Attn: US heads who dismiss UK hip-hop

[Lex Diamonds]

Listen to these lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOj-LCD7pRU&fmt=18

[Dorothy Wood]

yeah...it's uh, impossible to make british accents sound hard.

shit's wack yo.

[Lex Diamonds]

It's really not. Sucks to be you, I guess.

[Dorothy Wood]

well, see, I think it'd be something completely different if UK hip hop made up its own style instead of using the same kind of slang and posturing that US hip hop uses.

it just sounds wack. probably not to you because you talk like that, and it's normal. but it's just too posh to be tough.

the talking parts...jesus, I don't care how much that one guy enunciates "fuck", it's not scary or cool. it sounds ridiculous.

different strokes.

[Lex Diamonds]

So you're basically saying if we spoke like Americans then British people would be better at making music? Nice one.

And these guys don't sound posh in the slightest, they sound like total scumbags. How could you even think they sounded posh, that's just weird?

[Adam]

Most Hip Hop is terrible at the best of times, UK artists don't sound good at all. For starters, most of these artists have London accents which is the worst of all British accents*. I'm as patriotic as the next British guy (which is not very) but we can't do hiphop. We can do a lot of things well but sport and hip hop aren't our cup of tea. Being miserable and complaining about the weather is.

*when I think about this, cornwall, east anglia, midlands. I dunno - maybe I just said that cus of my passionate hate of london.

Anyway, I didn't like that clip.

[NoFenders]

well, see, I think it'd be something completely different if UK hip hop made up its own style instead of using the same kind of slang and posturing that US hip hop uses.

it just sounds wack. probably not to you because you talk like that, and it's normal. but it's just too posh to be tough.

the talking parts...jesus, I don't care how much that one guy enunciates "fuck", it's not scary or cool. it sounds ridiculous.

different strokes.

+1

It just sounds way off.

[Adam]

it just sounds wack...

hehe, I nearly used that word in my post but decided against it. Obviously before I read your post. I wouldn't want to be deemed copying.

[paul jones]

here's the king of UK rap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSLQbafBipw

(y)

[NoFenders]

lmao @ Brule's Rules avi ^ (y)

[Dorothy Wood]

So you're basically saying if we spoke like Americans then British people would be better at making music? Nice one.

And these guys don't sound posh in the slightest, they sound like total scumbags. How could you even think they sounded posh, that's just weird?


no no, I'm saying if they rapped in a way that suited the accent instead of trying to copy american style rapping, it would be better. the music is fine, it's the rapping part that just sounds silly.

they sound posh to me because most british accents sound posh to me. like I said, it's hard to explain because that's just a normal way of talking for you.

there is no way that a bad ass would ever say "thames" as gingerly as it's said in the song. :o

[Adam]

DW - we are gangsta on this island. We're dropping all sort of fresh knowledge. We aren't the posh castle dwelling mofo's we are casted in the movies 'yo...

The Queen has her own label yo! Prince William is a human beat box beyond all recognize 'yo



**see how I used a z instead on an s in recognise? ~ hardcore

Seriously Padster, don't think you are gonna convince many people with that clip.

On the other hand, I forgot - I did get into Mark B & Blade for a bit years ago. Not sure why, I wouldn't listen to 'em not.

[Lex Diamonds]

I'm not saying that's one of the best UK rap tunes, it just addresses the smug Americans quite well.

All you English people saying we can't do hip-hop, your ignorance saddens me. We've got some amazing storytellers and most UK rappers have a great sense of humour. British production can also be a lot nicer than US shit.

Have a look at these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAO0etcoG_k&feature=related&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IbYJoWrOIg&feature=related&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENi4pV7BJUQ&feature=related&fmt=18

[Knuckles]

Best UK rapper. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhexf_uaDV0)

[paul jones]

Best UK rapper. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhexf_uaDV0)

I wish this game was real
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wkw9nvRCY8

[checkyourprez]

that song was ok. probably wouldnt choose to ever listen to it again though. production was pretty good however.


dizzie and the streets are about the only english rap (if you even want to put the streets in that category) that are worth the tape they are recorded on.


the smugness of americans in rap is there for a reason. we are the shit with it, thats why we're smug.


and i get with dorthy is saying. dont try and do what americans are doing, the way americans do it, just with your british accent, and try and say your better at it. something to that affect. which is the truth. rappers tend to portray a harder gangster side of life. prodigy on the mic makes those dude sound like absolute clowns, i dont think theres anyway around that.

not saying they shouldnt rap, just find your own style, dont try so hard i guess.

[Lex Diamonds]

If you like Dizzee and the Streets then there's a lot more out there for you my friend. Listen to some of the shit I just posted.

[Planetary]

two things.

1. the streets is garage

2. i bet dorothy wood sounds like more of an idiot saying 'wack' than an english person

[Guy Incognito]

two things.

