Missed opportunity with PB 20th?

[tjpop]

anyone else feel that there is/was a missed opportunity on Capitol/Beastie's part with the PB 20th? like had the regular version included something such as a lost track, iron-on, poster, or sticker set perhaps...SOMETHING collectible inside... you might have dropped some money on it? I'm talking about the fan who already has both the cd and lp from 89 of course, which I have (cassette, too!). Having those what would make me spend money on a newer version? Especially in this economy. Yes, the cd now looks like the fold-out album. so what. yes it's now remastered. so what. the old ones sound great to me. (hey that's what we fell in love with, right?!). yes, there is an expensive collector's set. so what. the only thing noteworthy is the poster.

now I'm in no way dissing here..as I love the new website and re-interest in PB, but I'm just not spending any money and think Capitol missed an opportunity that's all.

[darius]

I agree, there's no doubt that they could have sold more copies if at the very least the original b-sides were included, let alone a "lost" track. The remaster is nice and worth owning on my part, but the majority I believe can really care less about having a remastered album that already exists. I'm curious as to what the sales on this remaster will look like in the coming months, and to the upcoming cyh and ic that are due out soon. People are frugal in these desperate times (as well as the record companies) and sacrificing an album by your favorite group would be less likely if it contained something you didn't already have. Capital needs to step it up a notch for that extra cheddar

[Micodin]

yes it's now remastered. so what.

Wow.

I guess you haven't listened to it in it's greatness that has "enough bass to shatter your one frozen testicle".

I guess there is someone needs to whinge about something. I would of liked to have the B-Sides remastered. But, guess what? That all went away after I listened to the remastering. Shit sounds dope!

This "economy" bullshit people blame shit on is tired. If you are a true fan, and if want your "favorite record of all time" in a new package and great sound... you'll part with the cash.

I did.

[darius]

I did as well. There was no chance I wasn't going to own this or any other remaster. I just feel that there are fans who won't shell up the dough for a better sounding version that might have if there were extra treats in it. My fosgate 12's appreciate the new nut crackin bass as well:D

[RobMoney$]

Some fans/suckers will suck up the same album no matter how many times it's sold to them in a shinny new box.

[Brother McDuff]

Some fans/suckers will suck up the same album no matter how many times it's sold to them in a shinny new box.


too bad thats not the case here. a remaster of an album with the sonic frailty of PB is worthy far beyond the shiny new box. the only suckers are the fans who can't tell the difference. you just "dissed yourself in '09".

[Micodin]

you just "dissed yourself in '09".

Seriously.

They put in a lot of work remastering that complex and layered record. It just wasn't new "record packaging" that you are paying for.

The record sounds better on so many levels now. It's too bad people can't hear or recognize it. I guess bitching and whining is much easier.

[Knuckles]

Is it really worth buying?

I mean, I've purchased this album four times already. Am I really going to be blown away by the remastering?

[bigfatlove06]

Some fans/suckers will suck up the same album no matter how many times it's sold to them in a shinny new box.

I am that fan/sucker.

[RobMoney$]

All due respect man, but I think you know you're just a bit on the obsessive side when it comes to collecting.

[RobMoney$]

a remaster of an album with the sonic frailty of PB is worthy far beyond the shiny new box. the only suckers are the fans who can't tell the difference. you just "dissed yourself in '09".

I happen to have a system that's exceptional.
I can hear instruments being played and nuances on my original vinyl that you probably can't even hear on the remaster through an average system.

[Kid Presentable]

Nah, the remaster is worth it if you think it's worth it.

The pay-off will be the Paul's Boutique tour this year.

[Kid Presentable]

Some fans/suckers will suck up the same album no matter how many times it's sold to them in a shinny new box.

You ranted and raved about how great The Mix Up was, so don't act like the discerning consumer all of a sudden.

[RobMoney$]

I paid 13$ for that on Vinyl, and it was all brand new material, not a 20yr. old retread.
And the tour was by far the most creative tour they've ever done, and I stand by that statement today.

I'd be completely satisfied if they never recorded another lyric again.

[Kid Presentable]

I paid 13$ for that on Vinyl, and it was all brand new material, not a 20yr. old retread.
And the tour was by far the most creative tour they've ever done, and I stand by that statement today.

I'd be completely satisfied if they never recorded another lyric again.

Tour was gold, granted (even though I didn't get to see it lol thanks).

But what issue of your is it if I spend money on a legit remaster? I know every nook and cranny of the sound on that album - I hear the differences. Why do I have to be a sucker?

Paul's is pretty much the reason I love music. If it's even being given an ounce of attention by a band that have all but disowned and undermined it in a live setting and constantly recorded in its shadow (not always with success), then I'm all for it. To just hear them suggest that they'd consider thinking about maybe one day in the future but not too soon becoming interested in playing Stop that Train, and acknowledging that Lay it On Me and other non-setlist tunes were 'nice cuts' is a great thing to simple old me.

The one person who made every attempt to fuck up this community has been indulged in the past, and I'm personally glad to feel indulged now. It's nice. I'm one of 'the fans' and this is good times for me, and I think the band is doing a good thing if they even contemplate playing more of the PB material. Hopefully some other heads are glad for the staus quo, as well. I don't ask for much. Just happy to be happy.

