" thing anyway. we ARE just another animal. a little smarter, but none the less.

[b-grrrlie]

Smarter?
Humans must be some of the stupidest animals around, destroying their own grounds...

[checkyourprez]

Smarter?
Humans must be some of the stupidest animals around, destroying their own grounds...

yayaya we get that. polluting the earth that we live on, the irony.


still though, smarter. the other animals dont have the capacity to pollute.

well except for massive whale pollutions in da ocean.

[ericlee]

this thread = sofa king retarded.


they can eat what they want.

have you ever seen the videos of certain ranchers or meat plant workers and how they treat cows? i dont see you up in a hoopla about removing beef from american menus because of that.

in the end its not a "humans" v "animals" thing anyway. we ARE just another animal. a little smarter, but none the less.

If you kill something for dinner, it should be quick and painless, no need to torture it. Yeah, the cow treatment is bad as well but there's more "humane" ways of slaughtering a cow and only one way to kill a dog.

I don't care that they eat them but do you want to watch a video and see how they're killed?

I'm allowed to have a conscience and discuss this. No need to call it retarded. Why don't you make another "hilarious" shit story thread.

[pm0ney]

Right..but uh what do you think Asia would say to us if we tortured and ate up all their Panada Bears? You don't think they'd say shit about that?
I think the point is not just that they eat dogs..it's that they torture them first.

Like russhie said...ok we don't need to tell you what you can and can't eat..but no matter what animals can be killed humanely.

Last time I checked they werent importing pet dogs from America and killing them for food in Asia...So what does torturing and eating their Panda Bears have anything to do with this discussion?

My grandfather used to tell me that back in Italy they would hang a giant pig upside down and slit its throat and stomach so it would bleed out and then they would cut it up. This kind of thing has been happening since the dawn of mankind. I'm not advocating torturing animals for food, but I think its even worse to tell someone from a completely different culture what they can and cant do. If they want to hang dogs and beat them with sticks then I'm in no position to tell them to stop.

EDIT: A quick note to all the people saying that there are quicker and more humane ways to kill these animals...Maybe that isnt true. Maybe if you shoot it the lead in a bullet will poison the meat. Or maybe the drugs used to euthanise would also poison the meat. It would be interesting to find out exactly why it is they use the methods they do.

[TurdBerglar]

what about all those gazelles in africa being tortured and shit by all them cheetas. that shit is fucked up, man! time to petition all them god damn cheetas!

[Audio.]

Another reason why humans and animals are kind of alike.

[TurdBerglar]

hey fuck you man

you don't see me mauling any god damn gazelles

[Lyman Zerga]

my problem is with humans thinking they can mistreat animals just b/c they're going to eat them or use them for things they produce... no matter if it's dogs, cats, chickens, cows, whatever.

i think we should be humane to all animals. and i DO think it's awful what they're doing to dogs over there. it's not right nor is it right for poor chickens to have their beaks cut off while they're alive simply to keep them from pecking the other 10 chickens they're forced to live in a small cage with.

yes.


i once saw they throw baby dogs into the cooking pan while they are fully alive

some other cultures are even worse and more behind than our owns

it's not ignorant, it's a fact.

[funk63]

dont we do that to lobsters?

[Audio.]

hey fuck you man

you don't see me mauling any god damn gazelles

hahaha man, always with the idea of insults. no, I'm talking about some of the feature humans meaning all share some things animals do just as we do and vice-versa.


lmao, its funny when some one gets pissed :p

[Dorothy Wood]

thinking about eating doggies is sad, but so is thinking about eating any kind of animal.

there's a lot of suffering in this world, but without death there is no life.

[Matt]

Dorothy's waxin' poetic.

[AceFace]

eric, i TOTALLY understand where you're coming from with the videos and stuff like that. that's what turned me vegetarian. one day i just happened upon some bad bad videos of animals being tortured before being slaughtered and the humans laughing while they were doing it and i was completely turned off.

i appreciate your compassion.

[camo]

NO WAY! Don't erase it. Times are tough and we need all of the edible resources we can lay our hands on. It's a dog eat dog world out there people.

[Lyman Zerga]

dont we do that to lobsters?

i sure know i dont

cant compare lobsters with dogs though, i think..

[saz]

I'm not advocating torturing animals for food, but I think its even worse to tell someone from a completely different culture what they can and cant do. If they want to hang dogs and beat them with sticks then I'm in no position to tell them to stop.

you actually think that speaking out against animal cruelty is worse than torturing animals? we live in free countries in the western world and we can say whatever we like. what you're arguing doesn't make any sense.


EDIT: A quick note to all the people saying that there are quicker and more humane ways to kill these animals...Maybe that isnt true. Maybe if you shoot it the lead in a bullet will poison the meat. Or maybe the drugs used to euthanise would also poison the meat. It would be interesting to find out exactly why it is they use the methods they do.

i do not condone any slaughter of any animal, however the humane methods used to kill animals quickly do not involve shooting nor poisoning them.

[cookiepuss]

Last time I checked they werent importing pet dogs from America and killing them for food in Asia...So what does torturing and eating their Panda Bears have anything to do with this discussion?