1. the streets is garage

2. i bet dorothy wood sounds like more of an idiot saying 'wack' than an english person

garage is what you put your car in - its a crap term. i think the streets cover a few genres, mainly crap - 1st album is a brilliant collage but the rest is shit

point 2 (y)

my 2 p's worth - accents have fuck all to do with it - when a british rapper is trying to emulate an american with their subject matter is when it gets really shit but there's some really good uk hip hop and there is a lot more bad us hip hop than there is british - purely because of the volume of hip hop in the us but still.

[checkyourprez]

the streets production is very good. something i appreciate. and his fast talk style of delivery is different. it doesnt sound like hes trying hard and hes just being himself.

not liking them is understandable. people have different tastes. soulja boy is garbage. there is no way in hell the streets are in the same realm with him. they are far better artists than those i would put in the garbage category.

[Planetary]

the first album is strictly garage HOMEBOY!

[Guy Incognito]

the first album is strictly garage HOMEBOY!

grandad house comment:

first heard the term garage in early nineties when it was used to describe slightly more soulful, chilled out house so maybe the term has changed since i was a lad. As i sadi , i dont think that first album covers one category, there's hip hop, soul, house, funk. all sorts in there dude, so dont start shouting when i dont agree with you. go back to your garage and whatever's in there.

[checkyourprez]

I'm not saying that's one of the best UK rap tunes, it just addresses the smug Americans quite well.

All you English people saying we can't do hip-hop, your ignorance saddens me. We've got some amazing storytellers and most UK rappers have a great sense of humour. British production can also be a lot nicer than US shit.

Have a look at these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAO0etcoG_k&feature=related&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IbYJoWrOIg&feature=related&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENi4pV7BJUQ&feature=related&fmt=18

plan b wasnt bad.

example is actually pretty good to me. i liked that song.

klashnekoff was inbetween to me. i liked it but at the same time there was something i didnt like about it.

[checkyourprez]

the first album is strictly garage HOMEBOY!

is this some english american translation thing im missing here? i just assumed that was a typo.

[Planetary]

grandad house comment:

first heard the term garage in early nineties when it was used to describe slightly more soulful, chilled out house so maybe the term has changed since i was a lad. As i sadi , i dont think that first album covers one category, there's hip hop, soul, house, funk. all sorts in there dude, so dont start shouting when i dont agree with you. go back to your garage and whatever's in there.

pipe down big balls i don't care that much

[Guy Incognito]

pipe down big balls i don't care that much

if thats your way of saying you were wrong then fine, what happened to the nice lad who was into talking bout remixing and football a lot?

[funk63]

"YOU"RE BRUNCH BIITCH!" That line was pretty hard.

[Dorothy Wood]

two things.


2. i bet dorothy wood sounds like more of an idiot saying 'wack' than an english person


I'm street as fuck, son. I'm from DEtroit, y'all betta reckanize.

actually, I would never say "wack" out loud. it was just the only word that seemed to describe my opinion succinctly.


anyway, padster, listened to the links, hated plan b, liked example, and would rather listen to wu tang than klashnekoff

[rirv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CgBhxH6Z3w

Dizzee Rascal's most 'American' track. In fact, a collab with some American. I like it. He still uses British slang - nice Paddington Bear toy in the video. And he got stabbed once (or should I say shanked, bruv) so he's real gangster. I don't really listen to any British rap apart from Dizzee Rascal. Some of the guys who are getting airplay at the moment are wank like Lethal Bizzle or Kano. But I guess these guys are more from the grime side of the scene not the straight up hiphop.

[Dorothy Wood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CgBhxH6Z3w

Dizzee Rascal's most 'American' track. In fact, a collab with some American. I like it. He still uses British slang - nice Paddington Bear toy in the video. And he got stabbed once (or should I say shanked, bruv) so he's real gangster. I don't really listen to any British rap apart from Dizzee Rascal. Some of the guys who are getting airplay at the moment are wank like Lethal Bizzle or Kano. But I guess these guys are more from the grime side of the scene not the straight up hiphop.


I liked that alright. but I still think it sounds funny with the talking in the beginning. the swearing just sounds so deliberate. it's off putting, like hearing my mom swear. and that nigga ain't hard.

[paul jones]

whatever happened to these cunts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4FqFSBWiTk

[ericlee]

eh, it's ok I suppose. I can't really get into it and the drum machine is too blatant.

The artwork is fucking nice though.

Edit: for the first song that was posted.

[Dorothy Wood]

whatever happened to these cunts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4FqFSBWiTk


holy shit.


I mean, radio is pretty awesome, you can listen to it in the am or the pm. whenever you want!

[Adam]

I'm missing the mid nineties. My radio really did rock back then.

[rirv]

I liked that alright. but I still think it sounds funny with the talking in the beginning. the swearing just sounds so deliberate. it's off putting, like hearing my mom swear. and that nigga ain't hard.

That's just how black kids from London sound these days.

