Another cop - Another crime

[kaiser soze]

This time assaulting a 15 year old girl.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattle911/archives/163025.asp?from=blog_last3

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/401618_schene27.html

A King County sheriff's deputy accused of kicking a 15-year-old girl in the stomach pleaded not guilty Thursday to the fourth-degree assault charge he faces.

Deputy Paul Schene, who appeared in King County Superior Court to enter the plea, was charged in the incident last week following an investigation by the department. The gross misdemeanor carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail.

In court documents, Schene is accused of kicking the girl after she flipped her shoe at him.

Looks like there was more than a kick, this was a straight up attack! The charge is quite lean considering this was more than a kicking and the video clearly shows him throwing, punching and pulling her by her hair.

[RobMoney$]

Has this cop been charged with doing something similar in the past,
or are you just trying to stereotype all cops as criminals?

If you're doing the latter, it's disgusting and I hope the admins delete the thread, and while they're at it I hope they delete you from this MB.

[kaiser soze]

so, which one was it rob?

Pointing out that cops can be very bad people or a woman getting attacked by a cop set you off?

I think it is very important that people know what our law enforcement are doing behind our backs ( and obviously in Oscar Grants case in public ). If they can't uphold the law while treating citizens decently and within their rights, and act professionally under stress than who can?

sorry I hurt your feelings :(

or are you just trying to stereotype all cops as criminals?

Once again you're trying to place thoughts in my mind and words in my mouth. Talk about a weak argument. I said Another Cop not Cops ya fuck

oh wait...it was Cops! There was another helping this guy with the beat down rather than protecting this girl from this man's outrage.

yeah....bad cop(s) deserve to be pointed out. They are working on our dime, abusing our laws, and getting away with it

suck it up

[RobMoney$]

I live in a city where cops are being killed on an average of one every two months. Seems like everytime I turn around I'm reading about another one being shot by some sub-human piece of shit who's celebrated by the Ghetto community for killing a cop. They actually come out and protest at the police funerals. They're celebrated and urged to urinate and deficate on shrines made for the murdered officers.
Frankly, I don't know how anyone can do that job and it makes me sick when I see people criticize police officers and the job that they choose to do, because it's a thankless one and people like you are part of the reason why it's soo thankless.

I wonder if you can tell me why this sweet and innocent little 15yo girl was in police custody in the first place? You only want to present a one-sided argument that benefits your point.
What did she do?
Just because one cop may be guilty of abuse doesn't mean they all are, you piece of shit.
I mean if you're soo apalled by the job cops are doing, why don't you personally do something about it and become one.
You could show the other abusive officers the err of their ways. You could be the beacon of good police habits for them.



Yeah, I didn't think so.

[kaiser soze]

Maybe for a moment rob you will stop and think and realize that BAD COPS do nothing to keep our GOOD COPS safe. They generate the stereotype, not I nor the 15 year old girl who was arrested for stealing her mom's car -

The Bad Cops bring the good cops down...period, and you tolerating this kind of behavior only enables the Bad Cops and the criminals attacking the good cops.

That is what the story says so far and that is all she was guilty of at the time of this cops attack on her. Do I know her history with law enforcement?

No...but we do know that this cop attacked her by the video shown. That is all the proof that is needed.

It disgusts me that you will defend cops behaving like this and placing a teen girl in the same category as the scum who kill cops, talk about stereotyping!!

If you have such a problem with me pointing out this blatant and violent violation of this girl's rights. Maybe you need to live in a society that forgoes the rule of law, civil, and human rights. That is not what you are concerned with here, you are concerned about me pointing out a cop violently attacking a young girl who never committed a violent crime.

I can guarantee that I have worked much more closely with law enforcement than you, both in the military and as a college administrator. I have seen excellent policing and I have seen poor policing. I support the good cops and I have no support for bad cops.

You really believe this girl deserved this don't you?

[RobMoney$]

You really believe this girl deserved this don't you?

No, I question whether she deserved it though.
I question what she said or did to provoke such a response from that cop.
That's why I asked for the whole story.

I mean how would you feel if I made a thread titled "Another ex-Military ex-college admin, another piece of shit"

[kaiser soze]

first the story was provided in my original post...but here are a few more to ease your confusion

http://news.google.com/news?q=deputy+paul+schene&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&ei=4nWpSZ7DMISTnget3MzrDw&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title

Have you worked in law enforcement?

