Unions help bankrupt yet another long time business..

[valvano]

Hope...Change.....Bankruptcy....
Obama wants to expand union labor while at the same time union labor has played a major factor in another business's bankrupty...the historic Greenbrier Resort in WV.

Last year, business's were moving away conventions, etc due to the threat of strikes from its union-represented workers:

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200804081288

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2008_2nd/Apr08_GreenbrierBiz.html

Today...the Greenbrier has filed for bankruptcy and probably loss of those same union jobs:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102108603&ft=1&f=1006

:rolleyes:

[checkyourprez]

valvano is there still a fascist party in this country?

i feel you would know.

[valvano]

valvano is there still a fascist party in this country?

i feel you would know.

i've been out of college now for nearly 20 years, but i feel safe in saying you can probably find some on today's college campuses

[Bob]

i've been out of college now for nearly 20 years, but i feel safe in saying you can probably find some on today's college campuses

what was your major? asshole-american studies?

[valvano]

what was your major? asshole-american studies?


no, reality american studies...i see you are studying fantasy land studies, as in everything in the world should coincide with your fantasy land of justice and equality and non responsibility....

[Bob]

where'd you go? school of hard knocks?

[valvano]

where'd you go? school of hard knocks?

VALVANO.......ring a bell???

if you still cant figure it out, ask Queen Adrock...

[checkyourprez]

VALVANO.......ring a bell???

if you still cant figure it out, ask Queen Adrock...

i admire john wooden but it doesnt mean i went to ucla. its not the most obvious thing in the world here chief.

[kaiser soze]

unions and taxes and bears oh my!!

so of course an endless war costing billions, corporate welfare, outsourcing of jobs, and market manipulation/exploitation had nothing to do with this :rolleyes:

[Dorothy Wood]

okay, so I read all of those articles and the unions were just negotiating new contracts because the previous ones had expired. and they were only asking to maintain the income and benefits they had already been receiving.

in my opinion, considering the Greenbrier also employed/employs 500 non-union workers and the union workers they have were continuing to work without proper contracts, I think they should've kept their mouths shut about possible strikes. it was an error in judgement to be all, "oh, just so you know, our workers might strike". of course that's going to drive business away. I mean, duh. it was the management's duty to get off their asses and resolve the contract issue and carry on to avoid a strike.

the Greenbrier had changes in upper management and infrastructure over the past 5 years, they also lost their 5 star rating in 2000. those kinds of things pile up and lead to loss in revenue. they're $90 million in debt, and that's not all due to contract negotiations.

Also, it's hilarious that you're acting like some old historical business is going to come crashing down because of unions wanting too much. oh my god! they want to keep their insurance! the nerve! the Greenbrier is owned by CSX for fuck's sake. and it will soon be owned by Marriot. the corporate machine will keep on turning.


so, are you just reading the headlines, or what?

[checkyourprez]

okay, so I read all of those articles and the unions were just negotiating new contracts because the previous ones had expired. and they were only asking to maintain the income and benefits they had already been receiving.

in my opinion, considering the Greenbrier also employed/employs 500 non-union workers and the union workers they have were continuing to work without proper contracts, I think they should've kept their mouths shut about possible strikes. it was an error in judgement to be all, "oh, just so you know, our workers might strike". of course that's going to drive business away. I mean, duh. it was the management's duty to get off their asses and resolve the contract issue and carry on to avoid a strike.

the Greenbrier had changes in upper management and infrastructure over the past 5 years, they also lost their 5 star rating in 2000. those kinds of things pile up and lead to loss in revenue. they're $90 million in debt, and that's not all due to contract negotiations.

Also, it's hilarious that you're acting like some old historical business is going to come crashing down because of unions wanting too much. oh my god! they want to keep their insurance! the nerve! the Greenbrier is owned by CSX for fuck's sake. and it will soon be owned by Marriot. the corporate machine will keep on turning.


so, are you just reading the headlines, or what?

dorothy went brat tat tat on your ass valvano.