[RobMoney$]

My point of view is that this just seems like a money grab, another last ditch effort to rape the fans once more for old material, simply repackaged in a shiny new box. I mean let's call it what it is.
Are we sheep?

I mean there's nothing new going on here that hasn't been done before. The new U2 album has already been announced to be marketed in the same format, the five different "packages". Cd, Vinyl, digital download, and they're including various sized books in their packages.
Here: U2 - No Line On The Horizon (http://www.u2.com/highlights/?hid=517), and I mean at least this is NEW material they're selling here.
They've also done the remaster thing too, but they included all the unreleased and b-sides with the remastered albums.

I mean man, how dope would a book of the Rickey Powell - Grassholf's - PB era pics be if it were included in some of these "packages". If you're gonna rape, at least offer me something worthwhile that I can convince myself it's a worth my buck, not a fucking $60 poster of the album art.


I'm not tryin to rain on anyone's parade, just my .02

[bigfatlove06]

All due respect man, but I think you know you're just a bit on the obsessive side when it comes to collecting.

Just a bit obsessive is an understatement (from your perspective)... Everything is relative. From your perspective (shared by most) it is insane to go to the lengths to which I go to find every release I can.

From my perspective the same can be said for people spend a shitton of money on expensive dinners (which wind up in the toilet) or new cars (which are depreciating assets). But, we all do it for the same reason. We have fun doing it. It's fun for us.

Maybe it's just a rationalization, but everyone makes decisions about how they spend their discretionary time & money. Collecting is how I spend a fair time of mine.

But, yeah... I readily agree that from almost everyone's point of reference I could be considered obsessive. I'm OK with that.:D

[RobMoney$]

I wasn't criticizing you for it at all, just stating a fact.
Most are not playing on your level when it comes to that game.(y)

[bigfatlove06]

another last ditch effort to rape the fans once more for old material, simply repackaged in a shiny new box. I mean let's call it what it is.
Are we sheep?


1) You can't rape the willing.
2) Some people like shiny new boxes (and the tracks sound much better IMO)
3) I call it a cool idea, something I have been hoping they would do for a long time
4) BAHHHHH.

[darius]

I for one am jealous as hell of bfl's collection. He's prob the only person that will one day be able to say "Yea I got that" in regards to everything.
BFL if you do decide to put together the complete set on discs, as stated on beastiemania, sign me up on whatever list I need to be on to buy a copy from ya :D You could make back some cash flow (not to be spent on fancy schmancy dinners at the ground round)

[Brother McDuff]

I'd like to break this post down, with all do respect to rob:


I mean there's nothing new going on here that hasn't been done before. The new U2 album has already been announced to be marketed in the same format, the five different "packages". Cd, Vinyl, digital download, and they're including various sized books in their packages.
Here: U2 - No Line On The Horizon (http://www.u2.com/highlights/?hid=517), and I mean at least this is NEW material they're selling here.
They've also done the remaster thing too, but they included all the unreleased and b-sides with the remastered albums.

Sounds like you should go juggle Bono's balls, if you ask me.

Here you go again about the packaging. It's a called a "remaster" not a "goodie bag". The whole feature is that the album sounds better, not that they're documenting every little fart caught on tape during 1988. It's not called "Paul's Boutique: Bonus Material Edition", or "Super Sweet Unreleased Photos Coloring Book Edition". Anything short of an entire unreleased album from that era is a waste of your time it seems.

My point of view is that this just seems like a money grab, another last ditch effort to rape the fans once more for old material, simply repackaged in a shiny new box. I mean let's call it what it is.
Are we sheep?

Sound quality makes an enormous difference actualy, but I honestly understand where you're coming from. Too many albums have been remastered that really weren't necessarily in need of it. Straight up money grabs, no shame whatsoever. But Paul's Boutique was seriously in dire need. For what it's worth, I'm a card carrying sound engineer. It's how I earn my living, been doing it for a long time. The mixes on Paul's Boutique are a nightmare. For the many who are sensitive to fidelity (and the many others who are and don't realize it) it's a beautiful thing. After all, it's about the music anyway, not the filler. If they wanted to put the b-sides on display they would have included them on the album in the first place.


I mean man, how dope would a book of the Rickey Powell - Grassholf's - PB era pics be if it were included in some of these "packages". If you're gonna rape, at least offer me something worthwhile that I can convince myself it's a worth my buck, not a fucking $60 poster of the album art.

Yeah, that shit is overpriced as fuck. I can't argue that.


I'm not tryin to rain on anyone's parade, just my .02


Honestly though, while I understand your plight, you need to understand that a remastering of Paul's Boutique, if not to you, means a whole lot to a lot of people. Alot of fellow fans of yours enjoy and appreciate this. Knocking it is kind of insulting to them. And hopefully you'll come to eventually recognize and appreciate the benefits of such a thing in the future.

[Brother McDuff]

I happen to have a system that's exceptional.
I can hear instruments being played and nuances on my original vinyl that you probably can't even hear on the remaster through an average system.