I have - I did some work as Security Police in the A.F. while waiting for my clearance. We were trained on many things including handling unruly people in custody and not once was I told to kick, punch or grab people by their hair.

I wish I could understand your support for abuse but I just can't

I'm so sorry :(

Continue with the name calling, I find it entertaining

I guess this should be tolerated and justified as well?

http://www.truthed.com/videos/471_chicago_cop_beats_the_shit_out_of_femal_barten der.htm

Men and women are not forced to serve in the police force and they know damn well the dangers and the stress related to this line of work. If they are not strong enough to handle the job they should not be cops.

[Lyman Zerga]

so, which one was it rob?

Pointing out that cops can be very bad people or a woman getting attacked by a cop set you off?

I think it is very important that people know what our law enforcement are doing behind our backs

who the hell doesnt know that?

i trust no person only because of his/her job alone

[kaiser soze]

good

you should stay alert these are your rights

a uniform should never give carte blanche to thugs

[Whatitis]

I think it's the title that has Rob so worked up. I can argee with him on that. You come off very anti-authoritative, in many posts.

Maybe a better title would be - Another Bad Cop Revealed.

[RobMoney$]

Exactly^^^

Ok, I read the info provided in that link about the case.
Seems like the girl was asked to remove her shoes when entering the holding tank (standard proceedure) and the sweet and innocent litle bundle of joy decided to kick them at the officer.

I'm not saying the cop was justified (he clearly overreacted) but clearly this girl has problems with authority. At 15 she's stealing cars and disrespecting Police.

Turning her into a martyr will only further reinforce her disrespect for authority.

[kaiser soze]

The title is just fine, it is Another Cop committing Another Crime. I don't see anything cryptic or anti-authoritarian about it. I didn't post anything inflammatory in the initial post either so I'm missing your point.

I am not anti-authoritarian but I am against the exploitation of authority

Now if I posted "Pig assaults girl, FUCK THE POLICE!" Then I might understand.

oh well....I can't speak for robmoney's response, if people haven't noticed he and I could say hi to each other and still get into fisticuffs

Obviously this cop has a problem handling attitude from a 15 year old kid, I don't think beating this girl will make her understand authority any better. It is his attack that will make her a martyr.

And Honestly I can't imagine him trying to handle a situation much worse...oh wait he already filled a man with 11 bullets.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/302017_inquest01.html

Justified? More so yes

Excessive? Absolutely

This cop needs to be removed from the force and face his sentence, he is stressed to the teeth.

[Whatitis]

Hey, I'm just saying that it is how you come off sometimes.

This cop should be nailed for this assault. He went totally overboard. I feel bad for the girl, she might not have had any respect and a whole lot of attitude but now her head is fucked as to how she will perceive any cop. Understandably.

[kaiser soze]

no doubt. It is he who has turned the opinion of authority against him and his fellow cops.

I'm sure if teens received the kind of training cops did, we would never see them acting like well.....teens. This girl might be a special case, usually called a "troubled teen". I'm sure stealing cars isn't considered natural behavior, but giving attitude is for kids and that doesn't excuse the cop to beat her down.

[yeahwho]

It was her moms car, if I had to count how many times my friends and I jacked our parents or relatives cars we'd be laughing at around 20. That shit is fun to do. I grew up in King County and I've had a few punches to the head on the elevator ride up to the 6th floor booking/jailhouse... I complained to the County ombudsman about the bullshit, but even in my drunken haze realized it was procedure.

This story is huge here in Seattle today, everybody is talking about it at work. The crime doesn't fit the beating. That shit is excessive. I doubt anyone becomes a martyr out of this, just some more fucked up people walking around trying to make sense of a world that is dragging them down.

I'm just going to walk on.

[checkyourprez]

cops fuck up.

look, cops are humans, some of them dont even go to college. they have a very tough job, where as you might fuck up a decimal at your job they are in heated situations where their life is on the line. do they sometimes cross the line? absolutely. is it acceptable, no. is it understandable? it can be. they are under a lot of pressure. unfortunately with a cop when he fucks up it can turn into a really big deal, while most people at their job when they fuck up, it just simply isnt.

[kaiser soze]

dude, I've been fired for telling someone to fuck off. That doesn't even compare to this kind of treatment. This is assaulting a teenage girl.

How do you think people would think of you if you assaulted a teen girl for flicking her shoe at you?

I have no sympathy for people who choose to be in this line of work and straight up assault ( or murder ) a person when it is not warranted.

yes cops are human but so are their victims.