[paul jones]

holy shit.


I mean, radio is pretty awesome, you can listen to it in the am or the pm. whenever you want!

I have a radio that rocks at work,except it's not mine...the engineers found it and said I could use it so it's not theirs in the first place and now I keep it in my locker when I'm not there so it might be MY radio now in a way.(y)

[rirv]

Face like a plasterer's radio.

[Planetary]

if thats your way of saying you were wrong then fine, what happened to the nice lad who was into talking bout remixing and football a lot?

i'm not admittin i was wrong you're just gettin a bit riled. the majority of original pirate material is what i consider garage. that's all.

[Dorothy Wood]

(regarding rirv's comment)

fair enough. just sounds unnatural. not at all like when I scream out "MOTHER FUCKING COCK SUCK" at work when I'm angry. shit's so gangsta.

I listened to that song again and I really like it now. I like the "where's the cash, where's the gash" part. ha.

[Guy Incognito]

i'm not admittin i was wrong you're just gettin a bit riled. the majority of original pirate material is what i consider garage. that's all.

not riled just dont see why you dont say what you mean first time round instead of getting shouty. just out of interest what else do you consider garage, i aint gonna argue with anything you say but if its stuff i dont consider garage then maybe its me thats missed a meeting and what i thought was garage wasnt!

[Lyman Zerga]

anyone with a cockney accent should get shot or atleast not become famous

fuck 'the streets', horribly annoying

theres some good british hip hop though and it sounds real enough for me

[The Notorious LOL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3U3R3b1dOg

[Planetary]

not riled just dont see why you dont say what you mean first time round instead of getting shouty. just out of interest what else do you consider garage, i aint gonna argue with anything you say but if its stuff i dont consider garage then maybe its me thats missed a meeting and what i thought was garage wasnt!

for one the homeboy thing was a joke i wasn't bein shouty, and two: i don't really know much about garage, the streets is the only thing i really listen to thats considered to be garage. that's why i consider it garage i spose

[checkyourprez]

WHAT THE FUCKING HELL IS GARAGE?!?!


god damn englishmen.

[Planetary]

i used to know, but now my whole worlds been turned upside down

[Guy Incognito]

for one the homeboy thing was a joke i wasn't bein shouty, and two: i don't really know much about garage, the streets is the only thing i really listen to thats considered to be garage. that's why i consider it garage i spose


the engine appears to be runnin but your'e not always behind the wheel are you?


WHAT THE FUCKING HELL IS GARAGE?!?!


god damn englishmen.

myself and planetary are discussing exactly that - i thought it was one thing and he hasnt got a clue so we may not actually find out.

[TAL]

US garage is better than UK garage.

[checkyourprez]

and the mystery continues........


i had never even heard of the term unless your referring to garage band music. i associate that with shitty high school age bands just playing in their garage because they dont have anyplace else to practice.

[Dorothy Wood]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_rock


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk_garage

nothing's a mystery on the internet.

[TAL]

Go here:
http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

Let the site load and then click "breakbeat" in the menu on the left. Then click "2-step garage" on the far right. Click in the small window for samples.
That's UK garage.

Click "house" in the menu, then "garage" close by it for US garage.

[Planetary]

the engine appears to be runnin but your'e not always behind the wheel are you?

this isn't really appropriate is it? how is what i said hard to understand? people that have spoken about it consider it garage, im not particlulary clued up on garage/it's history so im in no position to oppose that.

[Lyman Zerga]

myself and planetary are discussing exactly that - i thought it was one thing and he hasnt got a clue so we may not actually find out.

get a life you gay priders

[Guy Incognito]

the first album is strictly garage HOMEBOY!

pipe down big balls i don't care that much

this isn't really appropriate is it? how is what i said hard to understand? people that have spoken about it consider it garage, im not particlulary clued up on garage/it's history so im in no position to oppose that.

its hard to understand because you come out with a statement like you really beileve it , then say actually it's what you have heard other people say and tell me to pipe down when i disagreed. so you had to expect a reaction.

[Planetary]

its hard to understand because you come out with a statement like you really beileve it , then say actually it's what you have heard other people say and tell me to pipe down when i disagreed. so you had to expect a reaction.

the first comment was a joke man. all i was sayin was i thought it was garage. plus TALs music thing proved me right.

i cant be arsed with this anymore its daft

[checkyourprez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_rock


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk_garage

nothing's a mystery on the internet.

yea i know. frankly i just didnt want to put the effort of typing it into my google search.

[Miho]

I haven't listened to very much UK hip-hop, but I did a search for classic UK hip-hop on YouTube, and I dug "Style Wars" by Hijack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncZLdZm-Kyw). It's old school.

[Lex Diamonds]

I wasn't gonna mention Dizzee because there are so many people out there that think he's the only good UK rapper. It sounds like a load of you have these stupid preconceptions and don't realise that it is actually a whole genre, you can't like or dislike all of it. Dismissing UK rap is like dismissing US rock, it's ridiculous.

