View Full Version : Does anyone here suffer from depression?
If so how do you know what it is and what do you do about it?
na§tee
01-18-2009, 02:42 PM
many, many people here suffer from depression.
many, many people here suffer from depression.
Its the interweb. The only place some can come to deal with it.
Yorkshire~Rose
01-18-2009, 02:49 PM
Best place to start is your GP, they can refer you on to a more specialised service.
This is quite a useful site (http://www.nhs.uk/Pathways/depression/Pages/Landing.aspx?WT.srch=1) for symptoms, treatment etc.
It's not for me, but for a friend...ha :o
No it is me. Just had a rough 2008 and the beginning of this year has helped but my outlook on life and the future just doesn't seem quite positive.
But now heather's gone and my mates are no more I've had a lot of time on my own which was something that I used to like but now it's utter torture to live in my head at the moment.
Don't know what to do and have no one to speak to about this.
edit: yorkie, just seen your link and looked at the symptoms I can place a tick next to a lot of them :(
Drink until you die.
I suffer from upset-tion. Taking yoga classes seems to help. Hey, it could help your issue with being single too. Kill two birds with one leotard.
Yorkshire~Rose
01-18-2009, 02:59 PM
It's not for me, but for a friend...ha :o
No it is me. Just had a rough 2008 and the beginning of this year has helped but my outlook on life and the future just doesn't seem quite positive.
But now heather's gone and my mates are no more I've had a lot of time on my own which was something that I used to like but now it's utter torture to live in my head at the moment.
Don't know what to do and have no one to speak to about this.
I think it's something everyone goes through at some point in their life. Without going into major detail, i went through a rough patch last year and went to see my GP. She referred me to a counsellor who used CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy) techniques. It was hard going at first but I found it very useful.
Drink until you die.
tried on friday night in a bar on my own, it was massively uneventful and I've not eaten well this year so it only took a few beers to send me off
na§tee
01-18-2009, 03:01 PM
you have to go to a doctor first, of course. don't self diagnose yourself. i went through a bad period in the beginning of 2008 much like yours and my doctor didn't dash off some cure-all drugs. instead i spoke to a counsellor for a while. but each person has a different set of circumstances. but if it comes to a point where you are so depressed that you cannot get out of bed, that's a different story. the medication vs no medication is a different kettle of fish though - many many threads here on anti-depressants if you care to look.
you are going through a rough time at the moment, of course you feel bad, but don't say you are clinically depressed yet. wait until it gets 6 months in and you can't eat anything or leave your house! woohoo!
no seriously, just go to your doctor. don't rely on us.
I think it's something everyone goes through at some point in their life. Without going into major detail, i went through a rough patch last year and went to see my GP. She referred me to a counsellor who used CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy) techniques. It was hard going at first but I found it very useful.
I need to sign up with a GP first. Does the counselling cost? Did you come out the other end feeling better?
Yorkshire~Rose
01-18-2009, 03:05 PM
I need to sign up with a GP first. Does the counselling cost? Did you come out the other end feeling better?
No cost to the counselling at all. I saw her for about 6 months and yes, i felt a lot better by the end. I still have 'black' days, but nothing like i used to be.
Wise words there too from nastee.
no seriously, just go to your doctor. don't rely on us.
This pretty much applies to anything on the mb.
Seriously though... yoga.
laura
01-18-2009, 03:09 PM
I think there's some difference between "feeling depressed" and "depression"...
maybe, if you just feel depressed (so dont need drugs or doctors) plane something, make a little change in your daily lfe (not a huge or long term one), it might help...
you have to go to a doctor first, of course. don't self diagnose yourself. my doctor didn't dash off some cure-all drugs. instead i spoke to a counsellor for a bit. but each person has a different set of circumstances. but if it comes to a point where you are so depressed that you cannot get out of bed, that's a different story. the medication vs no medication is a different kettle of fish though - many many threads here on anti-depressants if you care to look.
you are going through a rough time at the moment, of course you feel bad, but don't say you are clinically depressed yet. wait until it gets 6 months in and you can't eat anything or leave your house! woohoo!
no seriously, just go to your doctor.
It's been like this for almost a year now it's not something that I've concocted because of my shit predicament.
(Don't read that as me being shitty!)