[Bob]

okay, so I read all of those articles and the unions were just negotiating new contracts because the previous ones had expired. and they were only asking to maintain the income and benefits they had already been receiving.

in my opinion, considering the Greenbrier also employed/employs 500 non-union workers and the union workers they have were continuing to work without proper contracts, I think they should've kept their mouths shut about possible strikes. it was an error in judgement to be all, "oh, just so you know, our workers might strike". of course that's going to drive business away. I mean, duh. it was the management's duty to get off their asses and resolve the contract issue and carry on to avoid a strike.

the Greenbrier had changes in upper management and infrastructure over the past 5 years, they also lost their 5 star rating in 2000. those kinds of things pile up and lead to loss in revenue. they're $90 million in debt, and that's not all due to contract negotiations.

Also, it's hilarious that you're acting like some old historical business is going to come crashing down because of unions wanting too much. oh my god! they want to keep their insurance! the nerve! the Greenbrier is owned by CSX for fuck's sake. and it will soon be owned by Marriot. the corporate machine will keep on turning.


so, are you just reading the headlines, or what?

if the market doesn't want you to have health insurance then you shouldn't have it, end of story

[NoFenders]

There's no need for unions anymore. They've already done their part to drive our economy to shit.

[Schmeltz]

^According to that logic, there's no need for rich businessmen anymore either.

[checkyourprez]

There's no need for unions anymore. They've already done their part to drive our economy to shit.


theres a place for them. they just need to strike the proper balance. companies are always about their bottom line. thats why if they can't exploit workers here, they leave to country and exploit them in latin america or south eastern asia.

[NoFenders]

Point well taken.

Totally agree. I shouldn't say there's no need for unions, but it's gotten so bad.

[NoFenders]

^According to that logic, there's no need for rich businessmen anymore either.

You must not understand economics.

[kaiser soze]

The kind of economics where rich business men become even more wealthier by ripping off the public?

Or the economics where a man loses his job for failing only to be hired by another and being given a $25 million bonus for doing shit?

[NoFenders]

Nope, you don't get it either.

[kaiser soze]

If this is how it is....no, so please explain :)

[QueenAdrock]

VALVANO.......ring a bell???

if you still cant figure it out, ask Queen Adrock...

I assume he means ask me because I'm a librarian and can find out the information for you. He can't possibly be assuming I know about some college football coach from the early 80s when I rarely give a shit about sports.

[checkyourprez]

I assume he means ask me because I'm a librarian and can find out the information for you. He can't possibly be assuming I know about some college football coach from the early 80s when I rarely give a shit about sports.

basketball. some librarian you are.

:rolleyes:

[DroppinScience]

Nope, you don't get it either.

Persuavive arguing skills. Well, you sure showed us.

[QueenAdrock]

basketball. some librarian you are.

:rolleyes:

That just goes to show you, I don't waste my precious researching time on stuff I know is somehow sports-related. :p

[saz]

come on guys, our economic troubles are clearly the fault of unions. it's all because of them. this has nothing to do with a trillion dollar illegal invasion of iraq, deregulation and right-wing reagan economics of the last twenty-nine years or so which resulted in an epidemic of wall street corporate greed, sub-prime predatory lending, or republican governments that borrowed billions from china and spent like crazy, you know those guys who belong to the republican party, whose outgoing president had an approval rating of about 25% with his party receiving the same levels of support. you guys don't understand economics, but perhaps you could learn by listening to glenn beck, rush limbaugh, and the wall street journal, because clearly the answer to this economic dilemma is to squash unions, keep up deregulation and reward greedy corporate ceos with more bonuses.

[checkyourprez]

i find it hilarious and sickening at the same time that ANY republican has the balls to comment on over spending within the obama administration. he wouldnt have to be doing it if their jackass party didnt put us in this hole in the first place.


people like jindal and limbaugh talking about they want obama to fail. i guess that makes sense though, they just want him to be like the republicans were for the last 8 years, one massive shit eating failure.

[kaiser soze]

i find it hilarious and sickening at the same time that ANY republican has the balls to comment on over spending within the obama administration. he wouldnt have to be doing it if their jackass party didnt put us in this hole in the first place.


people like jindal and limbaugh talking about they want obama to fail. i guess that makes sense though, they just want him to be like the republicans were for the last 8 years, one massive shit eating failure.