Here's a few more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9v0f-GXABQ&fmt=18
Akon just signed this dude to Konvict

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpKKogzwlbI&fmt=18
Think I posted this on here a while ago but it's relevant so have a listen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP96rj7CHFE&fmt=18
Uses the Shook Ones beat, highlights the difference between UK & US flows well


ps
DW that shit about swearing actually made me cringe. You really think you sound cooler than these people when you swear? And why would that even be an issue? Pretty lame.

[TurdBerglar]

the british should just stick to copying our rock...

[Lex Diamonds]

That's rich. England has given so much more to rock music than America over the years.

But that's a different thread.

[TurdBerglar]

what? i agree

that's why im saying they should just keep to copying our rock!

[Lex Diamonds]

It's not copying if you take something to another level and do it better than the original. That's developing or evolving it.

[TurdBerglar]

nah

im not knocking british rock


but there's not much british about classic british rock

[Miho]

Completely unrelated to UK hip-hop, my favorite australian rapper is an underground rapper called The Ranger. It's because of his accent that is why I like his music. The dialect sounds good to me.

Padster, get on MSN so I can show you some of his tracks.

[mickill]

Yeah, Brits have always just taken bits and pieces of different kinds of American music to form their own sounds when it comes to their own Rock. And if they weren't borrowing from Americans, they borrowed from Jamaican and Latin music. There's a few exceptions, bands that remained distinctly British throughout (namely The Kinks, The Pistols, The Smiths and the groups they spawned), but for the most part, British Rock has always been very influenced by American music.

On the topic of the thread: I can't even give very much Canadian rap a chance, let alone UK rap. Part of it's got to do with accents, but mostly, I just don't like it. It generally sucks. I mean, I'm trying hard to understand how people can even listen to Asher Roth. And he's from Philly or some shit.

Slick Rick kinda counts, though. And he's legendary. So you have that, British people.

It's like, I wouldn't want to see people doing Shakespeare with American accents. At least Mick Jagger and Robert Plant had the decency to tone down their English accents before they attempted their bluesier stuff. But yeah, sometimes the accents work in their favor. But for rap, it just sounds neyuhhh.

[Miho]

Young MC and MF Doom were british-born, as well.

[mickill]

Yeah, well, I'd hardly be proud of the Young MC thing. I believe Doom was like 3 when he move to the States. Even Slick Rick was like 12, so even he barely counts. I'm just trying to throw the Brits a bone here.

[Miho]

Eh, I think Young MC is underrated as a lyricist. I mean, yeah, most of his songs are party tracks, but he did a particular song called "Crucial" about 9/11, and it was some good shit. And I wish it was up on YouTube, as I would've linked to it, but alas.

[Lex Diamonds]

From the sounds of it Mike you don't really know enough about it to actually criticise it.

Also, where did so-called "American" music come from if not Africa, the Caribbean and Europe?

[TurdBerglar]

im sure nubian princes play the blues...

[mickill]

I don't know enough about it because it doesn't appeal to me. The same way I don't know enough about sex with dudes. Because I don't want to give it a chance. Because, from what I've seen and heard, it doesn't appeal to me.

You can say that all rhythm-based music derived from Africa. But Jazz, Blues, Rap etc are all distinctly American. That's got nothing to do with British artists emulating American music that already existed. Most, if not all, early influential British rock groups started out covering American songs.

[mathcart]

From the sounds of it Mike you don't really know enough about it to actually criticise it.

Also, where did so-called "American" music come from if not Africa, the Caribbean and Europe?

A) American music obviously comes from America (duh)

B) Your young so your ignorance on the subject is forgivable I guess but "American music" (i.e. Blues, Jazz, R&B, rock & roll) are in fact uniquely American. Its actually unbelievable to suggest otherwise, unless of course being completely dismissed as ignorant is your goal. If that's in fact your plan- well done.

C) You spelled criticize wrong.

I don't usually read padster threads because the ignorance makes me mad so I should say I have only read the last few posts and maybe there's a reasoned argument before this, but I doubt it. No actual disrespect to padster meant here- I'm sure I said equally stupid things when I was 18 if not worse- I just don't like reliving it.

As for UK hip-hop I have not generally been a fan but there are obviously some interesting exceptions.

The world hip-hop movement I do find fascinating though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t5l31IVkC4

I'm just less and less interested in the same old stale narrative in most western hip-hop and UK hip-hop for the most part I find so incredibly derivative of the worst bits of 90's hip-hop that its almost unlistenable.
Anyway my 2cents

[checkyourprez]

slick rick is the example uk rappers should follow. hes just got that pimp flow and story telling about him almost unmatched in the game. hes doesnt try to sound like some hard ass gangster. brits just cant pull it off.





its like football (soccer), england invented the shit. but the Brazilians and Italians took it to new levels you know what im saying. they did it their own way and they did it better.


thats the way uk rappers need to look at rap.