Sorry, but I find that pretty hard to believe.

[silence7]

I've got BFL's home address not more than three feet from me, he doesn't know it yet, but I'm on my way to pick up my 'NEW' collection!!!!! :p

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Yeah, a few stickers, a patch etc thrown in would have been nice, everyone loves free things, But I know I'm saving my pennies right now for what they're offering and I'll love every bit of what I can afford, whether it's the Cheapo package, or if I can save up enough for the Big Spender package. There are some bands you support, and some you just don't really care whether they record another album or not, Beasties I never feel ripped off when supporting.

[RobMoney$]

I'd like to break this post down, with all do respect to rob:




Sounds like you should go juggle Bono's balls, if you ask me.

Here you go again about the packaging. It's a called a "remaster" not a "goodie bag". The whole feature is that the album sounds better, not that they're documenting every little fart caught on tape during 1988. It's not called "Paul's Boutique: Bonus Material Edition", or "Super Sweet Unreleased Photos Coloring Book Edition". Anything short of an entire unreleased album from that era is a waste of your time it seems.

Yeah, but they aren't just selling you the CD or the Vinyl, it's packaged with a t-shirt or the digital download, and there's a reason the poster is only available with the premier package. It's called some marketing fuckface from the record company's idea of one last ditch effort to sell the same material yet again to the masses.

The improved sound quality is only worth so much to the average fan. Anyone posting here is obviously not the average fan. The Beasties could shit in a box and slap "Paul's Boutique" on the side of it and most of us would be tripping over ourselves to be the first in line to get one.
The extras (bonus tracks, t-shirts, photos, the $60 Posters) is what's going to draw in more moderate fans to buy the same album all over again. The moderate fan isn't going to spend $30 for a 20yr. old record they already have.

This is in no way me juggling Bono's balls, in fact I'm criticizing them just as much. Well, maybe not because at least U2 is selling new material, the Beasties are simply repackaging and improving old shit.




Sound quality makes an enormous difference actualy, but I honestly understand where you're coming from. Too many albums have been remastered that really weren't necessarily in need of it. Straight up money grabs, no shame whatsoever. But Paul's Boutique was seriously in dire need. For what it's worth, I'm a card carrying sound engineer. It's how I earn my living, been doing it for a long time. The mixes on Paul's Boutique are a nightmare. For the many who are sensitive to fidelity (and the many others who are and don't realize it) it's a beautiful thing. After all, it's about the music anyway, not the filler. If they wanted to put the b-sides on display they would have included them on the album in the first place.


There's a reason B-Boy Boulliabaise exists, there's a reason they had to cram all those tracks into one track. I'm not sure why they had to do it that way, but obviously their hand was forced by Capitol for some reason. The statement "Finally, it's the format the way the record was intended to be" points directly at that.
If they had to cram those tracks on the album that way, what makes you think they could have put "Some Dumb Cop" on there if they wanted to?



Honestly though, while I understand your plight, you need to understand that a remastering of Paul's Boutique, if not to you, means a whole lot to a lot of people. Alot of fellow fans of yours enjoy and appreciate this. Knocking it is kind of insulting to them. And hopefully you'll come to eventually recognize and appreciate the benefits of such a thing in the future.



Hopefully all those insulted fans can appreciate a "society" that isn't dominated by sheep. Differing opinions and points of view are a valuable thing. Maybe there's some fans who feel the same as me, but were apprehensive about posting a critical opinion.

[Micodin]

I happen to have a system that's exceptional.
I can hear instruments being played and nuances on my original vinyl that you probably can't even hear on the remaster through an average system.

Yeah, I call bullshit on that.

I'm not trying to say who's got the bigger dick when it comes to "systems"...

But, I have a home recording studio with Professional monitors, and the works.... plus, toys like Roland MC-505 Groovebox, Korg ElecTribe EA-1 Analog Modeling Synthesizer, Korg Kaoss Pad, Technics SL-1200 MK2 Turntable System, Ortofon OM S Needles, Vestex PMC-05 Pro III Professional Mixing Controller, M-Audio Fast Track Recording Interface, Sony MDR-700 Headphones, etc... (In case anyone wants to come over and make some beats.)

... and you can definitely can hear the differences between the original and the Remaster. No doubt about it.

Shit, you can hear major differences on your iPod. Without the hiss and vinyl pops from your old pressings.

To say their isn't difference is being tone deaf. (not def)

[Micodin]

Hopefully all those insulted fans can appreciate a "society" that isn't dominated by sheep. Differing opinions and points of view are a valuable thing. Maybe there's some fans who feel the same as me, but were apprehensive about posting a critical opinion.

And you can be ruler of your little made up "society".

Maybe you can call it the Rob Money Is Always Right Society (NGA)*

* NGA stands for No Girls Allowed.

You can have meetings in your Tree House, and charge 25 cents a meeting for Society Dues. Make up a pledge, eat cookies, and create a secret handshake.

That would be awesome.

[Laver1969]

I'll chime my two cents here. I am definitely one of the hardcore fans that likes the shiny new box.