[RobMoney$]

It was her moms car, if I had to count how many times my friends and I jacked our parents or relatives cars we'd be laughing at around 20. That shit is fun to do. I grew up in King County and I've had a few punches to the head on the elevator ride up to the 6th floor booking/jailhouse... I complained to the County ombudsman about the bullshit, but even in my drunken haze realized it was procedure.

This story is huge here in Seattle today, everybody is talking about it at work. The crime doesn't fit the beating. That shit is excessive. I doubt anyone becomes a martyr out of this, just some more fucked up people walking around trying to make sense of a world that is dragging them down.

I'm just going to walk on.

Yeah, I stole my grandmom's car more than once when I was 15, my friends all did the same. Never got caught or arrested for it, although I was arrested for other things at that age (which I won't go into).

I understand that wholeheartedly.

Where this girl loses me is the kicking the shoes at the officer when being placed in the holding tank. This type of disrespectful behavior is all to familiar in todays society when it comes to police.
I would never have dreamed of flicking my shoes at the cop when I was that age. I would have expected to have my head pushed through a wall and then slammed on the ground for such an act.

Call it a hunch, but I'm willing to bet this girl showed other little acts of disrespect while in custody. I bet the cop had just had enough of her act and just couldn't tolerate it anymore.
I'm not saying it's right, but I bet that's how it went down.
Maybe if she had a parent who cared enough for her to teach her a little respect for authority she wouldn't be in this situation.

[checkyourprez]

dude, I've been fired for telling someone to fuck off. That doesn't even compare to this kind of treatment. This is assaulting a teenage girl.

How do you think people would think of you if you assaulted a teen girl for flicking her shoe at you?

I have no sympathy for people who choose to be in this line of work and straight up assault ( or murder ) a person when it is not warranted.

yes cops are human but so are their victims.

when it comes down to it, dont fuck with the police. she throwing shoes and giving tude, its going to illicit a response. this dude happened to go off the handle. in most peoples jobs they would want to kick someones ass at their work, i bet everyone here would like to kick someones ass at their work at one time or another.

the difference between us and cops is they actually are within their rights to kick someones ass at work, sometimes. and the line defiantly gets blurred, and shit like this happens. it shouldnt, but like i said man its hard to always separate your emotions from your job, especially when a the position of a police office lets you wield so much power.



and honestly dude, do some of this shit in china and see how you are treated. we def have it lucky in this country when it comes to this shit.

[kaiser soze]

I would hardly consider kicking a shoe towards a cop as "fucking with them". It is disproportional and overtly violent repsonses like this that definitely deserve the exposure and scrutiny and most importantly the judgment.

Uh...cops do not have the right to assault people, and just because people want to kick someone's ass does not give them the right to do it and especially not a teen girl.

What if this was a drunk woman pissed off beyond hell and screaming at him? I wonder what he would have done to her.

Here is an example how someone like him handled their situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxgNKNEtk18&feature=PlayList&p=75EC3A5C69D24F48&playnext=1&index=8

http://www.ksla.com/global/story.asp?s=7892373

I love the poor excuse of saying that "at least we aren't this or that place", we are still better because blah blah. Well if people like you continue to tolerate this then eventually we will become like that place.

Thanks for helping!

[kaiser soze]

Where this girl loses me is the kicking the shoes at the officer when being placed in the holding tank. This type of disrespectful behavior is all to familiar in todays society when it comes to police.


I have a feeling they told her to take off her shoes for safety, and her kicking the shoe was barely anything. It looks like she may have called them names but if a cop can't handle some childish name calling then he needs to rethink his profession.

Instead of keeping his cool and charging the girl with assault, the cop is now
facing charges, what a massive failure in his judgment and a true testament of his capabilities as an officer.

More video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmcGJzgdizs

[checkyourprez]

no, if police aren't allowed to do their job, including some unfortunate incidences like this, than we will end up in a lawless shit hole.

answer this question honestly. if she doesnt act like a little brat and kick that shoe at the cop does the cop act the way he did?


you are so quick to condemn the police officer but the teen gets a pass for provocation because...?

[kaiser soze]

Actually this kind of behavior by the police is in essence the absolute lawlessness - The police are not judge, jury, and executioner

Are You asking If the girl didn't act like a brat would the cop not have acted the way he did?

I'm gonna say no, but we do not know what transpired, how the girl was treated prior to, all we see is a vicious assault and that is enough proof of his crime.