My grandfather used to tell me that back in Italy they would hang a giant pig upside down and slit its throat and stomach so it would bleed out and then they would cut it up. This kind of thing has been happening since the dawn of mankind. I'm not advocating torturing animals for food, but I think its even worse to tell someone from a completely different culture what they can and cant do. If they want to hang dogs and beat them with sticks then I'm in no position to tell them to stop.

EDIT: A quick note to all the people saying that there are quicker and more humane ways to kill these animals...Maybe that isnt true. Maybe if you shoot it the lead in a bullet will poison the meat. Or maybe the drugs used to euthanise would also poison the meat. It would be interesting to find out exactly why it is they use the methods they do.

you're being a moron and you obviously don't know the difference between slaughtering animals and torturing them...sliting an animals throat and having it bleed out isn't inhumane in fact, you know what they call it? KOSHER

Poultry and meat must be slaughtered under strict guidelines called "shechita." This means the animals are slaughtered without pain. Only those who are trained and qualified are allowed to slaughter kosher animals. Once the animal is no longer alive, another team of experts will examine the animal to be sure the animal is without illness, abnormalities or anything else that can be considered unsanitary. The lungs in particular must be pure. In addition, all blood, nerves, and most fat must be removed.

Shechita (Hebrew:שחיטה) is the ritual slaughter of mammals and birds according to Jewish dietary laws.[1] The act is performed by cutting the animal's throat by means of a very sharp knife (referred to as "drawing" in ritual terminology) and allowing the blood to drain out. Islamic dietary laws require a similar procedure, Dhabiĥa.

now, beating the pig before sliting it's throat...that's what we call torture.
But when you slit an animals throat it bleeds out really fast and usually looses consciousness quickly as well so it really doesn't experience much pain.

I'm not even going to explain the Panda thing...it was not meant to be a literal senario, and it's not my problem if you can't figure out the point...I tried to explain it a few post back anyway.

*waits for verbal abuse*

[pm0ney]

you're being a moron and you obviously don't know the difference between slaughtering animals and torturing them...sliting an animals throat and having it bleed out isn't inhumane in fact, you know what they call it? KOSHER





now, beating the pig before sliting it's throat...that's what we call torture.
But when you slit an animals throat it bleeds out really fast and usually looses consciousness quickly as well so it really doesn't experience much pain.

I'm not even going to explain the Panda thing...it was not meant to be a literal senario, and it's not my problem if you can't figure out the point...I tried to explain it a few post back anyway.

*waits for verbal abuse*

Actually I dont think I'm being a moron and I think I made a clear argument and stood by it. I think its wrong to tell any culture what to do, especially with something as ridiculous as eating dog meat. And no, I'm not going to verbally abuse you, just enjoying the discussion.

[AceFace]

EATING is different than torturing before killing. that's what she's getting at. it seems pretty simple to me.

[saz]

i have no qualms or problems regarding voicing my opinion and speaking freely on the ignorant or despicable practices of other countries or cultures, whether it's the subjugation of women or the torture of domesticated animals for consumption, which is the furthest thing from being ridiculous.

[Lyman Zerga]

i have no qualms or problems regarding voicing my opinion and speaking freely on the ignorant or despicable practices of other countries or cultures, whether it's the subjugation of women or the torture of domesticated animals for consumption, which is the furthest thing from being ridiculous.

you spoke right out of my mind and heart right there (y)


the american way is to look away..

[AceFace]

you spoke right out of my mind and heart right there (y)


the american way is to look away..

that's not ALWAYS true. (n)

[ericlee]

that's not ALWAYS true. (n)


Hence the reason why I wrote this thread.

After dinner and a few beers with the Mrs. and feeling a bit drunk, I told her that I think I wouldn't mind trying some dog once.

She was all, I'll kick your ass if you eat dog and she explained how they are killed.

I believed her but was a bit curious so I had a look on the innarwebs. Fuckin' Christ.

So anyway, this thread was a drunken babble. I'm suprised how it's still around .

[Lyman Zerga]

not all americans live the american way

stop crying

[AceFace]

(n) stop generalizing.

[ericlee]

being that I'm American has nothing to do with me having feelings towards animal cruelty. I can be a local of one of the countries that serves dog and still feel the same way.

In fact, the mrs. is from one of those countries and she feels it's terrible.

So stfu, ramdickakka.

[Lyman Zerga]

i was talking about the looking away part and not that every american gets a boner by animal cruelty


and ace stop using the (n)

[funk63]

i just ate my dog (n)

[Lyman Zerga]

(y)

[BangkokB]

I'm just thinking while I'm typing trying to not let this burrito get the best of me but aren't Chinese Buddhist as well? Here in Bangkok I find myself tripping over dogs. For whatever reason they won't kill them. Be it coachroaches, centipedes or grasshoppers then they're all on that but dogs rule the streets. In fact: I had a thread a few years back about my being bit by one.

[checkyourprez]

I'm just thinking while I'm typing trying to not let this burrito get the best of me but aren't Chinese Buddhist as well? Here in Bangkok I find myself tripping over dogs. For whatever reason they won't kill them. Be it coachroaches, centipedes or grasshoppers then they're all on that but dogs rule the streets. In fact: I had a thread a few years back about my being bit by one.

not most of them.