I'm still waiting for Pooty to send me that extra Mike D. Fart-in-a-Bottle he won off of ebay.

First and foremost it's gotta be about the music. And the boys stepped up and did a proper remaster. Then to make it fun they put up a website. And are offering different packages. Sure $60 is too much for a poster but who cares. I agree with KP that it seems the boys have distanced themselves a bit from PB era...so to embrace it with a remaster bear hug is very nice.

Yeah the whole thing is a marketing campaign but that's ok. I think it was cheesier to drop Solid Gold Hits a couple of years ago. That was a more obvious "label rape" than this. And I still bought the cd and vinyl. :D

[ellwood_court]

Since the legal speedbump with rereleasing PB was that it couldn't include new material without opening them up to new sample clearance issues (it's been said elsewhere on the board that this is the reason the commentary had to be made available as a free download), the b-sides could've been treated the same way. They could have been given away online or made available as a free download with album purchase. Why not just leak them for free if you are legally bound from formally releasing them for profit? at least let everyone hear and enjoy them. Oh well.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I haven't had a chance to listen to the remastered tracks yet or listen to the commentary. Does anyone know exactly what they did to remaster? Did they re-sample all the music or did they remix or what? I'm just interested because I haven't heard any talk about the technical aspects of the remaster yet.

[tjpop]

I guess bitching and whining is much easier.


fine about the remaster thing... enjoy the new sound man. I guess I'm bitching and whining (as you say) because all I keep hearing is how the record industry is crumbling. (the cd selling part that is). now here's a perfect opportunity to move some copies, but the record heads don't think to include something. here's an idea: instead of the sowmwhat useless slipcase that the cd comes in - use that money for something else more exciting. no?
Now it could be that the Beasties wanted to go the subtle route, and keep it simple. that's fine, too. this is the album of sublties after all.

[darius]

And you can be ruler of your little made up "society".

Maybe you can call it the Rob Money Is Always Right Society (NGA)*

* NGA stands for No Girls Allowed.

You can have meetings in your Tree House, and charge 25 cents a meeting for Society Dues. Make up a pledge, eat cookies, and create a secret handshake.

That would be awesome.


I almost had to change my drawers after reading that

[Brother McDuff]

There's a reason B-Boy Boulliabaise exists, there's a reason they had to cram all those tracks into one track. I'm not sure why they had to do it that way, but obviously their hand was forced by Capitol for some reason.

Do your research, that was the band's idea. Capitol had nothing to do with it. Now you're just making stuff up.


Hopefully all those insulted fans can appreciate a "society" that isn't dominated by sheep. Differing opinions and points of view are a valuable thing. Maybe there's some fans who feel the same as me, but were apprehensive about posting a critical opinion.

Or maybe you just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

[dave790]

Different opinions are obviously valuable and healthy, but you can't force them. Labelling people or fans as' sheep' just because they don't think the same as you contradicts the very point you are making, Rob Money.

Anyway. On the remaster - I thought the b-sides couldn't be included as they weren't on the original release? I'm not gonna run away with that point as I have no idea if it is true, but in whichever thread I read it I remember thinking 'that sounds very plausible'.

I never understand why people try and argue why they shouldn't part with their own money for a release. Does anyone else actually give a shit? If you don't see the value in something, then you don't purchase it. That doesn't need to provoke discussion, it just needs common sense.

The idea that the Beasties are ripping off their fans with the remastering idea is ridiculous, as fans have been calling for a remastered PB as long as I've been on this board, without the band ever mentioning it themselves.

[tjpop]

voice of reason. dave790......man you are calm cool and collected! it's just a thread though. more about record companies than anything else.

I found out that the cd does actually come with a poster! so on that note, I am retarded for even starting this. end of thread. next topic...

[LongDuckDong]

Are you guys hungry? My mom bought a bunch of taquitos.

Come on, follow me.

[RobMoney$]

And you can be ruler of your little made up "society".

Maybe you can call it the Rob Money Is Always Right Society (NGA)*

* NGA stands for No Girls Allowed.

You can have meetings in your Tree House, and charge 25 cents a meeting for Society Dues. Make up a pledge, eat cookies, and create a secret handshake.

That would be awesome.


I bet you got that idea from your buddies at M2M.
Nothx.

[Micodin]

I bet you got that idea from your buddies at M2M.
Nothx.

I'm not cool enough to have buddies at M2M.

If they are taking applications for new buddies at M2M... I'm your guy!

pssssst... What's M2M?

[RobMoney$]

Different opinions are obviously valuable and healthy, but you can't force them. Labelling people or fans as' sheep' just because they don't think the same as you contradicts the very point you are making, Rob Money.

It's OK to not love everything the Beasties do.
They won't kick any of you out of the Beastie fanclub for disagreeing with them.

That's all I meant by the sheep comment.

[RobMoney$]

I'm not cool enough to have buddies at M2M.

If they are taking applications for new buddies at M2M... I'm your guy!

pssssst... What's M2M?


Mic2Mic.

You know, the guys who get in the front of the line for Beastie shows and let you cut in with them.

[Micodin]

Mic2Mic.

