Barack Obama and the Media [Archive] - Beastie Boys Message Board

yeahwho

03-20-2009, 04:22 PM

So now we have seen the President on Jay Leno, he plans to go onto youtube and he also has grasped the internet as another tool to get his agenda's across to the American public. This is quite the difference from the previous administration.

I've read quite a few different viewpoints about Obama's use of media and technology to get his message across and let the American people have a more accessible leadership. I'm amazed that some major newspapers have said he should stay in Washington, not fly off to Hollywood. I'm pretty sure the State of California is on the brink of financial collapse, his first priority wasn't to go be funny on Leno, but whatever.

What do you BBMB's think of this more aggressive, visible usage of the media and technology by President Obama?

Dorothy Wood

03-20-2009, 04:35 PM

I think it's a little weird. but I think people probably thought it was a little weird back when FDR was doing his "fireside chats" on the radio.

he should've waited and gone on Conan.

otherwise, I think he's kind of continuing to market himself. Hopefully the effort being put into marketing isn't going to detract from the effort needed to make actual change happen.

yeahwho

03-20-2009, 04:53 PM

he should've waited and gone on Conan.

He wasn't specifically going to California to be on Jay Leno. I probably wouldn't have known he was even going to be in California if he didn't appear on Jay Leno... which is a double-edged sword, the spotlight on celebrity mixed with the gravity of the economic mess we're in is an interesting dynamic. I know him appearing on a Nationally aired late night comedy talk show was a ballsy move. I'm sure he finally said fuck it I'm the POTUS and I'll do what I feel is fit. He seems to have that inner-instinct to ignore all the willy nilly types that handle politicians.

I am pretty impressed with his moxy to do it.

Whatitis

03-20-2009, 05:01 PM

I think it's cool, just like him posting his NCAA bracket with ESPN. Shows that he wants to keep connected with Americans. I'm not sure if it's for intentional marketing or not, he doesn't really need it. The media does a good enough job for him.

RobMoney$

03-20-2009, 10:52 PM

Does it diminish the "office" of the President, or is this a path that eventually leads to President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho?

"Fuck. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit,...and the dust storms,...and we running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution."

I'm not sure, but I understand people's concerns about it.

A little campaigning for his problems and accessability with the American public?
I don't have a problem with that. As long as it doesn't lead to something like updating us on congressional meetings through Twitter or Facebook.

On the list of things to criticize Obama for, this ranks pretty low in my book.

valvano

03-21-2009, 10:10 AM

i think its great because he show how much of a pompous ass he is with his "special olympics" comment . imagine if bush had made such a comment...:rolleyes:

Schmeltz

03-21-2009, 10:43 AM

Click here to see the man valvano thinks is not a pompous ass. (http://www.screw-paypal.com/images/082505bush.jpg)

kaiser soze

03-21-2009, 10:43 AM

Obama's joke was stupid and I'm glad he apologized, I don't think bush has ever apologized for any of his offensive statements.

NoFenders

03-21-2009, 10:46 AM

It's bizzare. Now he'll be on 60 minutes and some other late night show.

All this so he can play the "I'm a regular guy just like you" bit. No you're not, you're the President. You're in office. Get back to it and fix the economy bonehead! What a joke. Finally the phoney is showing through. Dems are finally realising it. He loves that limelight though. One good thing about Leno was when he told us his plan isn't working.

Schmeltz

03-21-2009, 10:49 AM

All this so he can play the "I'm a regular guy just like you" bit. No you're not, you're the President. You're in office.

Yeah because no President has ever done that before.

NoFenders

03-21-2009, 10:52 AM

Edit:

I think that was a first for any Pres to be on the Late Show. They're regretting it today.

RobMoney$

03-21-2009, 11:56 AM

He's just getting an early start on his 2010 re-election campaign, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on Monday Night Football this fall.
I really don't see much of a difference between this and FDR's fireside chats.
Hell, GWB actually went on a FISHING show (Fishing with Roland Martin on ESPN (http://www.observer.com/node/49603)) in 2004, with troops dying in Iraq. Previously, he had given an interview to ESPN.
I remember seeing him just trolling around on the boat with a couple of chuckleheads and thinking, "Is this really happening?"