I am quick to condemn this cop because of obvious reasons. It appears that this girl was not an absolute threat to him and he had absolutely no right to assault her.

All he had to do was close the door, go to his desk and report her shoe kick towards him. Job well done.

[checkyourprez]

ill be first to agree the video shows the cop going over the top more than stallone.


but like i said man, sometimes shit just adds up. its not an excuse but people have a breaking point. he probably will and should be punished for it. but i bet that girl is going to think a little harder next time she thinks of calling a police officer a fat pig and whatever else she hurled at him.

[kaiser soze]

I doubt his assault will add any warm feelings to her seemingly negative impression of law enforcement already.

you are right, shit does add up....who is to say the shit wasn't adding up for her as well?

[RobMoney$]

I am quick to condemn this cop because of obvious reasons. It appears that this girl was not an absolute threat to him and he had absolutely no right to assault her.

All he had to do was close the door, go to his desk and report her shoe kick towards him. Job well done.

What fucking planet do you live on?

Like it or not, disrespect a cop and you more than likely have an ass-kicking coming to you. Everyone knows that.
And you know what, I'm fine with that.
She sounds like she's on her way to being a real winner in life.
I have a 15yo daughter and I couldn't imagine her even daring to show a cop disrespect. A cop wouldn't do anything compared to what I would do to her.

If you're parents haven't taught you to respect society the police surely will.

There have been soo many cops killed in my city in the past year and a half, I wouldn't blame them if they just started approaching routine traffic stops with their weapons drawn and pointed because this shit has got to stop.

[kaiser soze]

:rolleyes:

Cops being killed in pennsylvania does not justify an adult male officer assaulting a teenage girl in washington state.

These things are not related, each case an officer handles is a new case. He or she leaves the last behind, if not...they become volatile and eventually break and unfortunately for society do horrible things.

I hate the fact that officers die in the line of duty, I honor and appreciate their sacrifice just like you. I already said I respect authority, just not the exploitation of it.

Sadly though...cops who do shit like this do not honor that sacrifice, they tarnish reputations, destroy trust, and endanger their fellow officers.

A cop wouldn't do anything compared to what I would do to her.


oh snap, I missed this...so what would you do to your daughter?

[Burnout18]

once upon a time i was boderline harassed for making the arguement robmoney is making here today, if anyone cares/remembers robmoney is basically summing up what i tried to say......

The way the title is written you make it sound like there is such an epidemic.
But, for the amount of encounters that police have with civilians on a daily basis all across the nation, how serious is the problem with police brutality in this country?

[Schmeltz]

If the point is that police brutality is relatively rarely perpetrated and usually quickly investigated, and that such instances of it that do occur shouldn't damage our basic trust in the integrity of the people who sacrifice their lives and their bodies to the cause of our safety, then I'm all for it. I've had nothing but negative experiences with police, but that hasn't stopped me from remaining committed to the ultimate necessity of their task.

If the point is that this child - for a child she is, at 15 - had a vicious beating coming to her because she threw a shoe (a fucking shoe) at a grown man in a position of well-defined social and judicial responsibility, then I call bullshit. If this guy can't handle a little kid throwing a shoe at him, how can he handle a drug dealer firing a gun at him? How is this in any way even close to doing the job he is paid to do? How can anybody sit there and make excuses for this animalistic behaviour, especially from a police officer?

It sounds like most people in this thread want to have it both ways. Like it's OK to excuse this cop because this little girl deserved to be savaged by an ostensibly responsible authority figure for daring to be harmlessly immature. Sorry but that doesn't fly. Police officers are not meant to dispense draconian physical punishment for any perceived transgression, they are meant to enforce the law. And when the guardians of the law are themselves unable to follow its precepts, that makes them unfit for their jobs and completely subject to exposure and prosecution for their failure in the line of duty. Police officers are not offered their positions with the understanding that they are free to kick the shit out of anyone who gives them disrespect, they are granted their powers with the trust that they will use them wisely. The human agents who are assigned the power to enforce the state's monopoly on violence are also entrusted to wield that power with a prerogative of responsibility. That's the bottom line.

Anyway I'm glad I'm not RobMoney's daughter. I can only imagine what that must be like, but I'd prefer not to.

[Bob]

What fucking planet do you live on?