You know, the guys who get in the front of the line for Beastie shows and let you cut in with them.

Oh, yeah... those guys. Yeah, I'm cool with those guys. I guess. I've met Pooty and Laver. They seem like nice chaps.

I usually get passes for the shows. Cey is my man. No big deal. Just saying.

[Laver1969]

Oh, yeah... those guys. Yeah, I'm cool with those guys. I guess. I've met Pooty and Laver. They seem like nice chaps.

I usually get passes for the shows. Cey is my man. No big deal. Just saying.

Just for the record, I'm not a member of M2M and do not wish to be associated with M2M. I've stuck up for people on the site...but that was a long time ago. Things change.

And Micodin wears nice chaps too.

[LongDuckDong]

Now that she lives in NY she doesn't need you guys any more.

[RobMoney$]

I've stuck up for people on the site...but that was a long time ago. Things change.


Yeah, hate to say "I told you so" but,...

actually I kinda like telling people "I told you so".



BTW, I never meant to imply that I'm not happy about the remastering or the sound quality of the new PB. I just don't like the way it's being marketed to the hardcore fans is all.
It's like they know they have a group of Die-Hard fans who will buy their albums in every possible format known to man and they're using it to their advantage by making this "Collectors Package".

It's like some Gene Simmons Uber-capitolist type manuver.
I mean my man Yeahwho is living on soup for a week just so he can get the poster.
There's just something not right about it IMO.
That's my only beef.

[Documad]

Yeah, I call bullshit on that.

I'm not trying to say who's got the bigger dick when it comes to "systems"...

But, I have a home recording studio with Professional monitors, and the works.... plus, toys like Roland MC-505 Groovebox, Korg ElecTribe EA-1 Analog Modeling Synthesizer, Korg Kaoss Pad, Technics SL-1200 MK2 Turntable System, Ortofon OM S Needles, Vestex PMC-05 Pro III Professional Mixing Controller, M-Audio Fast Track Recording Interface, Sony MDR-700 Headphones, etc... (In case anyone wants to come over and make some beats.)

... and you can definitely can hear the differences between the original and the Remaster. No doubt about it.

Shit, you can hear major differences on your iPod. Without the hiss and vinyl pops from your old pressings.

To say their isn't difference is being tone deaf. (not def)

I'm trying to understand what you're saying. You can hear a big difference between what and what? Between the old vinyl and the new one? Or between the old vinyl and the new mp3? To my ears, my old vinyl sounds better than anything that comes out of my ipod.

If you're comparing the old vinyl and the new, what should I be listening for? I have a terrific home stereo system but it's quite old. All of my vinyl sounds better than anything digital but maybe it's my imagination. Maybe I'm a romantic.

I love that some of the guys here are paranoid that M2M is behind everything that happens. I hope that they keep bringing it up in every single thread. It never ceases to amuse me. :p

[RobMoney$]

I love that some of the guys here are paranoid that M2M is behind everything that happens. I hope that they keep bringing it up in every single thread. It never ceases to amuse me. :p


I don't think they're behind anything.
It's just that Lily already started the first Beastie secret society years ago.


Also, one of the best sounding systems I ever heard was this old quadrophonic stereo a friend of mine had, it was his dad's and we used to listen to Floyd on it all the time. Talk about music actually coming to life and throwing you around the room...

[LongDuckDong]

I love how Documad thinks that he's a part of M2M, but can't offer M2M anything, so in essence is just a fan of M2M. That's like being a fan of Tommy Hilfiger.

[pshabi]

I love how Documad thinks that he's a part of M2M, but can't offer M2M anything, so in essence is just a fan of M2M. That's like being a fan of Tommy Hilfiger.

Boy, you're dumb. Doc is a gal, fuckcrack.

[LongDuckDong]

Yeah, I know.

[Kid Presentable]

Much respect to Robert for his ability to voice opinions, though.

[bigfatlove06]

It's like they know they have a group of Die-Hard fans who will buy their albums in every possible format known to man and they're using it to their advantage by making this "Collectors Package".


There's just something not right about it IMO.
That's my only beef.

I would suggest that a "group of Die-Hard fans who will buy their albums in every possible format known to man" constitutes a demand (which in my opinion the Boys have been kind enough / shrewd enough to indulge / exploit)... Although exploit has a negative connotation, I'm as big a fan of capitalism as I am the Beasties so I don't use the term negatively. I wish it was out on MORE formats. A set of 10 x 7" colored vinyls would be a dream come true...

[Brother McDuff]

A set of 10 x 7" colored vinyls would be a dream come true...


Dude, you should be working for these guys. That's the illest idea I've heard in a while. I wonder if such pressing costs alot more or is about the same. I wish they woulda thought of that. (y) (y)

[silence7]

Picture Disc (http://www.juno.co.uk/products/317286-1.htm?currency=USD&utm_source=google_us&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google%2BShopping) would have been spiffy.....