It beats Cheney wiping his ass with the Constitution while hiding in a Executive priviliged dungeon too. The more open and accessible the President is, the better. It's good for Democracy.

RobMoney$

03-21-2009, 11:59 AM

Edit:

I think that was a first for any Pres to be on the Late Show. They're regretting it today.

Was it any worse than GWB going on Deal or No Deal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAfgTC37yZA)with Howie Mandel?

That cheapened the "office" far more than Obama's Tonight Show appearence.

DroppinScience

03-21-2009, 12:15 PM

I realize this is the first time a SITTING President has appeared on a late night comedy show, but come on now, as candidates they all made the comedy show rounds, so why the double standard?

Bush, Gore, Kerry, McCain, Obama... not to mention all their primary rivals went on the late night circuit too.

valvano

03-21-2009, 12:43 PM

Obama's joke was stupid and I'm glad he apologized, I don't think bush has ever apologized for any of his offensive statements.

just imagine if obama did some speeches without the ever present teleprompter...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/18/teleprompter-gone-bad-obama-thanks-irish-pm-repeats-speech/

DUH...:D

valvano

03-21-2009, 12:47 PM

Was it any worse than GWB going on Deal or No Deal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAfgTC37yZA)with Howie Mandel?

That cheapened the "office" far more than Obama's Tonight Show appearence.

you are obviously too young then to remember the clinton "boxer or briefs" comment on MTV back in 1994....

NoFenders

03-21-2009, 12:59 PM

NoFenders

03-21-2009, 01:02 PM

It just seems to me it's of the Populist mindset to even consider hitting the Late Show while people are losing their ass at every corner. He needed to go the show to tell the viewers of the late show that the economy is in the shitter?? I guess thwe late show viewers have no clue. Good thing he did that and took the time in his busy schedule. can't wait to hear the new news on 60 minutes. Wait, I guess he's just gonna say the same thing. Love those publicity rounds. Hey genius, you're already in the White House!!

kaiser soze

03-21-2009, 02:16 PM

As if bush didn't go on vacation the most as president while the country was at war (on top of many other messes he totally dropped the ball on.....Katrina anyone?)

So I guess Obama should whip out his trusty Presidential Calculator and zip out a few formulas to fix this problem pronto!

It's unfortunate he inherited this mess from bush in the first place, thanks but no thanks!!

checkyourprez

03-21-2009, 02:18 PM

Yeah. It was actually.

hah ya of course it was worse. if the other side that you support does it its 100x worse. DUH!!!

RobMoney$

03-21-2009, 03:02 PM

yeahwho

03-21-2009, 03:44 PM

There's plenty of partisan lobbying that goes on in this forum on both sides. I'm one of Obama's biggest critics here, but I'm not outraged at all about this. Like I said earlier I think more accessability from the "office" is a good thing.

Showing outrage at minor issues only lessens your position when he does something worth being outraged about.

I agree with your stance, I am not nearly as critical as you are of Obama, but I do think we as Americans should look at the calendar, realize it's 2009 and the media has drastically changed throughout presidential administrations since radio. Utilizing these mediums is more a sign of sophistication than arrogance.

I also think a certain element of citizens are just fucked up enough to want to see him fail, why? I do not know, but some people are programmed and easily manipulated into this mode. So no matter what Obama does, he's a fuck up.

Glad to see you haven't joined that group Rob.

DroppinScience

03-21-2009, 04:45 PM

There's plenty of partisan lobbying that goes on in this forum on both sides. I'm one of Obama's biggest critics here, but I'm not outraged at all about this. Like I said earlier I think more accessability from the "office" is a good thing.

Showing outrage at minor issues only lessens your position when he does something worth being outraged about.

I watched Larry King Live last night and they had the usual round of talking heads come on the show and pretend to be outraged that Obama would go on Jay Leno's show, because apparently another guest scheduled that very week was Seth Rogen, star of "Zack and Miri Make a Porno." Uhhh... the type of thing that Jay Leno and others do is called a VARIETY SHOW, so they'll naturally get a, um, well... a variety of guests each and every week.