But this morning I woke up at 8 after being in bed for 4 hours with a nose bleed. I cleaned up and got back into bed and kept dozing off in phases until 12:45, each time I was dreaming about heather and each time I woke I couldn't justify climbing out of bed because I keep thinking that I have nothing to get up for. I've barely eaten anything again today and I've let the flat turn into a pigsty. It's like my get up and go, got up and went.
Now this is the shit bit. All of my main friends have gone and no one speaks to one another so I'm dealing with things as they are on my own bar the odd call from my mum. But I can't stop thinking that because of the way things are I wouldn't be missed if something happened to me. I'm not saying that I'm thinking of the 's' word but I've never been so close to doing so.
Now this is the shit bit. All of my main friends have gone and no one speaks to one another so I'm dealing with things as they are on my own bar the odd call from my mum.
yeah, i know that one, that sucks. i've kind of been in that spot for about 3 years now. i can't give you any advice on how to deal with it because i deal with it mainly by drinking alone and posting on the internet a lot and that's surely not the way. i would recommend seeing a doctor, but i'd be a hypocrite because i haven't done that myself
Freebasser
01-18-2009, 03:18 PM
If you don't know anybody then at least you can feel free to sit around your house naked without worrying about somebody knocking on your door.
yeah, i know that one, that sucks. i've kind of been in that spot for about 3 years now. i can't give you any advice on how to deal with it because i deal with it mainly by drinking alone and posting on the internet a lot and that's surely not the way. i would recommend seeing a doctor, but i'd be a hypocrite because i haven't done that myself
I'd be exactly the same. I used to be pretty out going and carefree but It's slowly been drained out of me until the only person I would make any effort for was my ex. I actually think that I don't like to be around people anymore which is weird because I'm hating being on my own!?!?
But if you've dealt with it in such a way for 3 years then you must be made of sterner stuff than me because I've been on my own since dec 31st and it's been hell.
Dorothy Wood
01-18-2009, 04:38 PM
you're going to feel like shit for a few months at least, then you'll start coming 'round. if you don't, see a doctor.
right now you're grieving and that's okay, let yourself be a sullen slob for awhile, but don't sit around watching sad movies or listening to sad music unless you feel like crying a lot. watch funny stuff, and listen to upbeat music.
I have mild clinical depression, so I'm prone to dark thoughts already. but what helped me after my break up last year, was telling myself that I don't have to worry about anything but myself. I let myself do whatever I wanted and it was kind of freeing.
honestly, the only real thing that's helped me is time and positive thinking (when I can manage it).
also, exercise!
funk63
01-18-2009, 04:45 PM
I am. I also have body dysmorphic disorder and I leave my house as little as possible. When I'm in public its literally torture.
I'm "I've planned my death" depressed. I would suggest to you to take drugs and numb your brain with media. Or develope habits or hobbies that occupy time as to distract yourself from the pain. But I doubt you have it as bad as me. So maybe take solace in knowing you dont have it too damn bad and just be happy for what you have?
And stay the fuck away from World of Warcraft. Better to take crack
Lyman Zerga
01-18-2009, 05:17 PM
i got clinical depressions and i took anti depressants but they did absolutely nothing for me
roosta
01-18-2009, 05:38 PM
Taking yoga classes seems to help. Hey, it could help your issue with being single too. Kill two birds with one leotard.
or meditation.
i've never suffered from depression, but i do meditate and its been known to help with such things.
monkey
01-18-2009, 06:00 PM
therapists help. tremendously. you have to find one that fits you, that you're comfortable talking to, and someone you feel comfortable listening to. hopefully someone like that can help guide you when you're feeling like this.
medication can be helpful for those who need it, and i would consult more than one doctor to find out if that's the right course of action or not.
i think depression, for some, is something you battle every day. doesn't mean you're always depressed, but it means that sometimes you have to work a little extra hard to maintain yourself at a good level. i don't mind the work, it is for my benefit after all.
Lex Diamonds
01-18-2009, 06:15 PM
I don't trust people who don't get depressed. To err is human.
ps
To "ARR" is pirate.
mikizee
01-19-2009, 06:24 AM
I've suffered from (diagnosed) depression for about 15 years. Runs in the family.
I was on anti depressants for a while a few years ago but side effects included complete and utter inability to orgasm. At all.
Seeing as I'd rather kill myself than not be able to cum I ditched em.