[bigfatlove06]

Dude, you should be working for these guys. That's the illest idea I've heard in a while. I wonder if such pressing costs alot more or is about the same. I wish they woulda thought of that. (y) (y)

The only problem with doing something like that from a cost standpoint is that you probably wont get a tangible return on you investment. Not enough people are interested in having it. You can't mass market a specialty item because the demand is too small. But that hasn't stopped them from doing similar things in the past...

http://beastiemania.com/discog/show.php?r=lti77frpromo

not to mention the red, white, blue, and black reissues of hey ladies and some of the 7" and 10" formats that came from Ill Communication.

That's why I think that Rob sees it differently than I do. This band has a history of throwing out golden nuggets to the fans that (although I can't say for certain) haven't made them money, but have created a buzz amongst a core fan base. In the long run the biggest advantage to doing specialty releases like that is to keep a "buzz" in your core fans' community... Which (I again have no numbers to prove it) I think probably profits them in the long run

Afterthought - Yes I know the french 7" singles pack was not commercially available, but that just goes to prove a point... I think they just did it because they (or Def Jam) thought it would be cool, something they would like to have from one of their favorite artists.

[Micodin]

And Micodin wears nice chaps too.

It's true. I fashion them in all flavors.

Yeah, hate to say "I told you so" but,...

actually I kinda like telling people "I told you so".

Much respect to Robert for his ability to voice opinions, though.

Much respect to the rest of the board that has to take his opinions with a grain a salt and establish that they are just that. Some individual with access to a computer and the internet and his plethora of opinions.

The whole "I'm always right. and you are always wrong" attitude gets mighty stale after a while.

Seriously. We get it. You don't want the Remaster, Capital is ripping off the fans, your friend is eating soup for a week (really, what kind?), you have the best sound system in Philly, you like to wait in the back of the line at shows, and the people at M2M really get under your gullet.

We get it. Now, to the next topic...

What the fuck? They are going to remaster Check Your Head? I'm not paying good money for that bullshit! My old vinyl sounds perfectly fine!

It's times like this I miss Ritchie. Wait, I take that back.

[RobMoney$]

Much respect to the rest of the board that has to take his opinions with a grain a salt and establish that they are just that. Some individual with access to a computer and the internet and his plethora of opinions.

The whole "I'm always right. and you are always wrong" attitude gets mighty stale after a while.



Sorry, I'll never question the great OZ or their reasons ever again.
Enjoy your $60 poster, I'm sure they'll have similar things to rip you off with when they release the remasters of CYH & IC.

I'll still be there to call it what it is though,...Capoitol Records looking at the Beastie faithful and saying "Drill Baby, Drill".

[Micodin]

I'll still be there to call it what it is though,...Capoitol Records looking at the Beastie faithful and saying "Drill Baby, Drill".

And, I'll still be there will a job that gives me a nice income that affords me the luxury of purchasing the remastered Records of the Beastie Boys that sound nice every time I play them.

It's a win win.

I'm glad we could agree.

Next!

[RobMoney$]

My income is nicer than your income.

[Micodin]

My income is nicer than your income.

Cool. Good luck with all that.

[Brother McDuff]

My income is nicer than your income.


my dad can beat up your dad.





:confused: unbelievable.

[YoungRemy]

you can only submit your pictures and stories to the website to be considered cool by the band. if you buy the product you are a sheep.

didn't you guys get that memo? i didn't get a trading card or the 8' poster, i only bought a remastered version of one the most sonically diverse albums in decades... who needs quality?

my old PB CD was scratched and guess what track didn't make it into my Itunes? The Entire Boullabaise.

so for me, another purchase was necessary regardless.

thanks beastie boys for a great remastered product(y)

[Micodin]

my dad can beat up your dad.

Ha! McDuff in the place to be.

[RobMoney$]

you can only submit your pictures and stories to the website to be considered cool by the band. if you buy the product you are a sheep.

didn't you guys get that memo? i didn't get a trading card or the 8' poster, i only bought a remastered version of one the most sonically diverse albums in decades... who needs quality?


Why do people love to misrepresent everything I post?

I bought the vinyl. I'm not questioning the sound quality or the need for the remaster, I'm glad the album got remastered because the clarity was shit. I'm questioning the fact that the vinyl's being packaged with a CD, a t-shirt, and a poster for $130.

I never said I had the greatest system in the city of Philadelphia, I said I had an exceptional system. Micodin was the one who started getting all nerdy about the specs of his home recording studio. "I wasn't going to get into specifics, but..." and then got all specific. LOL.

And I can afford to buy 10 "Collectors Packages" of the PB remaster if I had the urge,...as if I'm only making my point because I'm indigent and can't afford to buy it. Get the fuck outta here with that noise man.
I'm just not that dumb with my chedder, and it doesn't make me any less of a fan because I feel that package is a rip-off.
The Vinyl and CD packages are fine in my book.


This is what I get for posting in BG. Fuckin nerd-herd.

[Micodin]

Why do people love to misrepresent everything I post?

Because most people like calling you on your bullshit.

I mean seriously... Like you know how much money I make, or have in savings. I know the last digit in your name is a dollar sign, but that doesn't make you my accountant. (And, if you are... do you know if my tax return is coming in on Friday?)

Only a Herb makes comments like "My income is nicer than your income.".