[Gareth]

anyone remember these? UK people probably will...

artful dodger and craig david - rewind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owKkSxGT8Ng&feature=related
mj cole - crazy love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ZNfDIZPbU
187 lockdown - kung fu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCcdmQBSm0&feature=related
oxide and neutrino - bound for the reload: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ-27rdwJPs

i remember going to a zed bias gig ages ago.

[Gareth]

skibadee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C1D7YQS5o0

[Dorothy Wood]

ps
DW that shit about swearing actually made me cringe. You really think you sound cooler than these people when you swear? And why would that even be an issue? Pretty lame.

no, I'm not saying I sound cooler. I'm saying I sound more natural. more natural than enunciating "fuck" so it soundS like "FOCK"

[Gareth]

i know a guy here who has a BOY BETTER KNOW t-shirt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n_KY9vnshE

[funk63]

From the sounds of it Mike you don't really know enough about it to actually criticise it.

Also, where did so-called "American" music come from if not Africa, the Caribbean and Europe?

Planet Rhymeon.

[Audio.]

I'd rather listen to ice flow no where to go ice flow no where to go lost in the blinding whiteness of the tundra - I'm little Johnny Frostbite movin' around freezin' you up freezin' you down like an icicle Comin' in your tent like a cold night scissor bite. Arctic death. Infinite night. They call me tundra boy because I move like an arctic lizard. When the Blizzard strikes I disappear like a pipe dream All that's left is the gleam of a tent peg. Boosh, Boosh, Stronger than a moose don't lock your doors or we'll come through your roof top. Stop look around take your mind off the floor because The Boosh is loose and we're a little bit RAW!

Ice, flow, nowhere to go
Ice, flow, nowhere to go
Lost in the blinding whiteness of the tundraaaaaaa!

you get my drift.

[Audio.]

nah for real though I may have heard some really good rappers before from the UK but this was way back then since I dunno since The Street got popular that should give you an idea since when. Its just hard to find anyone good beyond the the mother land of hip-hop since well... we are living in it you know? Hey, for me anyone who raps like crap in the UK is better than those in reggaeton. Fuck I hate that type of music.

[Planetary]

thats the way uk rappers need to look at rap.

the english play football the way it's supposed to be played (i.e. not being a bitchy little wiener)

edit: what music you like is a matter of preference. i think everyone's being too dismissive toward uk rap music personally, but
each to thier own

[Lex Diamonds]

no, I'm not saying I sound cooler. I'm saying I sound more natural. more natural than enunciating "fuck" so it soundS like "FOCK"
We invented the fockin language you stupid cahnt.

[Adam]

We invented the fockin language you stupid cahnt.

I think you have Scandinavia to blame for the english language. So maybe they invented rock'n'roll.

[camo]

Who gives a shit where it comes from? Everyone's eating from the same table but just from different plates.

Kool Herc was born in Jamaica too.

[Lex Diamonds]

I know, I just find it frustrating how people will come up with a load of shitty excuses not to listen to it when there's a lot of great music to be discovered.

Sometimes this board seems pretty cultured, but right now it seems full of phillistines.

[Adam]

dude, you can't hate for personal preferences. There is different cultures, races, generations on this board - we can all get along but it doesn't mean we all like the same things.

[Helvete]

Okay, fuck all your shit.

THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT8m3w9j8Y0) is good UK hip-hop.

[Lex Diamonds]

I posted some Akala. He's good yeah, one of the more obvious ones like Dizzee.

[Lyman Zerga]

no more akon in this thread



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlTfyLLQg7k

austrian hip hop is the only way to go

[Lex Diamonds]

A) American music obviously comes from America (duh)

B) Your young so your ignorance on the subject is forgivable I guess but "American music" (i.e. Blues, Jazz, R&B, rock & roll) are in fact uniquely American. Its actually unbelievable to suggest otherwise, unless of course being completely dismissed as ignorant is your goal. If that's in fact your plan- well done.

C) You spelled criticize wrong.

I don't usually read padster threads because the ignorance makes me mad so I should say I have only read the last few posts and maybe there's a reasoned argument before this, but I doubt it. No actual disrespect to padster meant here- I'm sure I said equally stupid things when I was 18 if not worse- I just don't like reliving it.

As for UK hip-hop I have not generally been a fan but there are obviously some interesting exceptions.

The world hip-hop movement I do find fascinating though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t5l31IVkC4

I'm just less and less interested in the same old stale narrative in most western hip-hop and UK hip-hop for the most part I find so incredibly derivative of the worst bits of 90's hip-hop that its almost unlistenable.
Anyway my 2cents
Believe me, I know about the history of blues, rock, etc. I love music in all its forms, and always have. There is a lot of ignorance in this thread but it's not coming from me. It's ironic how you say you have only read the last few posts, that sounds like complete wilful ignorance to me.