ABSOLFUCKINGLUTELY!!!

no thanks to bush's failed economic policies, no thanks to wasting BILLIONS on a war rather than our own infrastructure and national treasures, no thanks
to selling out America and blaming Obama for it

conservatives/repubs/bush supporters are coming at this with such ferocity it is not even funny, it is distracting and counterproductive - they should first look in the mirror and thank themselves for the mess

[NoFenders]

I think you guys really lose your voice when you assume it's only republicans that have no clue as to where this mess is heading and are speaking out against it. That right there shows exactly where your blinders are. The sheep shows it's true colors with things like that.

Many people of all political sides feel the same. Obama has no clue how to run a business, and their answers are more gov. The days of Capitalism are soon to be over and Socialism will enter. It's plain and simple.It needs to stop. If we really want to be like Europe so bad, let's just throw out the Constitution already.

I swear, get over your political pride and realise what the fuck is going on here. It's not about Republicans and Democrats anymore. Republicans have been gone for some time now. The party isn't even a shadow of what it once was. That ship has sailed.

[Dorothy Wood]

we've been a socialist country for a long time now, everyone needs to calm down about the damn government being involved in citizens' lives. they've always been involved. the choices Bush made affected all of us.

also, a big HA! to capitalism. seriously, you think what's been happening in this country is real capitalism? it's not. the government always steps in in some form. deals are made, certain things are regulated, other things are not.

in my opinion, you can't just have a little regulation. you gotta have everything or nothing.

[saz]

although it was the previous republican congress which acted as a rubber stamp for the bush administration and spent well beyond the nation's means, ie invading iraq on credit and sinking a trillion dollars into that debacle plus bush's tax cuts which depleted the treasury, nofenders does have a point that the deregulation and poor economic policies which originated under reagan continued under clinton. the dems are partly to blame for this but not completely, although their inability to provide effective opposition throughout the 90s and this decade (before recapturing congress) does say a lot.

regardless, what does obama knowing or not knowing how to run a business have to do with anything? despite being practically controlled by corporate lobbyists and the defence industry, the government isn't a business and shouldn't be run as one, as the purpose of government isn't to turn a profit and answer to shareholders. it it to serve the collective good for the people and provide essential services, ie social services, health, defence, police, fire, oversight and accountability et al.

and i wouldn't place one iota of stock into the hysterics of glenn beck or rush limbaugh. having government oversight and regulation does not equal socialism. does having the police, fire department and a military constitute socialism? it is ridiculous to suggest that having laws for business and wall street to follow equates throwing out the constitution. bush and cheney already walked all over the constitution and bill or rights anyways, ie illegally invading a sovereign country, illegal wiretapping, torture etc.

if there is anyone that needs to get over their political pride, it's the die hard economic conservatives and those on the editorial board of the wall street journal. you can have free markets, but you also need some basic laws and regulations, because without them you'll wind up in a colossal mess, as we are now. although the republicans did lose congress back in '06, bush has only been out of office for a few months and it is going to take a long time to clean up his debacles. it is encouraging though to see that you're admitting the republican party isn't even a shadow of what it once was. the party has become way too extreme, been taken over by the christian evangelicals and neo-cons, are too obsessed with reagan, and haven't mentioned the names dwight d. eisenhower or nelson rockefeller in decades, which i believe is quite deliberate.

[NoFenders]

we've been a socialist country for a long time now, everyone needs to calm down about the damn government being involved in citizens' lives. they've always been involved. the choices Bush made affected all of us.

Wait, Socialism started with Bush?? News to me. Wait, let me guess, the things that are being done now have to be done because Bush left us no choice. Is that your outlook?

also, a big HA! to capitalism. seriously, you think what's been happening in this country is real capitalism? it's not. the government always steps in in some form. deals are made, certain things are regulated, other things are not.

Capitialism is still alive and well here in America. That's nothing to laugh at. There's a chance to do big things and get paid for it here. Not so in many other places. We've always been on top because of it. Capitalism is what pays your bills. In other words, you work for you.


in my opinion, you can't just have a little regulation. you gotta have everything or nothing.

Then I'll take nothing please. Letting the gov control anything to this level will put you and me both in no better position than we're in today. If anything it will make our lives much worse.

I really hope you're not saying you'd be for a Socialistic society here. Life as you know it would never be the same for anyone.