That's playground shit, not nerd shit.

[LongDuckDong]

Here I am.

Twenty-twanty-tweenty-anniversarary!



Do they have the Drew's Haunted Famous?

[RobMoney$]

Because most people like calling you on your bullshit.

I mean seriously... Like you know how much money I make, or have in savings. I know the last digit in your name is a dollar sign, but that doesn't make you my accountant. (And, if you are... do you know if my tax return is coming in on Friday?)

Only a Herb makes comments like "My income is nicer than your income.".

That's playground shit, not nerd shit.


Re-read the thread. See if you get the joke this time around.

You're the one who brought up your income being soo nice that it affords you nice shit, as if mine doesn't and that's what's behind my issue with the collectors package.
I could not care less about your income or the specs of your system, so spare me the details, Kthxbye.

[Micodin]

Kthxbye.

Cheers.

Moving on...

[Documad]

Some fans/suckers will suck up the same album no matter how many times it's sold to them in a shinny new box.

I happen to have a system that's exceptional.
I can hear instruments being played and nuances on my original vinyl that you probably can't even hear on the remaster through an average system.
When you started by making these two comments, can you see why it looks like you didn't buy anything new? Can you see why we thought you were saying that the remastered album itself was a money grab with no increase in audio quality from your original LP? I read your comments as saying that there was something wrong with them remastering the album at all. I'm glad to know we don't have any disagreement here.

I'm sure that many of us agree that $130 is too much for what's being offered in the big package. That's why most of us big fans are giving it a pass. Most people, like you and me, only bought a remastered CD or LP.

But I won't criticize anyone who wants to spend their $130 on the package. I certainly spent a whole lot more than that on Radiohead stuff last year. We all have silly things we splurge on. I'll save my extra $100 or so for (hopefully) Beasties' concert tickets. :p

[RobMoney$]

Sorry about that Doc,
I mean Micodin has clearly "called me on my bullshit" about that.
There's no way I can have an exceptional sound system that vinyl can sound great on.

[YoungRemy]

Why do people love to misrepresent everything I post?

I bought the vinyl.

oh, that was my mistake. between you calling other fans suckers and you buying the vinyl I got confused.

so you sucked it up, huh? what's the verdict?

This is what I get for posting in BG. Fuckin nerd-herd.

and what you give is what you get...

[RobMoney$]

That's right, the $130 package is a blantant ripoff. Do you disagree?
Why is that so hard for some of you to comprehend?
Am I typing it too fast, should I go slower?

$130

=

RIPOFF



Some of you are such blind loyalists to the Beasties it's hilarous.
You deserve to be bled for every cent they can get from you.
It's a fucking poster. What are you guys, 12?

[YoungRemy]

i don't disagree with you, Rob.

I just don't care what other people do with their own money...

My point was that if you are registering a new account to share your story and submit your photo for a trading card, maybe, just maybe, you are one of the suckers/fans you are referring to.

you are on the same team as half the nerds here.

$$ has nothing to do with it.

and that , sir, is my .02

[LongDuckDong]

That's right, the $130 package is a blantant ripoff. Do you disagree?
Why is that so hard for some of you to comprehend?
Am I typing it too fast, should I go slower?

$130

=

RIPOFF



Some of you are such blind loyalists to the Beasties it's hilarous.
You deserve to be bled for every cent they can get from you.
It's a fucking poster. What are you guys, 12?

OK, you don't dig the remaster. I haven't bought it either - any version. One day I might when I have extra cash lying around. But why keep bitching about it? What's that gonna solve? What do you expect to change?

Big deal. Some band remastered their album and put together an expensive superfan pack. You don't like it. We get it. Move on.

P.S. I am RobMoney$

[Brother McDuff]

I'll admit two things here:

1) As I think we've all recognized, the super package is overpriced. Done.

2) Rob, while you're not being a blatant asshole, I admit, you are definitely antagonizing. Everyone understands your stance, and I think everyone would have respected that and not jumped down your neck if you didnt feel the need to keep repeating yourself and insult who you call the "sheep".

I think its a dead issue at this point. We know how you feel, you know where other people stand, that's that. The conversation should move beyond this.

That said, has anyone received the grand prize package yet. I myself didnt go all out, but is that 8 ft panoramic as legendary as it sounds? Man, that's mantle-worthy shit. I wish I could paint each panel on a different wall in the live room of my studio.

[Micodin]

Yeah, my only problem was... There is speaking your mind, and there is being rude and insulting people. Calling fans sheep? Dissing the M2M peoples? Bragging about your "chedder"? (I hope you were talking about money and not cheese) There were more insults than getting your point across.

Some fans/suckers will suck up the same album no matter how many times it's sold to them in a shinny new box.

Yeah, hate to say "I told you so" but,...

actually I kinda like telling people "I told you so".

My income is nicer than your income.

Why do people love to misrepresent everything I post?

And I can afford to buy 10 "Collectors Packages" of the PB remaster if I had the urge

This is what I get for posting in BG. Fuckin nerd-herd.

Why is that so hard for some of you to comprehend?

Am I typing it too fast, should I go slower?