These days I try to ignore it and for the most part I do but sometimes the ol' black dog creeps up on me and leaves me gutted and empty for a little while. But its happening less and less.
But yep, it sure does suck
I don't think it runs in my family, well not to my knowledge anyways. I spent a lot of last night reading up on things and I’m definatily going to go to the doctors as soon as I can.
I’ve got so much work on so I’ve had to send an email to my boss to see if I can’t take some time off. It was weird because I felt like I had to indirectly say what was wrong with me and I was actually hold back tears whilst writing it.
Feels weird.
Kid Presentable
01-19-2009, 06:33 AM
yeah, i know that one, that sucks. i've kind of been in that spot for about 3 years now. i can't give you any advice on how to deal with it because i deal with it mainly by drinking alone and posting on the internet a lot and that's surely not the way. i would recommend seeing a doctor, but i'd be a hypocrite because i haven't done that myself
Tis satisfying to feel like a loser, and behave like one accordingly. It's how I roll, and I assure you you're too hard on yourself mate. The people who are 'happy' are far more fucked up and in denial than those of us who have embraced the limits and pointlessness of it all.
To Nothing!
That's what I've been thinking for the last year or so, I just thought that I was just getting more cynical as I got older and at one point I was actually embracing the fact that I thought I was turning into a realist.
I'd like to raise a glass to nothing, but I remember when I'd pour a little on the floor to it instead.
trailerprincess
01-19-2009, 08:50 AM
The past year I have been feeling a bit more 'meh' than usual and it is now manifesting itself in my complete lack of desire to socialise at all. I think I can count the times I have been out, since last June, on one hand. More disturbing is the couple of times I have forced myself to get dressed, put some makeup on and make plans, is that I have got to the front door of my house and THEN decided I can't go/don't want to and then hibernate inside. I really have no inclination to do anything majorly social these days and am becoming a bit of an agoraphobic I think. But then even if friends come over I'm anxious and can't relax until they've gone. Before this 'decline' I would constantly have to build myself up to go out and then I'd be always looking for my first possible opportunity to leave.
Maybe I'm not depressed and just plain old unsociable.
gbsuey
01-19-2009, 08:57 AM
Thankfully i don't suffer full-on depression but yeah i get depressed. I have a big confidence problem and life has been really shit actually for a long time because i'm not helping myself by putting up with things i really shouldn't and i don't know why or know what the hell to do.
Luckily i think i am fairly strong and i have my children who are my everything really and they certainly don't need a mum moping around and feeling sorry for herself.I do also have loads of old friends close-by but i find it hard to keep moaning on about the same shit all the time so keep it to myself mostly. So i put on a big smiley face to the world and wear mascara to make sure i don't cry too hard! You could give that one a go!!
I have considered going to see a councillor-i really hope you do go and see someone. Don't keep it in your head all to yourself.
The past year I have been feeling a bit more 'meh' than usual and it is now manifesting itself in my complete lack of desire to socialise at all. I think I can count the times I have been out, since last June, on one hand. More disturbing is the couple of times I have forced myself to get dressed, put some makeup on and make plans, is that I have got to the front door of my house and THEN decided I can't go/don't want to and then hibernate inside. I really have no inclination to do anything majorly social these days and am becoming a bit of an agoraphobic I think. But then even if friends come over I'm anxious and can't relax until they've gone. Before this 'decline' I would constantly have to build myself up to go out and then I'd be always looking for my first possible opportunity to leave.
Maybe I'm not depressed and just plain old unsociable.
These are pretty much the reasons as to why I'm single and losing contact with mates. I used to love going out for a night out but towards the end of 2007 I found myself travelling less and less to manchester and giving really stupid reasons as to why I couldn’t go out. During that time Heather moved in with me in Leeds and we both didn’t know anyone in the area so we pretty much stuck together for a while until recently she made some mates and decide to go out with them during last december. She asked me to come out but I never did and it drove a wedge inbetween us resulting in her wanting out.
The reason people stop going out as they get older is because nights out are geared up for chavs and people with no brains - or they are in the UK.
Loud music so you can't hear conversation, over priced sugar drinks only, no where to sit. Its hell. I am very unsociable, I celebrate the fact I am. If you are getting entertained then its a different story, you've paid money for it which is why my only nights out are gigs. But there is so many people who feel the same about entering into town and will avoid at all costs, maybe a network should be set up for such people...