Like it or not, disrespect a cop and you more than likely have an ass-kicking coming to you. Everyone knows that. And you know what, I'm fine with that....If you're parents haven't taught you to respect society the police surely will...I wouldn't blame them if they just started approaching routine traffic stops with their weapons drawn and pointed because this shit has got to stop.

it doesn't really seem to be working though, does it? beatings do not lead to respect, it just seems to lead to more hostility which leads to more beatings which leads to...well anyway, all i'm saying is that there's no excuse for cop killing, and kids shouldn't be kicking shoes at cops, but i really don't think that state sanctioned ass-kicking is particularly effective at solving this little problem. state sanctioned ass-kicking just seems to lead to more cop hating. that's my view of it anyway, maybe i'm way off

i mean i have sympathy for cops, i truly do; it's a dangerous, thankless, shit-paying job that nonetheless must be done but when cops start taking out their frustrations by beating the shit out of every runt that disrespects them, well i don't know, i don't understand why i'm supposed to empathize with that.

[RobMoney$]

Anyway I'm glad I'm not RobMoney's daughter. I can only imagine what that must be like, but I'd prefer not to.


I'll bet you wonder what it's like to be a young girl often.

[RobMoney$]

it doesn't really seem to be working though, does it? beatings do not lead to respect, it just seems to lead to more hostility which leads to more beatings which leads to...well anyway, all i'm saying is that there's no excuse for cop killing, and kids shouldn't be kicking shoes at cops, but i really don't think that state sanctioned ass-kicking is particularly effective at solving this little problem. state sanctioned ass-kicking just seems to lead to more cop hating. that's my view of it anyway, maybe i'm way off

i mean i have sympathy for cops, i truly do; it's a dangerous, thankless, shit-paying job that nonetheless must be done but when cops start taking out their frustrations by beating the shit out of every runt that disrespects them, well i don't know, i don't understand why i'm supposed to empathize with that.

I'm not advocating police beatings.
I'm just trying to point out the problem with the title "Another Cop - Another crime".
It draws an unfair parellel between the overreaction of one cop to the millions of cops that perform admirably under extreme circumstances on a daily basis.
I'm kind of sick of the cops being scrutinized under such a public magnifying glass, yet we turn the blind eye to the actions of the criminal so often.
It's bullshit.

[kaiser soze]

I'm not advocating police beatings.

oh rly?


Like it or not, disrespect a cop and you more than likely have an ass-kicking coming to you. Everyone knows that.
And you know what, I'm fine with that.


Anyways, the title is fine and honest...Another cop did commit another crime

[RobMoney$]

Ok, I'll edit that.
I'm not advocating police beatings for people who show police respect.
If you aren't intelligent enough to do that you, why should they treat you with any respect?

And no, the title is a fucking joke, like you.
And you're just another douche-bag bleeding-heart campus liberal making more excuses for, and minimizing the disrespect the scum of society continues to show.

Go back to the quad and organize a rally or something.

[kaiser soze]

I don't know what to say, I'm flattered :o

rob, this is why I like to argue with you....you always sink to depravity and eventually you show your true colors and I believe that is what people need to see around here: That you are a weak person (still on hidden) who wishes they had more power and control over others, a person who truly doesn't mind dehumanizing others, a person who always falls to name calling and slurs because you have nothing else to fall back on.

Keep enabling wife beaters and child attackers and corrupt people with power I'm sure that'll fix the problem!

[RobMoney$]

As long as you keep on doing things like disrespecting the police, I'll keep on calling you out on it.

And in case you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not really concerned with what you think about my opinions. I'll keep saying what I think, and I'll keep being invisible, no matter how much you complain about it.

PS. quit stalking me. The only people concerned with someone being invisible are stalkers.

[RobMoney$]

rob, this is why I like to argue with you....you always sink to depravity and eventually you show your true colors and I believe that is what people need to see around here: That you are a weak person (still on hidden) who wishes they had more power and control over others, a person who truly doesn't mind dehumanizing others, a person who always falls to name calling and slurs because you have nothing else to fall back on.

Apparently people are starting to see you for what you are too, Kaiser.

I think it's the title that has Rob so worked up. I can argee with him on that. You come off very anti-authoritative, in many posts.

Maybe a better title would be - Another Bad Cop Revealed.



Hey, if I can use you as an example on here to make people see why everyone hates campus liberals on an MB filled with campus liberals, then I'm winning.
Keep up the good work (y)

[Schmeltz]

I'm not advocating police beatings for people who show police respect.
If you aren't intelligent enough to do that you, why should they treat you with any respect?