[NoFenders]

regardless, what does obama knowing or not knowing how to run a business have to do with anything? despite being practically controlled by corporate lobbyists and the defence industry, the government isn't a business and shouldn't be run as one, as the purpose of government isn't to turn a profit and answer to shareholders. it it to serve the collective good for the people and provide essential services, ie social services, health, defence, police, fire, oversight and accountability et al.

He shouldn't tell people how to run their business if he can't run one himself. Now we're into this whole employee card and all this other crap. It's getting out of hand. He'll actually put more people out of work the direction he's heading.



and i wouldn't place one iota of stock into the hysterics of glenn beck or rush limbaugh. having government oversight and regulation does not equal socialism. does having the police, fire department and a military constitute socialism? it is ridiculous to suggest that having laws for business and wall street to follow equates throwing out the constitution. bush and cheney already walked all over the constitution and bill or rights anyways, ie illegally invading a sovereign country, illegal wiretapping, torture etc.

Laws for business is fine. Controlling the business is another thing. Look at AIG. Just another money laundering tool for DC.


if there is anyone that needs to get over their political pride, it's the die hard economic conservatives and those on the editorial board of the wall street journal. you can have free markets, but you also need some basic laws and regulations, because without them you'll wind up in a colossal mess, as we are now. although the republicans did lose congress back in '06, bush has only been out of office for a few months and it is going to take a long time to clean up his debacles. it is encouraging though to see that you're admitting the republican party isn't even a shadow of what it once was. the party has become way too extreme, been taken over by the christian evangelicals and neo-cons, are too obsessed with reagan, and haven't mentioned the names dwight d. eisenhower or nelson rockefeller in decades, which i believe is quite deliberate.

Laws and rules are fine, but there's a limit.

I've felt this way about the Republican party for some time now. It's as if both parties are now one. Wanting more control over the uncontroled. I'm just done with all of DC at this point. They're all liars and cheats. From the very top to the very bottom. Pelosi is the biggest waste of time on earth. She's one of the top scum to even play the game. Liars is all they are. Not caring one bit for you or me, just about themselves and their little private world.

Just tired of it. I try and stop watching the news, but I can't be ignorant to the whole mess our kids will have to pay for in the end.

[Dorothy Wood]

I didn't say Bush started socialism.

I don't really want to talk about this, I'm too tired. also, it seems like you're terrified of socialism and you don't even know why.


congratulations if you're making big money via capitalism. the fact is, most people aren't. and we're not on top anymore.


I don't really know what you do or how your life would be destroyed by socialism, but I'm sure you'd survive.


for the record, I am a staunch capitalist, in favor of no regulations whatsoever. I'm not even kidding. the problem is, most people don't have the self-control or integrity to make their money fairly. and people that are unsuited for certain jobs still want to try to do them because they can make a lot of money at it.

it makes more sense to me to have a society whose members do jobs that they are naturally suited for, or have talents in. instead of a million douche bags going to business school so they can buy a god damn condo in bucktown.

when my mom was young, she could just pick up and move somewhere and walk into a place and ask for a job. if you worked hard and proved yourself, you kept your job. now, most places you can't even get your foot in the door if you don't have a piece of paper (a resume) that "proves" your experience and knowledge. but if you play all your cards right and take the right classes and get the right degree, the world is yours and you can rake in money doing a job that mostly anyone could do. because they basically just filled out the right paperwork.



so I guess I think the realist in me believes that there are a heck of a lot of idiots in this country making money for no reason. and life shouldn't be that way. so maybe we need some babysitters up in here, to sort shit out.

[NoFenders]

Ok, I could give a list a mile long as to why anyone in their right mind should and would be scared shitless of Socialism in this country.

One main reason is it would dumb down our country as a whole entirely.

From what I got out of your post is it's been unfair for people trying to succeed. Well, I was always told to get used to it, cause life aint fair. Some can deal with it, some can't. I don't see why the people who can deal with it have to be punished.

This goes with just about every poor me scenario known to man.

I'm sure I've said this before, but incase I didn't, this is what reads on the wall at my house and my office.

"You are the only problem you will ever have, and baby, you are the only solution."

A girl who used to work with me loved the phrase. She asked where I got it. I told her, and she wanted one for herself. I had one made up for her, framed it, and she happily took it. About three months later she came into my office and put it on my desk. She said "I can't live that way". I asked what she meant, and she went on for ten minutes about her boyfriend, her mother, and some bills that she had to pay. I thanked her for her honesty, and she thanked me for allowing her to see a different view on life. She realised she's made the choice to look for blame, and found it easier to be that way.