To me, this is grasping at straws and says they have nothing else to talk about if his gravest crime as President was appearing on a late-night talk show. :rolleyes:

checkyourprez

03-21-2009, 04:55 PM

i think its great because he show how much of a pompous ass he is with his "special olympics" comment . imagine if bush had made such a comment...:rolleyes:

you've got to be kidding with this. how many people make special olympics jokes like that all the time? countless amounts of people. it was a joke, maybe a bit inappropriate giving his job, and he apologized. and honestly is it even that bad of a joke. hes a very poor bowler, participants in the special olympics have handicaps that dont allow them to do normal tasks well, hence that are poor at them, he was drawing a correlation using humor.

bush on the other hand was a walking catastrophe. every time he opened his mouth it was one big joke.

you are just coming off as a bigger and bigger hypocrite with each post. any time and every time bush did something wrong (and there was numerous things to pick from) i would never see people like you acknowledging it let alone owning up to it, much less bush or anyone in his administration. the difference is obama is more than willing to own up to things when hes wrong. he puts it out there, because he is human, we all make mistakes. instead of covering it up, lying that he was wrong, or just blatantly maintaining he was right in the face of contrary evidence.

RobMoney$

03-21-2009, 06:36 PM

bush on the other hand was a walking catastrophe. every time he opened his mouth it was one big joke.

I think it would have been physically impossible for Bush to appear on the Tonight Show even if he wanted to.
The guy couldn't string a complete sentence together without fumbling over his words, let alone coming off as interesting or intelligent at all.

Bob

03-21-2009, 06:42 PM

i think its great because he show how much of a pompous ass he is with his "special olympics" comment . imagine if bush had made such a comment...:rolleyes:

what a pompous ass he was, calling up the director of the special olympics to apologize before the show even aired. how much more pompous can you be?

yeahwho

03-21-2009, 07:04 PM

i think a lot of the people involved with the special olympics have forgiven him and are extremely pleased he did not go full retard.

like the previous president.

checkyourprez

03-21-2009, 07:18 PM

I think it would have been physically impossible for Bush to appear on the Tonight Show even if he wanted to.
The guy couldn't string a complete sentence together without fumbling over his words, let alone coming off as interesting or intelligent at all.

(y)

kaiser soze

03-21-2009, 11:54 PM

Too bad the media filters out how the world truly feels about bush

bush gets un-welcoming in Canada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEh1TU6yEF8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZiWkIaR1U

checkyourprez

03-22-2009, 10:47 AM

yea one of my professors brought that up the other day. he had to go in and get out all secretly. some laywer made a case that bush shouldnt be allowed in canada because of the fact that he is war criminal.

checkyourprez

03-22-2009, 07:55 PM

Obama on 60 minutes tonight. I hope some peeps are watching (or will catch it on youtube or something). If someone can't see how much better off we are with him running our country than you have something wrong with you. They guy is so smart and well spoken its night and day (no black/white joke intended) from where we were.

Bob

03-22-2009, 09:56 PM

checkyourprez

03-22-2009, 10:04 PM

im going to soak it up while hes here. reagan, bush, clinton, bush, obama. obama already takes the best speaker award in my book for presidents in my lifetime. hoping he can back it all up.

ms.peachy

03-23-2009, 06:44 AM

Thanks for the new sig, Bob.(y)

checkyourprez

03-23-2009, 05:18 PM

i like obama, but i'm kind of tired of people raving about how much better he is than bush. of course he's better than bush. that's nothing to rave about, bush was awful. it's like saying "man this ice cream is so much better than that time i had cancer," it's barely a compliment

its more than just comparing him to bush though.

its like you see a hot chick at your work. and she is smoking hot. its not like shes going to get not hot, every day you see here your going to think, man that chick is beautiful. shes always hot you get what im saying here?

obama is an exception public speaker. he truely has the gift of oration. its not something that comes along very often. its just something i feel should be appreciated. it is a powerful tool in the hands of a leader. and it just happens to be even more pronounced after having to deal with 8 years of special Ed.