Because, like I said before, that's their job. It's pretty telling that you'd rather descend into petty insults than actually address that point. The cops are always going to be under a magnifying glass because that's how we make sure they are responding properly to the responsibility with which they are entrusted. There's nothing unfair about that at all. kaiser's tone might have been a little out of place, but the story still deserves recognition, as does any untoward abuse of power or authority.

[RobMoney$]

Because, like I said before, that's their job. It's pretty telling that you'd rather descend into petty insults than actually address that point. The cops are always going to be under a magnifying glass because that's how we make sure they are responding properly to the responsibility with which they are entrusted. There's nothing unfair about that at all. kaiser's tone might have been a little out of place, but the story still deserves recognition, as does any untoward abuse of power or authority.

I'm always amazed how often I have to keep reitirating my point with people on this MB.
People love to take what I say off on wild tagents.

I'm not defending this cop's actions at all. NEVER DID.
He went to far and I agree with you that it's newsworthy.

My issue was with Kaiser's title "Another cop - Another crime" drawing an unfair parallel to ALL cops being criminals.
I've been seeing too many killed lately for me not to comment about unfair criticism like that.

[Dorothy Wood]

I like how people are acting all like they know everything about cops and/or jail and/or teenage girls in here. and kaiser's getting guff when he's clearly the guy with the most practical experience? that's rich.

whether or not kaiser is being reactionary (I don't think he is), he and schmeltz have brought up really important points. some of you are just giving reasons for why the cop would react that way...but reasons aren't excuses. there is no excuse for a cop to beat someone up when they pose no physical threat. stress or no stress, it is wrong and against the law.


anyway, I just wanted to say that a lot of cops are dicks. I mean, you kind of have to be a dick to want to be a cop. sure sure, there are some fine upstanding men and women on the force and it's a noble job...but you can't tell me that the type of person who becomes a cop doesn't have a little something to prove?

*ducks shoes*

one time I got apprehended by police whilst drunk in savannah, GA during the street festival thingy they do for st. patricks day. people were leaving and cars were trying to drive through the crowd, one clipped my friend so I slapped the tail light and said, "hey!" and then I thought it was funny, so I kept on slapping people's tail lights. and then a guy came up behind me and put my arms behind my back aggressively, so of course I screamed and jerked out of it only to have him restrain me even harder. he said he was a cop (he was actually just a security guard) and I'd been accused of breaking someone's tail light (which was ridiculous, open hand slaps do not equal breakage), so he dragged me over to a group of policemen who seemed like they were 10 feet tall. anyway, I was drunk as a skunk (like pretty much every single person in the street), and got pretty mouthy. I just kept proclaiming my innocence while my friends looked on in terror.

I was all, "dust for fingerprints, I didn't do it!" and whatever other dumb stuff I thought was funny at the time. the cops were very calm with me, but also did not take my shit. after a few minutes, the guy who had the broken tail light told them it wasn't me and they let go of me. I yelled, "ha! I told you!" and the main guy said quietly and sternly, "ma'am, you need to shut. your. mouth. and get out of here, or I'm going to arrest you for drunk and disorderly." so I zipped the lip and my friends and I just ran for our lives. ha ha.


anyway, I feel like that situation was handled well by the police. the apprehension thing was a little over the top, but I can see how it would be necessary had I been the guilty party. those cops took me down a peg in the right way. they didn't need to beat me up to teach me a lesson.


I have more to say on this because I find the topic of police vs. citizens very interesting. but I'm sure if I write more, even I'll stop paying attention. :/

[kaiser soze]

PS. quit stalking me. The only people concerned with someone being invisible are stalkers.

Now that is rich....it is those who stalk who like not to be seen

Dude I don't want your donuts, so don't worry about me stalking you. You are the one responding to my posts after you have already made it clear that you don't like me through your colorful laundry list of names. There is an ignore button, just use it please.

And I'd like to add my initial tone wasn't bad at all. I didn't post any inflammatory statements, didn't call the cop any names, nor did I advocate any form of irrational response. This was actually quite an objective post compared to past threads like this. It is not I who put this cop in this position, he did it to himself.

[Lyman Zerga]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF9ow4rDnKA

this should explain it all

[kaiser soze]

Neighbors react to the video

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29447833/

"That makes me sick, physically sick," Sue Sandell said.

She and her daughter Amber saw the tape today for the first time.

"You don't need to be physically punished for that, not at that age," Amber said.

"The girl is 15 years old, that's so uncalled for," Rich McAnich said.