I don't have any idea how anyone could say you should do this job and not that job. It's America. We all pick our own jobs. Let's keep it that way. Millions of people going to business school to buiy a flat in BuckTown drives the economy. Telling them to expect this and that, goes nowhere.

[Burnout18]

congratulations if you're making big money via capitalism. the fact is, most people aren't.


Uh what? sorry to say, the fact is most people are.

[NoFenders]

That's not what the media or Obama would have you believe.

True story, I know a guy who runs a Cadillac dealer in the city here. Sales are down 75%. Not because people don't have the money, but because they don't want to be seen in the car. That says a lot about where we are, and where we're heading.

I think washington needs to realise that what they say effects the market as a whole. Obama talking down about guys in Vegas and such, just kicks the economy down further and further. Now anyone with any money is bad for having it?? All they're doing is keeping the money out of the market and economy. I'm not a conspiracy theorist in any way, shape, or form, but how could most of this not be intentional? These guys really don't know that what they say effects the economy in such a huge way?

[Burnout18]

yea well the media did what they have to do to get ratings and sell papers, and obama said what he had to say to get elected and push his stimulus forward.

[Dorothy Wood]

most people in america are making big money?

what year are you living in?


nofenders, I'm not sure what you're even talking about. you are so vague sometimes. do you really think that this will become a strictly socialist country? it won't. that's ridiculous. but there are aspects of socialism that would benefit society.


what I was saying that what capitalism means to me is that people who are talented at things and work hard should excel and be compensated richly for it. but that doesn't always happen. people aren't concerned with making the best product (I'm including labor as a product), they are concerned with making the most profitable product and they use persuasion and manipulation through marketing to increase those profits.

I'm not talking about handouts or whatever stock answer you like to give to liberals regarding socialism. I'm talking about the country getting together to make a conscientious effort to improve everyone's lives. if you're of the opinion that the weak should die off, then just say that. don't sit back in your chair and look down your nose at people and make snide remarks that only allude to that opinion.

there are human beings with mental and physical disabilities in this world, and circumstances beyond their control that hinder achievement. that's a fact. so, if you think you're better than anyone else because you're able bodied and able minded, you're wrong. we're all human and we all deserve a decent quality of life.

again, perhaps you don't agree and believe that it's a dog eat dog world, so fuck 'em.

[Dorothy Wood]

That's not what the media or Obama would have you believe.

True story, I know a guy who runs a Cadillac dealer in the city here. Sales are down 75%. Not because people don't have the money, but because they don't want to be seen in the car. That says a lot about where we are, and where we're heading.

I think washington needs to realise that what they say effects the market as a whole. Obama talking down about guys in Vegas and such, just kicks the economy down further and further. Now anyone with any money is bad for having it?? All they're doing is keeping the money out of the market and economy. I'm not a conspiracy theorist in any way, shape, or form, but how could most of this not be intentional? These guys really don't know that what they say effects the economy in such a huge way?



aw, poor fat cats. gotta change their lifestyles and think about living with less excess. the money will go somewhere, it doesn't just evaporate. maybe they'll start spending money on shit that matters. or at least cooler more interesting stuff than cars.

[Dorothy Wood]

yea well the media did what they have to do to get ratings and sell papers, and obama said what he had to say to get elected and push his stimulus forward.


shut the fuck up you dipshit. did you forget that we got a stimulus under Bush?

you think this stimulus is the problem? you are seriously short sighted.

[NoFenders]

most people in america are making big money?

what year are you living in?

There's a ton of people making a ton of money here.


nofenders, I'm not sure what you're even talking about. you are so vague sometimes. do you really think that this will become a strictly socialist country? it won't. that's ridiculous. but there are aspects of socialism that would benefit society.

I ahve to be vague in this. If I were to pin point every thing wrong I'd be here all day.

The steps that have been taken with banks,insurance companies, healthcare, and now this employee card, shows you what's in store to easily become a strictly Socialistic society. There's not much (if anything) In Socialism that looks good to me.


what I was saying that what capitalism means to me is that people who are talented at things and work hard should excel and be compensated richly for it. but that doesn't always happen. people aren't concerned with making the best product (I'm including labor as a product), they are concerned with making the most profitable product and they use persuasion and manipulation through marketing to increase those profits.