Some of you are such blind loyalists to the Beasties it's hilarous.
You deserve to be bled for every cent they can get from you.
It's a fucking poster. What are you guys, 12?

Seriously. You came out the gate (in my perspective) as someone that wasn't buying the new Remaster because it was a rip-off and anyone that was buying it was just pathetic Beastie loyalist sheep. But, you did buy the vinyl, so that just confused shit even more. You insulted good people on here and postured the entire time while doing it.

I don't have a problem with you. I respect the fact when people speak their mind. Keep doing it. I just think that when someone is speaking their mind and then starts to needlessly offend and insult others they end up sounding like a Bully. Their message usually gets lost in the mix of the insults and jabs.

The point is... If you don't like the product. Don't buy it. Radiohead, Bloc Party, Girl Talk, and countless other bands have put out big package sets on their websites that I didn't buy in the past year. But, I didn't feel the need to shit on the band/record company for putting it out or the people that purchased it. I didn't give it a second thought. I just sat back and said... do I really need this?

Whatever, whatever, whatever. I guess the point has been made. I'd just respect yours a lot more if people didn't get insulted. I mean, you are past 35 right? There probably are 12 year olds or teenagers that like the Beastie Boys now. And they probably read these messageboards. I'm sure they don't need some adult to tell them how to spend their cash. Unless it's their parents.

Cheers.

[RobMoney$]

L. O. L.

That was certainly a heartfelt and emotional post.
You probably take this place a little too seriously.

[Laver1969]

So, yeah, I wish they would've included some PB stickers in the fan packages.

[Micodin]

So, yeah, I wish they would've included some PB stickers in the fan packages.

Stickers are always a nice bonus.

[brmanuk]

Stickers are always a nice bonus.

I never use them though. I always keep them in 'mint' condition...even though I want to use them. Companies should start issues x2 stickers, that way I can have a mint one and a one I stick on my guitar.

[Micodin]

Yeah, I put them all over my flight cases for my Turntables and Record Case.

I kind of wish I saved some of the rare ones.

Yeesh, that sounds nerdy.

[ellwood_court]

Or you could just go to Office Depot or Staples, buy some adhesive printer paper and make your own stickers. You don't have to rely on the band to do it for you. Make as many as you want. Be creative and take matters into your own hands.

[Brother McDuff]

it would be nice if a handful of those giant panoram posters showed up on ebay, separate from the rest of the package. That's the only thing that dissapoints me about the whole package; the fact that you can't get those separate. You could wallpaper an entire outhouse with a poster that big!

actually you'd probly need two of them.

[darius]

yea, I'd totally but the shit out of that poster if it was sold seperately. One day maybe..

[Sir SkratchaLot]

it would be nice if a handful of those giant panoram posters showed up on ebay, separate from the rest of the package. That's the only thing that dissapoints me about the whole package; the fact that you can't get those separate. You could wallpaper an entire outhouse with a poster that big!

actually you'd probly need two of them.

Back when Grandroyal Reissued the album I bought the 8 foot flat-stock on ebay. It was in two 4 foot sections that you could line up with one another. It can be seen upon the wall above one of my record shelves in this tiny picture.
http://cdn.soundclick.com/04/images/m/song/manipulate+jacgetsuplate2.jpg?version=1

[Micodin]

Back when Grandroyal Reissued the album I bought the 8 foot flat-stock on ebay. It was in two 4 foot sections that you could line up with one another. It can be seen upon the wall above one of my record shelves in this tiny picture.
http://cdn.soundclick.com/04/images/m/song/manipulate+jacgetsuplate2.jpg?version=1

Sick.

[tjpop]

Back when Grandroyal Reissued the album I bought the 8 foot flat-stock on ebay. It was in two 4 foot sections that you could line up with one another. It can be seen upon the wall above one of my record shelves in this tiny picture.
http://cdn.soundclick.com/04/images/m/song/manipulate+jacgetsuplate2.jpg?version=1

i second the sick-ness!
correct me if I'm wrong...didn't they also have a t-shirt (similar to the one now) available with that 98 re-issue as well?

[RobMoney$]

I bought the Vinyl at my local shop for $16.99.

Just sayin'.

[pshabi]

I bought the Vinyl at my local shop for $16.99.

Just sayin'.

I ain't bought shit, yet. :o

[RobMoney$]

Having it on 180 gram and the slightly thicker stock sleeve is nice.
I guess the clarity is also more clear and even.

But I think my opinion has been made pretty clear already.
Not worth all the hoopla some are heaping on it IMO.

[Kid Presentable]

Link up some hoopla, cause I think the shit is just in your head.

[RobMoney$]

You know what Kid P,
I did have a few quotes right from this very thread that heaped praise on it,
but I'm just gonna leave it alone in the spirit of not wanting to rehash the same arguments that were made in here.

[Micodin]

Yeah, In Robs defense...

I think I remember he eventually posted that he liked the Remastering... Just not the exorbitant pricing of the packages that are offered on the website.

[ampm]

The remastered cd sounds just like my other PB cd. They should have made ammends with Ricky Powell and opened up the floodgates of PB gems (ie shows & photos).