HEIRESS
01-19-2009, 01:42 PM
exercise.
diet.
exercise.
sleep.
exercise.
the only natural mood correctors.
funk63
01-19-2009, 04:27 PM
exercise.
diet.
exercise.
sleep.
exercise.
the only natural mood correctors.
Scientologist!!!
of to the doctors to register, dunno if I'll be seeing someone but I'm so nervous. Stomachs in knots :(
Otis Driftwood
01-20-2009, 11:59 AM
Aw man, I wish I had made a thread about my depressions and shit when I was your age. Same cause, strange effects. Give it a year, then come back to read this thread, it ought to be funny in retrospect. If it's any consolation, it's verrrry unlikely things will get worse and if they do, you'll be able to take it in stride.
Well just got back. Been told that I'm clinically depressed and I need to take some tablets and see a therapist. :(
Can I be nosy and ask what drugs they gave you?
Don't say if you don't want, I know its cheeky to ask.
I'm obviously not a doctor (yet) but it concerns me that they give drugs out at first point of call. To me its like being told to go to the pub to help. I don't in anyway mean <-- this comment to be a go at you or any1.
Sorry dude; but I'm sure you'll start feeling better soon after your first few sessions.
I didn't want any but they told me that they weren't addictive (which is a relief). I just need time to think before I take anything.
Just made the mistake of ringing my ex. Thought it would be good of me to let her know why I've been like this. She bit my head off and treated me like shit and told me it was selfish that I'd let her know. What a selfish cow, I gave her everything.
honest advice is let her go. Don't contact her again. Delete her number maybe?
gbsuey
01-20-2009, 04:54 PM
Hey camo-sorry to hear you're still feeling shit. Delete that number, try and rest up and then tomorrow morning get up and hit the gym or go for a run-get those endorphins going! I know it's easier said than done tho. And make sure you book in to see that therapist.
Listen to some alphabeat while you excercise-that should perk you up a bit!
The lady i work for suffers full-on life destroying bi-polar depression and i think when she started taking regular excercise it keeps it at bay a bit. She's fighting it anyway and her "down" bouts seem fewer.
fucktopgirl
01-20-2009, 05:11 PM
EXERCICE is one of the key to regain control and a positive mindset.
YOGA is awesome too, its been only two week now that i do yoga 2-3 a week and i feel change already, more energy and more relax at the same time.
PIlls will not cure your broken heart. You have to deal with the situation and go out there and do some exercice. It will help to relieve your depression.
TimDoolan
01-20-2009, 05:11 PM
Been in the dumps since 04, I want drugs and psychiatrists but that costs money.
Been in the dumps since 04, I want drugs and psychiatrists but that costs money.
Free in UK. I keep saying it. Its a fucking embarrassment to the US that they given the impression they don't care about looking after their sick properly ~ just sayin'
edit: sorry; I got political then... ignore me.
Hey camo-sorry to hear you're still feeling shit. Delete that number, try and rest up and then tomorrow morning get up and hit the gym or go for a run-get those endorphins going! I know it's easier said than done tho. And make sure you book in to see that therapist.
Listen to some alphabeat while you excercise-that should perk you up a bit!
The lady i work for suffers full-on life destroying bi-polar depression and i think when she started taking regular excercise it keeps it at bay a bit. She's fighting it anyway and her "down" bouts seem fewer.
yeah the doc told me to excercise. Luckily the apartments I live in have a gym which is free so I'll attend when I can when can muster up the effort.
It's not fully about my broken heart, but this all happening at once (job,girl,mind, friends going) has made me realise that I needed to do something (y)
russhie
01-20-2009, 05:37 PM
Hope you start feeling better soon camo.
QueenAdrock
01-20-2009, 05:43 PM
There is a bit of difference between clinical depression and being depressed, and I think a lot of doctors misdiagnose it. Depression includes long spells of being depressed, even if there is no reason for it. It also includes irritability, loss of sex drive, anger, forgetfulness, inability to concentrate, anxiety, panic attacks, thoughts of hopelessness and worthlessness, and so on. Clinical depression will affect the person's ability to do normal activities, will put strain on relationships, friendships, and families. Sleeping and eating habits are changed, and the person's ability to function are basically destroyed.