Persuasion and manipulation? Is this about bank loans? You either fail or succeed. If you fail, you try again. But this time you'll have a little more knowledge going at it.


I'm not talking about handouts or whatever stock answer you like to give to liberals regarding socialism. I'm talking about the country getting together to make a conscientious effort to improve everyone's lives. if you're of the opinion that the weak should die off, then just say that. don't sit back in your chair and look down your nose at people and make snide remarks that only allude to that opinion.

I don't think the weak should die off. I think that I should have the right to pick who I help and who I don't.


there are human beings with mental and physical disabilities in this world, and circumstances beyond their control that hinder achievement. that's a fact. so, if you think you're better than anyone else because you're able bodied and able minded, you're wrong. we're all human and we all deserve a decent quality of life.

Wow Dorothy. You sure have a picture of me in yuor head that just doesn't fit me. When did the handicapped get involved?


again, perhaps you don't agree and believe that it's a dog eat dog world, so fuck 'em.

I've never seen it any other way. Excpet the fuck'em part. I do have a heart for people and mankind in general.

If you can't see that life will change for the worse with this direction, than you must not participate in the freedom of liberty very often.

[NoFenders]

aw, poor fat cats. gotta change their lifestyles and think about living with less excess. the money will go somewhere, it doesn't just evaporate. maybe they'll start spending money on shit that matters. or at least cooler more interesting stuff than cars.

Glad you couldn't answer the question or atleast acknowledge the point made.

Why should you or anyone else decide what they spend their money on???

My god you sound so awful with that attitude. Jealousy doesn't suit anyone well.

[Burnout18]

shut the fuck up you dipshit. did you forget that we got a stimulus under Bush?

you think this stimulus is the problem? you are seriously short sighted.

To answer your questions no and no...

you know there was a lot more to my post including how i thought that the stimulus plus the fact that citi announced it is operating at a profit, is going to help turn the economy around slowly, and we have seen that in the past two weeks.

But i deleted it cause i wasn't sure where i was going with it.

But really, what a great response from you, what an intelligent young person you must be.... with cute lines like "shut the fuck up," and "we're not number one anymore." Who the hell are you? an unfunny lewis black?

Dam i didn't think noFenders got to you that bad, but looks like he did.

[Dorothy Wood]

nofenders, look, we're on different pages, you clearly don't understand what I'm saying and I clearly can't understand what you're saying because you don't make sense.

nobody is deciding anything for anyone. if motherfucka want a cadillac, buy a fucking cadillac! you want to pour cristal on a stripper in vegas, by all means, go ahead.

what you're not realizing is that this lifestyle was MARKETED TO YOU. there were always dudes getting rich and shady in Vegas, there just weren't commercials for it or music videos about it.

like I said, the money doesn't disappear. people are just reassessing their priorities. taking a look around and starting to think less about themselves. it's a good thing. because that self-centered and greedy attitude is what got everyone in this mess in the first place.

I know for a fact that the wealthy in this city are making a concerted effort to spend money locally and generously. they're not stuffing their money under mattresses.

excess is going out of fashion, that's all. you're just salty because you like excess and you don't want to be made to feel bad about it. poor you.


as for jealousy, that's pretty hilarious. you have no idea who I am, where I come from, what I have or don't have. I'm not jealous of cadillacs and vegas, not at all. I am only jealous of people who have the means and confidence to travel the world and climb mountains and stuff.

[Dorothy Wood]

To answer your questions no and no...

you know there was a lot more to my post including how i thought that the stimulus plus the fact that citi announced it is operating at a profit, is going to help turn the economy around slowly, and we have seen that in the past two weeks.

But i deleted it cause i wasn't sure where i was going with it.

But really, what a great response from you, what an intelligent young person you must be.... with cute lines like "shut the fuck up," and "we're not number one anymore." Who the hell are you? an unfunny lewis black?

Dam i didn't think noFenders got to you that bad, but looks like he did.


I used language like that because you don't pay attention to anything else. also, your posts lack content and you piggy back (case in point^bringing in nofenders to supplement your "burn").

doesn't matter if there was a lot more to your post, you deleted it. coulda shoulda woulda.

and...we're not number one...I wasn't trying to be cute or funny with that.