[checkyourprez]

the english play football the way it's supposed to be played (i.e. not being a bitchy little wiener)

edit: what music you like is a matter of preference. i think everyone's being too dismissive toward uk rap music personally, but
each to thier own

yea its just the whole winning thing that has escaped them recently...:rolleyes:

[mathcart]

Believe me, I know about the history of blues, rock, etc. I love music in all its forms, and always have. There is a lot of ignorance in this thread but it's not coming from me. It's ironic how you say you have only read the last few posts, that sounds like complete wilful ignorance to me.

This thread is pretty long...
but I'm pretty sure I got the point from the last few posts. I was just reacting to your dismissiveness of the history of (American) music, and you can say to believe you all you want, but you did just a few posts ago show your own willful ignorance on the origin of modern music.

btw I think I was coming off a bit too dickish above- we can like whatever we want and still not be assholes to one another about it. Its not personal- I don't know you and don't dislike you I just didn't like the ideas you chose to represent here. I'm sure there is good stuff coming out of the UK but frankly im not that interested in the stuff I've heard at the moment.

[Planetary]

yea its just the whole winning thing that has escaped them recently...:rolleyes:

so?

[checkyourprez]

so?

so what?

[Lex Diamonds]

This thread is pretty long...
but I'm pretty sure I got the point from the last few posts. I was just reacting to your dismissiveness of the history of (American) music, and you can say to believe you all you want, but you did just a few posts ago show your own willful ignorance on the origin of modern music.
Yeah, I said that was for another thread but people wanted to carry it on. We can talk about American music all day long if you want to start another thread but I'm just trying to understand why people are so keen to dismiss UK hip-hop when it's got so much to offer. At the moment it's in a much better shape than US hip-hop, that's a fact.

[Planetary]

so what?

so what who?

[ET]

At the moment it's in a much better shape than US hip-hop, that's a fact.

That is a bold statement, my friend. Better shape than well known US acts? You might have a point there.

[Guy Incognito]

call me an old fart but i reckon the british scene is more in line with the roots of hip hop than the us at the minute. Its more homemade, DIY stuff with its heart in a righter place than most of the shit i hear from us acts at the mo.

[checkyourprez]

participants in the special Olympics hearts are in the right place too you know what im saying there guy.

[Lex Diamonds]

call me an old fart but i reckon the british scene is more in line with the roots of hip hop than the us at the minute. Its more homemade, DIY stuff with its heart in a righter place than most of the shit i hear from us acts at the mo.
This is the generally accepted consensus. Not just from UK heads either, even taking the entire US underground scene into account (once you've sifted through the thousands of mixtapes/albums of bullshit that it's packed with) it can't really even compete with the East London scene alone- which is within like a 3 mile radius. Think about it.

[mickill]

Japanese, German and Russian hip hop is also more in line with the roots, but it doesn't make it more appealing to me.

But admittedly, I've heard a lot of French rap that's sounded really good to me. But I can't understand what they're saying so I'm just like, oh shit, dude's really flowing.

[checkyourprez]

yea the french language allows for a nice rap flow.

one french dude is on the first jazzmatazz with guru. it sounds good.


i could really give a shit what their saying as long as it sounds good. hence the problem with british rap again. most of it just doesnt sound right. to americans at least. brits are used to their own accents so its not really a problem to them.

[Adam]

re: checkyourprez

When I see american style UK shows - the british accent seems wrong to me

When I hear american style music - the british accent seems wrong to me

I'm obviously conditioned with popular culture that I am used to of who done has what in the past and its engrained into me what does and doesn't work (for me). So even though I obviously hear more british accents on TV, radio and irl - I forget my point. But yeah - I really don't get British rap.

[mickill]

I'm obviously conditioned with popular culture that I am used to of who done has what in the past and its engrained into me what does and doesn't work (for me).

I don't mean this in an offensive way, but that doesn't make any sense at all. Like, at all. Like seriously, none.

[Lex Diamonds]

I can see what he's trying to say but it doesn't really make sense. UK hip-hop is just as old as US hip-hop, ask Zulu Nation.

[Adam]

I don't mean this in an offensive way, but that doesn't make any sense at all. Like, at all. Like seriously, none.

I know you didn't mean any offence. I'm on the side of UK Hip Hop doesn't sound right for me.

And yeah, wtf am I on about?

[Lex Diamonds]

Maybe in future keep your opinions to yourself if you don't even understand what they mean?

Just a tip to stop you looking like a hapless me-too. (y)

[Adam]

Maybe in future keep your opinions to yourself if you don't even understand what they mean?

Just a tip to stop you looking like a hapless me-too. (y)

NEVAH! I don't read my posts back much - I should do more. But for 9 and half years I've been on this board you must know I'll never keep my opinions to myself no matter how retarded or confusing. Much like yourself - carry on.