With running the risk of sounding like a nerd, the science will explain the difference. What happens in the brain of a person suffering from depression is called "seratonin reuptake." Seratonin is the brain chemical that keeps your happy mental levels steady. It travels across the brain cell, and will "jump" to other cells via the synapse. In the brain of a depressed person, that chemical tries to jump, yet goes through "reuptake," meaning that it is re-absorbed by the same cell. Basically, what this all means, is that the seratonin does not spread to other cells, so it is physically impossible to have a stable mood. The common depression medications are reuptake inhibitors, which force the seratonin to physically pass to other cells, making the person able have a stable mood.
If it's ongoing and debilitating to the point that your life is affected, then it's best to do testing to see if you do in fact have clinical depression. It can be dangerous for a person going through a rough time to take medication for a serious disorder, so I'm somewhat wary whenever I hear people diagnosed for depression when they've just had depressive episodes. I'd take more than one doctor's opinion before you decide to medicate. In the meantime, exercise, sleeping and eating well, and forcing yourself to go out may help boost your mood in the short term.
na§tee
01-20-2009, 05:52 PM
russhie, you think you're 'fat' but you wear all of those short shorts and bikinis you post in the fashion thread? you either have serious body dysmorphia or are really really brave/have metaphorical balls.
i'm currently a size 16 and i've been bigger. i know what fat is. normal women saying they are 'fat' make me feel obese. of course we don't know what you look like :rolleyes: so you could be some massive heffer.. but, doubtful. eh, whatever... wrong thread.
on topic, don't be intimidated by seeing a doctor, camo. they're there to help you. heck, you pay for it! good luck.
Lyman Zerga
01-20-2009, 06:42 PM
Clinical depression will affect the person's ability to do normal activities, will put strain on relationships, friendships, and families. Sleeping and eating habits are changed, and the person's ability to function are basically destroyed.
word, im having that since i was 14
feels like im in a mental coma
Aw man, I wish I had made a thread about my depressions and shit when I was your age. Same cause, strange effects. Give it a year, then come back to read this thread, it ought to be funny in retrospect. If it's any consolation, it's verrrry unlikely things will get worse and if they do, you'll be able to take it in stride.
i go back and read the thread i made now and then, it does help a bit actually, even though my problems are still more or less the same, i'm just kind of used to them now
russhie
01-20-2009, 08:43 PM
russhie, you think you're 'fat' but you wear all of those short shorts and bikinis you post in the fashion thread? you either have serious body dysmorphia or are really really brave/have metaphorical balls.
i'm currently a size 16 and i've been bigger. i know what fat is. normal women saying they are 'fat' make me feel obese. of course we don't know what you look like :rolleyes: so you could be some massive heffer.. but, doubtful. eh, whatever... wrong thread.
I had an inkling something like this would be said, so I deleted my original post.
Yes, I own some of those clothes and yes, I wear them. I wasn't using this thread to bitch that I was fat, I was just pointing out that if I ever feel particularly stressed out or depressed it's usually a direct result of how I feel about the way I look, and that it's a problem for me. I was trying to relate, in my own way, to the whole depression topic thing.
You've indicated before that I come across as someone who is needlessly whinge-y about my appearance. I will readily admit that I have serious issues with the way I look, and the worst part is that I know most of the way I feel is irrational. Knowing that what I'm saying is stupid and wrong but not being able to stop feeling bad about the way I look isn't much fun, and the reason why I resent people calling me out for compliment fishing and such.
Having other people telling me I'm attractive won't fix anything until I can believe it myself. It's not my mission to make other people feel obese, I don't care about how other people look - all I know is that I have ridiculously high physical expectations for myself and that I'm constantly beating myself up mentally for not being able to reach them.
Anyway. Back to depression.
mikizee, i'm going to preemptively ask that you not say anything about asking for naked pictures
Lex Diamonds
01-20-2009, 09:55 PM
It also includes irritability, loss of sex drive, anger, forgetfulness, inability to concentrate, anxiety, panic attacks, thoughts of hopelessness and worthlessness, and so on. Clinical depression will affect the person's ability to do normal activities, will put strain on relationships, friendships, and families. Sleeping and eating habits are changed, and the person's ability to function are basically destroyed.
So it's basically the same as smoking weed then?
Burnout18
01-20-2009, 10:22 PM
I actually think that I don't like to be around people anymore which is weird because I'm hating being on my own!?!?