"Then he pulls her up by her hair, after she's already handcuffed? What's the point of that?" McAnich said.

So they did try to cover this up?

The tape only surfaced after another sheriff's department detective viewed it and reported it to her superiors. The other deputy did not report the incident - and the sheriff's department won't say whether he faces any potential repercussions.

wow, I hope his sidekick gets charged for failing to report the crime

[Whatitis]

Thoughts and prayers to the families effected inOakland (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090323/ap_on_re_us/police_shot_calif;_ylt=AkVnvS8yd1JGuWF9zw73qXRvzwc F). The cops investigating the aftermath where taunted by bystanders whatching. Kinda sickening.

[yeahwho]

Thoughts and prayers to the families effected inOakland (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090323/ap_on_re_us/police_shot_calif;_ylt=AkVnvS8yd1JGuWF9zw73qXRvzwc F). The cops investigating the aftermath where taunted by bystanders whatching. Kinda sickening.

One of the toughest jobs out there and it's not getting any easier. Crime is ramping up while as the economy is being flushed down the toilet. In Seattle I've noticed full sized billboards advertising for City Police, it's obvious the risks involved. Thankless, brutal and a total mindfuck daily. In California the prisons are overflowing.

What a shame. Very sad.

[kaiser soze]

Looks like another police officer assault on a civilian - and quite possibly another death of an innocent person.

G20 video 'concerns' police chief

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7989027.stm

Footage of an officer shoving a man to the ground at a G20 protest minutes before he died raises concerns, London's police chief has said.

Ian Tomlinson, 47, who was walking home from work, suffered a heart attack several minutes after walking away from being pushed in central London.

His stepson Paul King has told the BBC the family "want answers".

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson said the force fully supported an inquiry into the death.

So what are the excuses for this unprovoked attack?

(n)

[Adam]

I've written to my MP about Ian Tomlinson and that video of him being attacked. If you want to do the same - http://www.writetothem.com/ will do it for you almost - just enter your post code.

London is slipping into a fear of the police, we are on our way to losing the right to protest. Its a slippery slope we are on.

[kaiser soze]

Unfortunately I am from the United States so that won't work. (n)

It truly displays the criminal lengths the police will go to protect their own when they commit a crime. All of those who are hiding this coward are complicit in this assault.

To serve and protect their masters and their own (n)

[Adam]

This makes me so angry -- > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/15/g20-protest-police-videos-catalogue

Videos of police at G20. I used to work for the Home Office (same employer of the police) until January this year - quit partly because of how the agency works but I've always had a view of going into the police since I was quite young.

I couldn't possibly do it now. I've always had respect for a hard job but these guys are worst than night club bouncers with a hate complex. And I know that its probably a minority of thugs who wear the uniform but that has changed their whole way they are perceived.

I wonder how long until we see riots on the streets of London?

[kaiser soze]

You can really see the zest for power some of those cops have, the one in the last video looks like he'd be comfortable in a SS uniform. I honestly believe that Europe is the frontline against facism again.

It is too bad that the apologists will defend this kind of brutality

[NoFenders]

when it comes down to it, dont fuck with the police.

(y)

[fucktopgirl]

I am not gonna say something very constructive here , so beware


FUCK THE POLICE!!!



that feel good.

[kaiser soze]

Oklahoma State Troopers pull over Ambulance en route to hospital :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KluItc365hU

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0509/626636.html

I'm curious what the dash cam recorded. By the looks of this video these troopers are out of line. Thank god the patient didn't die, and I hope she didn't suffer further from the heat exhaustion.

[RobMoney$]

Where do you get this shit, Ihatecops.com or something?

Get a life dude.

[kaiser soze]

I'll get right on that (y)

What is interesting about this story is the pure absurdity of it. The EMTs job is just as important as the troopers, but unfortunately they don't carry guns thus relinquishing them of the potential to go on a raging power trip. Where the hell were these troopers' heads? What did they have to prove?

We should question this disruptive, stress inducing, Authoritarian behavior especially when it interferes with the operation of medical personnel. These cops had no concern for the citizen inside the ambulance and thus should be reprimanded for their inaction to serve and protect.

Keep enabling the power trippers, eventually you'll be just as powerful!

and just to let you know I don't seek out these stories, I just come across them and post em here. If you don't believe me oh well.

[Documad]

Where do you get this shit, Ihatecops.com or something?

Ha ha. He's clearly on some special email distribution list.