I think you're a doofus, plain and simple. prove me wrong or get lost.

[Burnout18]

I used language like that because you don't pay attention to anything else. also, your posts lack content and you piggy back (case in point^bringing in nofenders to supplement your "burn").

doesn't matter if there was a lot more to your post, you deleted it. coulda shoulda woulda.

and...we're not number one...I wasn't trying to be cute or funny with that.


I think you're a doofus, plain and simple. prove me wrong or get lost.

I don't find it neccessary to barrage this forum with anything other then my opinions and i don't need to write a book to get a basic thought across..... but I don't pay attention to anything else, what are you talking about?

And do you really disagree with my post that suggests that the media does what it has to do to get ratings? or that obama played politics to get elected.

'Cause I stand by that by that statement.

[Dorothy Wood]

I don't find it neccessary to barrage this forum with anything other then my opinions and i don't need to write a book to get a basic thought across..... but I don't pay attention to anything else, what are you talking about?

And do you really disagree with my post that suggests that the media does what it has to do to get ratings? or that obama played politics to get elected.

'Cause I stand by that by that statement.


perhaps I misspoke about the paying attention...I guess I just meant I wanted to get your attention so you'd think more carefully about what you write.

of course the media does everything in their power to get ratings. and every politician plays politics, elected or not. your statement basically said that obama got himself elected so that he could pass a stimulus plan. which is silly. maybe you didn't mean it like that.

[Burnout18]

perhaps I misspoke about the paying attention...I guess I just meant I wanted to get your attention so you'd think more carefully about what you write.

of course the media does everything in their power to get ratings. and every politician plays politics, elected or not. your statement basically said that obama got himself elected so that he could pass a stimulus plan. which is silly. maybe you didn't mean it like that.

There are still other factors, including companies like Citi, who are going to be the catalysts in turning the economy around, along with the stimulus.... It may take a year or so, but i think the Dow and the rest of the market is already on its steady rise back up.

and i apologize for the confusion on my part, i should have completed that post

[Echewta]

Remember when the govement and/or business via hiring thugs use to beat up on those who tried to organize the workplace? haha, yea. That was good stuff.

[Dorothy Wood]

There are still other factors, including companies like Citi, who are going to be the catalysts in turning the economy around, along with the stimulus.... It may take a year or so, but i think the Dow and the rest of the market is already on its steady rise back up.

and i apologize for the confusion on my part, i should have completed that post


thank you for your level-headed response, sir. sorry I called you a dipshit.

[saz]

He shouldn't tell people how to run their business if he can't run one himself. Now we're into this whole employee card and all this other crap. It's getting out of hand. He'll actually put more people out of work the direction he's heading. Laws for business is fine. Controlling the business is another thing. Look at AIG. Just another money laundering tool for DC. Laws and rules are fine, but there's a limit.

the point of this is that these wall street firms and banks that are bailed out should be regulated big time, and should follow laws, as it is taxpayer money being used to bail them out. the overwhelming majority of americans are super pissed off, and they certainly should be. these greedy fuckers on wall street royally screwed all of us, so it's quite obvious that due to their greed, they were incapable of properly running their firms and banks, so yes, therefore there should be oversight and regulation. i'm glad though that you realize regulations and laws are necessary.


I've felt this way about the Republican party for some time now. It's as if both parties are now one. Wanting more control over the uncontroled. I'm just done with all of DC at this point. They're all liars and cheats. From the very top to the very bottom.

wow, i couldn't agree with you more. the writing was on the wall with the patriot act. then came torture and illegal wiretapping. obama is moving on torture and guantanamo, but has done very little on illegal wiretapping. in order to regain the moral high ground, the patriot act needs to be scrapped, as does illegal wiretapping, as great nations do not do these sorts of things, especially torture, just to meet some sort of threat posed by a rag-tag bunch of fanatics who dwell in caves and villages along the afghanistan-pakistan border.

pelosi is definitely a lamer, but i think that the worst on capital hill are douchebags like michelle bachmann, eric cantor and john boehner.

[Bob]

i missed this the first time around, but

Uh what? sorry to say, the fact is most people are [making big money in capitalism].

really? most? can you explain that a little more?