Holy shit dude, you nailed it, that is exactly how i feel. You fucking nailed it.
It is like I am disgusted with society, with fucking women acting like girls and superficial cunts; but yet at the same time, if i sit home on a friday night or saturday night then forget it, I'm even worse.... I'm not happy out with drinking buddies, I'm not happy staying in, alone.
hellojello
01-23-2009, 08:18 AM
I think was born depressed.
Eventually my dr was all like well we've pretty much tried everything you're just going to have to learn to live with it.
So i'll probably die depressed too.
Anyhow, like nearly everyone else said a lot of people experience clinical depression at some point in their life and its really nothing to be ashamed of. it's a shame more people aren't honest and upfront about it then perhaps there wouldn't be such a stigma around it.
It is true though, unless you've had it there's no way you can ever really know what it's like.
You'll probably get over it, most people do.
Just take your meds, exercise, leave time for yourself (rest), as well as focus on what you really want (hopefully staying motivated and not being depressed).
and don't forget what you do have to be thankful for.
Kid Presentable
01-23-2009, 08:23 AM
Most forms of happiness are just denial, anyway.
Most forms of happiness are just denial, anyway.
Been thinking along those lines recently. I've been looking back a lot over the past few years to actually see If I've done anything that has actually made me happy through to the core. Sure, I've had some good times but since finishing university with a first I can't recollect actually achieving anything that has made me really happy. Every single high is quashed by the undercurrent of the pending down. It's almost not worth being happy because I knew that once the elation wore off the feeling of balance was never tipped in the favour of positive. I can never just be ok, there is no middling in this. It's not a constant deep dark down, just a few clicks past the dividing line. It's definitely something that can be cloaked by a thin veil of denial. I'd plan around doing nothing, I'd make excuses that I was already going out instead of going out, I'd fault people without fault, I'd shy away from sleep and only ever achieve 4 hours at a time, I'd have ideas and give up when it came to action, I've lost all concentration and motivation, I haven't painted for years, I hardly see my family, I gave up on my friends and I gave up on me.
I want to come back to this thread in the future and feel both stupid and embarrassed about this.
hellojello
01-23-2009, 10:06 AM
When everything around is dark it's hard to remember what light even looks like. But that doesn't mean it doesn't actually exist.
Like when you haven't eaten pizza in ages, and then you have it again and it reminds you, how much you really loved it all along. Or maybe not pizza. Chocolate. or something like that.
It's like this. 'Look Mark, there is the light, you know you want it, you know it feels good, you know it makes you happy but oh look, some one has taken away your legs'.
hellojello
01-23-2009, 10:27 AM
It is a lot like that, I'm not going to lie.
Myu-to
01-23-2009, 11:07 AM
Yo Camo, you're good people. It's a little nerdy, but look at all of the friends that you have here. To me, happiness is not denial, but a distraction. You feel good, you feel bad, that's life. Everybody goes through shit that brings them down. Everybody has demons that they fight. Unforunately, you can't wake up, and make yourself happy, but try to think positive, enjoy the little successes in life. Things as simple as a good deep breath, and a nice heavy exhale.
If you did it, then I know that you just smiled a little, and that's a start.
Thanks mate, thats some good shit right there (y)
taquitos
01-23-2009, 02:15 PM
Anyone who doesn't wish everyday for death is delusional
I would have killed myself at least seven years ago if my brother wasn't already suicidal. I think it would tear the family apart.
Once they're gone though, it's curtains.
(Wait, was that the wrong thing to say here? I haven't read the thread yet.)
kaiser soze
01-23-2009, 02:20 PM
I gotta have seasonal affective disorder
If I can't bike, blade, play frisbee, catch, hacky sack, hike, camp I get down and out. I have yet to make it out this season because my girlfriend can't board due to being pregnant, we didn't even go snowshoeing =(
I hate gyms so I gotta find some other indoor activities...I guess I'm too lazy to bother
so it's my fault and as long as I admit it then I'm no longer sad
TimDoolan
01-24-2009, 04:20 AM
I gotta have seasonal affective disorder
Hell yeah man, in the summer I was happy and outside everyday, swimming and I was in good shape and now I'm inside all the time. Oh well I got fallout 3.
QueenAdrock
01-26-2009, 01:54 AM
So it's basically the same as smoking weed then?
Shit, I don't know what kind of weed you're smoking.
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