AIG ... OK by me.

[abbott]

AIG this ...AIG that...

Who fucking gave AIG the money? Any congressman or senator or president who voted or signed to give them the money need to start working for free till its paid back.

AIG is not the problem, it is the people who wrote the check and gave them the money.

Volunter Goverment is a different topic, but if you cant serve your goverment without compensation, you souldnt be there. How much did our founding fathers get paid to draw up our constitution?

[Bob]

no, i think AIG is the problem

[RobMoney$]

No, I think the abbott makes a valid point.
But we've already debated this issue to death in another thread.

[checkyourprez]

AIG this ...AIG that...

Who fucking gave AIG the money? Any congressman or senator or president who voted or signed to give them the money need to start working for free till its paid back.

AIG is not the problem, it is the people who wrote the check and gave them the money.

Volunter Goverment is a different topic, but if you cant serve your goverment without compensation, you souldnt be there. How much did our founding fathers get paid to draw up our constitution?

as obama just pointed out on 60 minutes, we need to get these insitutions working properly again, and lending money again. "we cannot cut off our nose to spite our face"


he also just made another good point. banks want all this money, but they dont want to strings on it. the taxpayers want the economy fixed but they dont want to spend anymore money. there are people from all sides who want different things and its important to balance all of these feelings and make everyone happy and also do what is necessary all at the same time.

[abbott]

as obama just pointed out on 60 minutes, we need to get these insitutions working properly again, and lending money again. "we cannot cut off our nose to spite our face"


he also just made another good point. banks want all this money, but they dont want to strings on it. the taxpayers want the economy fixed but they dont want to spend anymore money. there are people from all sides who want different things and its important to balance all of these feelings and make everyone happy and also do what is necessary all at the same time.

I am not sure what the point is??? are you saying giving AIG $$$ was good?

What if a big bussiness fails?... Someone will replace it within days, and do it better. Without goverment bailout money... Liqudate the auto industy, rebuild and change the name. Big fucking deal.... But no, lets give our money to the failing and then get mad how they spend it.

[Bob]

What if a big bussiness fails?... Someone will replace it within days, and do it better.

it's that simple?

[checkyourprez]

I am not sure what the point is??? are you saying giving AIG $$$ was good?

What if a big bussiness fails?... Someone will replace it within days, and do it better. Without goverment bailout money... Liqudate the auto industy, rebuild and change the name. Big fucking deal.... But no, lets give our money to the failing and then get mad how they spend it.


or our economy will collapse. the world economy will in turn collapse. we world would plunge into a massive depression. inflation would make us feel like we are living in Zimbabwe. crime would sky rocket.


yea we could take that chance i suppose.

[Schmeltz]

How much did our founding fathers get paid to draw up our constitution?

I don't know, but I do know how much they paid their slaves to work their fields.

What if a big bussiness fails?... Someone will replace it within days, and do it better... Liqudate the auto industy, rebuild and change the name. Big fucking deal...

How barbarically callous. And what do all the millions of employees of these businesses do when they find themselves out of work and unable to pay their bills because people like you think their industries should be allowed to fail for what amounts to no real reason at all? Go on the dole? Something tells me there's not much room in your tiny little perspective for that possibility. Starve to death? Heaven forbid you should have to kick their corpses out of the way as you stroll merrily on by! Or will they immediately be provided with work by the companies that magically appear from nowhere to replace those which are allowed to fail?

Ridiculous.

[D_Raay]

I'm glad I got the kid gloves when I mentioned something similar to this :)

[abbott]

My real point is Congress and Senate and President voted and signed to give our money away and then they said we want it back? Sounds like first graders making trades.

But, if Mcdonalds went out of bussiness, someone would buy it and be the new owner. Some would stay some would go, it would all be the same but with a new owner's name and probably a new employy hand book .

If a big car manufactuer went out of bussiness, someone would buy the name and equipment and make cars that are needed. Some would stay some would go, probably some new policies. Workes may have to move to a new state for a new job at the new plant.....

I guess I am thinking of the 80 families that live off of the bussiness that I own and operate and many have had to go get other jobs and make big changes, because we made less money this year. I had a singel mom and I let her get into me for almost $18,000 because my hart went out, but in the end I cut the flow of loans off and now she has had to make some life changes and I talked to her today and she is on a great path.

Things work out ... and paying tax dollars to keep bussiness open that failed is not smart.

Fear is what makes people think you have to keep the doors open, but if you close the doors, other doors will be opened. If you do it right, you will end up with a bussiness that is better. Or pay failures to keep going and hope they get better.

Finnaly, I love free enterprise and goverment owned bussines has always been disliked by me, with some exceptions.. I like goverment defence, goverment protection, like a working FDA, and I even like goverment health care, but not goverment owned car companies.

Truth is I tell my wife to get a job with the goverment, so we can have an easier life, because you know the goverment employees have the nice bennifits via your tax dollars. Lord knows owning your own bussines and paying your own way dos not get you Tax Dollars, unless you pay lobiest to get that.

Pay to play bullshit has to end and AIG got what their lobbiest worked for and our congress, senate and president said here is the check.

Fuck I dont know shit other than I gotta go home and hang out with the family. I got nothin but love and I dont want people to starve to death.

[abbott]

My real point is Congress and Senate and President voted and signed to give our money away and then they said we want it back? Sounds like first graders making trades.
But, if McDonalds went out of business, someone would buy it and be the new owner. Some would stay some would go, it would all be the same but with a new owner's name and probably a new employee hand book .
If a big car manufacture went out of business, someone would buy the name and equipment and make cars that are needed. Some would stay some would go, probably some new policies. Workers may have to move to a new state for a new job at the new plant.....
paying tax dollars to keep business open that failed is not smart.
Fear is what makes people think you have to keep the doors open, but if you close the doors, other doors will be opened. If you do it right, you will end up with a business that is better. Or pay failures to keep going and hope they get better.
Finally, I love free enterprise and government owned business has always been disliked by me, with some exceptions.. I like government defense, government protection, like a working FDA, and I even like government health care, but not government owned car companies.
Truth is I tell my wife to get a job with the government, so we can have an easier life, because you know the government employees have the nice benefits via your tax dollars. Lord knows owning your own business and paying your own way dos not get you Tax Dollars, unless you pay lobbyist to get that.
Pay to play bullshit has to end and AIG got what their lobbies worked for and our congress, senate and president said here is the check.
Fuck I don't know shit other than I gotta go home and hang out with the family. I got nothin but love and I dont want people to starve to death.