[Lex Diamonds]

Well maybe I don't want to carry on. Now you've called me retarded and confusing, I'm quite hurt.

Look at these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V-Xtiapb2k&fmt=18
Cool video, shows love to American culture while being unmistakeably English

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g689GT1Z6W4&fmt=18
More Plan B. This dude plays guitar, sings and raps. This guy's gotta be one of the most multi-talented people in music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRzu9AHHumo&fmt=18
Skinnyman

[camo]

Yeah Skinnyman (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

Innit, nuff said.

[thegoodmrbrodie!]

from my comfortable berkshire sofa, uk hiphop seems to be totally irrelevant now.

this kind of stuff is the funtimes. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg8Ij0PlMDA

[Lex Diamonds]

Artists like Akala, Foreign Beggars and Lethal Bizzle (his recent political shit) are anything but irrelevant.

[Guy Incognito]

yea the french language allows for a nice rap flow.

one french dude is on the first jazzmatazz with guru. it sounds good.


.

mc solaar (y) he's done loads - got a really nice voice and i havent got a clue what he's on about

This is the generally accepted consensus. Not just from UK heads either, even taking the entire US underground scene into account (once you've sifted through the thousands of mixtapes/albums of bullshit that it's packed with) it can't really even compete with the East London scene alone- which is within like a 3 mile radius. Think about it.

its not even that really, its more that the commercial us stuff and the way its marketed and well presented and chucked down kids throats with guest stars and big ass producers. i just wish they would hype someone with talent and rhymes and beats who is ugly as fuck and works alone and is succesful on their tunes alone.
all i know about the uk scene is a damn sight healthier than when i was a teenager still getting into music and THIS awfulness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZv0P6h1agw)was about the pinnacle of uk hip hop ( i know other stuff existed but to a spotty young git watching TOTP, this was pretty much it for uk hip hop)

[Guy Incognito]

the first comment was a joke man. all i was sayin was i thought it was garage. plus TALs music thing proved me right.

i cant be arsed with this anymore its daft

i only just seen this (2 days later!) this thread got hge and i musta missed it- you were right, TAL was right and i was in a bad mood. soz

[mathcart]

Look at these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V-Xtiapb2k&fmt=18
Cool video, shows love to American culture while being unmistakeably English

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g689GT1Z6W4&fmt=18
More Plan B. This dude plays guitar, sings and raps. This guy's gotta be one of the most multi-talented people in music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRzu9AHHumo&fmt=18
Skinnyman

Look, I agree they're all interesting in some respects- awesome samples in the Chase one, Skinnyman had a hot flow, but real reminiscent of Em and Plan B was pretty cool, but Clef's been strumming along with his verses for over a decade- just saying people have been doing this for a while!

Its all good but to my ears none of it is game changing in its originality, in fact they all just seemed filled with cliche' braggadocio. Even though you are expressing yourself through absolutely absurd hyperbole, I don't actually disagree with your premises- there's good hip-hop being made outside America (especially in the UK).

But as I said before my big complaint with it is that ultimately it isn't maturing the culture- just keeping it stuck where its been for the past 15 years or so- though slickly, admittedly. I guess I just need shit I consider next level to do more than sound cool. Shit I can't stand Jay-Z but I'll be the first to admit Brooklyn we go hard may be the best sample I've heard this decade.

***************************

By the way my favorite part of those videos is that the one guy playing poker in the Chase video "loses" to the other guy who has 4 aces despite the fact that he has the winning hand- straight flush! Shit like that doesn't go a long way to proving that UK rap is on par with the rest of the world!

:cool:

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah, I think they just did that for visual effect. A slightly higher straight flush wouldn't have looked as cool.

Replying to the thing about lyrical content, did you not check the other Plan B video I posted? Or the Example one? I just posted those braggadocio ones because they are the easiest to listen to for a newcomer, they're not necessarily representative of the scene as a whole.

And in response to the shit you said comparing them to older American artists- there's no doubt the US hip-hop scene has been great in the past, I never disputed that. I'm just saying that all these people are here, now, whereas you have to look back 10 or 15 years to find people that can compare in the US. At this moment in time the UK game is in much better shape, that's all I'm saying. People who enjoy good hip-hop should check it out.

[camo]

Just want to point out that the accents of UK rappers do not start and finish in London. One of my fave's comes from oop north.

Kid Acne.

Here (http://www.myspace.com/kidacne123)


Here (http://www.kidacne.com/blog/)

[Lex Diamonds]

bigsy got me onto akala last year. so i downloaded his album. while we were listening to it, and it got to a song where he sung in it. as soon as he started to sing, bigsy and i just looked at each other and pissed ourselves!

akala is good as a rapper, but he can't sing to save his life.
Funny you should say that, one of my favourite songs of his features his semi-singing (he never does full singing). He's no Al Green, but I think he pulls it off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOezOAICbxI&fmt=18

[Randetica]

so on which english hip hop wagon should i bet my money on?

on the east or on the west side?