[kaiser soze]

Sodomy - the ultimate power trip

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYPD-Faces-220M-Suit-for-Alleged-Sodomy-Attack.html

A man filed a $220 million lawsuit today claiming that New York Police Department officers robbed him of his civil rights by sodomizing him with a baton in a subway station.

The suit against the city, NYPD and four officers alleges the patrolmen conspired to violate Mineo's rights on Oct. 15 with a "willfully malicious and vicious assault." It says the attack caused "extreme physical, mental and emotional harm and distress" and "exposed the plaintiff to public scandal and disgrace."

Let me guess....they were under a ton of stress :rolleyes:

[mikizee]

Where do you get this shit, Ihatecops.com or something?

Get a life dude.

To be fair this vid has even featured on officer.com, where many fellow officers are expressing their disgust at the officers in the video's actions.

[kaiser soze]

Officer assault of schizophrenic man caught on city surveillance camera.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7773867&page=1

The tape shows Holloway, 49, waiting outside Lawrence's Grill and Bar restaurant in Passaic when a police cruiser pulled up and a female officer asked him to zip up his sweatshirt. Holloway appears to comply, but Rios jumps out and begins hitting him with his fists and a baton.

"These cops know him," said Holloway's lawyer Nancy Lucianna of Fort Lee, N.J. "He's lived in the town for 25 years, does the same routine every night. He goes out after dinner, takes a walk, and paces back and forth."

Another criminal with a badge caught on tape, it is about time these thugs are being recorded, hopefully it will bring justice for the people they attack.

[kaiser soze]

BRAVO!

Chicago Officer sent to federal prison for 3 years for beating man in wheelchair, lying, and attempting to cover it up.

http://cbs13.com/national/police.wheelchair.beating.2.1041570.html

CHICAGO (CBS) ―

A Chicago Police officer was sentenced Thursday to 40 months in prison for beating a man shackled to a wheelchair in a hospital four years ago.


Prosecutors said a videotape shows Cozzi hitting Miles about 10 times with a "sap," or a bludgeon. Miles does not appear to resist, but he was charged with resisting arrest.

Saps are illegal for civilians to carry so why did this officer have one? I wonder what will happen to the officers who didn't step in and try to protect the civilian who was wheelchair bound and helpless. Chicago's finest my ass.

[yeahwho]

Where do you get this shit, Ihatecops.com or something?

Get a life dude.

Here's another one I found on the "cops who shoot innocent people" random generator site.

As investigators try to piece together the events that led to the fatal shooting of a man Wednesday night as he tried to drive away from an Everett restaurant, one witness believes a police officer overreacted by opening fire.

DUI suspect fatally shot by police in Everett (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009330271_everettshooting12m.html)

"They tried to stop him, but he continued to drive away," Hover said. "He was Tasered by one of the officers while he was in the Corvette, but that didn't stop him, either."

After that, details so far provided by authorities are sketchy. They say the man drove into a chain-link fence, which buckled and fell.

Thornes said she was standing in the parking lot, a few feet from the victim's car, and was struck from behind by the chain-link fence as it buckled. She said she was not injured.

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About the same time, one of the officers fired shots, Hover said. Officers tried to revive the man, but he died at the scene, Hover said. Investigators are still trying to determine how many shots were fired.

The rear window of the Corvette was shattered.

This guy was penned in by a fence, cars in front of the fence and cars behind him. He wasn't going anywhere and he wasn't armed.

[kaiser soze]

Dash cam from the Oklahoma incident

http://www.news9.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3862589&h1=OHP%20Trooper%20Dash%20Cam&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=453500&LaunchPageAdTag=Political&activePane=info&rnd=38440930

The trooper didn't spend more than a minute at his call, once he realized there wasn't anything he could get into he went back to harass the EMTs.

Can you count how many times did the EMT told the trooper they have a patient in the back?

[Whatitis]

I'm not so sure the second video does much to prove that the cop did much wrong. The physical confrontation could have been avoided but the ambulance guy did not do anything to improve the situation either. The ambulance, which did not have lights or sirens on and did not seem to have a emegency, did not yield to the officers car that did have it's lights and sirens going. Also, when a car, of any type is pulled over, the police do not like it when people come out of the vehicle and I can understand the stance the officer took with the guy that did and that guy did not fallow the officers wishes to get back in the ambulance. I'm on the cops side of this one.

[YoungRemy]

if all these people would have just behaved like this guy(y)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjcHnO_FmO4


"He's illegally tasering me, and I am defending myself in favor of That."

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