[Myu-to]

*sheds a tear for all of the British hip-hop artist that are not getting respect in states*

[Lex Diamonds]

*sheds a tear for US hip-hop*

[checkyourprez]

*sheds a tear for US hip-hop*

*listens to new doom album and remembers even american hip hop not giving 100%, still owns*

[Lex Diamonds]

Doom is like 20 years deep already, it's time to let go and find someone new.

[checkyourprez]

Doom is like 20 years deep already, it's time to let go and find someone new.

true. but im not the biggest kmd fan, so its really only about 10 years deep to me.


and the same argument you proposed can be applied for trying to get one to like young jeezy.


i respect your plight, you dont want people to be closed minded about something. i have tried about a lot of stuff mentioned in this thread, its just not all mostly to my liking. who knows, maybe with time.

[Lex Diamonds]

and the same argument you proposed can be applied for trying to get one to like young jeezy.
On the contrary, people like Young Jeezy are the basis for my argument. He has sold millions in the US, showing that the game over there has become saturated with shit and generally stagnant. For a hip-hop artist to get any shine over here they need to be genuinely talented and break people's preconceptions, as there is little to no urban music industry here.

[camo]

I think that we're both as jacked as one another. The US made Flo Rida and we put the cunt at number one!

How is a prick like that getting shine over here whilst our home grown talents have to make disco songs with Calvin Harris just to get up there?

[Echewta]

K L F, uh huh uh. uh huh uh huh.

beep boop

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beep poop

boop beeep

[Knuckles]

K L F, uh huh uh. uh huh uh huh.

beep boop

boop beeep

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beep poop

boop beeep

They're justified and they're ancient.

That's a winning combo. (y)

[checkyourprez]

i think i've figured it out.

i was just watching the fox soccer report and john terry was being interviewed. english, when spoken by englishmen just sounds so proper. so when english rappers are swearing and trying to act hard it sounds funny, because the accent makes them sound so proper.


thats why i dont mind dudes like the streets or one of those initial videos you put up because they are just going about their craft in a way that sounds natural.


i dont even like dmxs later albums because i feel hes "forcing the hardness." so when i hear that proper sound accent trying to fake the funk, it just really doesn't do it for me.

[funk63]

I've just been kind of reading this shit and lauging at how butchered hip hop lingo sounds in an english accent. No one fucking listens to UK hip hop over here.

[b i o n i c]

i find it amusing that people who so often talk shit about america try so hard to adopt american culture.

the best british hip hop is the kind that samples the beatles.

[Kid Presentable]

M.C Teabagz and DJ Crumpet (http://www.eatadick.com)

[Videodrome]

i dont even like dmxs later albums because i feel hes "forcing the hardness." ok, i wasn't going to reply to this thread because i honestly could give a fuck less about british hip hop, that is, until i saw this response. i understand that you're entitled to your opinion and all that but really? i haven't actually listened to dmx since flesh of my flesh BUT dude can't even come close to "forcing the hardness." dmx is the true definition of a gangster/crack head. he is the poster child for "the struggle"; he has even gone as far as to impersonate an fbi agent or whatever the fuck he was doing. what could he possibly be saying that is fake? we're talking about a dude who spit flows with his jaw wired shut and snapped that shit just to get a deal. a dude who gets busted buying "$10 green and $20 powder." you can never shit on his credentials. he is so motherfucking hood. he is as fucked up as amy winehouse and pete doherty except when he talks about killing somebody on a record you almost wouldn't put it past him. you better hope he never sees your post, he gets on the net and shit.

[checkyourprez]

ok, i wasn't going to reply to this thread because i honestly could give a fuck less about british hip hop, that is, until i saw this response. i understand that you're entitled to your opinion and all that but really? i haven't actually listened to dmx since flesh of my flesh BUT dude can't even come close to "forcing the hardness." dmx is the true definition of a gangster/crack head. he is the poster child for "the struggle"; he has even gone as far as to impersonate an fbi agent or whatever the fuck he was doing. what could he possibly be saying that is fake? we're talking about a dude who spit flows with his jaw wired shut and snapped that shit just to get a deal. a dude who gets busted buying "$10 green and $20 powder." you can never shit on his credentials. he is so motherfucking hood. he is as fucked up as amy winehouse and pete doherty except when he talks about killing somebody on a record you almost wouldn't put it past him. you better hope he never sees your post, he gets on the net and shit.


i dont mean to imply hes "faking the funk".

what i meant when i used the dmx comparison was if you listen to his voice on flesh of my flesh, it sounds natural. if you listen to it on later albums;and maybe it was the crack frankly; but he sounds like hes trying extra hard to sound hard.

if that clarifies anything or you.

[Lex Diamonds]

SICK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcHVAh43umM&fmt=18

[b i o n i c]

RITZ NABISKO (http://www.myspace.com/50315640) ... nuff sed :P